Moffat/Bond twin set

[Richard Poole]

The 1977 twin set is back in stock. There are very few left so if you missed out on the first release be quick.

[terrine]

YES i see it but there is no purchase link
how do i order it
dont let me miss out

r/peter

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by terrine
YES i see it but there is no purchase link
how do i order it
dont let me miss out

r/peter

click on advanced orders from the front page, then the listing for the twin pack, and then add it to your cart.

[terrine]

thats what i meant

there is no add to cart on that page

r/peter

[Richard Poole]

it works for me.

go here:-

http://www.biante.com.au/advanceOrders.cfm

then next to the picture of the cars under the grey 'view details' button there is a yellow 'order me' button.

[Dowelly]

Hi. I'm new to this so you'll have to bear with me.

Can anybody tell me if we have to pay extra for the plaque that is with the moffat set ? or do we get that inclusive in the set?

Thank you

[terrine]

thank you richard for your help
my cart was not empty so it would not accept the advance order.
i was panicking there but can now look forward to my purchase

phew

ty/peter

[BATHURSTFAN]

the plaque is extra ($130??), see previous thread on this topic

[intercooled]

Drat and blast ... missed out again. This 11 hour time difference is no good.

As a matter of interest, did the website change to say that these were available for a few brief hours ?

Or, how does it all work ? (for a new person to the forum).

And, more importantly, will there be any more ?

All the best
Sandy

[Renz Man]

Hi all

For those of you attempting to secure one of these items, check out the sold.com.au & Ebay websites - a retailer has a number of the sets with the trophy up for sale ($479 no reserve). Ebay looks the best bet at the moment - the 5 currently on sold have the same buyer leading the bidding, but the ebay ones are untouched.

Hope this helps some of the collectors desperate to get their hands on this item.

[intercooled]

For reference please, what did they retail for ?

Thanks.

All the best

[terrine]

you said.....the 5 currently on sold have the same buyer leading the bidding,

hey its not heward555 leading the bidding is it?

r/peter

[Renz Man]

intercooled, according to the Biante website the 2 models & the trophy were $462 (not inc postage).

And no, thankfully (for the retailer that is) it isn't Heward555 leading the bidding!!:D

[diecastdude]

Good one terrine lmfao

[Markj]

I missed out on ordering these models

Does anyone know where I can buy them from now???

Please help!

[Richard Poole]

Make sure you are registered for todays newsletter regarding more stock of these items.

[terrine]

thank you richard you must have sent them via the tardis because they arrived today
excellent dude

r/peter:)

[frosty]

Thanks Rich,

Got it this morning.

The COA is a nice touch.

[Richard Poole]

It wasn't just me guys. There are a heap of people here at Biante, over east, as well as a few thousand in China that have all worked their proverbials off over the last few months to get these models done.

We are glad you like them.

[Three_o_seven]

If I don't get mine tomorrow I'm gunna have a hell of a puddle of drool by the front door by Monday morning:p

Man the anticipation NEVER subsides does it.....lol

[KRAKA05]

I got mine today at work and i couldnt keep my hands off them. They look great in the cabinet side by side.....Now for that MARLBORO a9x....and the Big Banger VKS.......Bring them on PLEASE!!!!!

Thanks Biante

[Three_o_seven]

Got mine.....woohoo

Love the upholstery in Bond's car.....fantastic C.O.A

fair dinkum thats an awesome package:D

[Nick Short]

What's special about the upholstery in Bond's car? I'm intrigued as I haven't seen it....

[Three_o_seven]

G'day Nick

Bond's car has a hounds tooth style of insert on front and rear seats....and I can honestly say that I had never seen the interior of the 77 cars on any race footage....so it was a cool twist. :D

There are quite a lot of differences between two.....Biante have really put a top effort into detail with these cars.

Jeremy

[john]

Grab a torch and flash it at the dash, I can't believe the detail in the tacho's. The colour scheme looks great, I FEEL LIKE A BLOODY KID AGAIN !!!
Thanks Biante

[KRAKA05]

You will also notice that the Moffat has a single mirror, whilst the Bond car has 2. Ford badge on the rear of Bonds and gearlever b/w the 2 is also differrent. Diff Numbers

oh...headlight covers are differrent also

[Acj428]

Yep that Bond car interior was a great surprise to me as well,
and the engine detail with the twin webers.....:D...

But I'm not sure but the boot looks a little bare was that the way they were it looks completely standard no big fillers ????? I know the early gt's were standard...... And Biante have done another beautiful paint finish on them, my panel 'n' paint freind reckons he couldn't do as good a job with a real car...

Peter.

[nick]

Are there anymore coming???????

[SWRT]

Will the certificates be signed by Moffat and Bond?
Also like the Johnson 81 winner were there were some certificates signed by John Frenh will some of the 1-2 set certificates be signed by Jackie Ickx and Alan Hamilton?

[nick]

Are there anymore coming???????

[the_goldie]

Hi SWRT - The certificate is signed by Moffat and Bond.

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by SWRT
Will the certificates be signed by Moffat and Bond?
Also like the Johnson 81 winner were there were some certificates signed by John Frenh will some of the 1-2 set certificates be signed by Jackie Ickx and Alan Hamilton?

None of the Johnson 81 certificates left here signed by anyone other than Dick Johnson. Some people may have had them signed by French after they purchased the model.

[SWRT]

On ebay I saw a Johnson Bathurst 81 car for sale and it had a "double signed certificate" by Johnson and French.
Said it was 1 of 10.
Still one for sale on the buy/sell/swap section.
Will 10 of the Moffat 1/18 1-2 set contain a certificate signed by Ickx and Hamilton as well as Moffat and Bonds.
If not Nick Short would be the only person on this forum able get his 2 set cars signed by Jackie Ickx unless Jackie returns to racing by competing in a porsche at next years bathurst 24 hour.

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by SWRT
On ebay I saw a Johnson Bathurst 81 car for sale and it had a "double signed certificate" by Johnson and French.
Said it was 1 of 10.
Still one for sale on the buy/sell/swap section.
Will 10 of the Moffat 1/18 1-2 set contain a certificate signed by Ickx and Hamilton as well as Moffat and Bonds.
If not Nick Short would be the only person on this forum able get his 2 set cars signed by Jackie Ickx unless Jackie returns to racing by competing in a porsche at next years bathurst 24 hour.

As I said before, none of the Johnson XD certificates left here signed by anyone but Dick Johnson. Someone must have got 10 certs signed after they bought the models.

The Moffat/Bond certs are all signed by Moffat and Bond, nobody else.

Nick may be able to get Ickx to sign his cert but I think he deserves it as he can't get Bowe, French, etc on the other certs. You win some and you lose some.

[BATHURSTFAN]

I got mine today (Mon 16/12) and was surprised at the differences.

I was interested about the bonnet scoops as they were not on the cars when raced, now i know why (as on the brochure) as they were told to take them off the cars because of scrutineering.


Glenn


PS Nick & Berkut, hopefully you will get yours soon.

[nick]

hey Bathurstfan
i should be getting mine today, but i was just wondering how many were made?

[Richard Poole]

7712

[brchi17]

As someone who has not purchased the 1/2 set, I was wondering what was different in respect to the certificate that came with the cars ????
From someone who was not old enough in '77 to remember the race (I was 1!!!).
cheers.

[nick]

i got mine!
if anyones still trying to find one and is located in melbourne, try traffic toys on malvern rd as i got mine from them today but im not sure if they have any left.

[loste_treasures]

Originally posted by nick
i got mine!
if anyones still trying to find one and is located in melbourne, try traffic toys on malvern rd as i got mine from them today but im not sure if they have any left.

if you have bought one from traffic toys then you must be one very lucky, lucky person.

everytime i walk into that place and ask for something they say they dont have it, even though i know they do cuz they sell a stack load of items on ebay.com.au and sold.com.au

sierra, sierra, sierra, sierra.....................

[Oh Five]

thats typical, loste... just another chapter in the "traffic book of good deeds".

[Oh Five]

Loste, in answer to your question, the c.o.a is alot bigger than standard, and it is a "stonie" cartoon of the two cars autographed by both moff and chesty, no writing on it like the others(apart from edition number).
Cheers.

[Graeme]

For those curious about the seat trim in Bond's 1977 Bathurst car, I think you'll find it relates directly to what was fitted by Ford as standard equipment in all XC Ford Falcon Hardtops.

With the demise of the Falcon GT in the XB model, Ford introduced the XC model with only two model choices in the Hardtop range. The exclusive 400 only Cobra models appeared later in 1978.

The XC Hardtops could be purchased only as the GS Hardtop or Fairmont Hardtop. Both models featured identical "Houndstooth" cloth seat trim as standard equipment with the Fairmont also incorporating a fold-down centre rear seat armrest.

Both cars shared some other features including a sports steering wheel, full instrumentation and the twin scoop GS bonnet.

[Three_o_seven]

That makes sense brchi17 as the differences between the two models indicate that Bonds car was a brand new XC and Moffats was his ATCC XB GT with an upgraded front clip......correct me if im wrong.

Jeremy

[Ford 17]

Originally posted by Three_o_seven
That makes sense brchi17 as the differences between the two models indicate that Bonds car was a brand new XC and Moffats was his ATCC XB GT with an upgraded front clip......correct me if im wrong.

Jeremy

G'day Jeremy, From memory and pics that I have I'm pretty sure that Bond's car was a hybrid as well. My reason is that if you look at the rear indicators they are vertical as an XB and the XC indicators were horizontal as in Moffat's Cobra of 78 and the Federation car of 79. If I am wrong please let us know the full story of these two great cars.

Shane.

[Three_o_seven]

Good spotting Shane......I'm wondering wether or not it is the car that replaced the burnt out wreck in 1976 in Adelaide??? Maybe they had a bare XB shell and scored new paneling etc from the XC because Bonds car has the XC interior and a blue oval badge on the bootlid.....i dont think the badge was on any XB'S......

Jeremy

[croweater]

Hi lost_treasures - I just got my twin set from Traffic too - at normal retail - I deal with a lovely lady called Ursula (is that how you spell it?) there - fantastic service - I have never had any problems with these guys - EVER - highly recommended.

[admin]

Originally posted by Three_o_seven
Good spotting Shane......I'm wondering wether or not it is the car that replaced the burnt out wreck in 1976 in Adelaide??? Maybe they had a bare XB shell and scored new paneling etc from the XC because Bonds car has the XC interior and a blue oval badge on the bootlid.....i dont think the badge was on any XB'S......

Jeremy

Car #2 also had XB door trims just in case you hadn't noticed...confuse the issue a bit more.

[nick]

just got my twin set from Traffic too - at normal retail - I deal with a lovely lady called Ursula (is that how you spell it?) there - fantastic service - I have never had any problems with these guys - EVER - highly recommended.

how much did u get urs for croweater?

[Three_o_seven]

So Admin........whats the inside info on car 2.......or are you as bamboozled as i am?

Jeremy

[Ford 17]

OK any body out there have any information at all as to the full history on these two cars. :confused:

Shane

[lachlan]

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Hi lost_treasures - I just got my twin set from Traffic too - at normal retail - I deal with a lovely lady called Ursula (is that how you spell it?) there - fantastic service - I have never had any problems with these guys - EVER - highly recommended.

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Your a lucky boy croweater, the Ursula I dealt with must off left and been replaced with a nice Ursula.
Never ever again.......... just thinking about makes me fell sick.......
don't want to get into it......

:mad:

[BATHURSTFAN]

From 'Ford - The Racing History'

1976 "The first round, the Hang Ten 400 at Sandown... Not only did Moffat have a brand new Falcon, (Operation Phoenix) painted in an attractive red, white and blue colour scheme..."

"The 1978 Championship of Makes got underway at Oran Park at end of July, the Moffat cars appearing in the familiar red, white & blue for the last time before reappearing at Sandown in Cobra colours ... the works Cobras made their debut at the 400 km Sandown round...".

This tells me that these cars (No 1 & 2 Falcons) were XBs turned into XCs & then XC Cobras.

NOTE; The Moffat cars ran with the bonnet scoops in 1978.

I think 'Operation Phoenix' came about when the orange/red XB and transporter went up in flames in Adelaide.

Any more info?

[SmartyMarty]

Picked up mine today...and i must say i m impressed!!!!
Happy i got my set...especially the tires have a very realistic shape..different from the other XB's and XC's.Well done Biante...looking forward to the next releases!!!:D

[Nick Short]

Various sources have it that the 1976 cars were merely updated to XC appearance for 1977, with new front ends, different rear spoilers etc, but essentially similar paint jobs and retaining some XB features. These cars were then updated again for 1978, with the Cobra colours, bonnet scoop and various mods found necessary for racing. One car was then repainted again in Federation Insurance colours for 1979, but since then they have both been returned to 1977 Bathurst-winning livery.

[SammyHagar]

Just 2 quick questions,should colin bonds car have a blue oval badge on the boot lid? as i always thought that the blue oval badge wasnt put onto fords till about half way thru 1978........Also are they correct in having the XC dash in them,or should they have XB dashes?

Thanks

[ferrari fan]

To my ,personal opinion ,the Auto Art XC Cobrs Ixck/moffat ford dealers car is representing the ford coupe's the best it even has camels on them. As a racecarmodel it makes the statement .
How come that this model has the Hardie Ferodo 1000 logo above the #1 on the doors? , my understanding of this model is that it is depicted as only as run in the touringcar rounds?
The model in q. is the white/blue stripped Cobra. :confused:

[Yogi]

Ferrari Fan,
The reason the Moffat/Ickx Cobra model has "Hardie-Ferodo 1000" written on it is because its the car that Moffat and Ickx drove in the 1978 Bathurst race. Ickx did not participate in any other Aussie touring car rounds.

Peter

[rusky26]

I lay-byed my twin the other day...and noticed the door hinges are done much better now. is this the first model to have these more realistic hinges or have they been out for a while?

[nick]

is the 2 set meant to come with a brochure??? i hav never got a brochure with any of my cars.

[Richard Poole]

Every twin set left the warehouse destined for our authoprised stockists with a certificate, brochure, and order form for the plaque. Talk to your dealer as should have one for you.

[nick]

thanks richard
did anyonelse who bought there 2 set from traffic toys not get the brochure and how much did they pay, including plaque.

[diecastdude]

Got my twin set the other day and I found it interesting to see it stated on the order form for the plaque that you can fax your order back to biante as well as post, I was wondering how biante can determine who has purchased the twin set which allows one to buy the plaque if you can simply fax in your details and order one, personally I have mailed back the tear off portion for my plaque but it does appear that any one can fax in an order for a plaque wheather they purchased a twin set or not, I mean its pretty hard to put the order form through a fax machine so I asume that simply putting your details on a piece of paper is all thats required ???

[admin]

Diecastdude...most people who have worked out the complexities of a fax machine have also mastered the photocopier.
However if they havent, you can still fax the form as is.
NON coupon faxes will not be accepted.

Hope Santa is visiting tonight and your friends and families are happy, safe and enjoy Christmas.

[diecastdude]

NON coupon faxes will not be accepted.

Good to hear, I know there will be quiet a few thousand of these but at least there won't be many more thousands than what one would expect.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

And the twin set is really ace.

[BATHURSTFAN]

I've asked my dealer do I need to do anything regarding the plaque, and he said no he has ordered one for me.

So I don't need to fill anything out, dealer orders are accepted on behalf of the twin set purchasers ADMIN ?

[admin]

Providing the dealer gets his order in by January 3rd next, and has put your name on one of them, then no problems.

[sam]

My brother Has the Moffet Bond set they look really good

[sam]

The plaques come out in sometime January like the 15th or someting like that i think

[Graeme]

For those wondering about the origins of the real 1977 XC race twins, the most likely answer is that they were updates of the two XB coupes that Moffat and Bond ran in the 1977 ATCC.

"FORD - The racing history" has photos of the cars in 1977 XB form and they show Bond's car as a twin mirror version.
The paint scheme was unaltered for Bathurst with the exception of Camel sponsorship, for which room was found on the deeper XC front bumper.

One of the cars had to be the "Phoenix" car which was built in mid-1976 to replace the incinerated "B52" and which debuted in the familiar 1977 colours at the 1976 Hang Ten 400 at Sandown.

Moffat had completed the last two rounds of the seven short races in the 1976 series using the idle John Goss car, before driving "Phoenix" in three of the final four long races, and the separate Bathurst event. For this reason I reckon that Moffat didn't have a spare car in 1976.

To secure Colin Bond and Caroll Shelby for the 1977 season, and to run a second car, Moff must have pulled a lot of money from Ford and/or it's dealer network. If the door mirrors represent anything ( a long shot ), then I reckon Moff continued to drive "Phoenix" in 1977 having sorted it in the final 1976 races, and Bondie most likely drove the newer XB car. Either way, both cars/drivers dominated the 1977 series.

Interestingly, both cars when in XC form later in the 1977 season form, ran the reverse hood scoops in all races, other than Bathurst. For whatever reason, the scoops were not allowed on any XC Falcon at Bathurst that year. (The Cobra version did not appear until 1978).

As to whether Bondie should've won the 1977 race, he is quoted in the FORD book as saying:

"...I hung back a bit over the last few laps and then moved up alongside Moffat to do the last lap side by side. His Falcon had no front brakes so there was no question of his winning had we been racing."

"I had my chance earlier when Moffat and I were talking in the caravan while Ickx and 'Hammo' were doing their bit. He suggested we swap cars so whichever won, both of us - and one of the co-drivers - could claim victory. Whether we could've done that I don't know, because even though we'd both nominated for each car, I think that only applied if one broke. Anyway, I said 'no' because the plan we had was working and I could see no sense in changing it at short notice. So I had my chance. Ickx thought I was mad!"