Brock and Team Brock

[biante1948]

Has anyone else heard the rumour that Brockie is unhappy with the goings-ons at Team Brock that there could be a split next year between the two.
Any info would be helpful.:confused:

[brchi17]

Yea, this has been going around for a while (across the net) & is slowly starting to gather momentum......apparently PB is getting sick of someone using his name & repretation without allowing him to have a say in how things are done, within the team.

I wouldn't mind betting this team becomes PWR again next year ???

Also, it is belived that PB wanted one of the 3 TWR teams, but under the instruction of someome it is belived that none were sold to him.

I would mind guessing that with his following, if he was to start up his own team that HRT would not have the supportor base they have today. I'm sure someone out there is worried many would jump onto the real Team Brock - just look at how much interest his Bathrust run got last year & more improtantly how much Black TB product was sold over that week. I am lead to believe it was something like 3 to 1 of all other Holden teams combined.

I'm sure in time more will come out, but your right something at TB doesn't not sound right............................................. ..........but only time will tell.

cheers.:)

[wayno]

Just a wild rumour, but I heard the great man will have nothing to do with the Weel families team next year. A link with the K-Mart squad has been talked about in whispers. Only a rumour but could you imagine the marketing possibilities for K-Mart. It would be frightening!

[GRPIII]

maybe the brock weel spilt will be a good idea,
brock will have a hoard of suporters wherever he goes.
and whats the go with snr weels building aftermarket performance falcons, im sure the boys at holden wouldnt be to happy this, nor brock.

[Goodwrench3]

There is a LOT more to this than meets the eye. There would seem there is little doubt that Brock is unhappy with Holden at the moment. They blocked his ride at Bathurst with David Brabham and were against him becoming a team owner. If you believe what you read that is. But does Brock have the necassary finance to buy a team and it's franchises? I'd think not if the way he went about the arrangment with Nash in 2002 is any indication. Holden well remember that he owned the HRT-equivilent HDT in the 80's and managed to lose the whole thing. Your right - he's Holdens biggest name and I reckon thats the only thing Holden want out of him.

[Malik]

considering the Weel family is supposedly running "Team Brock" and have access to his selling power and such.. I think its pretty crappy that the only place the cars say "Brock" is on the rear wing end plates... ya cant even read them unless they in the pits!..


personally liked last years design... Team Brock splashed all over the car... I know I know sponsors and stuff like that ... but still..

he is Brock!

[spoonster05]

Mmm, it's all a bit strange that Holden are happy to have Brocky as the 'face' of Holden and racing factory backed (or sponsored)cars in Nations Cup (Monaro), Targa Tasmania (Monaro) and the Australian Safari (Rodeo) and yet don't want him involved too much in V8's.

[ferrari fan]

Maybe some of you will remember the letting go of a certain C.Lownse and this might fall in the same issue which was started with the same Chap and the "Polarizers"
Holden /GM do not want a bigger star than THEIR product/car.
Any body that gets past that point WILL get chopped and send into the boondogs.
THE REST ,i AM SURE, YOU CAN FILL IN YOURSELF.
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[amiers]

lets us all remember that mr Brock caused Holden a lot of heartache and they are not the most forgiving people in the world- i know!.. even when they brought him back to the fold in the 90,s it was really only for the Mobil money. so i dont think they want him loose on his own. which might i add i think stinks

[Rob]

Originally posted by Malik
considering the Weel family is supposedly running "Team Brock" and have access to his selling power and such.. I think its pretty crappy that the only place the cars say "Brock" is on the rear wing end plates... ya cant even read them unless they in the pits!..


personally liked last years design... Team Brock splashed all over the car... I know I know sponsors and stuff like that ... but still..



No still!!!

I am glad you liked the design, but the 2002 livery was actually only ever intended to be an interim design until a major sponsor was found to replace
the large Team Brock signage. But as history shows nothing was forth coming so it remained as is.

This lack of corporate support was a major reason for the original Team Brock collapse, as no major company was prepared to take a punt on what was essentail a poor level 2 outfit. Thankfully Betta came on board for the "new" Team Brock and are providing a budget in which the team can do the job properly. Therefore Betta deserve to be emblazoned across the car.

Tell me one team (with a major sponsor) that has replaced the naming rights sponsor with the name of the team??? Gee it's gone quiet all of a sudden. Why is this so?? Beacause no one is going to be stupid enough to forgo that kind of exposure when they are forking out the millions for the privillage.

This topic was raised earlier in the year and it's about time it was buried....
well until Team Brock Mk3 in 2004.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Rob
This topic was raised earlier in the year and it's about time it was buried....
well until Team Brock Mk3 in 2004.

So Rob, sounds like you've been busy working on some new decals then !!!!:D

Gee & I though silly season hadn't started yet.

Cheers. :D

[Donny05]

Is that Mk 3 or Mk 4 as Mk 1 was in '76 - '77 in the Torana's?

Cheers, Jason :D

[bortall]

So Rob, sounds like you've been busy working on some new decals then !!!!

I thought last years silly season was still going!!!! :D

[Malik]

Originally posted by Rob


No still!!!

I am glad you liked the design, but the 2002 livery was actually only ever intended to be an interim design until a major sponsor was found to replace
the large Team Brock signage. But as history shows nothing was forth coming so it remained as is.

This lack of corporate support was a major reason for the original Team Brock collapse, as no major company was prepared to take a punt on what was essentail a poor level 2 outfit. Thankfully Betta came on board for the "new" Team Brock and are providing a budget in which the team can do the job properly. Therefore Betta deserve to be emblazoned across the car.

Tell me one team (with a major sponsor) that has replaced the naming rights sponsor with the name of the team??? Gee it's gone quiet all of a sudden. Why is this so?? Beacause no one is going to be stupid enough to forgo that kind of exposure when they are forking out the millions for the privillage.

This topic was raised earlier in the year and it's about time it was buried....
well until Team Brock Mk3 in 2004.

Rob.. Im not saying that Betta shouldnt be splashed all over the car as they are a major sponsor (and thankfully they kept team brock alive)

all i am saying (you know.. my OPINION and all.. which I am entitled to) is that I liked last year's livery more then this years....I found it more appealing... and I don't PERSONALLY like the fact that the Team Brock part is only on the spoiler end pieces...

as for the topic being buried until whatever time... it doesnt matter how long ago it was brought up.. I had a personal comment to make.. I made it.. and will make it again next year if I dont personally like the new team brock livery (if TB even exists next year)

besides.. even with the betta all over the car I am sure somewhere could have had the team brock logo larger then the end plates...

[Rob]

Malik

I am glad you are voicing your opinion as too much these days
we are restricted in what we can and can't say, but I have long
since cared what the supporters thought about liveries, if I did
I wouldn't get anything done.

However, I take your point that it would be nice to see Team Brock somewhere larger on the car (ie as was on car #50 at the AGP) but
there simply isn't any room left on the car to put it other than where
it is and it's not down to me to make that decision.

Ok, let's dispell some myths about designing liveries.

One it's not a free reign as you would like to believe. Each sponsor like
Kmart or Castrol etc have guidelines on how the logo is to appear, what colour it can be in, what colour it can and can't appear on and so and so, which must be adhered to and which ultimately limits what you can and
can't do.

Also, race cars aren't a work of art, they must be able to be maintained
with as little fuss as possible. Teams don't want to spend more time
fixing the look of the car than actually preparing it to race. Therefore consideration must be given to where graphics cross over doors or
bumpers etc. An example, the 2002 HYL car was a nightmare for the
signwritters in comparison to the 2002 HRT car.

Each area on a car also has it's own money value, so you just can't place
a certain logo anywhere. They all have there place. All this and more has to be taken into consideration when designing a paint scheme for a race car.

It's far from easy.

[Leigh]

Originally posted by Rob
... but I have long since cared what the supporters thought about liveries...


That is a strange comment. Isn't that the market you are trying to sell to?

If the supporter does not like the livery...then doesn't that impact on brand recognition, which afterall is what advertising/sponsorship aims to do! This means that the designer of the livery has not performed their job properly...

The job of the designer is to make the most simplistic (in terms of maintanence), eye catching, memorable livery within the guidelines of sponsor's financial input (where the logo goes) and their constraints on how to use their logo...just like many jobs, not easy...but also like many other jobs, ignore the end user and "adios amigo"...

Cheers:)

[Rob]

Originally posted by Rob


I have long since cared what the supporters thought about liveries...



Sorry, that statement didn't come across quite the way I intended it to,
what I meant was that once a design has been seen by the general
population I try not to get hung up about what supporters think as you
are always going to get a differnt response from everyone who sees it.

I don't do this to boost up my ego, I do it because I love to do it, but
pleasing everyone everytime simply isn't in my job description.
My main concern is making sure my client is happy with the design and
that it reflects back on the company in the desired light.

"Isn't that the market you are trying to sell to?" - quoted from icfp2297

Believe it or not in some cases no. Some sponsors (Kmart as an example)
are using motorsport to broaden there brand appeal to a wider range of
the population, just not those interested in Motorsport - hence the scissors
and Cutting the cost slogan all over the cars. So the motorsport public
isn't the ony demographic sponsors look at targeting through racing, so
you have to strike a balance when designing liveries.

I guess my main point was that people were saying why isn't there a
Team Brock logo here but one over there and it's just not as simple as that.

[Leigh]

Originally posted by Rob

Sorry, that statement didn't come across quite the way I intended it to, what I meant was that once a design has been seen by the general population I try not to get hung up about what supporters think as you are always going to get a differnt response from everyone who sees it.
Ahh yes, now I see...agree completely...

Originally posted by Rob

Believe it or not in some cases no. Some sponsors (Kmart as an example) are using motorsport to broaden there brand appeal to a wider range of the population, just not those interested in Motorsport - hence the scissors and Cutting the cost slogan all over the cars. So the motorsport public isn't the ony demographic sponsors look at targeting through racing, so you have to strike a balance when designing liveries.
I can understand that Kmart use KRT in advertising to sell car accessories, but my point is that this only appeals to motoring enthusiasts (and I use that term loosely). A prime example is the new Repco ads...I was with five others watching TV and the doorbell ad came on...three of us were laughing really hard by the end...the other two were asking what we were laughing at...they hadn't even noticed the ad but they knew of the ad prior (some clothing ad) that us three had completely missed...

Originally posted by Rob

I guess my main point was that people were saying why isn't there a
Team Brock logo here but one over there and it's just not as simple as that.
Agree 100%...Team logo's fit in a spare space AFTER sponsors logos are on.

Cheers

[Glen Alexander]

One point I'd like to make, you don't see HRT with big Holden Racing Team logos splashed all over the car, same with Craig Lowndes' car and the Majority of the field. We all know they are Team Brock cars, doesn't really matter if it doesn't have it emblazoned across the bonnet or down the side of the car, we still know who they are. Sponsors take first priority in the display stakes of a race car, after all, they're putting in mega bucks to keep the team going.

[biante5485]

Just as Shell is putting in so much money for DJR who I hear has been testing for reliability at Queensland Raceway since the Sandown event preparing for Bathurst as they have grave concerns for their engines after troubles before the race at Sandown.

[Rob]

I can understand that Kmart use KRT in advertising to sell car accessories, but my point is that this only appeals to motoring enthusiasts (and I use that term loosely). quoted from icfp2297

If your interested in or have some knowledge of the topic showing, then
like the Repco ad or the shirts ad you'd recognize it. So If you sponsor
motor racing then it would suggest you want to expose your products
etc to a particular demographic of potential customers.

This, and I believe we both agree upon, would be the case.

However, Kmart's involvement in racing, for example, is seen as a medium
to broaden the brands appeal across a wider demographic, which baffles
me if the above stated logic suggests that only motorsport people will recorgnize it. But at the 2003 launch there was talk about the (dreaded) scissors making a larger presence on the cars at a later stage (ie: like Bathurst 2002) because of Kmart's "desire to attract the wider market".

So where's the logic in that.

[the_goldie]

Originally posted by Glen Alexander
One point I'd like to make, you don't see HRT with big Holden Racing Team logos splashed all over the car, same with Craig Lowndes' car and the Majority of the field. We all know they are Team Brock cars, doesn't really matter if it doesn't have it emblazoned across the bonnet or down the side of the car, we still know who they are. Sponsors take first priority in the display stakes of a race car, after all, they're putting in mega bucks to keep the team going.

Glen - most of the HRT cars have always had the Lion and the Racer Helmet down the side in1way or another throughout their years and this represents HRT.

Also with Team Brock it has the TeamBrock logo - the silver car at the back... That to me is saying it is TeamBrock.

[Elvis]

Malik,I know and respect your opinion about Red Team Brock(2002) vs Yellow team brock(2003) but I believe this years paint scheme is 100% better,Bright yellow and silver looks great together,My dad has both Red and Yellow version 1/18 models, and yellow wins hands down,but thats just my opinion.

ROB-Do you design paint schemes/decals for V8s?

If you do and you designed the Shell/Ford-Supercheap/Ford and Siromet/Holden- you better let someone else design those 3 teams paintjobs next year because they look bad,real bad,Maroon-dark green-purple and silver look like a dogs breakfast(Supercheap/Ford).I know what your saying about not getting hung up about paint jobs,but you should,the paint scheme makes these cars,when people say what car was it==You say, that really good looking pink and purple one- etc.
I am really fascinated by paintjobs and so is a lot of other people,Remember when they used to have an award for best presented cars at Bathurst,people talk about paintjobs.

And as for the paint jobs can not be complicated(Im not saying your wrong)--But the Nascar winston cup teams dont have any problems with paintjobs,infact they go out of there way to make new ones=most of the big teams usually have 5,6 different schemes per year,and Busch series also have special paintjobs.Has anyone thought of asking Nascar guys how they do theres(They might have shortcuts etc,etc)-Jeff Gordons normal paintjob is almost identical to R.Kellys 2002 HYL car.

As I said im really fascinated in paintjobs,If you do design the cars could you let me know which ones,Im kind of an artist and love designing Fantasy paintjobs,I send drawings into the Street Machine magazine and would love to get started in paint designing business,If I ever do,watch out TV viewers-youll see the greatest liveries ever designed!!!!!

Please get back to me Rob

[Elvis]

Originally posted by the_goldie

Also with Team Brock it has the TeamBrock logo - the silver car at the back... That to me is saying it is TeamBrock.

You just reminded me Goldie,I was wondering what on earth is the silver bit at the back of Yellow team Brock,it doesnt look bad,infact the whole car looks great...............But if you can make out the silver bit is a car then your more intelligent then me.......

Ill probably cop some flak over the intelligent comment but i dont care!!!!!!!!!

[the_goldie]

Originally posted by Elvis


You just reminded me Goldie,I was wondering what on earth is the silver bit at the back of Yellow team Brock,it doesnt look bad,infact the whole car looks great...............But if you can make out the silver bit is a car then your more intelligent then me.......

Ill probably cop some flak over the intelligent comment but i dont care!!!!!!!!!

Elvis - if you look at the Team Brock site (http://www.teambrock.com.au/tb/tbfront.html) at the bottom of the page is the car I am talking about - it's their logo with like a road outlining the car ;)

I love the yellow paint scheme and even got a Team Brock bed made up for my son (not me honest). I think I posted a pic in the Changing Topic thread :)

[jager]

better let someone else design those 3 teams paintjobs next year because they look bad,real bad,Maroon-dark green-purple and silver look like a dogs breakfast(Supercheap/Ford)

The colour combination is a corporate decision and nothing to do with the livery designer. If Super Cheap chose to have a 'dogs breakfast' of colours for their corporate identity don't expect the cars to look any better than their stores.

[Malik]

Rob: Fair enough in yer statements and I do agree that yes the sponsors have the right to have their logos in whatever spot they pay the right amount of money for... all I am saying is that it is a shame that the team brock stuff suffers for it.. again my opinion

Elvis: also fair that the silver part being a stylised car logo defines it as team brock but to be honest I agree with goldie. I dont really see the car there as much because of the sponsors and such on top of it.. and the team brock logo to me is the style of writing that says "TEAM BROCK" cos if you ever see the brUTEs racing you will notice that james brock (yes brock Jnr) has his name written in the same writing font.. it just says "james brock" instead of team brock..

and Glen: the lion and helmet IS basically screaming huge HRT logos.. but then considering holden is the primary sponsor lol.. it says it all...


personally I prefer the liveries that "appear" to have more artwork involved in them.. HRT, Team Dynamik, KRT.. stuff like that... the cars that just seem to be a jumble of colours with sponsors splashed on them dont do alot for me...

[Elvis]

Originally posted by Malik
Elvis: also fair that the silver part being a stylised car logo defines it as team brock but to be honest I agree with goldie.

personally I prefer the liveries that "appear" to have more artwork involved in them.. HRT, Team Dynamik, KRT.. stuff like that... the cars that just seem to be a jumble of colours with sponsors splashed on them dont do alot for me...

MALIK-Are you sure you said that right,i wasnt the one that said the silver logo defines team brock?

MALIK-I agree with you on the last comment,an artwork paintjob is better then a no frills paintjob.Im fascinated by paintjobs and thats what got me following J.Gordon in Nascar=he had a great paintjob and was a nice guy so I started following him-been a fan ever since.If paintjobs are not important,everybody would save money and run around in undercoat grey.

JAGER-Very true,but did Supercheap stores change there colours?Because last years scheme didnt look to bad.

GOLDIE--Thanks,that makes more sense--But the Team Brock sites logo is different then the one on the 1/18 model--it makes more sense now,but still a little weird design.

[Leigh]

Originally posted by Elvis

JAGER-Very true,but did Supercheap stores change there colours?Because last years scheme didnt look to bad.

The colours are exactly the same, they just flipped a few around to fit in with the Castrol corporate colours...

I agree, last years Supercheap livery was much better...

Cheers

[Grubby]

There will always be liveries we like and one's that we don't.

Whether we like it or not the mightly $ from tyhe sponsor has a major input into how the car may turn out.

This said there are a lot more good liveries than bad.

Grubby

[Rob]

Elvis

As I previously stated, you can't please everyone everytime. It amazes me
that if you told your mechanic that what he had done was crap he'd probably run you over in your own car, yet as far as artist go, it's fair game....

Nascars are a different ball game. Most teams have 15 cars with week day
and weekend crews and with the amount of following and money they bring
in it's 10 times greater then our best funded team and thus can sustain the change in livery designs. I would love to see special paint schemes in V8's
but we don't have the budgets to do it. The amount of money just spent
on the show for one year is scary when you think most teams won't get
much in return in the way of results. Nascar's also have the benefit of
cleaner bodies with no doors or body lines to mess up the vinyl stickers.
A lot of them are also "wrapped" which is expensive, but once again they
can afford it. I agree they look fantastic but there is no way we are ever
going to see that much change during a year here.

As for getting into this crazy caper, good luck to you. "If I ever do,watch
out TV viewers-youll see the greatest liveries ever designed" - quote Elvis enthusiasm is a good start but don't get too cocky, as I said there's a lot to learn and it's not as simple as getting out the crayons.

No I didn't do DJR or Morris.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Rob
……….As I previously stated, you can't please everyone everytime. It amazes me that if you told your mechanic that what he had done was crap he'd probably run you over in your own car, yet as far as artist go, it's fair game……….... as I said there's a lot to learn and it's not as simple as getting out the crayons.

Fair call Rob !!!

It sad when you bust your gut at you're job only to have some criticise your blood, sweat & tears effort that is enjoyed by the greater public. Just wonder how some people would feel had they got the same feedback on something they have spent a lot of time working on ???

Must admit Rob the K-Mart car does look a lot better now that it's a VY - very impressive !!!

cheers. :)

[Elvis]

[i]Originally posted by lcfp2297
The colours are exactly the same, they just flipped a few around to fit in with the Castrol corporate colours...
I agree, last years Supercheap livery was much better...


ICFP=Thanks,that explains that horrible green colour,I think Ellery said that scheme looks great(Must of had 1 VB too many)

GRUBBY=Very true.

ROB=Hopefully ill get into the business one day,If your willing to give some secrets away,whats the best way to get started in this business??Send some drawings away to the V8 teams or what?????????

[Elvis]

Originally posted by brchi17
[B]
#1= It sad when you bust your gut at you're job only to have some criticise your blood, sweat & tears effort that is enjoyed by the greater public.
#2= Just wonder how some people would feel had they got the same feedback on something they have spent a lot of time working on ???
#3=Must admit Rob the K-Mart car does look a lot better now that it's a VY - very impressive !!!


#1=It is sad,but if everybody shut up, how would anyone know its good or bad??If a designer can handle positive comments then they should be able to handle negative ones as well,Its called constructive criticism=If everybody hates a certain thing,then the designer will know not to include it next time,and that applys to the oppisite.How do you think HRT feel,they bust there guts and get criticised over crap all the time.
#2=Very true,but once again if you handle good comments,then handle the bad ones.If you say the oppisite of your comment,how do you think people feel when they watch ugly paintjobs going around for 1 full year.
#3=I thought it would,I like the VYs better then the VTs,cant wait for the VY Murph 1/18 Biante.

[Malik]

Originally posted by brchi17


Fair call Rob !!!

It sad when you bust your gut at you're job only to have some criticise your blood, sweat & tears effort that is enjoyed by the greater public. Just wonder how some people would feel had they got the same feedback on something they have spent a lot of time working on ???

Must admit Rob the K-Mart car does look a lot better now that it's a VY - very impressive !!!

cheers. :)

gotta go with Elvis on this one Brad... if an artist (or in this case designer) wants the "well done good job" comments.. then they gotta be able to take the "I think it sucks" comments also... critics is what makes the game better and pushes people to make better art...

I dont know which cars (apart from TB) that Rob has a hand in but I am sure that he does do some that I do like alot (dont you do HRT Rob?) and on the flipside he will come out with designs that I wont like... its the nature of the beast... cant please everyone all the time so please some of the people some of the time...

and the kmart car does suit the livery better in the VY style... I agree with that.. that is one model I WILL be buying.

[Rob]

I have no problems in taking the good comments with the bad, I just don't dwell on it, either way, good or bad. If I did I would be too scared to turn
the computer on. As I said I don't do it to inflate my ego, I do it because I
love it (and get paid to do it).

Malik

As for HRT, there cars are done by the designers at Holden. I get the leftovers - transporters and pit display boards, amoungst other things.

Elvis

Sorry no secrets, other wise I will have to hunt you down and kill you.
I am happy to assist anyone with advise about design and graphics -
as long as it's not about motorsport - after all I have a business to protect.

As for sending designs to race teams, that's like playing with fire.
Large teams can easily turn around and 'borrow' aspects of your designs
and burn you just as easily, so approach lower scale teams and categories
and build up a folio of work which you can then advertise to the larger teams.
You have to be able to crawl before you can walk.

Kmart VY

This design was originally created on the VY then converted back to suit VX
and thus was always going to work better on the VY. I like aspects of it, but
still too messy for my liking - This is a good example of the client wanting to
incorporate too much into the design.

[Grubby]

Rob I think the cars look good.

It must be hard when you don't have complete free range to do the liveries as you may like to.

Having to work with so many restriction put on you just makes it more challenging I guess.

Not sure how many teams you have an input for but I fell that most teams liveries get better ecery season.

Grubby

[Glen Alexander]

Rob, what program do you use to design your liveries? I'd like to do it, not as a job, but for fun. I'm right into graphic design as a hobby as many on this forum have seen, and would love to muck around with a program making liveries. I'm pretty good with PhotoShop, and have learnt everything I know by working it out myself. I'm guessing you would have to have some kind of 3D program to accomodate the differing angles of the car.

Do you do any Ford teams? Or just the good ones!!!! :D

[Esses]

Must be my eyes, but both Wifey & I both like this years Super-Cheap livery. We think it looks much better with the silver top. I've always disliked the K-Mart cars. It was only today that I noticed the K-Mart signs on my 5yo's VT Wynn's minicar. He was calling it his "K-Mart" car (as opposed to Skaife car, Bargwanna car, Ingall car etc) & I was trying to tell him he didn't have a K-Mart car, until he showed me the signs! You see, he doesn't know what Wynns is, but is very familiar with K-Mart!:)

[Elvis]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve
[B]Must be my eyes, but both Wifey & I both like this years Super-Cheap livery. We think it looks much better with the silver top. QUOTE]

When youve got a seeing eye dog and a cane I suppose it would be your eyes!!!!!=(Joke Steve)
Well, everybodys different,I think the Supercheaps got too many darker type colours=Maroony kind of colour-Dark Green,Purple and Silver doesnt do much for it.I like last years better=A better purple,and Yellow,it looked quite good.
I think this years is one of the worst V8 supercar paintjobs ive seen.=Just my opinion.

[wayno]

Saw the car at Barbagallo and thought it looked better upside down!

[Elvis]

Originally posted by Rob
Elvis
Sorry no secrets, other wise I will have to hunt you down and kill you.
I am happy to assist anyone with advise about design and graphics -
as long as it's not about motorsport - after all I have a business to protect.

As for sending designs to race teams, that's like playing with fire.
Large teams can easily turn around and 'borrow' aspects of your designs
and burn you just as easily, so approach lower scale teams and categories
and build up a folio of work which you can then advertise to the larger teams.

Rob you halfwit,(Hunt me down)-Dont you know where Graceland Mansion is?-Its in Memphis Tennessee,big white mansion,Im the one with black hair,sideburns and jewlery-And as for killing me,dont you know I do Karate weekly with Chuck Norris and my Memphis Mafia.

You wont be laughing Rob when your asking me for a job interview!!!!!

All jokes asside, I think ill send some drawings away to a Holden Team that needs a decent design,And im not saying which team,After all, im trying to start a business Rob!!!!!!If I get lucky ill let you know which team it was.
Then ill give ya some pointers!!!!!!!!






incorporate too much into the design. [/B]

[Rob]

Elvis

Go for it. I sincerely wish you all the best.

I have always maintained the opinion that if someone
can come up with something better then let them do it.

Just make sure you get it to the right person!!!

As for me ever asking you for a job interview, I don't think so.
I am my own boss and I like it that way, so if things ever go
pear shaped I will go and do something completely different.

[Elvis]

Most of the stuff i said was joking. But I will hopefully send a design away to that Holden team,I may just get into this business,Ill start by giving them free designs,but if they like them,Ill start asking for some money(Dont know how much).
If i dont get into designing cars,i wont loose sleep over it,Id be happy if i just designed 1 car ever,It would be good knowing that I designed that car,and could have the 1/43,1/18 models sitting on my shelf.

I thought designers would be *****y,but you seem different=Thanks for the good luck,Ill let you know what happens.

[Malik]

hey Elvis.. bout 20 bucks a side should cover it shouldnt it?

5 sides.. 100 bucks.. easy.. :)

hey Rob.. just outta curiousity and ya dont gotta answer if you dont wanna.. but what kinda $ do ya make for designing a livery for a supercar.. ball park figure..

[a9x]

Originally posted by Rob

but I have long
since cared what the supporters thought about liveries.
[edit]
Each area on a car also has it's own money value, so you just can't place a certain logo anywhere. They all have there place. All this and more has to be taken into consideration when designing a paint scheme for a race car.

It's far from easy.

And it's not the supporter's signing the cheques $$$

[a9x]

Originally posted by Rob
Elvis

Sorry no secrets, other wise I will have to hunt you down and kill you.
hey elvis
you better put off reading about the shroud of turin next time you go to the crapper you know what happened the last time

Originally posted by Rob
As for me ever asking you for a job interview, I don't think so.
I am my own boss and I like it that way, so if things ever go
pear shaped I will go and do something completely different.

So Elvis want's to be a rob impersonator
maybe rob would become an ELVIS impersonator:confused:

[Elvis]

Crapper=I wasnt even born when the worlds sadest day happened,but im still trying to get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roblis Presely=I dont know about a Rob impersonater,but i would sure like his job!!!!!


MALIK=I didnt want to be selfish and ask to much,but that figure is not even close to what i would ask=To be honest,all i would like is the 1/43-1/18 models to put on my shelf,to say I designed that car.
I would guess Rob would get around $1000 for designing the designs,He said thats his job,so it wouldnt be something like $200,he needs to put food on the table and pay the bills.

[Rob]

Elvis

Try the marketing manager or go direct to the sponsor. I deal
direct with the sponsor most of the time. And if it's GRM you're
targeting then he's all yours. I don't want to know about them.

I would be careful in doing it for nothing for a few years then
turn around and start charging them. Might not go down too
well. Contra is always nice, like hot laps, tickets etc but if you
want to make a living out of it contra doesn't help pay the bills.

And your right, it is great that first time you have your design
replicated into a lasting model. In fact, just about everytime.

As for me being an Elvis impersonator?
Well I might have the side burns but not the guts for it.

[Elvis]

Originally posted by Rob
[B]Elvis

#1=Try the marketing manager or go direct to the sponsor. I deal
direct with the sponsor most of the time. And if it's GRM you're
targeting then he's all yours. I don't want to know about them.

#2=I would be careful in doing it for nothing for a few years then
turn around and start charging them. Might not go down too
well. Contra is always nice, like hot laps, tickets etc but if you
want to make a living out of it contra doesn't help pay the bills.

#3=As for me being an Elvis impersonator?
Well I might have the side burns but not the guts for it.


#1=Thats sounds great,but first ill have to find all these people!!!!
Whats wrong with GRM,Are they bad or something?

#2=Thats a good idea Rob,might not go down to well,I wouldnt expect to make a living out of it,It would be nice and I can only hope that i can.I just hope i can come onto the Forum one day and say,'Hey Rob,I designed this paintjob'

#3=Very clever Rob......Screw you too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Dont let Elvis hear you saying that,youll be in for it when you get up to heaven.....if you can get past all those screaming ladies!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for all your time and advice Rob.

[Rob]

Elvis

No problems. Good luck with it all.

[brchi17]

Anyone see sports tonight last night ???

Looks llike Holden's the 3 main teams were up at Winton testing on Monday/Tuesday as each team gets their gear organised to head off to Bathurst on Sunday.

No read new, just the sort of here they are, Bathurst so coming type stuff. What was interesting is that K-Mart used up the last of their test days for this year getting the VY sorted for the mountian. However, what the TV did show was that K-Mart had both the VY & VX testing so there's a good chance we won't now see two VY's in K-Mart levery for Bathurst.

cheers. :D

[Elvis]

Arhhh,The good old Kmart cars,I cant wait for Sunday night after the race,Murphy sitting there polishing that big Bathurst winners trophy........for the third time!....Goooooo Murphyyyyyyyy!!!

[brchi17]

So elvis are you a member of club Murph ???

He wrote a good form guide of Bathurst & of course the he rates the #51 K-Mart Vy as a dam good chance !!!:D

cheers.

[Elvis]

Originally posted by brchi17
[B]So elvis are you a member of club Murph ???
He wrote a good form guide of Bathurst & of course the he rates the #51 K-Mart Vy as a dam good chance !!!:D


No im not a member of club Murph,I didnt know such a thing was available.

As for the VY being a good chance,Ill put him in the top 3 to win.....but I have to be realistic,and i wont be picking him to win in the finishline comp.Ill be picking Skaife or Ambrose,I havent decided yet........But then again I have a feeling that Skaife or Ambrose or maybe even both will have a very bad day at the mountain,they have been getting it far to easy lately and I think it will change at Bathurst.
I hope Murphy wins,but I wont be counting on it.

[Glen Alexander]

How can you say Skaife has had it too easily lately? They have had a terrible year with the ownership debacle, and he has only won 2 rounds this year.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Elvis
No im not a member of club Murph,I didnt know such a thing was available.

Elvis get $55 ready in the hand & go to www.murph.co.nz & then click on the club Murph link.

cheers. :)

[Malik]

55 bucks :eek:

so thats how Murph's pays the porta-potty rental each year...

hehe

[Elvis]

Originally posted by Glen Alexander
[B]How can you say Skaife has had it too easily lately? They have had a terrible year with the ownership debacle, and he has only won 2 rounds this year.

Your right Glenn,Skaife has been in the wars lately=Hes only won the last 2 Bathurst victorys,Last 3 Touring car championships,a couple of Sandowns,and the ONLY Holden driver to win a round this year,I wish he would pull his finger out and drive faster!!!!

You know........That was being sarcastic Glenn...when I said LATELY,I meant more then just since the start of this season,hopefully my above statement will clear up any misunderstandings.

Your Dumb and Dumber photo was pretty funny in your Photo thread,since you know a bit about computers,how do you put smiley faces etc,etc- at the end of the sentences??

[wayno]

I'm with you Elvis. I'll be up top cheering on the mighty Murph as I've found him to be just about the most approachable guy in the paddock.
brchi17, as for using up the last test days for K-Mart racing let's face it who cares. Bathurst is what everyone wants and as the championship is gone for this year then K-Mart have obviously decided to load the shotgun and take aim at Mt Panorama!
Ask Joe six pack who won the ATCC for the last five years and he'll look at you stupid. Ask him who won Bathurst and you'll probably get three out of five correct answers.

[brchi17]

You're right Wayno how care about who has done what in testing, but when you're 2 weeks out from the biggest race of the year & your trying to generate interst I suppose something like that could help....???

Too true about not knowing who won the ATCC 5 years ago (1998), wasn't it............ As for bathurst I know who it was & wasn't it the last time a Ford won the race !!!

I just hope any Ford can do it. Otherwise I'd like Murph to do it again for a 3rd time.

cheers. :)

[goblues]

Originally posted by Elvis



Your Dumb and Dumber photo was pretty funny in your Photo thread,since you know a bit about computers,how do you put smiley faces etc,etc- at the end of the sentences??

When you enter your message, you should see a smilie panel to the left. :eek: When you are ready to enter a smilie, just click on the smilie and the smilie will be inserted at the end of the current text. If you can't get the smilie in the place where you want it, just insert it, and then cut and paste the smilie code to where you want it to appear.

If the above doen't work, you may have to go into your Forum Profile setup and turn message smilies on.

But remember, this system will only let you use two smilies per message/reply. So, use them wisely. ;)

[Elvis]

Originally posted by goblues
[B]

When you enter your message, you should see a smilie panel to the left. :eek: When you are ready to enter a smilie, just click on the smilie and the smilie will be inserted at the end of the current text. If you can't get the smilie in the place where you want it, just insert it, and then cut and paste the smilie code to where you want it to appear.

If the above doen't work, you may have to go into your Forum Profile setup and turn message smilies on.

But remember, this system will only let you use two smilies per message/reply. So, use them wisely. ;)

Thanks GOBLUES,no wonder I couldnt work it out,every time I clicked on the faces,A weird dash with dots came up,not a face,so I decided to just click on the face and leave the dash with dots on the page.When my message got posted the smile face was there.
I hope you understand all that.

[goblues]

Originally posted by Elvis


Thanks GOBLUES,no wonder I couldnt work it out,every time I clicked on the faces,A weird dash with dots came up,not a face,so I decided to just click on the face and leave the dash with dots on the page.When my message got posted the smile face was there.
I hope you understand all that.

I should have said too, that because of the two smilie limit per message, you may need to delete smilies in any quoted text in order to put your smilies in your reply.

I hope that makes sense. :confused:

[Rob]

Elvis

If you haven't already, check out www.shanebeikoffracing.com.au
and have a go at designing their new livery.

"So what does this have to do with winning a ride in a V8Supercar??
The team at Shane Beikoff Racing would like you to design their livery
for 2004 and, if you are deemed to be the winning entry, you will win
the ride of a lifetime in a Shane Beikoff Racing V8Supercar at your local
Konica V8Supercar event.

Not just this, but if your livery is good enough, it will be exactly replicated
and will be the livery of the Shane Beikoff Racing AU Falcon for 2004 & 2005. You will also receive a certificate & photos to commemorate your hot lap experience!!"

[Elvis]

Originally posted by Rob
[B]Elvis

If you haven't already, check out www.shanebeikoffracing.com.au
and have a go at designing their new livery.

"So what does this have to do with winning a ride in a V8Supercar??
The team at Shane Beikoff Racing would like you to design their livery
for 2004 and, if you are deemed to be the winning entry, you will win
the ride of a lifetime in a Shane Beikoff Racing V8Supercar at your local
Konica V8Supercar event.

Not just this, but if your livery is good enough, it will be exactly replicated
and will be the livery of the Shane Beikoff Racing AU Falcon for 2004 & 2005. You will also receive a certificate & photos to commemorate your hot lap experience!!"

Good to hear from ya Rob,thanks a lot for that info...........looks like ill be getting a drive in a V8Supercar:D ............Just kidding,ill have to wait and see.
I cant tell you how much I appreciate the effort you went too by giving me this info.............Thank Ya Very Much!!!!!!

If you dont mind me asking,is your last name crawford??

Have you started designing any 2004 paintjobs yet???
Thanks again Rob.;)

[spoonster05]

Hi Rob

Are you by any chance the guy behind Creative Options ?

[Rob]

Elvis

No problems. Good luck with it.
No I am not Rob Crawford. He works for Kmart Racing.

spoonster05

Yes, I am the guy behind Creative Options.