CC Member Only PHASE 4

[GTHO Racers]

Hi all,

What is the general opinion on the limited edition members only items as far as collectability and desirability goes?

At this stage my small collection consists of Biante only models but this one from CC has got my attention. I don't plan on selling any of my MOFFAT and GTHO memorabilia but I would hate too let this one pass and see them skyrocket in value.

Does anyone know what they cost new and are they attached to the plaque or just seated on it?

Cheers
Ken

[zeitgeist]

Hi all,

Does anyone know what they cost new and are they attached to the plaque or just seated on it?

Cheers
Ken

From what I've seen, the cars are not attached. I remember at least one person flogging the plaque for the Efijy (sans car).

I've nothing against the CC cars, as I own the Efijy and a pre-ordered a Phase IV, but I haven't a clue as to why these member versions are commanding such high prices.

BC

[GTHO Racers]

Thanks for your reply BC,

I was thinking of the members only model as being very different from the others. When it actually is the same model placed on a plaque containing two signatures. So any money paid over the cost of the model is basically what you think the plaque is worth.

Cheers
Ken

[Graeme]

Ken,

I'm curious to know what or whom the two plaque signatures represent ?

[brchi17]

I'm curious to know what or whom the two plaque signatures represent ?

it was signed by John Wynne (whom on the order form it said he was one of the team from Ford at the time who build the Phase IV) & David Bowden (current owner of the vehicle in question)

[monarocveightz]

Ken,

I'm curious to know what or whom the two plaque signatures represent ?


I think the sig's are of the person who rebuilt it and the owner......which would have no interest to me.

Hence why I'm getting the standard release

Edit:Once again, I'm too slow

[singer]

Ken,

I'm curious to know what or whom the two plaque signatures represent ?

On Efigy, its the Designer of the Car with a brief outline of what he was trying to achieve.

BTW, you don't pay anymore for a Members Car than you would for a Regular 1:18 CC
:)

[Graeme]

Thanks Brad,

Yes, I am familiar with John Wynne ... he was the principal mechanic involved in the preparation and sorting of the FSV XA Falcon GT sedans, ie the three Brambles Red GTs that are referred to by most people as the Phase IV touring cars.

[ferrari fan]

well here is a picture from one on Ebay.
Volkwagen front end and rear wheel rather ahemm, all together a "trainwreck", just my oppinion.
As good as they get the BA/F race Fords, they as yet have not brought out one "classic" in a half decent way.
I'll wait for the BIANTE version, and Alan Moffat will sing the certificates.
Read ; It is only my oppinion and I am (still) entittled to it so keep it non personal, please.

[ferrari fan]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc302/jamathi05/ 5e51_12.jpg

[wayno]

The rear wheel in that photo is so far out of place it looks like the model has been damaged!

[fomoco04]

You can't knock their quality and finish but their accuracy is down right abysmal. XYs and now the XAs for example.

[brchi17]

You can't knock their quality and finish but their accuracy is down right abysmal. XYs and now the XAs for example.

at least they're consistent :D lol

[fomoco04]

at least they're consistent :D lol

One of them has a soft spot for VW's:D

[brchi17]

One of them has a soft spot for VW's:D

obviously, but I hate em (VW's), so no CC's for me

[VXfan]

I used to think the members on the CC forum that bagged teh Biante product were sad but I see it's pretty much the same but vice versa here.:rolleyes:
Some of the brand 'loyalty' opinions are ridiculous imho.After brownie points people?
Cheers,
Tony.

[wayno]

So you really think that rear wheel looks right? :confused:
Many a Biante product has copped a bagging on here too remember.

[fomoco04]

I used to think the members on the CC forum that bagged teh Biante product were sad but I see it's pretty much the same but vice versa here.:rolleyes:
Some of the brand 'loyalty' opinions are ridiculous imho.After brownie points people?
Cheers,
Tony.

Lighten up sheeesh

[VXfan]

Many a Biante product has copped a bagging on here too remember.
True but has a CC model ever had a good word said about it?
I just feel some members feel the need to bag them in order to make Biante feel good which is pretty pathatic imho.
Cheers,
Tony.

[gab73]

well here is a picture from one on Ebay.
Volkwagen front end and rear wheel rather ahemm, all together a "trainwreck", just my oppinion.
As good as they get the BA/F race Fords, they as yet have not brought out one "classic" in a half decent way.
I'll wait for the BIANTE version, and Alan Moffat will sing the certificates.
Read ; It is only my oppinion and I am (still) entittled to it so keep it non personal, please.
I totally agree, i went and saw one in the flesh (non members car) and decided not to buy it.

[VXfan]

Lighten up sheeesh
Why the hell should I?Am I hitting a nerve some where?

[wayno]

Very seldom that models get praise at all from what I've seen. People love their cars and can get pretty pedantic about them.
I've been guilty of this with the 1990 Bathurst winner's under bonnet area.
I have a lot of CC models and have been very happy with them, but their phase 3 and 4's are pathetic.

[fomoco04]

Why the hell should I?Am I hitting a nerve some where?


Hmmmm let me have a look. I'll get back in a bit.

[malscar]

Can someone enlighten me as to when this car ever competed. My memory is that the only Ph4 that competed was the Ferguson car.

[brchi17]

I used to think the members on the CC forum that bagged teh Biante product were sad but I see it's pretty much the same but vice versa here.:rolleyes:
Some of the brand 'loyalty' opinions are ridiculous imho.After brownie points people?
Cheers,
Tony.

So are you suggesting the front & rear of XA looks correct then :confused:

Seems that some of your comment is directed at me & I don't care, but I don't think it looks right. For me it looks way too rounded, I felt the same about their XY's so I didn't buy them either. Regardless I'm not going to type something which I don't believe & my opinion is simply that, regardless of brand.

I call a spade a spade & will continue to do so regardless of the brand.

[fomoco04]

Very seldom that models get praise at all from what I've seen. People love their cars and can get pretty pedantic about them.
I've been guilty of this with the 1990 Bathurst winner's under bonnet area.
I have a lot of CC models and have been very happy with them, but their phase 3 and 4's are pathetic.


I concur. The later models ie VX and BA - BF are exceptional, the XYs and XAs are beautiful to look at but they are just plain wrong.

[wayno]

I call the XY 'herbie'. :D

[fomoco04]

Why the hell should I?Am I hitting a nerve some where?

Sorry nup. No nerves hit.

[GTHO Racers]

malscar,

David Bowdens car, the phase 4 prototype hasn't competed in anything of interest. Apparently it was drag raced by a previous owner but that's about it.

The car you are thinking of is the Bruce Hodgeson car which was rallied.

Thanks for the replies, I'll have to see one for myself before I bid on anything.

Cheers
Ken

[VXfan]

Sorry nup. No nerves hit.
Stand aside Graham Kennedy,there's a new King of Comedy in the house! I am in awe of ur genius.......

[Leigh]

Just like the earlier "signature series", special release packaging seems to command a premium price in the second-hand market...

Incidentally, heard a rumour the other day that Classics are going to re-release many of the Signature series that never sold...not too sure of the truth, but if true, I am sure there'll be many people slightly annoyed that they paid a premium and they haven't really sold out yet...

[fomoco04]

Stand aside Graham Kennedy,there's a new King of Comedy in the house! I am in awe of ur genius.......


Thank you. Thank you very much:crowngrin:

[VXfan]

Thank you. Thank you very much:crowngrin:
Your very welcome.:D

[ferrari fan]

True but has a CC model ever had a good word said about it?
I just feel some members feel the need to bag them in order to make Biante feel good which is pretty pathatic imho.
Cheers,
Tony.

Tony ,you are way outta line, have a look at the pics and praise I have given to the 2006 and 2007 triple8 models.

[VXfan]

Tony ,you are way outta line, have a look at the pics and praise I have given to the 2006 and 2007 triple8 models.
If I was targeting u Bert then I may be out of line but as I wasn't targeting any one person,I'm not imho.
Cheers,
Tony.

[malscar]

Thanks GTHO, Could not verify the rally car quickly:book2: so relied upon Bundy-induced memory:p
So all this hype is over a car just like Dick Johnson's first Falcon V8 supercar, a non event. I think I will save my money until the Super Falcon in Grace Bros colours comes out.

[fomoco04]

Tony ,you are way outta line, have a look at the pics and praise I have given to the 2006 and 2007 triple8 models.

Speaking of which. Does anyone know the rough release date of the 07 Bathurst winner?

[singer]

The information to scale down the 1:18 CC XY came directly from FORD & was confirmed as correct by Ford.;)

What, so now VW own FORD:p

[ferrari fan]

If I was targeting u Bert then I may be out of line but as I wasn't targeting any one person,I'm not imho.
Cheers,
Tony.

All good Tony.

[Leigh]

The information to scale down the 1:18 CC XY came directly from FORD & was confirmed as correct by Ford.;)

What, so now VW own FORD:p

Then that just proves that CC don't know how to scale...

I have access to a real XY, and the height between the bailey channel and the top of the roof on the Classics models is about 1:9th of the real car instead of 1:18!

Argue the facts my boys...

[monarocveightz]

Speaking of which. Does anyone know the rough release date of the 07 Bathurst winner?

I heard March '08......but I can't see it coming next month....

[Leigh]

If I was targeting u Bert then I may be out of line but as I wasn't targeting any one person,I'm not imho.
Cheers,
Tony.

Then what exactly were you saying??? Much praise of CC models has been said on this forum...makes your post a complete POS!

Pathetic really that posts made with objective information get disgruntled subjective responses...

[fomoco04]

I heard March '08......but I can't see it coming next month....

March? Your right I can't see it being that soon.

Although I wish it was.

[ferrari fan]

Rather good substitute, me thinks.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc302/jamathi05/ 8882007ATCC001.jpg


Boys, Boys, members of the Wayno club, let's keep it nice, pleaseeee!??

[monarocveightz]

March? Your right I can't see it being that soon.

Although I wish it was.

I'm sure I read it on the CC forum....i thought it sounded about right when it was posted, as the 06 car came out March 07......but the way things are going, I can't see it coming out next month

I hope it comes out soon too

[VXfan]

Then what exactly were you saying??? Much praise of CC models has been said on this forum...makes your post a complete POS!

Pathetic really that posts made with objective information get disgruntled subjective responses...
Coming from 'Mr Disgruntled' himself ur post means jack to me personally.:p

[fomoco04]

Rather good substitute, me thinks.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc302/jamathi05/ 8882007ATCC001.jpg


Boys, Boys, members of the Wayno club, let's keep it nice, pleaseeee!??

Thats a damn fine looking model there FF. Can't wait for the real one

[Leigh]

Coming from 'Mr Disgruntled' himself ur post means jack to me personally.:p


...and what a #### weak response...

How about you explain your apparent contradictory posts?

[biante11500]

im picky & i will admit it, to be honest there probably hasn't ever been a model car sold on the consumer market thats near 100% accurate or even close to perfection in scale.
if i were so picky as to be perfect i wouldn't have any models in my collection. i do feel we as collectors should speak up when we see a flaw or something that could be corrected before the release of a model to make the manufactures aware of and existing problem & to keep them honest and not think they can pass off anything and we will eagerly accept them with open wallets.

with that said i have noticed the last two xa releases from classics both the rpo83 coupe and the moffat phase4 sedan have issues with the rear end housing setting to far forward. i have also noticed this problem on the last 12 colors of the 1971 charger ertl released in 07 alone. gmp has had this problem also on some of there range of cars and i think a lot of the problem is the new workers in china that don't have the skill yet to get these areas correct during assembly.

as far as the scale or basic body shape goes on the xa sedan i haven't a clue if its accurate or not, the only thing i do know is the build quality and materials used on cc cars is a lot better than autoarts for the minimal diffrence in price. i collect both and sometime i would take a car that may be a little off in a body line or a roofline, compared to a model with a correct shape but is also lacking in other important areas.

like a four wheel drive ride height and flat spotting hollow plastic tires that snap on to plastic suspension mounting pins for that toe end loose wobbly look. not to mention the dog leg hinges that want let the doors stay shut properly and hang open sagging like a 90 year old womans milk sacks. those old fish eyed head lights with the mounting pins in the middle are surely innovative and correct looking also on the biante xy's.

we can set here and knock the bad points all day long or praise the good points to till the cows come home, but does it really mean anything as there just models not real cars and they will never be 100% scale accurate for the prices we pay. if people like them they will buy them regardless of who makes them or who hates them as its the collecters individual choice on what models they feel are worthy for adding to there own unique collection..
you know what they say one man's garbage is another mans treasure.

[Nick Short]

That eBay photo that seems to be the sole reference for some people is taken with a wide angle lens from a short distance, so the perspective on the front edge of the bonnet and rear edge of the boot are completely opposite. This also makes the wheels look out of position in the arches - the fronts too far back and the rears too far forward. Mine, sitting in front of me, has its wheels where they should be. As I said before, no "Volksy curves", but then I'm basing this opinion on fact and not some religious belief that one manufacturer is automatically superior. Or that an XY with a curved roof means an XA with a curved roof. Comparing with the studio photos in AMC its spot on, as far as I'm concerned.

[lukey73]

Nick we have been down this track before with the comparison between the Biante XW/XY's and the CC version, i have both and the CC version have a different roof line to the Biante ones IMO.

As for the Xa, if the phots are anything to go by then i wont by one as it does look rather "rounded" to ne but i will happily go for a walk down to Gateway next weekend and see if they have one firstly and secondly if its better than in the pics by one.

[zeitgeist]

Like other forum participants from the other side of the world, my access to the real deal is ... limited. Therefore, I have no real opinion on which company more accurately captures the look of the XY/XW/XA.

My main question is this: why would two individuals INTIMATELY involved with the Phase IV XA put their names on CC's version if it truly is an abysmal representation?

From what I have read about the man, I am assuming David Bowden isn't hurting for money. I don't know anything about John Wynne, but he's probably not living on the street. Why sell off your reputation so cheaply?

BC

[inter]

well here is a picture from one on Ebay.
Volkwagen front end and rear wheel rather ahemm, all together a "trainwreck", just my oppinion.
As good as they get the BA/F race Fords, they as yet have not brought out one "classic" in a half decent way.
I'll wait for the BIANTE version, and Alan Moffat will sing the certificates.
Read ; It is only my oppinion and I am (still) entittled to it so keep it non personal, please.


Ferrari fan I am with you, i will wait for biantes version

[brchi17]

....My main question is this: why would two individuals INTIMATELY involved with the Phase IV XA put their names on CC's version if it truly is an abysmal representation? .....

Because Bowden's have an exclusive deal with CC.

[domstrama]

Why not share what is arguably this country's most sought after muscle car and learn of the mystique of this stillborn project which would have revolutionised racing in this great country of ours I if anything admire David Bowden the man for bringing a true masterclass of a car to scale, now I don't want to get into any of the BIANTE V CLASSICS politics because there are views both ways so I just say whether it be a Biante or CC just buy the scale model and enjoy :)
Like other forum participants from the other side of the world, my access to the real deal is ... limited. Therefore, I have no real opinion on which company more accurately captures the look of the XY/XW/XA.

My main question is this: why would two individuals INTIMATELY involved with the Phase IV XA put their names on CC's version if it truly is an abysmal representation?

From what I have read about the man, I am assuming David Bowden isn't hurting for money. I don't know anything about John Wynne, but he's probably not living on the street. Why sell off your reputation so cheaply?

BC

[ferrari fan]

WHS^ (Edited)
What and how regarding so called "deals" and who is, or is not broke, is simply not the Q.
I looked carefully at the black XA RPO and found it not to my liking, same with the Ph4 4 door on offer.
I have an XB, I treasure/polish it often and I do know the shape of the XA/B.
If someone else likes the CC models, all well and good.
Have a look at the CC Chargers and compare/measure the front overhang with a Biante Charger, Blind Freddie can see what is going on.
It'got a Pinocio nose!
Beechey Monaro, well known and documented
The XR/T/W/Y shape of the overall car.
These are just my oppinions/findings and if a model is in my oppinion a good representation of the real deal, never mind the company, then it will have a place in my collection.
No more, no less.

[brchi17]

Why not share what is arguably this country's most sought after muscle car and learn of the mystique of this stillborn project which would have revolutionised racing in this great country of ours I if anything admire David Bowden the man for bringing a true masterclass of a car to scale, now I don't want to get into any of the BIANTE V CLASSICS politics because there are views both ways so I just say whether it be a Biante or CC just buy the scale model and enjoy :)

Great post & I agree, people can argue the Biante vs CC thing for forever & we'll never get everyone agreeing.

At the end of the day neither model maker are going to make everyone happy, so like always some are going to like & dislike what is released. With both companies making it, the best thing to do is for individuals to purchase the one which they like best.

[domstrama]

THANK YOU SIR..Great post & I agree, people can argue the Biante vs CC thing for forever & we'll never get everyone agreeing.

At the end of the day neither model maker are going to make everyone happy, so like always some are going to like & dislike what is released. With both companies making it, the best thing to do is for individuals to purchase the one which they like best.

[HDTHSVHRT]

They are commanding high prices because only CC members can buy them and only 300 are made of each, Ive got an efijy which Im very happy Ive got one,, and Im sure the same could be said for those who own the Phase 4! :rolleyes: (too many complainers in this forum)

[ferrari fan]

Yeah, true, but they like 2 smoke motorbikes, so they got something going for them as this will give "diesel" lovers the chance to complain about the fumes

[david5]

If you likes it,you buys it,if you dont,you dont.
but you cant compare one model to another for accuracy,you have to compare it to the 1:1. My dad had 3 Chargers ,brand new & were family favorites & the shape of the CC didnt stand out as wrong to me

Cheers David

[Leigh]

That eBay photo that seems to be the sole reference for some people is taken with a wide angle lens from a short distance, so the perspective on the front edge of the bonnet and rear edge of the boot are completely opposite. This also makes the wheels look out of position in the arches - the fronts too far back and the rears too far forward. Mine, sitting in front of me, has its wheels where they should be. As I said before, no "Volksy curves", but then I'm basing this opinion on fact and not some religious belief that one manufacturer is automatically superior. Or that an XY with a curved roof means an XA with a curved roof. Comparing with the studio photos in AMC its spot on, as far as I'm concerned.

You assume we havn't looked at these in real light...I'm pleased to hear you found one with a correctly placed rear wheel, as I have not yet:(

Likewise, you condemn a photograph due to distortion, but then compare to a photograph...

My main question is this: why would two individuals INTIMATELY involved with the Phase IV XA put their names on CC's version if it truly is an abysmal representation?


And this is the easiest question of all to answer, and it is WHY the models are different to start with, and also WHY people will never agree on what is correct!

To start with, the scaling process begins by taking many photographs and reconstructing those photographs (hence my response to Nick's post about distortion),...an imperfect process will never result in a perfect end product...

Also, scaling is NOT as simple as dividing everything by a number. This is not a box that is being scaled down, but a complex shape! In the first instance, everything is scaled down, then the "craft" of scale model making is applied...some of the scale measurments are rounded up, others are rounded down, depending on WHO is doing the scaling...this is a subjective process, based on whether a person sees complex shapes as "flatter" or "rounder" than what they are...

It is obvious to me that Classics see things a bit curvier than what Biante do...

Who is right? That all depends on how YOU think it should be, and is totally subjective...

[XU-123]

its very interesting to look at side pics of the Icon falcon and the CC falcon.
There is a huge amount of difference in the wheel arches...

[hot5]

Agreed the xy looks awkward , but in my opinion the xa looks pretty close to the real deal .

[Hey Charger]

Back to the topic of Members cars, I have chased the Efijy purely because 300 made (assigned is probably a better word to use), it did have the base with the concept designer and it’s a very cool looking model.

AS for the XA, no disrespect to the gents that did put their names to the base, they hold no significance to me. For me XA Phase IV = Moffat.

Then again each to their own, as to what they would chase & more importantly be willing to pay for.

I noticed in this thread that made mention that Bowden & CC had a deal, so does this mean a Biante version of this car (based on Bowdens') is out of the Q? If so what would it be referred to?

Cheers

[Nick Short]

Likewise, you condemn a photograph due to distortion, but then compare to a photograph...

That was for the benefit of anyone who hasn't seen the real model - the AMC photos (several, from different angles) were not taken with a fish eye lens from 3cm away, as the eBay one seemed to. They gave a much better idea of the shapes involved, if you took the sum of the different photos. Even with the naked eye the curve of the top of the windscreen will look greater end-on than from front-on, so you have to look at various views.

[HDTHSVHRT]

Back to the topic of Members cars, I have chased the Efijy purely because 300 made (assigned is probably a better word to use), it did have the base with the concept designer and it’s a very cool looking model.

AS for the XA, no disrespect to the gents that did put their names to the base, they hold no significance to me. For me XA Phase IV = Moffat.



Yeah but does Mr Ferlazzo have any significance? None at all to me, but I got it because of the exclusitivity and the car.

[monarocveightz]

Yeah but does Mr Ferlazzo have any significance? None at all to me, but I got it because of the exclusitivity and the car.

He designed the car....so to me it would:)

[Brock 05]

True but has a CC model ever had a good word said about it?
I just feel some members feel the need to bag them in order to make Biante feel good which is pretty pathatic imho.
Cheers,
Tony.
The V8 Supercars that they do are fine. I have said before that the Clasics of 2002-2007 are far better than the 4wd commodores that Biante did. Having said that on overall balance I personally lean to Biante but only just. Either way I don't care, they both have pros & cons so I just buy what I like.

[Brock 05]

im picky & i will admit it, to be honest there probably hasn't ever been a model car sold on the consumer market thats near 100% accurate or even close to perfection in scale.
if i were so picky as to be perfect i wouldn't have any models in my collection. i do feel we as collectors should speak up when we see a flaw or something that could be corrected before the release of a model to make the manufactures aware of and existing problem & to keep them honest and not think they can pass off anything and we will eagerly accept them with open wallets.

with that said i have noticed the last two xa releases from classics both the rpo83 coupe and the moffat phase4 sedan have issues with the rear end housing setting to far forward. i have also noticed this problem on the last 12 colors of the 1971 charger ertl released in 07 alone. gmp has had this problem also on some of there range of cars and i think a lot of the problem is the new workers in china that don't have the skill yet to get these areas correct during assembly.

as far as the scale or basic body shape goes on the xa sedan i haven't a clue if its accurate or not, the only thing i do know is the build quality and materials used on cc cars is a lot better than autoarts for the minimal diffrence in price. i collect both and sometime i would take a car that may be a little off in a body line or a roofline, compared to a model with a correct shape but is also lacking in other important areas.

like a four wheel drive ride height and flat spotting hollow plastic tires that snap on to plastic suspension mounting pins for that toe end loose wobbly look. not to mention the dog leg hinges that want let the doors stay shut properly and hang open sagging like a 90 year old womans milk sacks. those old fish eyed head lights with the mounting pins in the middle are surely innovative and correct looking also on the biante xy's.

we can set here and knock the bad points all day long or praise the good points to till the cows come home, but does it really mean anything as there just models not real cars and they will never be 100% scale accurate for the prices we pay. if people like them they will buy them regardless of who makes them or who hates them as its the collecters individual choice on what models they feel are worthy for adding to there own unique collection..
you know what they say one man's garbage is another mans treasure.
:2thumbsup: Well said

[Brock 05]

[quote=zeitgeist;237857]Like other forum participants from the other side of the world, my access to the real deal is ... limited. Therefore, I have no real opinion on which company more accurately captures the look of the XY/XW/XA.

My main question is this: why would two individuals INTIMATELY involved with the Phase IV XA put their names on CC's version if it truly is an abysmal representation? MONEY

From what I have read about the man, I am assuming David Bowden isn't hurting for money. I don't know anything about John Wynne, but he's probably not living on the street. Why sell off your reputation so cheaply? Because they have MONEY & can. They aren't that bad anyway & who is going to do better?

[zeitgeist]

WHS^ (Edited)
What and how regarding so called "deals" and who is, or is not broke, is simply not the Q.


In the case of my post, it certainly was the question. If a person simply rubber-stamps their approval on every step of the design/manufacture process, the motives/desire to produce an accurate product would be in doubt. Hence, the question.

I think a few members out here interpreted my post as meaning "why did Bowden and others give their approval to produce a model that obviously has the wrong shape". This is not the case. I don't have an opinion on its correctness, nor do I have an opinion on the motives of those who signed the plaque.

As many out here have stated, body shape is easily the model's aspect that is most open to interpretation.

I guess I should've worded my post more like this: "It would surprise me that people who obviously love Australian motorsport would so eagerly sign off on a product that was not, in their eyes, an accurate representation".

BC

[Leigh]

I guess I should've worded my post more like this: "It would surprise me that people who obviously love Australian motorsport would so eagerly sign off on a product that was not, in their eyes, an accurate representation".

BC

Which is exactly the question I answered...

[hobby]

Very seldom that models get praise at all from what I've seen. People love their cars and can get pretty pedantic about them.
I've been guilty of this with the 1990 Bathurst winner's under bonnet area.
I have a lot of CC models and have been very happy with them, but their phase 3 and 4's are pathetic.

i agree

but classics mustangs eg geoghen are bloody nice models and as a Perkins fan i collect and get signed this range of V8 supercar only to vary on bathurst winners.

[Nick Short]

I'm still puzzled by the amazingly negative reaction to the "Moffat" Phase 4! Complaints about the shape of the roof that don't bear any resemblance to the one I have sat in my cabinet, complaints about the position of the wheels, when the wheels on my model sit nicely in the arches (and the AMC photos include a good side-on shot for comparison). As for the rest, the colour is great, the detail sharp, and only the wipers detract a bit, sitting too high. Sit the Phase 4 next to any Biante XB or XC in particular, and it seems odd that words like "pathetic" are being used. It might put off any potential purchaser, but for some perhaps that was the plan.

[biante11500]

I'm still puzzled by the amazingly negative reaction to the "Moffat" Phase 4! Complaints about the shape of the roof that don't bear any resemblance to the one I have sat in my cabinet, complaints about the position of the wheels, when the wheels on my model sit nicely in the arches (and the AMC photos include a good side-on shot for comparison). As for the rest, the colour is great, the detail sharp, and only the wipers detract a bit, sitting too high. Sit the Phase 4 next to any Biante XB or XC in particular, and it seems odd that words like "pathetic" are being used. It might put off any potential purchaser, but for some perhaps that was the plan.

i can't believe you forgot to mention it also doesn't come with a signed coa on this board Nick lol! it has no resale value without a signed coa! didn't you know??
it doesn't mater if kyosho,aa,ut or minichamps makes it! but its got to have that signed coa to be 100% accurate. if you can bribe moffat to sign the cc certificate the lines will probably appear to straighten up on the model "even to one eyed collectors" by its self just like the plymouth in the john carpenter film christine.

i wonder if i played the song "bad to the bone" enough times that my biante xb falcons nose would would correctly reshape its self? hum.. time to experiment i will keep you updated Nick.

[Leigh]

I' m surprised you didn't mention the cheap price of Classics compared with Biante Tony...

Surprisingly, I don't care for signed CoA's, hence why I don't understand the significance of "CC Member only" models having inflated prices on the aftermarket...Given that, according to you Tony, everybody has "brand" allegiance, then this couldn't be anybody from this "board"...

I agree, the Biante XB nose is a shocker (jeepers, is that twice in two days I've knocked the Biante product)...hopefully the next XB released from Biante will have a fix with the tooling upgrade...

Keep up the cliches and generalisations boys, it is amusing LOL

[Julian Fogarty]

Im glad to say that the new upgraded XB nose is on the way guys. Unfortunately the next XB released will not have this as we couldn't get it done in time but from then on it will be standard issue.

[brchi17]

Im glad to say that the new upgraded XB nose is on the way guys. Unfortunately the next XB released will not have this as we couldn't get it done in time but from then on it will be standard issue.

so what is the next XB Julian ?

[carnut01]

i would assume the 74 Moffat ATTC car

[Julian Fogarty]

Correct. I've had a look at the prototype and to me, it's the nicest looking falcon race coupe yet. (Even without the new nose ;))

[biante11500]

I' m surprised you didn't mention the cheap price of Classics compared with Biante Tony...

Surprisingly, I don't care for signed CoA's, hence why I don't understand the significance of "CC Member only" models having inflated prices on the aftermarket...Given that, according to you Tony, everybody has "brand" allegiance, then this couldn't be anybody from this "board"...

I agree, the Biante XB nose is a shocker (jeepers, is that twice in two days I've knocked the Biante product)...hopefully the next XB released from Biante will have a fix with the tooling upgrade...

Keep up the cliches and generalisations boys, it is amusing LOL

oh yea thanks for reminding me... the classics model's are cheaper in price!
on the xb subject i guess this means 7 releases with incorrect front end's before we see a fix. two street cars and five racers counting the upcomming moffat 74 brut falcon and the autoart road warrior xb interceptor was more than likely alterd from this mold. the apollo blue xb came out in 2000 so i guess 8 years is and eight releases later the mold finally got enough return to justify a nose job..about time, just hope they don't blotch it like micheal jacksons plastic surgeon did!

[Nick Short]

Keep up the cliches and generalisations boys, it is amusing LOL[/QUOTE]

You forgot the "roll eyes" icon.

[bostonwayne]

How long till we see Classics fix there XY molds you think?

[Raider 351]

Correct. I've had a look at the prototype and to me, it's the nicest looking falcon race coupe yet. (Even without the new nose ;))

So assuming the next xb will be the 74 Moffat attc car, what will be the first xb with the new nose ?

Cheers
Raider 351

[Julian Fogarty]

So assuming the next xb will be the 74 Moffat attc car, what will be the first xb with the new nose ?

Cheers
Raider 351

Not sure. On this, I don't know any more than you guys.

[Raider 351]

No worries, thanks for the reply Julian.

Cheers
Raider 351

[AmonFan]

The first XB with the new mould will be part of a 2 car set... Ron Dickson Pioneer Big Ear XB with Warren Cullen Big Ear L34 ;) :p

[ferrari fan]

Tiss very simple for the persistant wingers and lovers of the "always better" CC models.;
Do not buy what you do not want and....., please go away to "the other side" and make love/spend $$ there!
If you cannot be objective/positive in any way here!

[Poita]

I alway buy what I like and like what I buy. I don't buy models for the very accurate details or design I buy them because company A or B decided to make what I like to collect. If it's a little bit out here or there it doesn't bother me as it is only a model not the real thing. My only concern is that the model is put together properly and it doesn't contain any manufacturing flaws.

I realise I may be different to others but I'm just glad we have two companies making Aussie models, sometimes we're lucky enough to get a choice or we get a chance to buy a model that was earlier way out of reach.

[Leigh]

I bag both in the hope that they both get better...and that can only be a good thing!

If people didn't find the faults, we'd still be getting WynToys (not a bad thing, they're worth a fortune!)

[bostonwayne]

Mine arrived today and the rear wheels are clearly too far forward and not in the centre of the wells unless I have fish angled eyes

[BILLFORD1]

The first XB with the new mould will be part of a 2 car set... Ron Dickson Pioneer Big Ear XB with Warren Cullen Big Ear L34 ;) :p Or the still missing DJ 77 # 13 Bathurst XB ??? BUT, I also will settle for "The Big Ears Twin Set" !!! :D

[biante11500]

Tiss very simple for the persistant wingers and lovers of the "always better" CC models.;
Do not buy what you do not want and....., please go away to "the other side" and make love/spend $$ there!
If you cannot be objective/positive in any way here!

don't you really mean everyone visiting here should bend over and pucker up and be in agreement with everything you & the biante police spread as the gospel as it pertains to aussie diecast.
the only whining we hear here most of the time is if anyone says something negative about a autoart/biante product. were used to the usual cc screwed it up banter with every release they put out here.. i will agree not all of the cc cars are anywere near perfect but then again niether are biantes.

if anyone who has a diffrent opinion is not welcome here. i have no problems saying goodbye & i know i & anyone else who doesn't kiss azz and pucker up will not be missed by the residing coa gang police.

[ferrari fan]

Yawn........
When a model of CC is well done, I for one, do post praise.
We all agree on the fact that neither company get it right all the time!
No need to introduce obscene, fake, unsubstanciated sodomie insinuations on this forum.
Goodbye!

[hot5]

don't you really mean everyone visiting here should bend over and pucker up and be in agreement with everything you & the biante police spread as the gospel as it pertains to aussie diecast.
the only whining we hear here most of the time is if anyone says something negative about a autoart/biante product. were used to the usual cc screwed it up banter with every release they put out here.. i will agree not all of the cc cars are anywere near perfect but then again niether are biantes.

if anyone who has a diffrent opinion is not welcome here. i have no problems saying goodbye & i know i & anyone else who doesn't kiss azz and pucker up will not be missed by the residing coa gang police.

Well said !

[rehau]

Tiss very simple for the persistant wingers and lovers of the "always better" CC models.;
Do not buy what you do not want and....., please go away to "the other side" and make love/spend $$ there!
If you cannot be objective/positive in any way here!

what is wrong with you????????
i can not belive you made a statement like this?????
do you want a forum member of half a dozen????????????????????????????????????????????? ???







you are the one that is not objective

[rehau]

don't you really mean everyone visiting here should bend over and pucker up and be in agreement with everything you & the biante police spread as the gospel as it pertains to aussie diecast.
the only whining we hear here most of the time is if anyone says something negative about a autoart/biante product. were used to the usual cc screwed it up banter with every release they put out here.. i will agree not all of the cc cars are anywere near perfect but then again niether are biantes.

if anyone who has a diffrent opinion is not welcome here. i have no problems saying goodbye & i know i & anyone else who doesn't kiss azz and pucker up will not be missed by the residing coa gang police.

spot on

[singer]

Please, Guys this Forum is a place to exchange views & friendly banter.

Please do not fall into the Trap as I once did in responding Negatively to a post which you may not like.:(

Do not respond at all. This is how I have deal with these types of issues now!:)

[ferrari fan]

What,
Not being able of reacting in a sensible manner to a small group of constantly negative posters on this forum.
I.E. just agreeing at all costs?
Seems to be the fassion now on all issues in our nation ruled by very vocal minorities?
Sorry, I respect other people's oppinion and expext the same.
Does not mean we always have to agree on all subjects.

[HDTHSVHRT]

I am in the view that this forum is very strict compared to others, ie you cant voice a strong opinion without being ridiculed for it. The good thing is that it keeps it clean 99% of the time and we can voice our opinions in a good manner, therefore making it a good forum.

[singer]

What,
Not being able of reacting in a sensible manner to a small group of constantly negative posters on this forum.
I.E. just agreeing at all costs?
Seems to be the fassion now on all issues in our nation ruled by very vocal minorities?
Sorry, I respect other people's oppinion and expext the same.
Does not mean we always have to agree on all subjects.

FF,

Not responding to what may be considered a Negative Post as it irritates me as well, however I found that not responding was an easier option as a few of these people just do it to BAIT others into a comment (positive or negative).:(

I respect your right not to agree with all that is posted & not posting DOES NOT MEAN that WE agree with their posts just we choose to ignore them.

However there are other ramifications, as I found out to my detriment, hence my suggestion.

Cheers:)