C.O.A Signatures

[Damage]

I've noticed with the Brock 1978 that there seems to be two types of signatures on the COA's.

ie there are the ones that look like the rest of my signed stuff and some that like they were commissioned and done by someone else. That is the 'B' looks wrong, the sig is level and the proportions are wrong. Anybody know about some COA's being outsourced?

[VXfan]

I thought it waas common knowledge that Bev Brock used to sign some of the COA's?
Cheers,
Tony.

[Damage]

Is that right VX? I did't know that.

[VXfan]

I've heard it mentioned heaps of times in the past couple of years from different sources.Can't imagine they're all lying.
Cheers,
Tony.

[spoonster05]

I know when I did work experience at the Brock factory in the late 80's I signed a few promo cards and the like so wouldn't suprise me if some are not signed by the person in question

Same thing happens a lot with the autographed TV/Movie star photo cards, a lot of the times their personal assistant or the tv networks PR team autograph the pics

[minh427]

Do drivers actually sit down and sign thousands of certificates?

[Road Runner 72]

Here you got, this might help as this was talked about before.

http://forums.biante.com.au/showthread.php?t=5078&highlight=brock+Signatures

Cheers

Mike

[CowboyMatt]

I thought it waas common knowledge that Bev Brock used to sign some of the COA's?
Cheers,
Tony.


If that's the case then I'd throw it out.

[Damage]

RR, my signed stuff (in person and purchased) is, of course, the same as yours. Some 78 A9X COAs, however, are all wrong (loops, slant, stroke etc). Some people don't care. I know I do.

[Damage]

Some examples are on feeBay at the mmoment.

[karromar]

If that's the case then I'd throw it out.

What if it was actually Ridgy Didg, Would one take that chance?? :uhoh2:

[Damage]

No, I think that most people with a passing interest in PB would be able to tell the difference.

Having said that, have a look at this:

Search - RED & SILVER HOLDEN CAP SIGNED

on feeBay which is plainly a fake. Its got bids though.

[Road Runner 72]

RR, my signed stuff (in person and purchased) is, of course, the same as yours. Some 78 A9X COAs, however, are all wrong (loops, slant, stroke etc). Some people don't care. I know I do.

I know what your saying as my other 78 siggy is different.

[whitlam]

No, I think that most people with a passing interest in PB would be able to tell the difference.

Having said that, have a look at this:

Search - RED & SILVER HOLDEN CAP SIGNED

on feeBay which is plainly a fake. Its got bids though.


I don't know how anybody could bid on THAT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/RED-SILVER-HOLDEN-CAP-SIGNED-BY-PETER-BROCK-NEAR-NEW_W0QQitemZ120217528335QQihZ002QQcategoryZ141585 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

That's disgraceful :mad:

[Damage]

I know. That really is sad. I went to the bottom of the listing and hit report and went through the motions. Nothing has happened though.

[Hey Charger]

Actually through all this & previous Q's raised on this matter, I would have thought Biante to have stepped in & made a statement than let this matter raise its head every so often. These COA's are essential to the models value & what differentiates it from the competition.

Cheers

[1370]

Ah the do-you-collect-cardboard or do-you-collect-models debate!

I don't mind them, but I don't like the fact that they are used as an excuse to up the RRP which in turn lowers the number of models that I can buy.

[Hey Charger]

Ah the do-you-collect-cardboard or do-you-collect-models debate!

I don't mind them, but I don't like the fact that they are used as an excuse to up the RRP which in turn lowers the number of models that I can buy.

Huh? What about the models, road cars or race cars, that don't have any form of signature that are now twice or 3 times their original retail value?

The point I was trying to make was that if a company was differentiating their product by having the drivers sign the certificates to give some authenticity, collectability, special appeal etc then you would want to say that they're genuine & nip the speculation in the butt otherwise if this keeps on going why bother with having signatures at the end.

Cheers

[1370]

I guess you answered that question with your observation in the first line.

At the end of the day, the scribble on the cardboard doesn't mean much...

[A9L]

Do drivers actually sit down and sign thousands of certificates?

Yes Brocky did! For anyone thats not sure, they should watch 25 years of HDT (i think its that one ) he is at a table signing away Biante certificate's while they are filming and they ask him about it! its worth a watch anyway.

I have had many items signed by him and over the years with many variations of sigys, and I have been standing there so they are definitely real!

[inter]

just for your information. if you purchased all the unsigned biante 1:18 collection it would have costed Aprox $32,000 and it would be worth now aporx $22,300 ( about 30% drop)

if you purchased the signed models it would have costed you aprox $12,900 and now it is worth aprox $22,000 ( so nearly double your $)


cheers

[CowboyMatt]

Do drivers actually sit down and sign thousands of certificates?

As far as I am aware Biante pay the drivers a royalty for the COA's so they would have to sign them - notwithstanding the earlier comments about what the former partner of the late P.Brock may or may not have done.

[commanderwhite]

I have all of my COA's signed by the legend including the A9X's & they all look the same to me & I have lots of Pete's stuff on my Brock Bar.

I have a Monaro Cap signed by Peter about a fortnight after his NT kart crash & he was obviously still stiff & sore & his signature is different than the rest of my stuff but it WAS signed by the legend then again NOTHING of my stuff will ever be for sale - I didn't collect it just to sell - I collected it to savour.

[Leigh]

Who signed them we shall probably never know...even if PB was still alive...

That said, I have not seen a signature of PB's on a certificate that doesn't look like one of the ones I have collected over the years...last time this topic came up I posted pictures of various signatures that I know are ridgy didge cause I was standing there when he signed them...

I challenge anybody to sign millions of things over 40-50 years and have every signature identical! Sometimes I think that is what people are asking!!!

[1370]

just for your information. if you purchased all the unsigned biante 1:18 collection it would have costed Aprox $32,000 and it would be worth now aporx $22,300 ( about 30% drop)

if you purchased the signed models it would have costed you aprox $12,900 and now it is worth aprox $22,000 ( so nearly double your $)


cheers

You can't really do such a comparison Inter. Just because some of the more "desirable" models come with signatures does not mean that the price rise was due to the signature alone. I bet you could sign a Biante Premium XR8 model and it would still only sell for $30... I will be looking quite keenly at the price of the 1984 Brock cars when they come out. I'm sure that the lack of signature will have no impact on its future price.

[whitlam]

You can't really do such a comparison Inter. Just because some of the more "desirable" models come with signatures does not mean that the price rise was due to the signature alone. I bet you could sign a Biante Premium XR8 model and it would still only sell for $30... I will be looking quite keenly at the price of the 1984 Brock cars when they come out. I'm sure that the lack of signature will have no impact on its future price.

but the 20,000+ examples of it, that are to be released, might :rolleyes:

[Damage]

It is really only the 78's that I have seen with the two types of signature. Definately two types, not PB on a bad day.

[monarocveightz]

Who signed them we shall probably never know...even if PB was still alive...

That said, I have not seen a signature of PB's on a certificate that doesn't look like one of the ones I have collected over the years...last time this topic came up I posted pictures of various signatures that I know are ridgy didge cause I was standing there when he signed them...

I challenge anybody to sign millions of things over 40-50 years and have every signature identical! Sometimes I think that is what people are asking!!!

Exactly Leigh....I agree with all of your post......I've got a sig from PB on a poster that was signed as PETER BROK......without the C......and I know it's real, as I saw him sign it.

[Damage]

Of course having them all EXACTLY the same is impossible but the difference is plain to see, even to a fool, on about 50% of the 78 A9X COA's that I have seen.

[minh427]

True, i had R.Kelly sign a 1/18 car and the backing card of the 1/64 box and they were both different.

[Graeme]

Let me assure everyone that hand-signed Certificates are sourced from the nominated individuals themselves ... if there is any 'outsourcing' then Biante is not aware of it.

I too have heard the Bev Brock story, but I can honestly say I don't know whether there is any merit to it.

I can say that some signatories are more efficient in getting the task done than others ... some get the job done super-fast, possibly because the calculator sitting on their desk can reveal what a great hourly rate you can earn from this task !

[Hey Charger]

Let me assure everyone that hand-signed Certificates are sourced from the nominated individuals themselves ... if there is any 'outsourcing' then Biante is not aware of it.

I too have heard the Bev Brock story, but I can honestly say I don't know whether there is any merit to it.

I can say that some signatories are more efficient in getting the task done than others ... some get the job done super-fast, possibly because the calculator sitting on their desk can reveal what a great hourly rate you can earn from this task !


Graeme,

Thanks for taking the time in responding to this

Cheers

[Damage]

Also some of the Sierras too, case in point:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1-18-PETER-BROCK-SIERRA-RS500_W0QQitemZ160207536636QQihZ006QQcategoryZ2715 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[hobby]

A couple of PB signatures that i have,
compare these.

Here is a link to an image i took on the weekend after Bathurst,
The poster was signed in January 2006 when Peter was in Perth for Trevor Youngs funeral.
the model was signed at the start of Targa West September 8th 2006.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26870375@N04/40001664 73/

[singer]

IIRC many years ago during a TV interview Bev Brock said that 'at times because of the immense pressures on Peter, sometimes I do sign items for Peter'

I don't think that my memory is that bad

[My Element]

http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab82/modelsinc0 5/P9140003.jpg
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab82/modelsinc0 5/P9140004.jpg

[Murphy_51]

Both the above look like peter brock's signature, you can pick a peter brock aka bev signature out easy as its very different