new car makers entering v8 supercars

[redss350]

just saw on the news that bmw and merc and another car maker could be in the v8 supercars series by 2012 they said due to money and sponsers and one guy said would help with fulling the slowly missing ford spots as the grid is getting smaller as said before will evently go the way of nascar.

[HRT-222]

I personally hope it dosn't happen, the Holden v Ford saga has been happening for many years and why fix something that dosn't need fixing???

I think it will ruin the series a bit imo

[brad]

what avesco should have done is say right, 15 holden and 15 ford slots..

[Maq]

Start another category. Ford and Holden have done the hard yards and spent Millions over the years to get the sport to where it is today. Why the hell should other makes get a free ride in. Should pay a min $10mill entry fee I reckon

[david5]

About time, can't wait, bring it on.

[fordmad17]

me either

[Chev_350]

just saw on the news that bmw and merc and another car maker could be in the v8 supercars series by 2012 they said due to money and sponsers and one guy said would help with fulling the slowly missing ford spots as the grid is getting smaller as said before will evently go the way of nascar.

How will this go the way of NASCAR? The cars are already very far removed from whats on the road.

[downhiller1979]

Ford vs Holden is ideal but if they are going to stop making Falcons then where will the competition come from?

[onfire]

i do agree ford and holden has spent plenty of money and effort in getting the v8 supercars where they are now, while i think its in the best intrested of v8supercars to make it even 15 holdens and 15 fords, if they cant do that then i think we should welcome other companys after all, not every 1 drives a ford or holden?

[racer69]

Start another category. Ford and Holden have done the hard yards and spent Millions over the years to get the sport to where it is today. Why the hell should other makes get a free ride in. Should pay a min $10mill entry fee I reckon

BMW, Nissan and Toyota were all willing to spend 'millions' and do the hard yards, but were told they were not welcome in 1993/94 (they let them run in '93 to fill the grid). Why should they have to pay anything, they weren't allowed to compete until now.

Its about time the grid was opened back up to other makes, as the series traditionally was from 1960-1992/3.

[Maq]

My statement answers your question. Permission has nothing to do with what F&H have put into it

[grease]

If they want more people to attend they just might have to open the eligibility up to let more entries in. Opening it up will create bigger entry lists which will create more excitement as there will be more biff and barge but that will mean more laps under the safety car and a higher damage bill for teams so there are some pro's and con's of doing that.

[El Cheapo]

About time, can't wait, bring it on.

Agreed.

The Ford v Holden thing died a long long time ago (when they were actually Fords and Holdens). Time to move on to the next phase.

[skaifeyfan2]

Agreed.

The Ford v Holden thing died a long long time ago (when they were actually Fords and Holdens). Time to move on to the next phase.

the thousands of yobbo's that abuse you for wearing Holden/Ford gear as you walk past them at the v8s beg to differ ;):p

[El Cheapo]

the thousands of yobbo's that abuse you for wearing Holden/Ford gear as you walk past them at the v8s beg to differ ;):p

Those yobbo's can go suck a kumara as far as I'm concerned Si :p I wear the apparell for the drivers, not the badges.

[david5]

the thousands of yobbo's that abuse you for wearing Holden/Ford gear as you walk past them at the v8s beg to differ ;):p

Another good reason to bring in more marques, help raise the tone of the paddock.

[fastboysmith]

it will take while before people start supporting them, it will be awhile before someone puts a merc flag on top of the mountain

[wayno]

I'd happily follow an Audi team but BMW and Mercedes suck. :freak:

[Leigh]

What money have Holden and Ford spent on developing the series? I thought all their money was funnelled into sponsorship deals with teams, which would exist however many manufacturers there are!

What compensation did Nissan, Toyota, BMW, Audi etc receive for the money they injected into establishing professional motorsport in Australia that was then hijacked by Holden and Ford to become V8Supercars?

In a time of financial difficulties acroos the globe, it makes sense to broaden the business plan to be inclusive rather than exclusive and maintain a category rather than watch it become a 4 team category...

[david5]

What money have Holden and Ford spent on developing the series? I thought all their money was funnelled into sponsorship deals with teams, which would exist however many manufacturers there are!

What compensation did Nissan, Toyota, BMW, Audi etc receive for the money they injected into establishing professional motorsport in Australia that was then hijacked by Holden and Ford to become V8Supercars?

In a time of financial difficulties acroos the globe, it makes sense to broaden the business plan to be inclusive rather than exclusive and maintain a category rather than watch it become a 4 team category...

I'm always a little disturbed when you make perfect sense to me :rolleyes:

[Leigh]

I'm always a little disturbed when you make perfect sense to me :rolleyes:

:p:p

Or did you mean:

I'm always a little disturbed

LOL

[VXfan]

I'd happily follow an Audi team but BMW and Mercedes suck. :freak:
I'm happy to see Murph back in an Audi again eh?:cool:

[david5]

:p:p

Or did you mean:



LOL

All of the above. ;)

[malscar]

I agree David, it is a worry when Leigh makes perfect sense. As to you being disturbed, that was always a given, your on here.:p

[david5]

I agree David, it is a worry when Leigh makes perfect sense. As to you being disturbed, that was always a given, your on here.:p

Yes, a prerequisite for here. Read UC at the papershop this morning, I don't know about there Mustang guys.;)

[ITGRIPS]

bring it on... i might actually start watching it again if they do introduce more manufacturers!!!

Holden Vs Ford only is uterlly boring!

[wazza002]

About time too, I hope to see some action on the track again :D

[Robert Murphy]

:)Bring them in as fast as we can I say.
More cars more sponsors more fun.

[brchi17]

my only concern with adding new manufacturers to the series is with all the cars being essentially the same the racing is not going to improve, just some different sponsors entering the sport......

[sleepy]

I dont think anyone has realised yet that eventually there will only be a few races in australia (or even less) as the series goes more world wide (germany etc) dont forget its all about making money for the promoters etc and there is more of that to be made outside australia.

[fastboysmith]

I dont think anyone has realised yet that eventually there will only be a few races in australia (or even less) as the series goes more world wide (germany etc) dont forget its all about making money for the promoters etc and there is more of that to be made outside australia.
hope not that means more world wide drivers and less chance for upcoming aussie drivers to get drives

[spolyhronidis]

Opening it up will create bigger entry lists which will create more excitement as there will be more biff and barge but that will mean more laps under the safety car and a higher damage bill for teams so there are some pro's and con's of doing that.
i don't know that opening up the series to other makes will actually increase the grid. i think they will more than likely just take over existing teams. i'd still like to see it though.

[brchi17]

i don't know that opening up the series to other makes will actually increase the grid. i think they will more than likely just take over existing teams......

this is my gut feeling on the subject

[Chev_350]

i don't know that opening up the series to other makes will actually increase the grid. i think they will more than likely just take over existing teams. i'd still like to see it though.

Well Tony C has always said he wants to only have 28 cars in the main game.

[monarocveightz]

Start another category. Ford and Holden have done the hard yards and spent Millions over the years to get the sport to where it is today. Why the hell should other makes get a free ride in. Should pay a min $10mill entry fee I reckon

Maq - Whilst yes Holden and Ford have invested a lot of money....they're not the only ones who have got touring cars to where it is......There were a lot of manufacturers who helped in the 60's....and throughout Group C & A....for touring cars to become popular here in Australia.....

I think adding new manufacturers will be better for the sport...so I say Bring it on!

[VXfan]

Not sure why Holden and Ford think they 'own' the series.The winning driver still gets the ATTC trophy.That's 'A' for Australia by the way and last time I looked,Toyota was doing a damn sight better job at selling aussie-made cars.....
Does the BTCC insist on British cars? ......hang on,they don't have a car industry anymore,doh! Anyway,I really shouldn't post after hitting the JD as I waffle on and on and on and on......:p

[brchi17]

Tony, I think the ATTC title was shelved quite some time ago, as it's been referred to as V8SC Trophy for several years now.

[david5]

Tony, I think the ATTC title was shelved quite some time ago, as it's been referred to as V8SC Trophy for several years now.

No, the winner gets both.

[Andrew]

Bring on more manufacturers. I currently don't watch it because of the Ford/Holden thing, but with more manufacturers offering a bit of variety, I'll start tuning in.

Mercedes as a potential entrant has surprised me somewhat - I didn't think they'd be a natural fit for the category but I guess if they want to get maximum Australian motorsport TV exposure, why not?

I don't understand the closed off isolationist attitude.

[Pug205]

I don't understand the closed off isolationist attitude.

Neither do I Andrew.

If someone loved a particular manufacturer so much wouldn't they want to see them take on and beat the worlds best? :confused:

That to me is real bragging rights not we won a race we had 50% chance of winning (or 66% now if your a Holden fan).

[Pulse Red]

Would be great to see other makes in the Touring Cars. I dont really watch the V8 Supercars, I find the whole Holden vs Ford thing boring despite owing a Holden. Mercedes, BMW and Audi, or Toyota, Mazda and Nissan or all of the above would make a great change for the series.

[Leigh]

Tony, never heard of an ATTC before! The champion of the V8's gets awarded the Championsip Cup by VESA (not the ATCC). VESA makes the rules for the category. CAMS then award the ATCC to the championn of the V8Supercars, but they don't make the rules of the category...

[Leigh]

Without other rule changes, allowing new manufacturers into the category can't change the racing or the number of cars on the grid!

Holden v Ford is boring but Merc v BMW under the same rules won't be? No maketh any sense!

They are lumps of metal guys, the badge means nothing with the rules the way they are! That is not a problem for racing.

More manufacturers will mean more money being plowed in and more audience potential.

Oh and the money filters back to the owners of VESA...TC is only an employee, 'tis others who own the category...some of which are the ones who specified h v f and have been the ones who have plowed their hard earned in...only one left now (although technically it's only half) and these guys are your idols...

[ViperSRT10]

I guess we don't like the idea of new manufacturers entering the series because we have fear of being beaten. Remember Bathurst 1992? I personally disliked the ATCC during the late 80's due to the fact it was the time when Sierra's ruled the roost and the early 90's was Nissan's time to shine and of course being a Holden fan, all we had were underpowered VL's waving the flag. But my opinion has changed after seeing the Aussie Racing Car series with the Toyota Aurion in the field; (yes I know it is a totally different field and type of car). The point I'm trying to make is the V8 Supercar series today is somewhat similar to the Nascar Sprint Cup series in terms of the way the cars are manufactured and engineered for the category of racing. So anyone who believes their road cars are the same as V8 Supercars is a long way off, so for Toyota, Mercedes or BMW or whoever to enter, can only mean an overall increase in the appeal of the sport given they are not road cars, but cars prepared under the guidelines of the sport.
Imagine if F1 only had Ferrari and McLaren, Nascar Ford and Chevrolet? Just look at how boring WRC has become with only Citroen and Ford, so in my opinion we need to open up the field in V8 Supercars.

[fastboysmith]

can't see many other makes coming in because a lot of teams are going to stay loyal too either ford or holden

[Leigh]

can't see many other makes coming in because a lot of teams are going to stay loyal too either ford or holden

That's what Ford thought about 888 too...the loyalty is only as strong as the $$$.

[david5]

That's what Ford thought about 888 too...the loyalty is only as strong as the $$$.

Thats right, would you rather be 3rd or 4th in the pecking order with Ford/Holden, or top of the heap with Merc/Hyundai/Toyota ??

[downhiller1979]

I think if any other car maker should enter a model into the series, it should be V8 powered and a similar sized car. The sound of the V8's and the close racing is what makes the series.

[Leigh]

Size, dimension and weight of car, engine etc is standardised across the category. Neither the Falcon nor Commodore badged race cars are the same dimensions nor weights as the road going versions that use a similar bonnet and bootlid...

Unless there are wholesale changes to the rules of the catgory, you just need to unbolt the Commodore or Falcon looking panels and bolt up whatever to replace them!

[El Cheapo]

I saw in an article saying AMG would 'do' their own engines.

"And new engine eligibility rules mean the Germans could run sophisticated multi-valve V8 engines. Simple but effective 5.0-litre push-rod units are currently employed by Ford and Holden V8Supercars."

[Chev_350]

I think if any other car maker should enter a model into the series, it should be V8 powered and a similar sized car. The sound of the V8's and the close racing is what makes the series.

It is V8 Supercars, its safe to say any new car will be a V8

I saw in an article saying AMG would 'do' their own engines.

"And new engine eligibility rules mean the Germans could run sophisticated multi-valve V8 engines. Simple but effective 5.0-litre push-rod units are currently employed by Ford and Holden V8Supercars."

Its sounds like they would use their 4.0l DTM engine, runs a similar power to the 5.0 Ford and Holden engines.

[rex555]

Maybe run air inlet restrictors like they do on rally cars to even up the performance? Still a long way from the best mousetrap being the victor on the day. But Nissan tried that and look what happened.

[bortall]

People shouldn't assume the Ford/Holden engines wont change to multi valve, etc also. As they already have no relationship with road going engines now anyway.

[downhiller1979]

[QUOTE=Chev_350;389756]It is V8 Supercars, its safe to say any new car will be a V8


Yes it is the V8 Supercars but it hasn't always been. Maybe in a few years it will just be the Supercars, Australian Touring Cars etc.

[bimmerboy]

Being cyncical about this “story”, I cannot believe how many people have been sucked in by it.

It conveniently appears in the press just days before the first domestic round of the series, and initiates plenty of media coverage for the event and series…….

Someone seems to have heard about Mercedes (AMG) building a V8 ride car for Australia, and put two and two together and added it up to about eleven !

While Mercedes is open to the idea of racing sports sedans (DTM), it has just spent a big wedge on an F1 team & driver. So is not going to spend on a little series down in Oz. And the company is not making any money at the moment. That goes for the dealers too – so I can’t see them funding anything.

Same goes for BMW. They have stayed out of the DTM because of it’s “sports sedan” nature. They’ve backed off on their motorsport spend in favour of their “efficient dynamics” programme, so V8 supercars is hardly likely…..

And unless the car of the future will have modern engines and proper independent suspensions, neither manufacturer will even look at it….

As I said, it’s a good story – but that is exactly what it is….

[vr-x3500]

I know Toyota have got more dramas than they know what to do with at the moment and motorsport is probably the last thing on their mind but they have a car which is sold in this country by one of their subsidiaries at their disposal. Its a sedan, a 5.0L V8 and is also rear drive but is directed at the higher end of the market also unsure of it dimensions and whether it will fit into the soon to be released COTF. Lexus ISF anyone :cool:

[Graeme]

Lexus ? ... what about Hyundai or Kia ? ... these are the latest suggestions following factory indifference on the part of Mercedes-Benz and BMW.

Check out this link report :

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/50010/v8sc-mercedes-benz-and-bmw-rule-out-factory-backed-v8-supercar-teams


As for Toyota, call me cynical, but if your company had just invested lots of dough - including millions of federal government dollars - on developing and manufacturing Australia's most fuel efficient production saloon car, what on earth would possess you to clone it as a raucous 5.0 litre V8 mega E85-burning racing machine ?

[commanderwhite]

Nah won't happen - every car maker around the world has either financial problems due to the GFC or are recalling cars with faults so to expect them to spend more money to enter the V8's is IMO remote.

As to the size of the grid that idiot Cochrane seriously needs to look at himself in regards to only having 29 entries - it' a bloody joke! He got on V8Xtra last year & stated that there were plenty of people wanting to put cars on the grid with new sponsors yet he & his board restrict the entries?????

[david5]

Being cyncical about this “story”, I cannot believe how many people have been sucked in by it.

It conveniently appears in the press just days before the first domestic round of the series, and initiates plenty of media coverage for the event and series…….

Someone seems to have heard about Mercedes (AMG) building a V8 ride car for Australia, and put two and two together and added it up to about eleven !

While Mercedes is open to the idea of racing sports sedans (DTM), it has just spent a big wedge on an F1 team & driver. So is not going to spend on a little series down in Oz. And the company is not making any money at the moment. That goes for the dealers too – so I can’t see them funding anything.

Same goes for BMW. They have stayed out of the DTM because of it’s “sports sedan” nature. They’ve backed off on their motorsport spend in favour of their “efficient dynamics” programme, so V8 supercars is hardly likely…..

And unless the car of the future will have modern engines and proper independent suspensions, neither manufacturer will even look at it….

As I said, it’s a good story – but that is exactly what it is….

Your probably right but it gives us something to talk about.

[rex555]

Could you imagine how fast those Toyotas would be though? What with their accelerators sticking to the floor :D

[smokey_dj]

i can see the crompo skaife commentary now

skaife "whoa look at him through the chicane didnt even touch the brakes absolutly flat out 110% committed to this lap that was absolutly unreal"
driver on team radio "the accelerators jammed the accelerators jammed!!!!!"

crompo mummbles something useless :p

[VE II]

i can see the crompo skaife commentary now

skaife "whoa look at him through the chicane didnt even touch the brakes absolutly flat out 110% committed to this lap that was absolutly unreal"
driver on team radio "the accelerators jammed the accelerators jammed!!!!!"

crompo mummbles something useless :p

lol. you forgot to mention at the start... and the end:
"It's on for young and old!" :p

[Andrew]

Could you imagine how fast those Toyotas would be though? What with their accelerators sticking to the floor :D

Meanwhile the Holdens run out of fuel due to fuel leaks..... ;)

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/holden-recalls-9000-cars-20100317-qfa5.html

[lionking]

An article i found today... Another pic of Hyundai V8 racer

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2010/large-passenger/hyundai/hyundai-v8-racer-jumped-start-18731

[8hype]

this is quite interesting.chrysler the most likely
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?cmp=nl_wwo s_29march2010_15&mch=newsletter&id=1033281

[cobra1978]

JOHN GOSS RACING and JAGUAR its already been done once could it happen agen i think so as long as he leves walkinshaw out of it

stay tuned

[david5]

JOHN GOSS RACING and JAGUAR its already been done once could it happen agen i think so as long as he leves walkinshaw out of it

stay tuned

Leave TW out, doesn't he want to go fast ??

[commanderwhite]

I have no problem with more makes in the series but what I do have problem is the fact that idiot Cochrane still insists on only 28 entries.

If they are going to bring in more makes the grids should be bigger - lets get back to 40 cars at each round then we might see actual racing in each race.

As for more rounds overseas than if V8's are going that way I will not attend the V8's only Bathurst & spend my hard earned on Production, Sports & Historic racing.

[tigerpete]

this would be nice but i don't think it will ever happen http://i39.tinypic.com/2nb9h8h.jpg

[monarocveightz]

I think Chrysler are supposed to be replacing or updating the 300C somewhen soon too?

[Graeme]

JOHN GOSS RACING and JAGUAR its already been done once could it happen agen i think so as long as he leves walkinshaw out of it

stay tuned


Internet news quote :

"Under the new regulations for 2012 and beyond unveiled on Monday, the series will remain for rear-wheel-drive, four-door V8s only.

But the cars will no longer have to be Australian-made, nor have a five-litre engine - meaning the Holden-Ford duopoly may be over.

Other manufacturers will now be given leeway to adapt their cars to suit the category blueprint.

Holden has expressed concern the introduction of new manufacturers may actually send costs spiralling.

But five-time V8 Supercar champion Mark Skaife, who put together the Car Of The Future plan, said the changes were needed to ensure the survival of teams already competing and the sport's continued growth."



Four doors, V8 engine, rear wheel drive ... yeah, maybe a Jaguar XF ... and the road car now sports amongst many engine choices a 5.0 litre V8 (supercharged on the XFR).

[monarocveightz]

Four doors, V8 engine, rear wheel drive ... yeah, maybe a Jaguar XF ... and the road car now sports amongst many engine choices a 5.0 litre V8 (supercharged on the XFR).

I like your thinking a lot Graeme;)

[fastboysmith]

they should have a rule where they must produce these engines in road going cars imagine the power wars between holden and ford then

[louieate8ate]

they should have a rule where they must produce these engines in road going cars imagine the power wars between holden and ford then
We had that in the early 70's, and it turned to crap,didn't it?? :(

[Chev_350]

I think Chrysler are supposed to be replacing or updating the 300C somewhen soon too?

Should be updating it soon,

Although I'd like to see them bring the Charger to Aus

http://www.cargurus.com/images/2009/11/14/13/56/20 10_dodge_charger_sxt-pic-7003707570987402330.jpeg

Dodge would be the best fit, they aready have access to a race ready motor with their NASCAR motor.

[Graeme]

I like your thinking a lot Graeme;)

Jaguar seems to be on a bit of a roll at the moment, supporting American Le Mans Series through their involvement in JaguarRSR, and creating a mentor-type entity known as the Jaguar Academy of Sport.

The RSR XKR GT is production based, so perhaps it is more like Group A than current V8 Supercar, but the specs do sound familiar :

http://www.jaguar.com/gb/en/#/experience/jaguarrsr/ car

[glenac05]

As long as new manufacturers race under our rules. V8SC is such a successful category, tho a little boring at times, we dont want to change rules to suit someone else.
We dont need Group A again.

[Graeme]

As long as new manufacturers race under our rules. V8SC is such a successful category, tho a little boring at times, we dont want to change rules to suit someone else.
We dont need Group A again.

The big issue with Group A was the reliance upon the car manufacturers to build a road car that could acquit itself as a competitive race (touring) car ... the way that V8 Supercar seems headed, actual manufacturer support may not be a necessity ... but their dollars would be nice !

[HQGTS74]

I'd be really put off to see a Hyundai racing with the Holdens and Fords.:(

[Buffalo]

Should be updating it soon,

Although I'd like to see them bring the Charger to Aus

http://www.cargurus.com/images/2009/11/14/13/56/20 10_dodge_charger_sxt-pic-7003707570987402330.jpeg

Dodge would be the best fit, they aready have access to a race ready motor with their NASCAR motor.


The Challenger ( http://www.dodge.ca/en/challenger/ ) is much nicer looking than the Charger but I guess being a 2 door it doesn;t qualify :(

[Holdennumber1]

I'd be really put off to see a Hyundai racing with the Holdens and Fords.:( Me too.... and even more if it won a race.
I'd rather it stay like it is now but if anyones gonna enter, hopefully its Nissan. A Jag wouldn't be bad though.:)

[Mixalis]

I love the new CoF rules coming into play, should make the racing heaps cooler. With other manufacturers joining though, i dont know what i really want. From the 29 licenses available they should give Holden and Ford there fair share of licenses before other teams come in. That way we still have the classic rivalry in the game and dont run the risk of the field being entirely taken up by other manufacturers...

For eg, 12 Ford licenses, 12 Holden and the rest available for other manufacturers wanting to come in...

[glenac05]

New manufacturers coming to V8SC will be fantastic for Australian motorsport. Will make those OS races actually worth something. Especially if there. Japanese teams, brings the likelyhood of a Japanese race.
And the timing could not be better with 2 Japan manu's just pulling out of F1. Touring cars just could be the answer.
As long as it is them coming to us, and racing to our rules. Im sure there will be some rule juggling to make it easier and more feasable for international manu's to come aboard, but lets not give away the whole shop.

[Andrew]

Weren't the Super GT in Japan and Deutsch Touring Car Championship looking at aligning rules to make both categories competitive should they ever meet on a track together?

[tigerpete]

from this weeks auto action http://i44.tinypic.com/33ld1g4.jpg

[brchi17]

New manufacturers coming to V8SC will be fantastic for Australian motorsport.....As long as it is them coming to us, and racing to our rules.....

That to me is the big thing!
I see no problem with other manufacturers joining the sport, provided the rules are not modified to suit. I like the idea of looking to the Daytona Prototypes for their engine parity program and Nascar appears to have a working one as well. I think keep the V8 is going to be the main focus, whether it's a small capacity multi-valve unit or large pushrod I don't see either being a problem. It could give the new cars enough difference to create some more passing with each engine having different characteristics.

[Graeme]

"Key production body panels such as roof, bonnet and boot, and side frames will be mounted on a common control chassis and roll cage."



I'm not sure how a common roll cage can accommodate a variety of body shapes if indeed manufacturers' key production panels are retained. Also, I imagine that some cars might require 'a stretch' to comply with standardised wheelbase and track measurements, much as the Commodore was required to undertake 'a chop' with the introduction of the VE model into V8 Supercars.

If the organisers were to standardise a single V8 powerplant - similar in concept to control tyres and control gear/diff ratios - then that might help cap expenses and also do away with the necessity for car manufacturers to be directly involved in the Series. Think perhaps along the lines of drag racing Funny Cars, where you take a chassis and throw over whatever body takes your fancy, so long as it can conform to basic dimensions.

I guess this also sounds a little too similar to NASCAR, which for whatever reasons remains as popular as ever in the good ol' US of A.

[TAG05]

Also, I imagine that some cars might require 'a stretch' to comply with standardised wheelbase and track measurements, much as the Commodore was required to undertake 'a chop' with the introduction of the VE model into V8 Supercars.


The FG has also undergone a shrink job, being shortened to fit Project Blueprint.

There is not too much of a Commodore or Falcon in either of the V8 Supercars of today, nor has there been many similarities other than the body shape for a lot of years now.


Motorsport is a constantly evolving beast, and if it stops this evolution is when the sport dies.

The V8 are the premier category in this country, and will continue to be so. I am looking forward to CotF and any new manufacturers that may wish to come and play!

[david5]

The V8 are the premier category in this country, and will continue to be so.

It's a worry when a 68 year old man in a 34 year old car can lap PI 3.5 seconds quicker than our "premier category"

[gab73]

It's a worry when a 68 year old man in a 34 year old car can lap PI 3.5 seconds quicker than our "premier category"

Thats why you won't see them support supercabs.

[Maq]

It has been said that a new manufactuer can use an existing powerplant (ford or holden). I do not mind hyundi or whoever being on the grid but I would be peeved if the come in and win with someone elses engine. Build your own or do not play.
My 2 cents +gst

[louieate8ate]

I am an Australian V8 fan.Ford/Holden doesn't matter TOO much,more of a driver/team supporter.Tolerated Moffs Mazdas but lost interest in ATCC/Bathurst when the Sierras, BMWs Skylines arrived.I hope it doesn't happen again.Only my thoughts on this topic.

[david5]

I am an Australian V8 fan.Ford/Holden doesn't matter TOO much,more of a driver/team supporter.Tolerated Moffs Mazdas but lost interest in ATCC/Bathurst when the Sierras, BMWs Skylines arrived.I hope it doesn't happen again.Only my thoughts on this topic.

Was that because they beat the Fords & Holdens ?

[racer69]

I'm all for new manufacturers, but not this "spec sports sedan" CotF that has been announced.....(thats not a slight on Sports Sedans, i love them, but why are we evolving what was once touring cars further into an effective copy of these rules)

[louieate8ate]

Was that because they beat the Fords & Holdens ?
No not all,just a V8 fan.

[infinity]

Have no problem with another manufacturer at all be it Bmw mercedes hyundai kia or whoever.Can just see Roland Dane now telling the world at his mercedes or bmw press release how great it is to be coming home.lol.

[Chev_350]

Have no problem with another manufacturer at all be it Bmw mercedes hyundai kia or whoever.Can just see Roland Dane now telling the world at his mercedes or bmw press release how great it is to be coming home.lol.

Huh?

You realise Triple 8 has run the GM product overseas for many-a-years?

[infinity]

Huh?

You realise Triple 8 has run the GM product overseas for many-a-years?
Yes i know that,i was just being sarcastic.:rolleyes:

[00lowndes]

Yer maybe so. But remember Vodafone run on mercs overseas. So you never know. Maybe t8 with be Mercedes in 2013

[edy]

An article i found today... Another pic of Hyundai V8 racer

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2010/large-passenger/hyundai/hyundai-v8-racer-jumped-start-18731

Imagine if Hyundai did enter the sport.

I am sure they would offer their hotted version similar to HSV/FPV but probably a lot cheaper.

Would you buy one?

I certainly wouldnt. Got not street cred....

[hobby]

Toyota / Lexus are thinking about entering this competition,
as they say
No One will stop them!

[Graeme]

An article i found today... Another pic of Hyundai V8 racer

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2010/large-passenger/hyundai/hyundai-v8-racer-jumped-start-18731

I missed reading this linked article ... saw the YouTube reference and started digging around for more video footage of the V8 Superstar cars that race in Italy.

Take a look at the following private spectator video from Monza in March 2010. It contains a mix of GT class cars and the Superstar cars. If my eyes see things correctly, you'll see the following V8 powered 4-door sedan cars racing : Mercedes #54, Mercedes #18, Cadillac #24, Chevrolet (HSV E-series) #05, Audi #21, Mercedes #52, Mercedes #88, BMW #69, BMW #08 ... it does seem to be mainly a Merc versus BeeEm benefit ...

[Holdennumber1]

Imagine if Hyundai did enter the sport.

I am sure they would offer their hotted version similar to HSV/FPV but probably a lot cheaper.

Would you buy one?

I certainly wouldnt. Got not street cred.... I totally agree. Plus I can't think of any Hyundai that looks 1/10th as good as a VE or an FG. And instead of your mates glaring at your new HSV or FPV in jealousy, they'd be laughing at your little Hyundai with a body kit and some performance bits.:p

I also saw a Kia the other day with a Kia Special Vehicles sticker on it. Is that person trying to be cool or something or is there really a "Kia special vehicles?":confused:

[El Cheapo]

Isn't it the quality of the racing that is most important? Who cares about if Hyundai/Kia whatever don't tickle your fancy. They're a hell of a lot better than they used to be..

The 97-99 seasons of the BTCC are regarded by many as the pinnicle of Touring cars, and there were heaps of different makes and heaps of cars Joe Public would regard as being uncool in their road guises.

[Graeme]

Isn't it the quality of the racing that is most important? Who cares about if Hyundai/Kia whatever don't tickle your fancy. They're a hell of a lot better than they used to be..

The 97-99 seasons of the BTCC are regarded by many as the pinnicle of Touring cars, and there were heaps of different makes and heaps of cars Joe Public would regard as being uncool in their road guises.

I agree that the quality of racing is what counts, and I for one reckon that the mid-1990s BTCC SuperTourers were fantastic spectator events.

However, those cars weren't pretending to be anything other than what they were ... the basic architecture was related to what you saw down at your local dealer showrooms ... 2.0 litres, four or six cylinders, FWD or RWD or AWD ... all the same, but different too !

[bortall]

My opinion is WHAT A WASTE OF TIME.

Regardless of the manufacturer / sponsor the same teams will keep winning and losing as now, because whatever the body shape or motor the teams with the best engineers (and probably the most money) will still run away with it.

Most races in the past year or two have been dull and come COTF I can't see that changing. I HOPE IT DOES but I can't see it.

[singer]

My opinion is WHAT A WASTE OF TIME.

Regardless of the manufacturer / sponsor the same teams will keep winning and losing as now, because whatever the body shape or motor the teams with the best engineers (and probably the most money) will still run away with it.

Most races in the past year or two have been dull and come COTF I can't see that changing. I HOPE IT DOES but I can't see it.
No, there are many who agree with you however all I can see is the economics of Motor Racing continuing to spiral. Therefore IMHO we're going to see more of the COTF proposals.

Thats just my opinion

[edy]

Graeme - its a no no to post Youtube pics regardless of what type.

http://www.forums.biante.com.au/showthread.php?t=1 4329

[Graeme]

Graeme - its a no no to post Youtube pics regardless of what type.

http://www.forums.biante.com.au/showthread.php?t=1 4329

Thanks "edy" ... I'm not one for reading the fine print, nor necessarily following rules ... perhaps in part that's why I find myself out of work at present ?

[Graeme]

Graeme - its a no no to post Youtube pics regardless of what type.

http://www.forums.biante.com.au/showthread.php?t=1 4329

Thanks "edy" ... I'm not one for reading the fine print, nor necessarily following rules ... perhaps in part that's why I find myself out of work at present ?

Interestingly, it seems one can post a link to a carsales.com.au story which itself has a link to a YouTube video ... so, I guess there's sometimes a way to circumvent rules.

[murf]

G-MAN you know why your out ,like a certain roman many years ago who got the knife in his back.
thanks
Geoff

[Graeme]

G-MAN you know why your out ,like a certain roman many years ago who got the knife in his back.
thanks
Geoff

Hi there Geoff ... you know what it's like to have an independent mind.

Watch out for the Centurians !

[murf]

Sorry G-man remember mine was independent the change they tried to do was like going back to the roman times.
Is that from battlestar galactica
thanks
Geoff

[Graeme]

... the change they tried to do was like going back to the roman times.
Is that from battlestar galactica
thanks
Geoff

Not really ... I was thinking more along Monty Python lines ... remember Biggus Dickus ?

[infinity]

Yer maybe so. But remember Vodafone run on mercs overseas. So you never know. Maybe t8 with be Mercedes in 2013
Wouldnt suprise me in the least.I think the holden deal is only for 3 years so the time line would be just about right.Its a long shot but never say never.

[david5]

Not really ... I was thinking more along Monty Python lines ... remember Biggus Dickus ?

He has a wife you know......Incontinentia.....

[Graeme]

... I thought that was a place one inhabits in their twilight years.

[gab73]

Holden doesn't want any competition. http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/holden-warn-off-nissan-and-toyota-in-v8-supercars-powerplay/story-e6frecj3-1225847339646?from=public_rss

[vr-x3500]

Hardly surprising it came from Simon McNamara, Holden should pay this tool to keep his mouth shut.

[Chev_350]

personally I dont see any new makers entering the championship.

[david5]

I love the bit about "people dont buy these cars to race" what a joke, I bet there are more Zed cars & GTRs being raced all over the country than Commodores. Where did they find this guy ?

[rex555]

Next will be the threat to hold his breath until he turns blue, if he doesn't get his own way. Maybe he's worried about the $ that someone like Toyota could bring to the sport if they decided to join in. After all, I doubt that there is any way that Ford or Holden could match that.

[monarocveightz]

Next will be the threat to hold his breath until he turns blue, if he doesn't get his own way. Maybe he's worried about the $ that someone like Toyota could bring to the sport if they decided to join in. After all, I doubt that there is any way that Ford or Holden could match that.

Toyota isn't much better off.....They've been given a massive fine in the US for their Accelerator & Brake faults.....let along the cost of recalling and replacing the parts....Would Merc/BMW/Audi/Jag/Hyundai/Nissan commit that sort of money to Australia though too?

But I agree.....McNamara is making Holden look bad IMO...

[brchi17]

making Holden look bad, or just marking their territory....agreed it's a very fine line as no one would want to allow someone into play which could threaten their 'leading' position ;)

[Graeme]

Letting in somebody new means shoving somebody aside, unless TC and his boys want to make more and more money issuing licences so that the field pumps out beyond 30 cars per race.

If they don't expand the field, then either an existing team will take on a new manufacturer ... or an existing team will sell out to a new manufacturer.

[tigerpete]

secret chrysler testing ground http://www.faberit.com.au/RXRally/Events/06/Mallee 1000/Andrew/3-100_2983.jpg

[1:43]

cool:cool::cool:

[Kashmir]

Doesn't look too aero efficient does it now:p

[Maq]

Who needs areo when good old fashioned weight holds it to the ground:p:D

[malscar]

Mallee 1000 entry

[Holdennumber1]

Doesn't look too aero efficient does it now:p Ah c'mon Daniel, the whole car is just one big air brake.;):p Plus the slower it goes on the straight, the less braking needed to go round the corner.

[tigerpete]

This is from the current edition of Auto Action - I have had to cut off some bits cos my scanner isn't big enough to scan the whole page ....



http://i43.tinypic.com/2ppjyq9.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/34t4f14.jpg
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[Maq]

Thanks for that. I may just have to get a copy. It sounds like a great series. I think ballest(weight) is an option they should look into. Having parity is fair but it looses the speed difference for great racing

[El Cheapo]

I see it sometimes on telly down here. The one problem it usually has is that some of the drivers are clearly not as fast as others (plus the commentry and broadcast for english audiences overall is pretty mehh). But overall, it's pretty enjoyable to watch. If V8 Supercars went that way, I'd be quite happy :D

Dean Fiore's Surfers co-driver Gianni Morbidelli races in it :)

[whitlam]

Might have to check it out while I'm over that way

[m-kart]

Already racing (a) Holden in that series too it appears (probably as a Chevy), the main photo on the second page, the Red car in the centre - that looks like a VE headlight!

[El Cheapo]

Already racing (a) Holden in that series too it appears (probably as a Chevy), the main photo on the second page, the Red car in the centre - that looks like a VE headlight!

It is ;) Debuted in 2008 iirc.

[spolyhronidis]

Already racing (a) Holden in that series too it appears (probably as a Chevy), the main photo on the second page, the Red car in the centre - that looks like a VE headlight!
it's a Lumina CR8 (Commodore) - see the bottom of the second column in the article.

[minh427]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5317874&id=302832409103

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5318132&id=302832409103

[FastRedCars]

Thanks for posting that link, Minh. Only vaguely knew about the series, and had no idea that it had a 3-car Chev(VE) team. As I scrolled thru the pictures, I was a bit shocked when one (Johnny Herbert's) popped on-screen with number 05 on the door !
And on another note, I for one would have no problem if V8SC's was extended to allow cars like these (as opposed to what was foreshadowed at the Car of the Future launch) - now I wanna see that Caddy racing here !

[fastboysmith]

was the number of the car given to them or did they pic that number