signed biante cars [Archive] - Biante Model Cars - Australian Diecast Collectors Forum

brchi17

04-12-2002, 04:39 PM

I think it depends on who is buying it.
If its' a collector buying it then very little above what you bought it for, but if it a bunny (check out sold.com.au to see some bunnies), they could pay you a small fortune.
People who are not passionate collectors, tend to find such an item a reariety (& pay silly prices for them), but in actual fact, its' simply not the case.
cheers.

diecastdude

04-12-2002, 06:07 PM

I would class it as a defaced non original model, as far as I'm concerened signing models does nothing more than deface the model and take away from its scale replica status, if these cars were originaly raced with a giant drivers signature on the bonet or roof then thats another story

BATHURSTFAN

04-12-2002, 06:16 PM

I would not get anyone to sign my models, I would rather get their signature on something else.

GTO_madness

04-12-2002, 06:31 PM

You two guys remind me of those finatic model car collectors that collect models for the sole purpose of letting them sit in their boxes in a spare room somewhere. Why not get models signed by the drivers? If you actually let them see the light of day that is.

BATHURSTFAN

04-12-2002, 06:35 PM

No, I'm not fanatical about my models. I just think it is defacing them by having somebody scrawl over them.

They look great just the way they are!!!

If I want autographs I'll get them to sign a book or something.

diecastdude

04-12-2002, 06:43 PM

Yep same here, all my models come straight out of their boxes and into the display cabinet but I want the models for what they were intended to be (replicas) and signed models are not the way they were raced or seen on the streets.

Aussiecollector

04-12-2002, 07:02 PM

I am afraid I can not agree, signed models will only increase there value, maybe not the 1/64th range but most likely the 1/18ths. Try and pay the same for a Ferrari model signed by MS as an unsigned model. I would like to see you say the seller its not worth it its defaced. Sure its not in its original form but is it not a collectable of the person driving the car and makes reasonable sense to have it signed.

Glenn

WESTY

04-12-2002, 07:18 PM

Auscollector has a point,
but I think the difference is over how ever many rounds it is, you can get any of the V8 drivers to sign anything, so at this stage it wont increase the price at all,
unless its someone who really wants that model and to have it signed as well would be a bonus.
F1 autographs arnt as easy to come by, thus making the demand
on items signed by any of the drivers more easier to get a higher price.
As for signing or not signing a model it dosnt bother me, I just couldnt be stuffed walking around a rece meeting with a box full of models trying to get them signed.

:D

Model cars dont you just love them !!

GTO_madness

04-12-2002, 08:25 PM

It's my understanding that its writen into the V8 drivers contracts that they have to be 'approachable' for autographs and a chat. But im sure due to the money involved in F1, the sponsors and managers really dont give a stuff about their drivers involvment with the 'public.'

But back to the point. Im sure that there are many model collectors that rarely get to see a V8supercar race. Take me for Example. Models are expensive items for the serious collector. If they can afford a plethera of models im sure they wont mind paying that little bit extra for the signature of their favourite driver on one of these outstanding models.

-Pille-

04-12-2002, 08:47 PM

I don't like it either when the cars are signed on the roof or bonnet - better have the sig on the box or stand the model is mounted on, or on the certificate etc.
And further... I wouldn't pay extra for a signed model - how can I be sure that the signature is real and not made by a forger looking for a quick buck? Most people are honest, but unfortunately not all. :(

brchi17

05-12-2002, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by GTO_madness
It's my understanding that its writen into the V8 drivers contracts that they have to be 'approachable' for autographs and a chat.

I wonder if Skaife & Perkins have this clause in their contracts ?

Have you ever tried to an autograph from these 2 over a race weekend ?

I have & its' almost impossible, even when i've tried on a Friday before a race weekend in the paddock, they have seemed to be the hardest ones to get.

Just my expirence,
cheers.

V8SS

05-12-2002, 08:26 AM

I wanted to get my certificate signed by Russell Ingall at Indy but never saw any of the Castrol drivers available for autographs over the whole 4 days. Murph & Lowndes were always available. As for Skaife, I think he did one signing session on the Friday or Saturday. Speaking of Skaife, I managed to get to an HSV owners club function on the Thursday night of Indy where the HRT drivers were talking and doing a signing session. I managed to get my cap, certificate and poster signed by Skaife and then wanted my photo taken with him and Bright. My sister couldn't work the camera properly and after the 2nd attempt, they both sat down. I noticed the camera still hadn't worked so one of the other HRT officials grabbed my camera, Skaife & Bright had to stand again and happily posed for a 3rd time. The photo came out brilliant and they couldn't have been more approachable. This was at the end of a signing session where they signed everything you could imagine including someone who brought along their Gen III engine cover. These guys didn't show any sign of not wanting to be there or not being interested in the fans.

Grubby

05-12-2002, 08:40 AM

I had no problem getting Skaife to sign a couple of things at Sandown and even got a picture with him.

Grubby

brchi17

05-12-2002, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Grubby
I had no problem getting Skaife to sign a couple of things at Sandown and even got a picture with him.Grubby

I bet that was because the championship was over.
I've tried for the past 2 yrs at Phillip Island (to get Perkins & Skaifes autograph for my Holden supporting brother) & now I just wont bother. Murph on the other hand, an absolute legend, he gave us the time of day (this was after the insident with Bargs) & was quite happy to sign my poster for my bother !!!
cheers.

Oh Five

05-12-2002, 06:48 PM

I think it must depend on what time of the month it is.... At bathurst on the Friday, i cornered skaifey behind the garage to sign 2 items for me, he said Oh .... i've been signing all ....... morning.
On the saturday i got him in pit lane and he couldnt have been nicer, photo together, autographs.
The only driver who NEVER complains is "the kid".
Cheers.

wynncau

05-12-2002, 06:53 PM

I have sold a lot of models that I have had sighned, some by current drivers and some by past. I only get the certificates sighned as I agree the cars are made as an exact replica of the original and scribble on the roof defaces it. As for increasing its value it varies but generally it only adds $20-$30 to the value of the car. Hardly worth the mucking around.

brchi17

05-12-2002, 08:43 PM

hey Oh Five,
I've haven't driven over a ford lately, but your mate Ingall has crashed a commodore lately !!!!
cheers.

Oh Five

06-12-2002, 01:17 PM

brchi17, hopefully he will continue with that form next year!!!, Regards;)

brchi17

06-12-2002, 01:29 PM

Well at least he'll be in good form to follow the Ford policy of taking each other out when one has the chance of winning.
Gee it been a frustraiting year for us Ford/DJR supportors !!!

2003 things can only get better.

HRT 1-2

18-12-2003, 04:38 PM

OK, I've dredged up an old dusty thread here....

I was getting some photos signed at Calder this week a Todd, a Skaife and a '97 Brock/Skaife one. I got Mark to sign the '97 one first and he said he had to sign it "to someone" where the photo from this year he just signed.

It took me a while to work it out but then I thought maybe Brock is trying to control the memorabilia market by negating the resale of this stuff.

Anyone else seen or heard this?

Malik

18-12-2003, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Oh Five
brchi17, hopefully he will continue with that form next year!!!, Regards;)

yeah Im sure the stone brothers would love him to be out for 3 races if he does continue that form next year

:D.. so I agree.. I hope he continues the form !

zeitgeist

18-12-2003, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
I got Mark to sign the '97 one first and he said he had to sign it "to someone" where the photo from this year he just signed.

I think that's a splendid way to curtail profiteering. If someone is procuring an autograph because of their affinity for a driver, then this personal touch should be welcomed.

I have a number of CDs and albums that are signed by artists. I am happiest with those that have my name included.

A personally-addressed autograph should only bother someone looking to subsequently sell the item.

That said, I would never get a model signed. I'm with wynncau: limit it to the CoA or box.

Considering the amount of scrutiny given to decal placement, wheel camber and all sorts of other minutiae on these cars, I would think a big, black, scrawl across the bonnet or roof would be most unwelcome for most.

BC

BATHURSTFAN

19-12-2003, 05:21 AM

I would not buy a model with an autograph on it, as I prefer them as is.

Dingo

19-12-2003, 05:39 AM

Since I got one of those security markers from Biante with my most recent order, I got to thinking.... maybe you could get a driver to sign the car with that pen... that way it wouldn't show up unless you shone the purple light on it - instant security measure :)

wayno

19-12-2003, 06:10 AM

Just my opinion, but I am not interested in signatures on any models regardless of category. On the other hand I love it when my models come with signed certificates.
For things like F-1, if I want an autograph that badly, there usually plenty of other sorts of memorabillia (photos, prints, etc) around.

brchi17

19-12-2003, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by Oh Five
brchi17, hopefully he will continue with that form next year!!!, Regards

Originally posted by Malik
yeah Im sure the stone brothers would love him to be out for 3 races if he does continue that form next year

.... so I agree.. I hope he continues the form !

Thanks HRT1-2 for draging up such an old thread, it was quite funny to read over some of the old posts !!!

Malik the funny thing about this was that oh five's comments were made in December 2002 :D !!!

Isn't it funny how no matter much somethings change, sometimes they remain the same :D !!!

Ingall (or Bingall as some people call him) used to pass people in the old Holden by the giving them a bit of a love tap & now he's in a Ford nothing has really changed.

cheers.

HRT 1-2

19-12-2003, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by zeitgeist
I think that's a splendid way to curtail profiteering. If someone is procuring an autograph because of their affinity for a driver, then this personal touch should be welcomed.

I have a number of CDs and albums that are signed by artists. I am happiest with those that have my name included.

A personally-addressed autograph should only bother someone looking to subsequently sell the item.

That said, I would never get a model signed. I'm with wynncau: limit it to the CoA or box.

Considering the amount of scrutiny given to decal placement, wheel camber and all sorts of other minutiae on these cars, I would think a big, black, scrawl across the bonnet or roof would be most unwelcome for most.

BC

Totally agree with your thoughts Zeitgeist, if it is a way of curtailing profiteering, good on him, I was just amazed at the simplicity of it, I was only getting it signed to hang on the wall.

I am also with on the cars , I'd never get them signed. As someone said in this thread way back when it was started last year (mind you last December doesn't seem that long ago), you don't see the cars on the track with giant signatures on them!

HRT 1-2

19-12-2003, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by brchi17
Thanks HRT1-2 for draging up such an old thread, it was quite funny to read over some of the old posts !!!

Malik the funny thing about this was that oh five's comments were made in December 2002 !!!

Isn't it funny how no matter much somethings change, sometimes they remain the same !!!

Ingall (or Bingall as some people call him) used to pass people in the old Holden by the giving them a bit of a love tap & now he's in a Ford nothing has really changed.

cheers.

Sorry Malik, I did give it a subject of "Old thread Reborn" but, apart from the brand reversal the comments are still smack on, how bizarre, although it does bring to mind an old saying about â€œTigers & stripesâ€?:D

mic

19-12-2003, 09:00 AM

Every year in Melbourne GP I got my models signed by many drivers. Here are some pictures:

Early this year I asked Frentzen to sign an Arrows F1 model.. and he said "I'm not signing on this sh*t car, give me something else" !

He is one of the funniest F1 driver around.. one morning he came out from his hotel with a video camera, filming us (autograph hunters) and said "look all these crazy people.. waiting there all day.. I got to show this to my friends". :D

Malik

19-12-2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
Sorry Malik, I did give it a subject of "Old thread Reborn" but, apart from the brand reversal the comments are still smack on, how bizarre, although it does bring to mind an old saying about â€œTigers & stripesâ€?:D

comes from me disliking him regardless of what he drives...

20-12-2003, 08:57 AM

I also could not imagine having my cars signed. I beleive it detracts from the originality of the replica.
I have had a 1/18 model of the Mercedes 300SLR from the 1955 Mille Miglia signed by Sir Stirling Moss on the base and "Race legends" have one similar for sale at $199.00 American. Mine cost me $49.00 Aus.

20-12-2003, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Oh Five

The only driver who NEVER complains is "the kid".
Cheers.

I found Craig Lowndes to be the most friendliest. At the 1999 Clipsal I wanted to get a photo of him signing a program with my lad and when it came his turn Craig lifted the rope and said to him to climb under and I got a great photo.

HRT 1-2

20-12-2003, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by BB
I found Craig Lowndes to be the most friendliest. At the 1999 Clipsal I wanted to get a photo of him signing a program with my lad and when it came his turn Craig lifted the rope and said to him to climb under and I got a great photo.

Agree 100%, that and his ability mad it such a downer when he left the mighty reds. They can keep Bingall & Bargs, just give back Craig.........Please:D

brchi17

20-12-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
Agree 100%, that and his ability mad it such a downer when he left the mighty reds. They can keep Bingall & Bargs, just give back Craig.........Please

So you'd happy hearing the rumors about Craig returning back to the Lion's den then :D ???

The only problem is that he still has a few years to run on his FORD contract.

If I can find the rumor that I read I will post a link to it later.

cheers. :)

HRT 1-2

20-12-2003, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by brchi17
So you'd happy hearing the rumors about Craig returning back to the Lion's den then ???

The only problem is that he still has a few years to run on his FORD contract.

If I can find the rumor that I read I will post a link to it later.

cheers. :)

Oh you betcha, I would be over the moon if he came back! He, IMO, is the best out there, no one comes close to him on cold tyres and what a great guy.

I love rumours, should always be lots of rumours, particularly regarding this, more rumours I say:D

00lowndes

20-12-2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by brchi17
So you'd happy hearing the rumors about Craig returning back to the Lion's den then :D ???

The only problem is that he still has a few years to run on his FORD contract.

If I can find the rumor that I read I will post a link to it later.

cheers. :)

THE RUMORS ARE JUST THAT. ONLY RUMORS.
I SPOKE TO CRAIG HIMSELF AT EASTERN CREEK LAST MONTH AND ASKED HIM STRAIGHT UP AND HE SAID NO HE WAS NOT LEAVING FORD. HIS CONTRACTED TILL END OF 2006 AND THERE WAS NO WAY HE WAS LEAVING FOR TEAM BROCK NEXT YEAR.

Leigh

22-12-2003, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by 00lowndes
THE RUMORS ARE JUST THAT. ONLY RUMORS.
I SPOKE TO CRAIG HIMSELF AT EASTERN CREEK LAST MONTH AND ASKED HIM STRAIGHT UP AND HE SAID NO HE WAS NOT LEAVING FORD. HIS CONTRACTED TILL END OF 2006 AND THERE WAS NO WAY HE WAS LEAVING FOR TEAM BROCK NEXT YEAR.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN A THING!!!

I personally do not believe the rumours, but Craig would not be able to confirm the rumours EVEN IF THEY WERE TRUE...something called CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION...

Remember...Noske was denying any discussion with SBR until AFTER the media release saying he was driving for them at Bathurst was released...This rumour was around for more than 6 months!

Wilson denied he was leaving DJR as recently as Eastern Creek...

Ingall denied he was switching to Ford (although he is a poor lier)

etc etc etc

PS, by the way, turn your caps lock off...

Cheers

brchi17

22-12-2003, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by 00lowndes
THE RUMORS ARE JUST THAT. ONLY RUMORS.
I SPOKE TO CRAIG HIMSELF AT EASTERN CREEK LAST MONTH AND ASKED HIM STRAIGHT UP AND HE SAID NO HE WAS NOT LEAVING FORD. HIS CONTRACTED TILL END OF 2006 AND THERE WAS NO WAY HE WAS LEAVING FOR TEAM BROCK NEXT YEAR.

G'day 00Lowndes, you may not know this but writing in upper case in a forum is considered shouting. If you do know this then it not necessary to get a point across.

I know we can get very pashionate when our fav team/drivers are bing talked about (i know how frustraited I've got about hearing the shear volume of DJR rumors in the past 18 months), but as i said earlier it was just a rumor that I had heard - no malis intened & I hope none taken.

Leigh has once again sumed it up perfrectly with his post (which appears before this one) & I too hope they are not true as it would be good to see CL win in a Ford.

cheers. :)

Malik

22-12-2003, 10:49 PM