Sponsors on racing cars...

[tbgatos]

:cool:

Here again, I am raising this topic as I feel that it is worth mentioning...Tobacco advertising!

Q/ Admin, how will you release your 79' Brock A9X, with or without full sponsorship?

Why not classify it as a collectable instead of a toy when it is imported...I am sure that people would not mind paying more to pick up the exact model. Or release two variations of say 4000, one with and one without.

Q/ Who of you would like to see a similar type of labelling for Biante's, similar to the one Dinkums provide? For those who are not farmiliar with this Qstn...A decal of say eg: Marlboron is placed in the packaging and it is left on to the purchaser to apply them.

I am not looking for a political argument, only that there is a way to purchase these great cars with the full sponsors details (as raced)...The issue of paying the cigarrette company's anything for using there name's disturbs me a little, so maybe an inventive label could be placed at little extra cost...Marlow and borotone.






Bathurst cars rule!

[chups]

Ok this topic has been raised endless times but its still a good one. Firstly Biante will be releasing the brock cars without the tobacco decals from my understanding. although there will be alot of people that make up good quality ones for the cars. i think they should be classified as collectables or historic replicas but biante dont have the time to fight for it otherwise they wont have the time to make such excellent models. but if they were historic replicas they should be sold in a sealed box and shops wouldnt be allowed to display them which i wouldnt mind, but i honestly dont see it changing before the brock cars come out. so i suggest pick up a set of decals.

[ferrari fan]

Just for jour info ;The possition of biante has been made very clear on this forum before.
You can bet your bottom $ that the carmodels are going to come out as per the Australian regulations and LAW
If you want to modify your model then that is your right as long as you do this also within the legal room that is available to you
This subject realy has been put to bed and should be given a very long rest ,please.

[tbgatos]

Chups...I agree, it has been asked many a time and is worthy of a re-awakening.

To Ferrari fan...the topic which you say should be laid to rest is just that...a topic that may well awaken in 6 months time when these models are released!

And for your infomation...

It is of my opinion that as a collector, who feels that maybe the manufacturer may want to deal with it, or places no interest in this topic. I have the right to ask the question!


These are models I collect!!!

[SWRT]

The Brock Bathurst 79 A9X is also the 78 winner as well.
Will it be packaged as Bathurst 78+79 winner?
And will certificate be signed by Brock and Richo?

[brchi17]

Gee I'm glad Dick Johnson never ran cars covered in those nasty ciggy colours !!!!:D

At least we can collect his cars & have them reproduced in the true form of which they appeared on the race track.

All things aside, wheather with or without the cigerette sponsorship on the cars, at least someone is doing something about making these cars for us & their efforts should be applauded.

Unfortunately they have no choice but not to print the offending words on the cars because of a silly law, but don't blame Biante get stuck into your local polly if your not happy. Remeber we vote these clowns into their positions & if your not happy about this, then let them know about it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

cheers.

[Aussiecollector]

Solution / Suggestion for Biante.

1. Make the cars minus the logo's but ensure that the correct spaces are left.

2. Commission Marksman decals in North America to make the decals based on your specifications. Marksman already do excellent work with Marlboro decals for all of the Mclarens and Ferrari's

3. We the collectors can then purchase the decals from them at a decent price because they will have been commisioned by you based on a set number of models being produced and a percentage of us that will want to convert them, no laws will be broken and the decals will be precise as they will be as per your specs.

Please give this your consideration as these models will look stupid with out the correct liveries.

Glenn

[Leigh]

SWRT, The Brock A9X's of 78 and 79 are two completely different cars. There are as many differences between these as there are between the two XC's in the Moffat twin set. The only car (read chassis number) which may have won Bathurst twice (rumoured) is the Brock VH of 82 (05) and 83 (25) as Brock usually passed the car down in the next year, although this has never been confirmed.

Leigh

[tbgatos]

Hey Aussiecollector, about the commissioning of decals OS...has to be one of the better ideas going around...

In the end, I will source them locally if I can not get the authentic ones...I just hope the quality is ok.

Bathurst cars rule!

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by Aussiecollector
Solution / Suggestion for Biante.

1. Make the cars minus the logo's but ensure that the correct spaces are left.

2. Commission Marksman decals in North America to make the decals based on your specifications. Marksman already do excellent work with Marlboro decals for all of the Mclarens and Ferrari's

3. We the collectors can then purchase the decals from them at a decent price because they will have been commisioned by you based on a set number of models being produced and a percentage of us that will want to convert them, no laws will be broken and the decals will be precise as they will be as per your specs.

Please give this your consideration as these models will look stupid with out the correct liveries.

Glenn

Glen.

The correct spaces will be left as the model will be as accrate as we can get it in regards to the remaining livery. This is exactly the same as the '92 Skyline.

There are plenty of people in Aus who can produce decals so we don't need to go to the US to source them.

[tbgatos]

Thanks Richard...good to know that Biante may be looking into it.

Build them well as usual...

Tom

[SWRT]

I never Brock won the 82 and 83 races in the same car.
Skaife repeated this feat last year by winning the race in he car he won the 2001 race in.
Did Richards/Skaife win the 91 and 92 races in the same car or different Godzillas?
The A9X Torana the Dave Bowdin has won the 78 1000 but crashed out in the 79 1000 by Ron Harrop.

[ferrari fan]

Here we go; What constitudes a car?
This is the same issue as is with Confedetation Against Motor Sport called elligebility (Help spellcheckbook)
Is the shell constituting a car ,or all the running gear as well, or part there off .in open wheelers Frame etc
The engine and the suspoension of this winning car were most certainly not the samein both events. Here in lays the dillema in my oppinion.
DJR by the way did drive for the HRT outfit albeit once only.
In a hand me down from Peter Perfect:)

[tbgatos]

Ferrari fan...I would say the frame (body of the vehicle) constitutes the car. Engines blow up and the car will remain the same...F1 is true testimony to that rule!

Tom

[ferrari fan]

You might say this but the argument has been raging for many years now in the Racing fraternity
Eligebility is a difficult and complex issue ,so is orginality one could say
There is a lot of information and research gone into this very argument and a lot of fans/followers are maybe not aware of this. This is why every registered race car has a Logbook.

[Aussiecollector]

Many of this years VY racers will be VX racers with a nose job and tail.

Richard, Thanks for the reply, I hope you don't think I was being sarcastic with the spaces bit, want I was getting at was like the F1 cars were a bar code or other effect is used to simulate the marlboro word and the fact that your cars are printed this would be impossible to remove unlike the Minichamps ones. Also its good to know that you have contacts for the decals here is OZ, that should keep the costs down even further, I mentioned Marksman because I have never sourced decals from an OZ manufacturer I find marksman are the best for F1 for complete accuracies. So I and the other 599 forum members look forward to the possibility of being able to buy Biante commissioned decals for our collections, keep up the feed back.

Also can you give us the heads up on event cars for 2003 in both F1 and the possiblity of this format being used for the major V8 Supercar races.

Glenn

[v8coupe]

Don't know if this idea has came up before, most likely has.
Could biante or a model manufacturer for example, place a rating on the Box? Just like the video games, video's etc.
R18+ only to be sold to people over the age of 18.
And yes, the rating doesn't always work, as some places sell it regardless of your age.
I am 1 living in hope, that we will one day see the models made in full sponsorship.

[tbgatos]

I hope no one is tired of my views on this...at least we are on some ideas re: forbidden advertising on cars...maybe a card can be placed with each model, like that of the twin set plaques. That way people can choose if they wish to purchase an authentic cut to accurate sized decal sheet for the racer...mail order it!

Admin, what do you think of this prospect???

[terrine]

"its against the law"

is that plain enough

do you want biante to restrict the trade of cetain models to under the back counter naughty model shops or commence a legal challenge to federal legislation....maybe they can get what billion dollar conglomerates could not...i think not.

there is no reason this topic should keep resurfacing

get over it

r/peter

[Tumbo]

Everybody has a view on this.....so here's mine

We all want our cars to come with the correct decals. We all want to get certain cars for our collections. Unfortunately it is not always possible for this to happen. Biante do their best. they provide us with models that are "almost" true to the original, and also leave space for the decals to be applied, this is a lot better than some companies!

Some leave crap Marlo and Wext, and Best decals, meaning that to convert the cars is very difficult. i'm sure if a solution could be found that was legal, Biante would jump on it. Be thankful that they read these post and keep telling us about their position. they keep us in the loop. they look to see if a solution can be found. for now it can't but in the future there may be one. the problem with cigerette advertising on models, is that if u want to purchase these cars u must be over 18- well there goes the young collectors, of whom there are some. Let's just applaud Biante for what they do, and let sleeping dogs lie. If a solution is found Biante will surely tell us

Kepp up the good work guys
:D

[Aussiecollector]

Gees another Biantephile, do you guys get preference deals for all the cuddling that you do. We know who Biante are most of us have been dealing with them for many years so we do not need the good will to all speech every thread. Its a bit much.

Glenn

[admin]

Glenn, I don't think people are saying these things to suck up to Biante.
They, like me, apparently are sick and tired of this subject coming up every time a tobacco sponsored car is mentioned, or a new member comes on and suggests some idea or other to get around it.

The simple facts are this.

Pertaining to tobacco logos, IT IS ILLEGAL to:

Make a model car with tobacco company logos affixed
Make such decals and include in the packaging.
Make such decals specifically designed to be applied to said models.
To make an alphabet of letters so they can be cut out and make the words.
To advertise for sale, such models or decals, either totally or seperately.

Now before anyone says that so and so sell cans of soup with Marlboro decals hidden inside the lid, or some such stupid suggestion, I don't care what others do, that's their problem.

It is my Company's welfare that I am responsible for, and no models will be made with Tobacco advertising on.

QED

[Aussiecollector]

Trevor,
This is why I suggested they (decals) be made in a country with no issues about tobacco. This would allow us to buy them direct without any need for you to put them in the box of what ever else anyone has suggested.

Richard did reply but only to say WE DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE U.S. WE CAN GET THEM IN OZ, now your saying you can not because it is illegal to have such decals made for the application to your models. If this is the case then is my suggestion of having someone like Marksman in the U.S. make them not a valid option.

The issue will not go away until we know, we want the cars to look accurate, are you interested in supporting your customers with contacting a decal supplier or are we to organise it ourselves.

I look forward to your positve reply

Glenn

[admin]

Do it yourself..it's illegal no matter what country makes them, particularly the USA.
What Richard is saying, if you want to pay to get something illegal, you don't have to go overseas.

[ewanj]

It seems the law for being able to distribute models in all there glory with correct logos will not change, there are to many grey areas and not enough people making noise about it (apparantley).
A suggestion may be once you have purchased your model and have a photo of the actual car - take to someone who has the ability to cut and fit logos.
For instance there are a few shops in Qld : Diannes models, Model cars at palm beach, Gateway models and a few more who NOW HAVE camel sticker sets for moffats cars. The look fantastic and original when fitted. You may need to fit them your self.
Hopefully for holden fans the brock cars (malboro) will still be produced, these decals im positve will be available.

[admin]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!! I give up!!!!!!

[ferrari fan]

Good Night ,Girls and Boys ,Nice (and very longlasting)Dreams
Over and OUT.

[Aussiecollector]

If it was illegal in every country how is it that Mclaren have been able to sell west models up until this year and canadian shops and web sites sell decal sets like wild fire?

If you can not help, is it possible for you to give us the correct measurements for the decals and I will have them made in Canada or Australia and offer them to other forum members. All we want is for some enthusiasm, none of us serious collectors were asking you to make the cars with the decals as we all know the story, want we want is the ability to create correct looking cars with accurate decals and the only one with the correct precise measurements is you. Are you not keen to have the correct looking cars yourself.

Your assistance is required and would be appreciated.

Glenn

[oldxr]

Don't you people listen, biante will have nothing to do with the manufacture of tabaco sponsurship decals, if you want them source them yourselfs just as i have done for all my moffat falcons, they are not hard to find if you want them.
ENOUGH SAID.
THE END

[tbgatos]

To Richard, here is another stupid question...
What category allows Exoto models to sell in OZ with full tobacco sponsors? There is a way to import these cars.

Q/ So why is it illegal to race cars in Britain with tobacco sponsorhip and for the Mclaren racing shop to sell them online with WEST's sponsorship!!!

The argument may dead and buried in some minds, but there are as many others who believe that it is yet possible.

I for one would like to see the best results in the outcome of a model car... I am allowed to express my view, so grant me some respect!!!

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by tbgatos
To Richard, here is another stupid question...
What category allows Exoto models to sell in OZ with full tobacco sponsors? There is a way to import these cars.

There is no category that allows Exoto models to be sold with tobacco advertising, they just are. If the retailers wish to stock them then it is their choice. It is also their choice to pay the fines if anyone complains.

Q/ So why is it illegal to race cars in Britain with tobacco sponsorhip and for the Mclaren racing shop to sell them online with WEST's sponsorship!!! [/QUOTE]

As we are not in Britain or the McLaren shop we cannot asnwer that question.

The argument may dead and buried in some minds, but there are as many others who believe that it is yet possible.

I for one would like to see the best results in the outcome of a model car... I am allowed to express my view, so grant me some respect!!! [/QUOTE]

And so do we. Biante always strive to be as accurate as we can however when the laws of this country work against us we can only go so far before we hit a wall.

Everyone is allowed to express their view so please go ahead. I have never, and will never, disrespected anyone on this forum as all people and views are welcome.

As long as everyone knows, if there was a way to produce these models in full livery then we would go for it. I want the fully liveried models on my shelf just as much as you do. Failing that, I would rather one as close as can be legally made than no model at all.

[Aussiecollector]

Everyone is focusing on the models being produced with the decals, we know this can not happen, but what about some help with getting professional correct decals, we are not asking for Biante to make them just assist us the collectors / customers with the information that will allow us to obtain these, paid for with our own funds, no one will answer this question. Al I am seeing is the same we can not make them we will not make them, what about just assisting us in getting perfect decals.

Oldxr, good on you, if you have contacts that can produce the correct decals on a mass scale for all of us to share, offer the information to help all of us acheive the desired result. We are not knocking Biante or asking stupid questions as some of you would have us believe all we want is hepl in creating correct looking models. Ok it will be enough said when we all have Marlboro liveried Group C commodores.

Glenn

[tbgatos]

Enough said on my part re: this topic, appreciate the reply Richard...

I am with you Aussiecollector, if others can supply some details, please share them for those of us who are interested in detailing our collection of Great Aussie racers...looking forward with great anticipation of their release!!!

If anyone would like to email me where I can obtain them, I would appreciate the info; tbgatos@hotmail.com

Thanks
Tom