Biante to re release the VK Group A

[A9L]

I have posted this already but I think it needs its own thread.

I am absolutely bemused by Biante doing a rerun of the VK Group A, are they trying to take the collect ability away from every car, look at the VK big bangers there not worth a cracker and probably never will due to the numbers made, and now making the same car with the guise of an option, normally they work out which would be the best car for the market and do it in that configuration, but now they wait till the first run is out of stock then do a rerun with on option, its just not right, and I doubt Trevor would have done it.

My certificate reads: This is to certify that this model of the Holden VK Commodore SS group A in Formula Blue is one of 8202 produced in 1:18 scale.

The white wheel was just an option FOR THIS CAR, so that means that Biante can now reproduce any of there so called LIMITED EDITION cars, just buy producing the same car with an option, and calling it "White wheel option" or "air condition version" "duel exhaust option".

When I bought my VK I thought there was only ever going to be 8202 in fORMULA BLUE, but looks like they are going to milk every last cent out of the Brocks, I herd this on the grape vine awhile ago but I thought they would come to there senses, but it seams not!

I personally think the days of having something a bit special and maybe a bit scarce are well and truly gone!!!!!!!!

I will be scaling down from now on, maybe its for the best, it was costing me a fortune.

[lukey73]

Wait till CC do there version in a few yrs time like all the other Biante copies they have done.

[Bones]

There are more important Brock models too be made than doin two Bluey's.
What a waste of Biante time and effort. All this is going to do is lower the prices of all the first batch of Blueys and shop's will be throwing them out for under a $100 just to get rid of them

[kts350]

There are more important Brock models too be made than doin two Bluey's.
What a waste of Biante time and effort. All this is going to do is lower the prices of all the first batch of Blueys and shop's will be throwing them out for under a $100 just to get rid of them

If they do then I might buy one, don't see the point in making a model that the only difference between it and one they have already recently released is the wheels on it..

[Damage]

Wouldnt be too much of a rejig to do some VC & VH HDT road cars would it?

Cmonnnnnnn.......

[Nick Short]

Wait till CC do there version in a few yrs time like all the other Biante copies they have done.

Wait for that, then, as they're likely to be better. Maybe a LOT better.

Biante did the Option 96 XC Cobra, then the Option 97 XC Cobra, and I don't remember anyone complaining.

[Skaife fan]

If it's kept to a build quantity of about a 1000, it will be highly popular imo.

[mouse]

i also agree that the vc or vh hdt would have been a better option.

[XU-123]

Wait for that, then, as they're likely to be better. Maybe a LOT better.

Biante did the Option 96 XC Cobra, then the Option 97 XC Cobra, and I don't remember anyone complaining.

haha , it will be light blue though

[Skaife fan]

haha , it will be light blue though
and the decals back to front. :D

[biante10294]

I tend to agree with A9L, Biante seem to be making too many of some models or variants which in turn reduces their "collector" value. I am not sure how many of the white wheel cars are being made but it will hopefully just be a very limited run.

I have posted this already but I think it needs its own thread.

I am absolutely bemused by Biante doing a rerun of the VK Group A, are they trying to take the collect ability away from every car, look at the VK big bangers there not worth a cracker and probably never will due to the numbers made, and now making the same car with the guise of an option, normally they work out which would be the best car for the market and do it in that configuration, but now they wait till the first run is out of stock then do a rerun with on option, its just not right, and I doubt Trevor would have done it.

My certificate reads: This is to certify that this model of the Holden VK Commodore SS group A in Formula Blue is one of 8202 produced in 1:18 scale.

The white wheel was just an option FOR THIS CAR, so that means that Biante can now reproduce any of there so called LIMITED EDITION cars, just buy producing the same car with an option, and calling it "White wheel option" or "air condition version" "duel exhaust option".

When I bought my VK I thought there was only ever going to be 8202 in fORMULA BLUE, but looks like they are going to milk every last cent out of the Brocks, I herd this on the grape vine awhile ago but I thought they would come to there senses, but it seams not!

I personally think the days of having something a bit special and maybe a bit scarce are well and truly gone!!!!!!!!

I will be scaling down from now on, maybe its for the best, it was costing me a fortune.

[Damage]

Maybe if they want more mileage from the VK tooling they could do some F. Blue Group A/3 models......

[HQGTS74]

Maybe if they want more mileage from the VK tooling they could do some F. Blue Group A/3 models......

Exactly, that would be good. And put the white wheels on the Group A/3.

chris

[biante10294]

Maybe if they want more mileage from the VK tooling they could do some F. Blue Group A/3 models......

Yep, that would probably be a better way to go, at least then it will keep Biante's certificate (COA) claim correct.

[jager]

Since the original white wheels were only an option, perhaps Biante should offer an 'option pack' of say 5 wheels for $ 30 (?), that would allow existing owners of the model to customise their existing cars rather than re-releasing an entirely new series of models.

They might potentially sell more sets of wheels individually to the 8,200 owners of this model (as well as to others who want to customise other road cars) than they would by doing a limited run of 1,000 new models with the white wheels.

[00lowndes]

I like your thinking jagger. I would by a second one of the alredy released models and change the wheels. Better than flooding the market with another Vk

[Holdennumber1]

Thats what I've been thinking recently too. When theres plenty of new releases coming out from CC and Biante, thers no point buying a model you've already got. And if the only difference in the model is the wheels, why not make sets of them than more models.

[Andrew]

Since the original white wheels were only an option, perhaps Biante should offer an 'option pack' of say 5 wheels for $ 30 (?), that would allow existing owners of the model to customise their existing cars rather than re-releasing an entirely new series of models.

They might potentially sell more sets of wheels individually to the 8,200 owners of this model (as well as to others who want to customise other road cars) than they would by doing a limited run of 1,000 new models with the white wheels.

It may mean that any unsold Blue Meanies would then shift quickly as people bought a second one to option their car with the white wheels. A win-win situation.

[A9L]

Maybe if they want more mileage from the VK tooling they could do some F. Blue Group A/3 models......

That would be the better way to go, and I would buy one, but to do a rerun, and that is what it is, because if Biante where going to do it correctly they should have put "this group A in formula Blue with Silver wheels is one of 8202" on the first run!

As it stands now they are making a mockery of the Certificate.

Imagine if you brought a new Group A from brocky in 85, under the impression you had one of 502, then Brocky thinks sh.t they sold well, lets do some more with White wheels..... No what he did was gave you the option to have White wheels on one of the 502.

[HDT337]

That would be the better way to go, and I would buy one, but to do a rerun, and that is what it is, because if Biante where going to do it correctly they should have put "this group A in formula Blue with Silver wheels is one of 8202" on the first run!

As it stands now they are making a mockery of the Certificate.

Imagine if you brought a new Group A from brocky in 85, under the impression you had one of 502, then Brocky thinks sh.t they sold well, lets do some more with White wheels..... No what he did was gave you the option to have White wheels on one of the 502.

You mean like Walkinshaw done with the Walkinshaw, built 500, all sold out very quickly, then released another 250, and they sat in dealer ships for nearly 2 years.

Personally, bring on a very limited run of the white wheel VK GA's. The other VK GA is not worth much anyway regardless.

May start to increase a little soon as they were sold out on Biante site.

HDT337

[Brock 05]

I don't mind it being done but if you aren't going to let us know of the 2 variants you intent on doing then at least space them out by a couple of years. :mad: I like the idea but once again it shows such arrogance on Biante's behalf to do it in this way. A VK Group A/3 I can live with so close to the release of the GPA but this shows how little thought or understanding it appears you guys put into appeasing your customer base. :(

I would have loved one & definitely got one but the way it's been handled is poor so I will pass.

[Leigh]

Have to agree with that Brock05.

How would people feel about a Track Red XY being released now with new tooling and Bathurst Globes?

[david5]

Have to agree with that Brock05.

How would people feel about a Track Red XY being released now with new tooling and Bathurst Globes?

Warm & fuzzy. Please do if its a better model.

[Leigh]

I'll start a thread on it...see what the masses think;)

[kts350]

I may buy one of them god whats going on lately I've been saying yes to buying ford models...

[Maq]

My certificate reads: This is to certify that this model of the Holden VK Commodore SS group A in Formula Blue is one of 8202 produced in 1:18 scale.




I was going to ask if someone had a pic of the COA or could post what it said, but found the above.

legally they should not be allowed to put that colour on that body even if it has new wheels.
If I had one I would demand my $ back
Poor form Biante. Sometimes you should not only think about the coin but the collectors

[rayman]

You know what is ruining this whole diecast game in Australian Models? I will tell you, in no particular order. Ebay, Collector's who wait to buy cheaper on Ebay, greedy shops who hold onto low run popular models to sell on Ebay, collector's who order at multiple shops and do not collect, sharks, and manufacturers who do not pass on the lower cost when the dollar goes up. We all want this and that, but are bringing it all down ourselves.

[UNDFTD]

whats next? are we going to see the re-release of the alpine white & astroid silver VK Group 3's sporting HDT momo wheels, this re-release thing is a joke!

[Footy]

Its actually a good way to get rid of the mass over supply of their models....:p

[Maq]

But there not. They are making new ones

[rayman]

But there not. They are making new ones
Are you sure?

[HDT337]

Are you sure?

I think its stated by one of the Biante staff earlier in the thread. Definetly new cars.

HDT337

[smokey_dj]

yes it was and personally if it was going to help biante out and other large surplus's in shops were able to be recalled to be re created into the sandown winner or other cars id say best of luck to it ill bet its hard enough running the bizz atm as it is

(more so im refereing to the 05 and 25 vk's than the bluey

[A9L]

I don't mind it being done but if you aren't going to let us know of the 2 variants you intent on doing then at least space them out by a couple of years. :mad: I like the idea but once again it shows such arrogance on Biante's behalf to do it in this way. A VK Group A/3 I can live with so close to the release of the GPA but this shows how little thought or understanding it appears you guys put into appeasing your customer base. :(

I would have loved one & definitely got one but the way it's been handled is poor so I will pass.


Thats right, the first run should have read "silver wheel option"!

I was told by Biante when I asked about this a while ago "that they where remaking the VK Group A because of a huge demand for the White wheels", when most of the people i know that wanted them had already painted there's or bought one with White wheels on ebay!

And like I said at the time, it would want to be collectors that keep on collecting after this car because they will lose some die hards if they do it.

[Jace]

What a whole load of whinning, if Biante want to release a white wheel version they can do so.

Do people on here buy looking for an investment or because they happen to like the model. :confused:

I buy because I love the cars I buy,the ones I don't want I don't buy. If the value increases that is a bonus.

If it decreases....... stiff, I don't plan on selling anyway :rolleyes:

[00lowndes]

Here one I did awhile ago. Not Happy Now.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg105/00lowndes/ PICT0045.jpg

Here another. This was done cause a mate owned one like this

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg105/00lowndes/ PICT0047.jpg

[Peter Minahan]

What a whole load of whinning, if Biante want to release a white wheel version they can do so.

Do people on here buy looking for an investment or because they happen to like the model. :confused:

I buy because I love the cars I buy,the ones I don't want I don't buy. If the value increases that is a bonus.

If it decreases....... stiff, I don't plan on selling anyway :rolleyes:

Right on. I'm continually bemused/amused by people claiming to be serious collectors but who spend more time talking about the value of the cars they now own or potential value of ones they are going to buy. True collectors spend whatever it costs to get the model they want. Anyone else is just a speculator who buys a model and cracks it anytime it's value drops instead of increasing. Hence the whinging about the white wheel VK. If it gives a true collector the chance to buy one for a reasonable price, all fellow true collectors should be happy for them.

[1370]

Interesting sentiments, but the bleeding hearts brigade alone won't be able to keep the Australian diecast parties involved profitable. If you take out those who buy multiples, and those who do buy models to modify, swap or sell in the future, there will be a lot of unsold models kicking about.

What Jace said is correct. The seller can chose to sell as many as they like, even if they indirectly damage their brand by doing so.

[Damage]

What a whole load of whinning, if Biante want to release a white wheel version they can do so.

Do people on here buy looking for an investment or because they happen to like the model. :confused:

I buy because I love the cars I buy,the ones I don't want I don't buy. If the value increases that is a bonus.

If it decreases....... stiff, I don't plan on selling anyway :rolleyes:

Right on. I'm continually bemused/amused by people claiming to be serious collectors but who spend more time talking about the value of the cars they now own or potential value of ones they are going to buy. True collectors spend whatever it costs to get the model they want. Anyone else is just a speculator who buys a model and cracks it anytime it's value drops instead of increasing. Hence the whinging about the white wheel VK. If it gives a true collector the chance to buy one for a reasonable price, all fellow true collectors should be happy for them.

What a load of rubbish! How does a "serious collector" magically change into a "speculator" just because of mentioning a models current or future value. This is just conjecture, how is it that you are more of a "true" or "serious' collector just because YOU don't care what they are worth?

[SDK]

Let alone being "happy" that other true collectors who did not buy at release for rrp can now get one cheap.

Mr Minahan, if you read your post again you will see that you have contradicted yourself.

[pitcrew]

Right on. I'm continually bemused/amused by people claiming to be serious collectors but who spend more time talking about the value of the cars they now own or potential value of ones they are going to buy. True collectors spend whatever it costs to get the model they want. Anyone else is just a speculator who buys a model and cracks it anytime it's value drops instead of increasing. Hence the whinging about the white wheel VK. If it gives a true collector the chance to buy one for a reasonable price, all fellow true collectors should be happy for them.
It's not about the money or their value.
It's about Re releases with very slight variations and so close to the original release that's all. (same Vk with white hub caps):D.
Cheers

[HQGTS74]

There's nothing wrong with a collector wanting their models to be "rare" and "valuable". That does not make them an investor and not a "true collector":rolleyes:. It's good to know models we have in our collection are limited to the number printed on the certificate, so remakes could annoy collectors, which is the case here...

Chris

[A9L]

There wouldn't be too many collecting these cars if they did not have a numbered certificate certifying the amount made, they would just be like Burago or Hotwheels, and those type of collectors probably wouldn't spend $215 per car or buy a full Bathurst winning set, I like the exclusivity and the fact that I can say to the mrs, that such n such car is worth a bit these days (because if they where just sitting there depreciating they would be on the chopping block some weeks)

As for who is or is not a "true Collector" I know one thing I love my cars, I can be found just looking at them for hours, I would say im addicted, but I expect better from Biante this is not just about the VK Group A, its whats next!

Anyone that's new or doesn't give a dam if they make 20 thousand cars, or remake something should respect the fact that some collectors DO, because if you don't, CC and Biante are likely to do anything.......

[HQGTS74]

There wouldn't be too many collecting these cars if they did not have a numbered certificate certifying the amount made, they would just be like Burago or Hotwheels, and those type of collectors probably wouldn't spend $215 per car or buy a full Bathurst winning set, I like the exclusivity and the fact that I can say to the mrs, that such n such car is worth a bit these days (because if they where just sitting there depreciating they would be on the chopping block some weeks)

As for who is or is not a "true Collector" I know one thing I love my cars, I can be found just looking at them for hours, I would say im addicted, but I expect better from Biante this is not just about the VK Group A, its whats next!

Anyone that's new or doesn't give a dam if they make 20 thousand cars, or remake something should respect the fact that some collectors DO, because if you don't, CC and Biante are likely to do anything.......

Very well said, exactly what i wanted to say:)

Chris

[A9L]

Very well said, exactly what i wanted to say:)

Chris

Thanks Chris, I feel the end of an era coming, and my only hobby slipping away :(

[HQGTS74]

Thanks Chris, I feel the end of an era coming, and my only hobby slipping away :(

Well at least they're keeping release numbers down, so that should help things. CC is only making 1000 of the 1:18 HX GTS Monaro in Yellow. Most of the others are 3000+. Can't wait to get one of these

Chris

[Peter Minahan]

There wouldn't be too many collecting these cars if they did not have a numbered certificate certifying the amount made, they would just be like Burago or Hotwheels, and those type of collectors probably wouldn't spend $215 per car or buy a full Bathurst winning set, I like the exclusivity and the fact that I can say to the mrs, that such n such car is worth a bit these days (because if they where just sitting there depreciating they would be on the chopping block some weeks)

As for who is or is not a "true Collector" I know one thing I love my cars, I can be found just looking at them for hours, I would say im addicted, but I expect better from Biante this is not just about the VK Group A, its whats next!

Anyone that's new or doesn't give a dam if they make 20 thousand cars, or remake something should respect the fact that some collectors DO, because if you don't, CC and Biante are likely to do anything.......


As with most earnest discussions, no-one is right and everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you buy a model you want, and presumably you're happy to pay whatever price to get it, does it really matter if it's the only one in the world or a warehouse is full of them? Surely the quality of the model is more important than the numbers, which historically has been the problem with Burago and Hot Wheels. Even then, people sometimes buy a model of a certain car, as I have, and then upgraded when a better version was released. (eg: Dinkum XU1 vs Biante) The certified numbers mean nothing in themselves other than confirming that a number of bits of paper were printed with sequential figures on them as the number produced is normally well known and could just be printed on the box anyway.
Yadda Yadda Yadda............ back to waffle united...

[david5]

Wouldnt bother me if they didnt come with a certificate. Its a piece of cardboard that has no relation to the car the retailer sticks it in other than random chance.

David

[biante10294]

There wouldn't be too many collecting these cars if they did not have a numbered certificate certifying the amount made, they would just be like Burago or Hotwheels, and those type of collectors probably wouldn't spend $215 per car or buy a full Bathurst winning set, I like the exclusivity and the fact that I can say to the mrs, that such n such car is worth a bit these days (because if they where just sitting there depreciating they would be on the chopping block some weeks)

As for who is or is not a "true Collector" I know one thing I love my cars, I can be found just looking at them for hours, I would say im addicted, but I expect better from Biante this is not just about the VK Group A, its whats next!

Anyone that's new or doesn't give a dam if they make 20 thousand cars, or remake something should respect the fact that some collectors DO, because if you don't, CC and Biante are likely to do anything.......

Totally agree A9L, the latest $215 price tag is not exactly chickenfeed, so limited numbers and exclusitivity are important to true collectors.

[monarocveightz]

Wouldnt bother me if they didnt come with a certificate. Its a piece of cardboard that has no relation to the car the retailer sticks it in other than random chance.

David


Unless the model themselves have the COA# stamped on the bottom.......like the Perkins/Ingall C'dores....;)

[david5]

Unless the model themselves have the COA# stamped on the bottom.......like the Perkins/Ingall C'dores....;)

Ahh yes, but Im led to beleive that the COA for these models doesnt have the number on it, so an even more pointless piece of cardboard.

The number on the car becomes a build number not a "Certificate of Authenticity". Does it also have the total build number on the car ? Ive only seen it in shops & didnt bother to pick it up.

David

[Damage]

Ahh yes, but Im led to beleive that the COA for these models doesnt have the number on it, so an even more pointless piece of cardboard.

The number on the car becomes a build number not a "Certificate of Authenticity". Does it also have the total build number on the car ? Ive only seen it in shops & didnt bother to pick it up.

David

Oh, I was under the impression that the stamp on the car would correspond to the COA. I see the slideshow on the CC site has the Brock/Harvey #25 VH with a stamped number on the underside of the floorpan.

As with most earnest discussions, no-one is right blah blah...
Yadda Yadda Yadda............ back to waffle united...

Do you mean "Thats all from waffle united"? Hardly answers the question I posed regarding how you are more of a "real" and "true" collector just because you care less about release numbers, values and COA's than most of us. I now understand why you average 15 odd posts a year, it must be hard to write that amount without actually saying anything of substance.

This may sound like a personal attack however all you have really done is lob in here and tell us all how most of us are speculators, not collectors. Good on you Peter, for being such a true collector. You are surely above us all, we are worms.

[AmonFan]

I would hardly think post count means much ;)

As for the Certificates, if its like the 95 and 97 Bathurst Winners it will not have a numbered certificate, just the number on the base....

[Peter Minahan]

Oh, I was under the impression that the stamp on the car would correspond to the COA. I see the slideshow on the CC site has the Brock/Harvey #25 VH with a stamped number on the underside of the floorpan.



Do you mean "Thats all from waffle united"? Hardly answers the question I posed regarding how you are more of a "real" and "true" collector just because you care less about release numbers, values and COA's than most of us. I now understand why you average 15 odd posts a year, it must be hard to write that amount without actually saying anything of substance.

This may sound like a personal attack however all you have really done is lob in here and tell us all how most of us are speculators, not collectors. Good on you Peter, for being such a true collector. You are surely above us all, we are worms.

Sorry to offend those obviously far more knowledgeable than myself. I'll go back to my peregrinations and just continue to browse the Forum when I have time (rarely as a life does exist outside the world of cars) and need a laugh. Ciao and don't take it all too seriously.

[AmonFan]

Sorry to offend those obviously far more knowledgeable than myself. I'll go back to my peregrinations and just continue to browse the Forum when I have time (rarely as a life does exist outside the world of cars) and need a laugh. Ciao and don't take it all too seriously.

Don't go too far away mate... No doubting your passion and keep up the good work on the race track ;)
Like i say post count does'nt mean much :D

[bimmerboy]

One of my favourite football teams - Waffle United.

Play in the Gloustershire Pub League Division 3.

made it to the third round of the FA cup in 1926....

[ratster70]

I would hardly think post count means much ;)

As for the Certificates, if its like the 95 and 97 Bathurst Winners it will not have a numbered certificate, just the number on the base....


Yes to a degree thats correct the certificate isnt numbered but if you look at the booklet that comes with them there is a build number for both of these cars with the 95 being 4500 an the 97 being 3300

[AmonFan]

Yes to a degree thats correct the certificate isnt numbered but if you look at the booklet that comes with them there is a build number for both of these cars with the 95 being 4500 an the 97 being 3300

Thanks Ratster, i would'nt have known that ;)

[Leigh]

I don't like these discussions about who is or is not a "Genuine Collector", "True Collector" etc...I don't think I've fit under any of the definitions to date proposed by those more knowledgeable in these fields than me...

Ho Hum, I'll have to find another word to define my 600 scale models...

On the brighter side, it will make insurance easier as I will no longer have a "collection" LOL

[malscar]

I now understand why you average 15 odd posts a year, it must be hard to write that amount without actually saying anything of substance.

This may sound like a personal attack however all you have really done is lob in here and tell us all how most of us are speculators, not collectors. Good on you Peter, for being such a true collector. You are surely above us all, we are worms.

Sorry to say Damage but what you have posted is a personal attack on Peter. If you look through any thread, people on here (and on Classics) hit the manufacturers because they don't produce enough of a Holden or a Ford, then when they do, they get hit for doing it too quickly or the wrong one. In the case of the Blue Meanie and the Brock VK Sandown cars, yes they could have waited a bit. Surprising no one is mentioning how quickly the Skyline versions are coming out. Yes I know they are different teams/years, but the number of issues coming at the same time is getting to be a worry.(As this is on the work computer, I apologise if the post looses the paragraph spacings.)

[david5]

I don't like these discussions about who is or is not a "Genuine Collector", "True Collector" etc...I don't think I've fit under any of the definitions to date proposed by those more knowledgeable in these fields than me...




Have to agree there Leigh

[Leigh]

Have to agree there Leigh

Stop it, stop it I say...every so often people start agreeing with me...you know it only encourages me:p

[Damage]

Sorry to say Damage but what you have posted is a personal attack on Peter....

Yes Mal, I was aware of that and stated as such in my post. My interpretation of Peter's initial post in this thread was a personal attack also, by labelling a number of members on here as not being "True / Real" Collectors, but merely speculators. I took offence to that and I will make no apologies for asking what makes him so special or "real".

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this forum primarily for discussion / debate (whether heated or otherwise)? This old chestnut of value being unimportant, COA's meaningless etc etc is absolute crud, we all collect what we do for any number of different reasons and it does make any of us any less legitimate or passionate about our hobby.

If you (or Peter) have been offended, please feel free to hit the report button. My apologies for not sugar-coating my opinions.

[monarocveightz]

Ahh yes, but Im led to beleive that the COA for these models doesnt have the number on it, so an even more pointless piece of cardboard.

The number on the car becomes a build number not a "Certificate of Authenticity". Does it also have the total build number on the car ? Ive only seen it in shops & didnt bother to pick it up.

David

Whoops:o.......that is true David...

Although the Richards porsche by Autoart/Biante did have the number on the base of the car correspond to the number on the coa....

[david5]

Whoops:o.......that is true David...

Although the Richards porsche by Autoart/Biante did have the number on the base of the car correspond to the coa....

That is the only way it can have any real value. You then cant swap the COA without swapping cars as well. If they were all done this way I could see the relevance.

David

[Peter Minahan]

Yes Mal, I was aware of that and stated as such in my post. My interpretation of Peter's initial post in this thread was a personal attack also, by labelling a number of members on here as not being "True / Real" Collectors, but merely speculators. I took offence to that and I will make no apologies for asking what makes him so special or "real".

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this forum primarily for discussion / debate (whether heated or otherwise)? This old chestnut of value being unimportant, COA's meaningless etc etc is absolute crud, we all collect what we do for any number of different reasons and it does make any of us any less legitimate or passionate about our hobby.

If you (or Peter) have been offended, please feel free to hit the report button. My apologies for not sugar-coating my opinions.

I take no offence. As I've already said everyone is entitled to their opinion and I was addressing the topic of collecting generally, not having a shot at anyone in particular. If we all thought along common lines it'd be a pretty boring world (except we'd all be driving Ferraris).
If I've pricked anyones thin skin I apologise unreservedly. Cheers and enjoy life.........

[Maq]

Nah ah. A Supercharged 427 Cobra

[Oh Five]

Stop it, stop it I say...every so often people start agreeing with me

You should release a COA everytime someone does agree with you Leigh.. Now THEY would be a very collectable item:p

[Damage]

You should release a COA everytime someone does agree with you Leigh.. Now THEY would be a very collectable item:p

I'd be VERY interested to see Leigh's COA wording. Care to share a draft copy with us Leigh? :P

Would be something like:

This is to certify that this is whatever I say it is at the time and is subject to change without notice.

And Peter, yes mate, my thin skin was pricked and my delicate feathers extremely ruffled. I have been upset all day. Your unreserved apology is accepted by this speculator. I can not however, speak for the other bleeding-heart, easily offended softies (like me) that cry about posts on this forum.

[SDK]

If I've pricked anyones thin skin I apologise unreservedly. Cheers and enjoy life.........

I'll be alright I guess & follow your dreams Pete.....

[GPA_SS]

Wouldnt be too much of a rejig to do some VC & VH HDT road cars would it?

Cmonnnnnnn.......

at the time the 1:1 HDT road car got measured up i belive a red vh group 3 was one of the cars present but i'm surprised it hasnt been released yet

I'm still waiting for the 1/18 Group A/3, when you compare the spec to the silver and white vk group 3's the only thing you'd have to change is the external colour and engine block colour i cant understand why it hasnt been released yet :rolleyes:

i thought there were whispers of the VC HDT's being made soon?

theres been a major shift in biante from a passion for their cars to a mass money making outfit of late.. funny that