What penatly should brighty get for the Ambrose incident?

[SWRT]

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[MrHoldens]

Where is the button for none of the above

[chups]

i agree with mrHoldens, i dont think brighty did anything wrong. ambrose left emough room for brighty to fit down the inside before he(ambrose) tried to turn into pit lane, brighty didnt know ambrose was gonna go into pit lane.

[BATHURSTFAN]

Its a hard one, the only thing i don't undertstand is why Bright didn't back-off, it appeared as though he just kept going into Ambrose even after they went off pit entry and back onto the track, Bright just kept at it even when Ambrose went out wide.

[vt2envy]

Can't seem to find that none button either...Bright did nothing wrong..Ambrose gave no indication he was entering pit lane therefore Put yourself in brights position.you see a opening you take it..As for carrying on with it you may well find suspension failure was the cause..Looking at the replay this failure may have happened immediatly before impact as the car appeared to bounce up on the right hand front as if it had hit something or something had given way..no call would be fair

[BB]

Jason should have backed off into the corner as Marcus had track position. As for what happened after that is any bodies guess. I reckon Brighty had steering problems due to the damaged front right but Marcus was very cool in the post race interview. Put it down to a racing incident?

[admin]

Put it into perspective.
Race leader comes up to lap a backmarker.
Backmarker decides, after passing the beginning of pit lane, to pit.
Crashes into race leader, causing race leader to sustain broken steering.
Now...where is the "None" button!

[Xcesiv308]

Yep.. definately no penalty... but congrats to Marcus for great composure... True professional.... But then again,, he's a Tasweigan... :D

r/ Tys

[Esses]

Yeah, definitely a "Racing Incident". No penalty, & I'm not a fanatical supporter of either.
One thing that's annoying me is the Team Owners/Managers getting either all righteous (Stone Bros. after the "Incident") or going off the DEEP end (HRT after the Drive-Through) when most of the Drivers (Murphy, Ingall etc aside) can keep their cool. After the race, Skaife of all poeple simply admitted fault in pit-lane speeding. That impressed me, as he hasn't been noted for his humility in the past.

[GRPIII]

still having problems finding the none button
as for brighty backing off, ambrose didnt seem get off the throttle either & still kept trying to turn left (pitlane).

[SWRT]

Only 4 options are given in these polls so there would have been a "None" option if there were 5 poll options offered.
From my view Ambrose didn't pass the pit entrance and suddenly decide to pit,he was turning into the pit entrance and Brighty blocked the pit road forcing him into Brightys door and Bright should have given way instead of banging into each others doors for 300m and causing him to spin stuffing up a potiential podium finish for Marcos.
Definatly NOT a racing incident,when Ingall whacked Murphy they penilised him bad but when it comes to Holden drivers knocking the Ford boys off the track no penalties are given.

[Malik]

did anyone here Ambrose on the radio just after that contact?



"I'm spinnin in the rain.... spinnin in the rain...."


As Brock said when intervied..."Ambrose's indicator wasnt on signifying an intention to pit"

Bright came up behind him and attempted to pass on the inside which he is entitled to do.. Ambrose shouldnt have been playing hero trying to stay out there on slicks as long as he did killin all the cats and dogs that were on the track... look at all the bush bashin he did tryin to do another lap to get into the pits.

Bright came off second best in all the cos of the steering damage he suffered and if there hadda been a race restart then he most likely wouldnt have had the legs to finish let alone in second place...

Racing incident....

In this author's opinion... NO PENALTY!

what more should I say?

[mustang1966]

Question?

Does every car use an indicator coming into the pit?

Is it a part of the rules, that a car has to use an indicator? I have had a quick browse through the AVESCO rulebook and I can find nothing can someone please show me where the rules state this, please.

I remember from track days in the past, that we were told not to use an indicator. The reasons why I cant remember, as I was more interested in getting out and on track

To be perfectly honest was it Ambrose in the wrong? Or maybe to try a pass like that, while it was belting down with rain was a little ambitious.

I know Ambrose could have used an indicator to let the driver know behind him of his intentions. I guess it is easy to pass judgment from the comfort of a lounge chair.

From what I understand, Jason Bright has been cleared so I guess there is no use of a Kangaroo court.

The Mark Skaife incident when Greg Murphy was turned was interesting. Normally that would have gained the wraith of the race stewards (drive through), and a public blow up from Murphy (lets just think about last lap Sunday in Adelaide). Wonder why the change of heart from both parties. I will have to watch again today.
:rolleyes:

It was good to see Ambrose did not require the Kleenex either.

I think the Ingal incident at Adelaide, was a racing incident as well. Maybe Russell Ingal should be given back 3rd place.

Where are Warnie and Maysie, when I need them.

[drof]

I agree mustang, regardless of whether Marcus was going into the pits or not, it was Marcus's corner, Bright hit him in the rear tyre, doesn't the rules state that you have to be at the "B" pillar for the overtaking car to be in the right.

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[mustang1966]

Corect on the "B" pillar rule.

Ambrose was a little wide I will admit to that. I watched the highlights on Sports Tonight last night and there was not enough room for a car to pass with the room between Ambrose car and the grass. Unless of course the pass was going to be on the wet grass.

I am going to sit down today and watch the race again (this time with some beers) and I would like to see the whole incident again.

[Mark]

I alway find things are so much clearer with beers.
I also think that if a driver is in the wrong, dock him. If it has been decided that he is not, let him be.

As for Ingall, he was trying to stop and what he attempted was not totally silly. I do not look forward to the day where we see a ten meter rule seperating cars so nothing bad can happen.

[Aussiecollector]

Originally posted by SWRT
Only 4 options are given in these polls so there would have been a "None" option if there were 5 poll options offered.
From my view Ambrose didn't pass the pit entrance and suddenly decide to pit,he was turning into the pit entrance and Brighty blocked the pit road forcing him into Brightys door and Bright should have given way instead of banging into each others doors for 300m and causing him to spin stuffing up a potiential podium finish for Marcos.
Definatly NOT a racing incident,when Ingall whacked Murphy they penilised him bad but when it comes to Holden drivers knocking the Ford boys off the track no penalties are given.

What race were you watching?

Glenn

[Grubby]

I must agrre with the maority. No penalty.

Bright was trying to take advantage of a gap down the inside and Ambrose gave no indication that he was going to pit.

Ambrose was stuck turning left and from what the telecast said Bright basically couldn't turn left.

My 2 cents worth anyway

Grubby

[A9L]

yes i agree with the majority,if it was a true poll there would be a "none" button,Ambrose should have made his intensions clear ie indicator or move to the inside ready to enter the pits.

[Malik]

indicator or move to the inside ready to enter the pits.

I find that actually an interesting point that has been made... after rewatching the incident it does appear that Ambrose definately was not on the inside of the track and slowing for what at PI is quite a sharp little bend.. considering it was p***ing down rain and he was on slicks it seems strange where he was in relation to the pitlane entry and trying to slow down to turn..

I gotta say that I think from Bright's position behind and to the inside it may not have appeared that Ambrose was intenting to pit and therefore made it a possibility to pass on the inside of the corner..

then again as someone said its easy to judge from a lounge chair and seeing as none of us were in the drivers seat of the No 50 Team Brock car we dunno what Bright saw and was planning when Ambrose intended to pit..

In my opinion the SBR decision to pit ambrose came to late across the radio and ambrose made a lunge for the pits to late when he originally appeared to be on a line for a turn at the next corner of the track. Bright tried to come down the inside assuming ambrose was continuing on the track and ambrose turned in on him in an attempt to enter pit lane.

If the intention on SBR's part to have ambrose pit at that point ambrose, knowning he is driving a fast and heavy car on slicks and a very wet track, should have been further to the inside of the track and giving bright the room to the outside to pass without incident and continue the race.

[V8racing]

All good responses, I to watched the race from the comfort of my arm chair l think it might have been just a little hard to steer a race car in rain like that when on slicks (might be why he was a little wide on pit entry) but l also think if you knew the race leader, in front of you, was on slicks in that sort of weather he might just be heading for the pits thus putting him some 45seconds behind you. Any way getting back to the poll "Just a racing incident as was Ingall at Adelaide. Pushing the none button here and still liking the racing.:)

[BATHURSTFAN]

I agree it was a racing incident but i still think Bright, whilst having steering problems, should have braked earlier (after the initial hit) and not kept at Ambrose.

How many times do drivers use indictors for pit entry - not a lot, so don't blame only Ambrose for that one.

Why is it that the Skaife/Murphy incident seems to not get much attention from the officials ?

[SWRT]

yoy right BATHURSTFAN about the Skaife/Murphy incident that the officials didn't take much notice.
Murph didn't whinge about it either which is suprising since he winges every other time someone else hits him.

[Martin Thomas]

Yeah right, ford is ripped once again... Brights basically winning on slicks and decides to punt Ambrose because holden drivers will always get away with it. Ambrose is a great driver but makes a lot of mistakes AND, to his credit, admits to them. I think brighty was punished enough as he would have had first if it didnt happen. Ford fans, you ought to be happy, last year it would have been two fords crashing out handing the win to a holden....

[brchi17]

Mustang I argee with you on the Murphy/Skaife insident. Usually for something like that you would expect Skaife to get a drive thought. However I think in this case it actually helped Murph in the long run for the following reasons.

1. It put Murph back into clean air to press on with.
2. Murph was one of the first onto wets & gained a big advantage from changing to them.
3. Had the spin not taken place, Murph would have not been in the track position he was in when it started to rain & would have had to do an extra lap on slicks in the rain.

On the Ambrose/Bright insident, I think it was what they deem a racing insident. I would have expect Ambrose to have his indicator on if he was going to pit considering how wet the track was & the fact he was on slicks.

cheers.:D

[Malik]

ya know i just noticed there is alot of talk on here about how Bright should have maybe braked earlier then he did or he is in the wrong cos he kept the boot in and eventually spun ambrose around..

consider this though people...

Without watching the race again to check.... Bright came back out on the track the lap before after changing from slicks to wets cos of the rain.. the next time past the entry he has contact with ambrose that takes him across the grass and eventually spinning ambrose..

what about the fact that if I am correct Bright was out in cold rain on what was already a reasonably cold track (22 degrees I think was mentioned as track temp) and on cold tyres having only had them on for about a lap.. also adding to this is the fact the track is now wet as hell and therefore so is the grass they went across..

Has anyone thought maybe that Bright couldnt stop what was happening for the simple fact that he couldnt brake and couldnt slow down properly cos he was sliding along and didnt have alot of traction until regaining the track and a slower speed?

I mean its a 1.35ton dry weight car going quite fast on a wet track then wet grass on cold tyres...

[AmonFan]

I think we can put it down as one of those things, lol. For the record we dont need to indicate when we pit, we are supposed to either raise a hand (if in a openwheeler or kart) or many in sedans just pull to the side of pit entry and slow down. Having raced at the island in the wet i can tell you that that pit lane entry comes up fast, and given that mark was on slicks id say he was just in a bad place, he obviously wanted the car in the far left, but on slicks a vehicle has a mind of its own. As for the passing move, well not many actually try the move Jason did, i do remember James Brock trying it on Ian Jones in Group N and it ended in tears. Again, what do we say "thats Motor racing" hehe

[Moffat Fan]

Thank god most of you guys dont get involved the sport or sit in at CAMS hearings. There would be no drivers left.

A CAMS hearing after the event found there was no evidence to support either driver being charged with any breech of the rules!:(

[dgm1968]

If you run the coming together frame by frame when bright first contacts ambrose it is behind ambrose's left rear, so that certainly isnt the b pillar, and at that point bright's front left was on the pit entries white line so if the entry wasnt there he would have been on the grass, so much for there being room. I dont think I would have indicated at that point either because I wouldnt be expecting anyone to be passing me on the grass in the wet.

And earlier Steve made the point that Skaife should be praised for admitting that he was to blame for the pit speeding and I agree whole heartedly. Hopefully Jeff Grech will come out an apologize to all the officials he bagged and even suggested one might have been dumb enough to drop the speed gun, perhaps he would have been better off thanking them for not making him go through again for turning around Murphy. Maybe he should have been worrying more about his strategies, fancy bringing skaife in for his comp. tyre pitstop for slicks 4 laps before it rained.

good to see some excitement though
derek

[timbo333]

No penalty for Bright is the only sensible thing.

Shame for Ambrose (& me!) as I had him down to finish 2nd in the FINISHLINE comp, behind Skaife. I got Murph right in 3rd though.

Cheers,

Timbo.

[timbo]

Everyone has had an opinion, but does anyone know if a penalty has been given.

timbo

[mustang1966]

Timbo, no penalty was given as the stewards saw it as a racing incident.

I understand Jason Bright had a few things to say about Marcos Ambrose after the race as well.

Martin, I think you will find Jason Bright was on wets. I am sure he pitted on lap 48, the last lap for the compulsory pit window and changed his tyres onto wets.

The thing is Marcos Ambrose was still on slick and Jason Bright would have moved into 1 place.