Livery Showroom

[Malik]

ok.. so after much work and with much work soon to come on my part with The Livery Showroom (http://malik.vanpyremodels.com) I am curious to find out:

1. Who is actually using it... and

2. Should I bother keeping it going if its not gonna be used...

comments Please...

[inter]

I have the web site saved in favourites.
inter:)

[HRT 1-2]

I check it regularly for news and the painted bits!

Keep up the good work and keep that handle crankin'

[Ford Boy]

Malik, when I gte on the net, first I check the Biante forum, then I check the Livery Showroom, then I check my email, in that order... keep up the good work man!

[chups]

i visit quite regularily. if you are worried about people visiting, have a look at the counter, 1068 at last look. im not sure what sort of numbers that is (comparitively) but id be quite happy with it.
keep up the good work, its just a but dead at the moment with no new liveries being revealed at the moment, but the news is great.

[Pedro]

Malik,
as it gets closer to the start of the season more people will check out the site.
At the moment there is not too many teams that have previewed their new liveries and until the do it will be a bit slow.
Keep up the good work.;)

[Leigh]

Paul Morris unveiled his new livery on January 20. Other than some Qld Reds logos on the headlights, it is pretty much the same as last year. www.paulmorris.com.au

This has led me to think about the 2003 cars that Classics have licensed to them but they are not making in any scale...

PMM 2004 livery is nearly identical to 2003
DJR we know there is little change in the livery
GRM...usually only change their livery every 4 years anyway...they've only had the current livery for 3 years now...
TKR probably not changing the livery...they had a fairly substantial change last year (fern to kiwi...)
SER, again probably not going to change the livery...

If this is the case, I think I'll buy two of each 2004 car for these teams and Code 3 them to 2003 liveries...

whadayathink?

Cheers

[V8SS]

TKR are supposed to be changing to a VY this year so if it means we miss out on another VX and get the VY instead then thats OK by me.
As for the livery, they normally run the same livery on the NZ V8 cars as they do in the Supercar series but this years NZ V8 VY's have a totally new livery to last year with TKR emblazoned down the side of the car instead of the kiwi. Looks quite cool. They also have red roof and bonnet with the vodafone sponsor on.

[Leigh]

Originally posted by V8SS
TKR are supposed to be changing to a VY this year so if it means we miss out on another VX and get the VY instead then thats OK by me.
As for the livery, they normally run the same livery on the NZ V8 cars as they do in the Supercar series but this years NZ V8 VY's have a totally new livery to last year with TKR emblazoned down the side of the car instead of the kiwi. Looks quite cool. They also have red roof and bonnet with the vodafone sponsor on.
Have you got any pictures?

Also I hear that the #100 Car driven by Thexton at Manfeld [spelling?] on the weekend had quite a different livery on it...

With Thexton's health and nutrition (http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8 523152%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html) e-shop being written about, and a new logo appearing at thexton.com.au (http://www.thexton.com.au/about_us.php), I wonder if this logo will appear on the 2004 cars...Maybe one of resident photshoppers could knock something up?

Cheers

[V8SS]

I hope this works. This is the NZV8 touring car site with heaps of photos. Thexton was running a BA which looked pretty much like his Supercar AU. White with Thexton.com.au down the side and red wheels.

http://www.nzv8touringcars.co.nz/content/photos.cf m?pLive&ps=21

[Leigh]

I hope TKR don't go to that livery next year...I'll have a hole in my collection if they do, especially if CC's insist on not making the 2003 car...and to Code 3 the 2003 car would require the 2002 car as a starting point!

Is the NZV8 TKR car a VX with VY front panels? The rear looks too 'curved' to be a VY...

Cheers

[V8SS]

I'm not sure. A lot of the cars were converted by using new panels i.e AU to BA and VX to VY.
They do have the proper VY rears as do the BA's. I guess some teams did use VY bodyshells as a starting point but can't confirm as to what Team Kiwi did. I do know that Angus Fogg who used to drive for TKR is driving and ex-TKR car this year converted to a VY.
Do you not like the Team Kiwi livery?? What did you think of the other teams liveries?

[Leigh]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
I hope TKR don't go to that livery next year...
Cheers
OOPS I meant THIS YEAR

[brchi17]

There are some great looking cars out there (also some that look quite simular to the Australian series as well :D )

What spec are the cars run under ???

I particularly had to look hard at the supercheap car as you instantly expect it to be a Falcon, yet in NZ it's a Commodore. Those GT Radial cars also look awesome as well, espically the pic of the fleet of them.

cheers. :)

[Leigh]

Originally posted by V8SS
Do you not like the Team Kiwi livery?? What did you think of the other teams liveries?
I do like the NZ TKR livery...I'm just being selfish and would like a model that represents the 2003 livery, even if it is the wrong body shape...

Some of the NZV8 liveries look strikingly familiar, some because of the corporate linkage (e.g. havoline and supercheap) but others, like Pero and Henshaw, well HRT rings a bell...

Some quite good liveries, but as with our Konica-Minolta series, some don't have the budget to allow for professional design of liveries, and it shows.

Overall, from those pictured, I'd give the category 7/10 for liveries (compare with SCS 8.5/10 and KMV8 4.5/10)

Cheers

[Gan88]

They NZ series is like the poorer cousin of the Aussie version. I bet that their cars run standard bodies.

[Leigh]

Check out 888's (http://www.tripleeight.com.au/) new livery...This is going to make one mean looking model!!!

Cheers

[Leigh]

More piccies in their gallery (http://www.tripleeight.com.au/galleries/NewLivery Release/index.html);)

[Leigh]

Hey Trevor, Where's the Biante logo on the 888 cars? I can't find it!!!

Cheers

[the_goldie]

Hmmm - not a big fan of it.. looks like someone spilt their coffee on piece of paper with the car design on it and said here you go here's the new design...

What are all those yellow bits suppose to represent if anything???

Oh well - they can only get better - right :confused:

[herbie]

Looks great !

Lets hope it goes as good as it looks.

[Gan88]

888 must be pretty cashed up given the metallic paint job. I don't think the cars will escape without having to be resprayed a few times during the year.

[KiwiRallyFan]

I love it...looks great...much better than the 2003 version.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Gan88
888 must be pretty cashed up given the metallic paint job. I don't think the cars will escape without having to be resprayed a few times during the year.

Maybe not, it looks like it Blueprint in colour, so perhaps they could just raid the carpark at a meet to find some Ba pannels that match :)

Originally posted by lcfp2297
Hey Trevor, Where's the Biante logo on the 888 cars? I can't find it!!!

I'm wondering the same thing Leigh, I wonder if the change of ownership has meant that new contracts have to made up & perhaps triple8 are trying to play Biante against CC, just like FPV did ??? I know Trev has said before that he won't enter into bidding wars over teams, so perhaps this is the reason why the Red oval logo's are missing ???

cheers.:)

[Leigh]

Dates for other unveiling's

CPR - 16th February
PWR - 20th February
HRT - 20th February
FPR - 20th February
SBR - 21st February
GRM - 29th February

Cheers

[Gan88]

Brad,

The blue on the car isn't "blueprint" but could be the darker "blue pearl". Either way, solid colours are so much easier to match in case of a prang.

[Rob]

Looks good. Nice job although getting a little "NASCAR-ish"
with all those logos. Just some background info on the 2004
paint-schemes - in the case of un-warranted praise or insult,
Holden Motorsport has taken over the control of the designing
of (most) the major Holden teams in the V8's.

So whether you like them or hate them - just don't blame me!!!

[HRT 1-2]

Looks pretty good for a Ffffff............Fffffoooo.......Ffffooorrr...

Hmmm, nah can't say it;)

[Malik]

888 Racing livery pics are on my site now too...

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Rob
Looks good. Nice job although getting a little "NASCAR-ish"
with all those logos. Just some background info on the 2004
paint-schemes - in the case of un-warranted praise or insult,
Holden Motorsport has taken over the control of the designing
of (most) the major Holden teams in the V8's.

So whether you like them or hate them - just don't blame me!!!

So Rob, which Holden/Ford cars can we praise/insult you for :D ???

cheers.

[Donny05]

Originally posted by Gan88
Brad,

The blue on the car isn't "blueprint" but could be the darker "blue pearl". Either way, solid colours are so much easier to match in case of a prang.


And I'm quite sure these cars will see plenty of these :D

[admin]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
Hey Trevor, Where's the Biante logo on the 888 cars? I can't find it!!!

Cheers
This is a TV check colour and there are some concerns as to if it will stand out, photograph well etc.
After the AGP the final decision will be made as to livery for 2004.

[terrine]

looks like a big subaru to me

r/peter

[frosty]

I reckon 888 livery is brilliant....

I am very partial to Blue...

I thought Glen Seton's Peter Jackson Falcons and Sierras (Blue with red and yellow strips along the bottom) were exceptional liveries.

[the_goldie]

Here is the new PWR Livery. Looks pretty good plain yet simple.

For those that were complaining about yellow cars last year watch out for all the red and white ones... anyway wait for admin to approve and make up your own opinion.
:D

[vt2envy]

Looks good ...I will be adding this one to the collection.I have never been to keen on their earlier liveries...and as yet do not have a castrol car in the collection...It will be nice to see one in their finaly...:)

[chups]

the paul weel paint job looks pretty good. here are 3 links that might be of interest

PWR pic (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/v8data/news/GRP_93/ LARGE_9228.JPG)

Matthew white konica car (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/v8data/news/GRP_93/ LARGE_9229.JPG)

CASTROL (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/v8data/news/GRP_93/ LARGE_9225.JPG)

im still looking for mare and better pics though

[vt2envy]

Another great looking car ...the grid will be the best looking for years..Can't wait...:rolleyes: :)

[chups]

4 days till HRTs new paint job is revealed, i heard that its going to be mainly green..............

[Malik]

More pics and news at my site.. :)

[Leigh]

Originally posted by chups
4 days till HRTs new paint job is revealed, i heard that its going to be mainly green..............
with envy?

[V8SS]

Originally posted by chups
4 days till HRTs new paint job is revealed, i heard that its going to be mainly green..............

Where did you hear that? Is it another dodgy rumour??

[Leigh]

For those amoungst us that are red/green colour blind (1 in 10 males), I don't think it would make a difference;)

Cheers

[Leigh]

A bit of a pre-view teaser for FPR (http://www.fpv.com.au/fpr/index.asp?link_id=5.606 ) fans...

Apparently SCAR will reveal their (new) livery today...

Cheers

[V8SS]

My guess is that car is Setons. Surely Lowndes' car will be black and silver again with the CAT sponsorship.

[Riddler]

Here is the new PWR Livery...
Looks like someone has struck a deal to supply all Holden teams with red and white paint...

Not very exciting really...

[V8SS]

Originally posted by Riddler

Looks like someone has struck a deal to supply all Holden teams with red and white paint...

Not very exciting really... [/B]

I think Team Kiwi will still be black....................with bits of red:D

[Leigh]

Potentially a big RED bonnet for TKR...

Cheers

[the_goldie]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
A bit of a pre-view teaser for FPR (http://www.fpv.com.au/fpr/index.asp?link_id=5.606 ) fans...

Apparently SCAR will reveal their (new) livery today...

Cheers

Looks like there will be the FPR logo on the bonnet...

[the_goldie]

Originally posted by V8SS
My guess is that car is Setons. Surely Lowndes' car will be black and silver again with the CAT sponsorship.

Hmm maybe? But there is a CAT logo on the website and it has a blue background?! See here (http://www.fpv.com.au/fpr/index.asp?link_id=5) for what I mean.

[Glen Alexander]

I doubt HRT will go away from the red, it is Holden's flagship colour. The green rumour came up last year as well. And I doubt it will have red and green, it will look like a mobil xmas decoration!!!!

[Leigh]

Originally posted by V8SS
I think Team Kiwi will still be black....................with bits of red:D
...The Konica-Minolta TKR car is ALL YELLOW...

Cheers

[V8SS]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
...The Konica-Minolta TKR car is ALL YELLOW...

Cheers

They're sticking with the Hydraulink sponsorship from last year I think. Some kind of joint venture with TKR.

[Leigh]

That's correct. Thanks to RaceTime/RaceNews for the link...

TKR Konica Minolta Livery (http://photos.racetime.com.au/displayimage.php?po s=-371
)

Cheers

[Malik]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
That's correct. Thanks to RaceTime/RaceNews for the link...

TKR Konica Minolta Livery (http://photos.racetime.com.au/displayimage.php?po s=-371
)

Cheers

the livery and full story is on my site too..

Livery Showroom (http://malik.vanpyremodels.com)

[Malik]

Holden Young Lions livery and story added to my site....

[Riddler]

Good to see HYL revive the 'Flame' livery...

I thought it made one of the best looking cars on the track a few years back.

Made a good looking model too...

[Leigh]

Malik...

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone [insert spooky music here]...you seem to have two parrallel websites in operation...

The new link you posted directs us to http://malik.vanpyremodels.com/ and this has all of today's updates...

but the link in your signature directs us to http://vanpyremodels.servepics.com/malik/ and only has news up to the 14 Feb...

Cheers

[Rob]

Originally posted by Riddler

Looks like someone has struck a deal to supply all Holden teams with red and white paint...

Not very exciting really... [/B]

It's actually Orange and charcoal.

[Rob]

Originally posted by the_goldie
Looks like there will be the FPR logo on the bonnet...

It's actually a shot from last year. The race cars haven't been done yet.
It will be 2 Show cars for the Expo, but the real deal for the open day.

[brchi17]

Call me cynical, but i suspect that the HSV Sports logo on the front bar of the PWR car is not proportionate of the size of their input into the team :D ???

This aside, it's a good looking car & this one should be an easy pic on the track, amoungst the number of red bonneted Commodores.

cheers. :)

[chups]

has anyone noticed any problems with the links at the top of the livery page? if my screen is set at 800x600 i cant see the links but at 1024x768 i can.

[chups]

what is the source of the young lions 'new' paintjob? it has the old logo on the side not the new one. whats the go?

[Malik]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
Malik...

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone [insert spooky music here]...you seem to have two parrallel websites in operation...

The new link you posted directs us to http://malik.vanpyremodels.com/ and this has all of today's updates...

but the link in your signature directs us to http://vanpyremodels.servepics.com/malik/ and only has news up to the 14 Feb...

Cheers

yeah sorry mate... I meant to update the link... the first link you posted is correct at the moment as the site has moved server's temporarily....


so anyone using it please update your links to

http://malik.vanpyremodels.com

this is the correct link for all the latest info and pics...

[Malik]

Originally posted by chups
has anyone noticed any problems with the links at the top of the livery page? if my screen is set at 800x600 i cant see the links but at 1024x768 i can.


if you mean my livery site chups the recommended resolution is 1024x768....

and the young lions pic is from AVESCO site..

[Malik]

Supercheap Racing 2004 livery revealed now at my site....

have to say much improvement on last years livery... its up now and ready for viewing :)

[Leigh]

Originally posted by Malik
Supercheap Racing 2004 livery revealed now at my site....

have to say much improvement on last years livery... its up now and ready for viewing :)
Subtle change but vast improvement...now I'm really 'annoyed' at CC's for not making the 2003 SCAR BA...I'll have a hole in my display...

Cheers

[Leigh]

Malik...

I really think you should put Ben Bray's (http://www.progalleries.com.au/en/Album/Cover.asp ?A=420952) Door Slammer Livery in the Other Liveries section...That is one mean livery...

Cheers

[the_goldie]

The Supercheap Auto livery looks good. Looks better than last years.

Leigh - agree about Ben Brays car it looks excellent! Also is it Victor Brays car that had the Jack Daniels on the bonnet and the flames or was it Ben's previous car - that is also a mean looking car!

[Glen Alexander]

The Jack Daniels car isn't from the Bray household, I can't remember the guys name, but it's a different team altogether.

[Leigh]

Victor Bray's almost always had Castrol as sponsor...

The Jack Daniels cars are driven by Brett Stevens...

Cheers

[Glen Alexander]

That's the one... I knew I'd know the name if someone said it.. That's a pretty mean looking car too, and the girl that guides him back to the staging lane is pretty good too!!!! Black latex suit.... :D

[Leigh]

Jack Daniels Racing (http://www.brettstevensracing.com/)

[the_goldie]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
Jack Daniels Racing (http://www.brettstevensracing.com/)

Yes that's it!! Thanks Leigh - how bloody good does that car look. Can someone make it in 1:24 so it can sit alongside my KISS funnycars!!! PLEASE!

[Rob]

Thanks for the praise on Ben's car. That was my first drag car.
If anything the final product looks even better then my concept.

[Leigh]

I agree on that Cameron...I also need another Doorslammer to go beside my Victor Bray 57...

Lets see...I need 1 x Ben Bray Supercheap 57 Chevy and 1 x Brett Stevens JD 53 Studebaker...That should make my 1:24 Doorslammer collection look good...

Cheers

[Leigh]

Originally posted by Rob
Thanks for the praise on Ben's car. That was my first drag car.
If anything the final product looks even better then my concept.
Congratulations Rob. Fantastic design! So what V8's have you designed this year?

Cheers

[Glen Alexander]

I love the shark down the side....

I think a CV8 Top Doorslammer done up like an airforce plane would look sweet, matt grey, with little crossed out Ford badges down the side etc etc, another idea for a custom!! It never ends!!!!

[Leigh]

Originally posted by Glen Alexander
I think a CV8 Top Doorslammer done up like an airforce plane would look sweet, matt grey, with little crossed out Ford badges down the side etc etc, another idea for a custom!! It never ends!!!!
I haven't seen this one Glen. Do you have any pictures? (We haven't had a decent drag meeting down here for at least 2 years:( )

Cheers

[Malik]

Leigh... ok the Ben Bray car will go on the site tomorrow... the livery is AWESOME!!!!

I would do it tonite but as we just had a 3 hour power loss (dont get me started on western power after the last couple days) and its 11pm and I have been up since 6 am I cant see me doing it tonite... that and I want to get the HRT sneak peak up before I go to bed..

thanks for the links.. the pics rock!

[Malik]

Oky Doky

HRT Sneak Peak images uploaded to my site

also...

another WPS pic (from the front)
Howard Racing Livery (Konica Team that Cam McLean is driving for)

also new Konica team "Rod Lynch Motorsport" who has Gary MacDonald driving after his move from the V8 Brutes series into an AU Falcon... still has Kanga Loaders sponsorship

[Malik]

ok it was to hot to sleep so Ben Bray's livery is up now..

[chups]

yeaj we lost power too. i dont know how long for though, i somehow managed to get to sleep in the 83% humidity 27C temp last night.

[chups]

great to see the biante logo right where ambrose will be looking all season. it might pursuade him to change models.

[V8SS]

Any news on what the K-Mart cars will look like or when they're being revealed??

[chups]

also on the topic of biante sponsors. the WPS car should make a good looking model

[Leigh]

Originally posted by chups
yeaj we lost power too. i dont know how long for though, i somehow managed to get to sleep in the 83% humidity 27C temp last night.
Sounds like last Saturday Night in Far East Melbourne...woke up at 3am and it was 32 degrees 75% humidity in the house (outside was warmer...cause I did think of opening the windows...):rolleyes:

Cheers

[Rob]

Originally posted by V8SS
Any news on what the K-Mart cars will look like or when they're being revealed??

Apparently March 1 @ Phillip Island.

[Leigh]

Malik,

I've got this gut feeling that you will get a lot more hits (http://www.conrod.com.au/forums/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=1;t=2324) over the next few days...

Cheers;)

[Malik]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
Malik,

I've got this gut feeling that you will get a lot more hits (http://www.conrod.com.au/forums/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=1;t=2324) over the next few days...

Cheers;)


yeah I noticed that to mate lol.... this could get interesting lol...

[Leigh]

I hope you don't have a bandwidth limit...how quick did that Monty Python link die...

Cheers

[Malik]

no idea mate.... guess Ill have to wait and see lol....

[Leigh]

Malik,

You haven't got this one yet...been out since Jan 20...

Same as last year except for Rugby Team logos on headlights...

Cheers

[Leigh]

Andrew Jones (http://photos.racetime.com.au/displayimage.php?al bum=lastup&cat=&pos=0) BOC Livery

Cheers

[the_goldie]

Looks good - hopefully will get to see the Konicas on Sunday!!! :D

I wonder if BOC will sponsor the main BJR cars.

[Leigh]

Originally posted by the_goldie
Looks good - hopefully will get to see the Konicas on Sunday!!! :D

I wonder if BOC will sponsor the main BJR cars.
I hope your taking a digital camera...Malik will need a piccie of each car's livery that he hasn't already got...;)

BOC sponsored Andy last year, so I see no reason why this would be extended...

Cheers

[the_goldie]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
I hope your taking a digital camera...Malik will need a piccie of each car's livery that he hasn't already got...;)

BOC sponsored Andy last year, so I see no reason why this would be extended...

Cheers

Yep will have the digital and also the SLR. Still need to get myself a 100-300 lens - hopefully by the time Eastern Creek comes around I will have one.

Oh ok - wasn't aware that BOC sponsored Andrew last year. Anybody know if Ozemail are still with BJR?

[Malik]

OK guys.. need some help...

AVESCO just emailed me and told me that I have to remove their logos from my site....

now considering their logos make up a large portion of the content of the site and is half the main logos on the front page it is gonna SUCK to have to take them away..

SO.. what I am needing help with is any of you super photoshop geniuses out there who feel like helping to design me a couple of logos to cover the shell series and the konica series for the front page..

requirements

1. needs to be around the same size as the current ones
2. needs to be on a white background
3. needs to be impartial towards both holden and ford
4. needs to be able to be given to me free and not want paying for or come back at me later for "illegal use"

so anyone who wants to have a go and help I Thank you in advance..

[HRT 1-2]

Sorry Malik, can't offer any help but I'd just like to commend Avesco for being such good sports and not being petty:rolleyes:

[Malik]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
Sorry Malik, can't offer any help but I'd just like to commend Avesco for being such good sports and not being petty:rolleyes:

am I missing sarcasm there?

lol

[Pedro]

I can't see why they are being so petty it is not like you are making any money from your site.
You are actually promoting their series .
Maybe its because you are taking their thunder with the new schemes.

I think it sucks.

[HRT 1-2]

Originally posted by Pedro
I can't see why they are being so petty it is not like you are making any money from your site.
You are actually promoting their series .
Maybe its because you are taking their thunder with the new schemes.

I think it sucks.

DITTO!!!

Kids in the sand pit!!!!

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Pedro
I can't see why they are being so petty it is not like you are making any money from your site.
You are actually promoting their series .
Maybe its because you are taking their thunder with the new schemes.

I think it sucks.

Perhaps they are a little upset, because they can't seem to be able to keep up with the sport like Malik has been :D ???

Perhaps you should offer to help them out Malik ???

cheers.

[Pedro]

Originally posted by brchi17
Perhaps they are a little upset, because they can't seem to be able to keep up with the sport like Malik has been :D ???

Perhaps you should offer to help them out Malik ???

cheers.
Sounds like a good idea they could do with some help from someone as passionate as Malik about V8 Supercars.
You could give them tips on where they are going wrong;)

[Malik]

Ladies and Gents...


with thanks to chups who has just spent the last 6 hours at my house on my PC doing graphix for me... (cos I cant do them)

THE PROBLEM IS SOLVERED!!!!

New Title Banner, links and even a banner exchange banner are done and ready for use... the images look absolutely awesome and fixes the problem with the email from AVESCO nicely... (only avesco image that will be left is the one on the links page)

even preempts the same email from Procar about the same problem....

[chups]

the new pics look great malik :p stick it to avesco.

[Malik]

ok... layout change has happened.. mainly to suit the new images to lower resolutions..

(the original page was designed at a 1280x1024 screen res so it looked awesome to me..

so now everyone with a res down to 1024x768 should have no probs getting everything set into a maximised window....

sorry to all that have got used to the links at the top (i know i have) but this makes life easier for the majority..

[chups]

ahhhh, thats better for us with lesser quality monitors. thank
and did m mention the images look great :)

[stonebrosfan]

Can i ask why Mark skaife is in the V8 Supercars logo and why is he next to marcos in the banner photo, with the top holden driver for 2003 down the end?

Marcos was the top ford, so he should be there.

Mark wasnt the top holden, so why?

sbf

[chups]

well i can answer that one,
the HRT livery looks good, and if you look at the konica, brutes and NC, there are 2 cars in each. and its a livery showroom not a supercars positions site so their last years standings had nothing to do with the choice. and also with the top banner, do you know how hard it is to find the cars on a fanned out angle like they are.
and also i made it and thats how we wanted it :) (well with trying to be unbiassed towards fords that is)

[stonebrosfan]

if its not based on positions, then why is ambroses car there?

i think that it time that everyone (esp. Ch 10 and Auto action) need to realise that Mark skaife isnt the top v8 driver anymore, hes not even the top holden driver anymore!

sbf

[chups]

he may not me the top driver but he is the main driver for the top team which entitles him to be at the front of the picture.
and ambrose is there because his was one of the most striking ford liveries. if you have a look, team dynamik is there and theres no cpr or valvoline holdens, and no ingall car on the ford side.

[stonebrosfan]

ummm....

excuse me if im wrong, but isnt Kmart the top team? seeing as they finished in 2nd place?

[chups]

no, hrt are the top team, they have more fans and more money. and ask any joe on the sidewalk about holdens and they will more than likely say hrt.

[stonebrosfan]

you have got it all wrong!

does that mean that FPR are the top ford team?

because im sure that if i asked joe blow on the street about ford racing cars, he wouldnt say stone brothers racing!

and if its based on money, then it would either be 888 or FPR!

all of you guys need to get out of the "MARK SKAIFE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE #1" mindset, and start living in reality!!!

[Oh Five]

Originally posted by stonebrosfan
you have got it all wrong!

all of you guys need to get out of the "MARK SKAIFE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE #1" mindset, and start living in reality!!!

Skaife has won 5 c/ships and 4 bathursts, he came 3rd last year thanks to ingall and people like you write him off and call him a loser.
when SBR do what HRT have done since 96, then start sprouting off:mad:

[Malik]

lets settle this argument straight away..

the banner was NOT designed with the racer's current status/position/popularity in mind...

it was designed with RECOGNISABILITY.... the majority of people would recognise Ambrose and Skaife quickly and easily... its in no way saying that they are the top drivers for either team..

the second factor was finding the appropriate pictures with the cars at certain angles to make them look good when positioned in the banner... and it just so happens that the Skaife picture was the right angle was one of the first we found.. and the Kmart car was at the right angle for the position it was eventually put in... it would have been just as easy not to use ambrose (for example) or not to use skaife.. they just so happened to be at the appropriate angles....

for example.. the brock car almost was a CPR car except I didnt want 2 predeminantly red cars side by side.. so team brock got the spot... if and when the header is changed.. it will again be set up according to availability of appropriate pictures of each type.

the image will not be changed to show drivers top or bottom or anywhere in between position

stonebrosfan... if you want to read more into it then just a header bar then go for it.... as the next one (if/when it happens) might not even have ambrose in it at all.. nor ingall)

[stonebrosfan]

Originally posted by Oh Five
he came 3rd last year thanks to ingall and people like you write him off and call him a loser.

shouldnt it be:

He came third because:

1. Tyre blowout at queensland
2. Getting hit by ritter at winton
3. bad pit stops at indy
4. Getting crossed up with wilson at pukekohe

you cant blame him coming third in the c'ship just on ingall. Anyway, if ingall was the person who made him not be 2nd, WELL DONE! Ingall deserved the OAM!

[HRT 1-2]

Originally posted by stonebrosfan
shouldnt it be:

He came third because:

1. Tyre blowout at queensland
2. Getting hit by ritter at winton
3. bad pit stops at indy
4. Getting crossed up with wilson at pukekohe

you cant blame him coming third in the c'ship just on ingall. Anyway, if ingall was the person who made him not be 2nd, WELL DONE! Ingall deserved the OAM!

Do you really think the result would have been the same if HRT, KRT, and team Brock had been able to test for the whole year and not just half as the case was?

Enjoy the number 1 on the door while it lasts, because it won’t be there long, different game this year!

"Ingall deserved the OAM" Please, how old are you? I think your mums calling ;)

[HRT 1-2]

By the way, sorry, good work Chups & Malik!

[Malik]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
By the way, sorry, good work Chups & Malik!


LOL cheers mate....

[stonebrosfan]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
Do you really think the result would have been the same if HRT, KRT, and team Brock had been able to test for the whole year and not just half as the case was?

Enjoy the number 1 on the door while it lasts, because it won’t be there long, different game this year!

"Ingall deserved the OAM" Please, how old are you? I think your mums calling ;)

i dont think it would be the same,

BUT, all i was saying was that it wasnt just russels fault that mark didnt come 2nd. It is a combination of all the races!

Do you think that marcos just won the comp because he won the last race, no, it was a combination if the whole season!

[Gan88]

Damn you guys are fast...

Here's another pic of Macos' car taken when the crowds died down a bit.

[Gan88]

And here's Rusty's...

They both look sensational, but the both cars have very vacant looking front spoilers... Hopefully it gets filled up.

[HRT 1-2]

Originally posted by stonebrosfan
i dont think it would be the same,

BUT, all i was saying was that it wasnt just russels fault that mark didnt come 2nd. It is a combination of all the races!

Do you think that marcos just won the comp because he won the last race, no, it was a combination if the whole season!

Yep, agree there is more to the championship than one race result!

My point was more that Marcos could have had it a lot harder last year than he did and probably will this year. Look at Murph's form in the last third of the season.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Rob
Apparently March 1 @ Phillip Island.

I wonder if admin has a couple of passes to this that they could sent one or two of their Victoria members to attend on their behalf :D ???

What a fantastic place to conduct a team release, now if only we could get a round of the championship their....

cheers. :)

[inter]

Hi all
i can not get in the livery show room web site, i seved it into my favourites and now it wont let me use it.
inter

[Malik]

Originally posted by inter
Hi all
i can not get in the livery show room web site, i seved it into my favourites and now it wont let me use it.
inter


have you got the new link?

Here (http://malik.vanpyremodels.com)

[frosty]

Malik,

Congrats on your livery site...... It is excellent.

I use it each day to see who you have added....

I better start saving, there are so many new cars to buy... and only half the teams are there....

[Malik]

Cheers frosty... glad you like it :)

[Malik]

OK.. Ive just uploaded a whole heap of livery's to the konica section of the site...

also one of the Audi Safety cars on the shell page... but its the same as last year

[Rob]

Originally posted by Malik
also one of the Audi Safety cars on the shell page... but its the same as last year

That's because it is last years. Look for a new livery to go with new
naming rights sponsor of the Audi safety cars @ Adelaide.

[Malik]

Originally posted by Rob
That's because it is last years. Look for a new livery to go with new
naming rights sponsor of the Audi safety cars @ Adelaide.


Cheers.. will do mate :)

[Malik]

In a little interesting bit of other news..

got an email back from AVESCO today after my request to them to be able to use their logo's on my site.... and got..

Unfortunately in this instance we are unable to approve the use of our
logo's on your website and ask that you remove them immediately.


meanwhile we emailed PROCAR about their liveries etc and were told the exact opposite... we are welcome to use their pics from their picture gallery as long as they are credited under the picture (they have even told me what they want said)

they also gave a suggestion to improve the site (specially the news section) and also said good luck with it..


amazing the different between them...

[brchi17]

Malik, I think this is typical of the attitude that TC & avesco have towards their fans. I would think that as long as your acknowedging the photographer in the correct mannor, then it should be fine considering that YOU are giving them FREE advertising.

Next you'll know avesco will start harasing people who type their name :confused: ??? While I am not suprised by their comments, it is another example of avesco having no regard for the greater (non-corporate) public.

Good on Ross Palmer & the crew at Procar, but I might add, I'm not suprised. Having read some of his posts on the ten tenths forum (http://www.ten-tenths.com/) I am really not suprised. He tends to still believe that the public are important & it does seem that he is listening to their concerns.

cheers. :)

[Malik]

Scary thing is Brad.. I was just reading that site you posted... and someone has posted my link lol... (and no its not me)

[Leigh]

Malik, links are also posted on V8central (and proabbly on the procar forum too). Many people post on all four of those forums (V8Central, Procar, 10/10ths and Conrod)...That is a fair bit of traffic to cater for...

Cheers

[Malik]

lets hope I dont have a bandwidth limit lol.

[Malik]

Quick update for those interested..

final email from AVESCO today...

Im not even able to have their image on my links page... and Ive been told I have to remove the link itself... so AVESCO now officially has no link from my site to theirs....

somehow their statements about "encouraging fan sites" doesnt ring quite true with me anymore if they dont even want a fan site to link to their site..

[stonebrosfan]

that is absolutly shocking!!!

i cant see how they can force you to remove a link? if they havent trademarked "www.v8supercars.com.au" then they cant do anything!

uhoh, am i gonna get sued because i posted that link!

if im not back within 1 week, tony's got me! lol!

sbf

[Malik]

who knows mate.. but thats the gist of it... cant use their main logo, Championship series logo or Konica Minolta logo... and now cant even use their link...

I agree though... how can they stop me linking to their site...

that would be like Trev telling me not to link to biante either.. its crazy.. its FREE advertisment...

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Malik
who knows mate.. but thats the gist of it... cant use their main logo, Championship series logo or Konica Minolta logo... and now cant even use their link...

I agree though... how can they stop me linking to their site...

that would be like Trev telling me not to link to biante either.. its crazy.. its FREE advertisment...

I'm sure for the right fee ($$$) they will allow you Malik :confused: !!!

Personally, I can not see how they can legally stop you from posting a link to their website, provided you do not use their logo's etc...., as the link.

I'm sure if you wrote something like V8 supercar website (http://www.v8supercar.com.au/) & made it a link, there is little they can actually do. Oops I just posted a link to V8 supercars, I hope they don't sue me as well :mad: !!!

What a crock of ........ !!!

[bunji_v8]

malik keep up the good work man. I use it all the time its better than the teams sites for the new paintjobs. It's amazing how quick you get the pics up and where you actually get the pics from you have some pics on there that I can't find anywhere else on the net. KEEP IT UP BRO!!!!!!!

[the_goldie]

Malik that is a joke!!!!

Next they will ask me to remove the results/links etc from my site!!!

I was going to do a livery showroom as well - but why bother when you are doing a great job. I will be updating my site through out the year with the race results. I still have to update it from last year :( been slack...

Good to hear Procar are kind enough to allow you to use their logo and pictures and news etc...

I will have some Konica photos for you tonight - so I hope your email account is ready for alot of pics :D

[Glen Alexander]

You would think they'd encourage free advertising wouldn't you? Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Let's all start a Biante Forum Tyranny of AVESCO and take over the reigns!!!!! I'll let you post a link and use the pics Malik!!!!! :D

[Leigh]

Originally posted by the_goldie
I will have some K***** photos for you tonight - so I hope your email account is ready for alot of pics :D
Careful, the capturing of the image of a race car from a series that can't be mentioned may be prohibited by the owners of that series who also can not be mentioned due to a potential breach in a copyright law...:p

Cheers

[Malik]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
Careful, the capturing of the image of a race car from a series that can't be mentioned may be prohibited by the owners of that series who also can not be mentioned due to a potential breach in a copyright law...:p

Cheers

good luck to AVESCO to prevent the use of private pictures taken of cars that arent their property in the first place... the only people that could have a problem with me using the pics Goldie sends me is 1. Goldie himself (his pics) and 2. the teams in the pics as its their car.... but personally I Cant see (and hope) the teams dont have a problem with it... theres probably going to be pics of cars on there that arent anywhere else anyways cos alot of cars arent being photographed ... having seen AVESCO's gallery of pics from the first race theres more then a few teams that didnt get pics put up.. HYL for instance.


Brad.. HELL NO am I paying for the use of pics.. I have new and original logos now.. with full permission to use them from the creator (chups) seeing we made them together (well he made them I helped choose what to do)

anyways... I want to add more links to my links page so anyone that has an appropriate website they would like linked let me know.. (HINT HINT goldie!)... Ive already talked to the owner of Ford Australia Forums and exchanged links with him.. so all you ford boys might like to check out his site also for lots of info (its pretty impressive site if you ask me.. and Im a holden supporter)

Also I have something big in the planning for the site that might impress some people... but your all gonna have to wait and see what it is... (as long as I can talk someone into helping me do it.. might have to pay him for this one..)

Thanks for the support guys and making the site worth doing... to be honest I wasnt expecting this kind of responce from everyone over it being "just another fan site".. but hey.. makes it all worth doing and keeping on going...

Enjoy the site all !

[Oh Five]

I wasnt expecting this kind of responce from everyone over it being "just another fan site".. but hey.. makes it all worth doing and keeping on going...

Enjoy the site all ! [/B][/QUOTE]

Keep up the great work Malik;)

[stonebrosfan]

just something that you might want to note malik,

while everyone wants to see the new livery's now, do you think that people will still go and see pictures on your site, when they can just watch them on TV?

Im not trying to put you down, as it is a great site, i just think that you will need to add something else which will bring people to it while the season is on!

sbf

[Oh Five]

Originally posted by stonebrosfan
just something that you might want to note malik,

while everyone wants to see the new livery's now, do you think that people will still go and see pictures on your site, when they can just watch them on TV?

Im not trying to put you down, as it is a great site, i just think that you will need to add something else which will bring people to it while the season is on!

sbf

:confused: :confused:

[john]

Malik, a big part of myself enjoying the V8 supercars is the "look" of the cars, the livery. Thanks for the work youve done, and yes please continue on with the site, its now in my "fav" file.

[Malik]

Originally posted by stonebrosfan
just something that you might want to note malik,

while everyone wants to see the new livery's now, do you think that people will still go and see pictures on your site, when they can just watch them on TV?

Im not trying to put you down, as it is a great site, i just think that you will need to add something else which will bring people to it while the season is on!

sbf


you mean the soon to come archive section, the grid girls section the already existing "other livery's" section displaying more then just supercars and the soon to come surprise wont be enough?


Any other ideas from anyone? all (save the rediculous) will be considered.

[brchi17]

Malik, perhaps a Biante forum members photo section ???

I know I'd be prepared to share a few pics (if I get any good ones !!!) throughtout the year. I am at present going to the AGP (on the Friday) & EC, so I'm sure amoungst the entire forum, we can cover the entire season.

It would be good to get some shots from the spectators point of view of the tracks across Australia, so that in the future we might be able to find the best photo spots at each track ???

cheers. :)

[Leigh]

EC which round??

I thought you said you were DEFINATELY going to Sandown...Bailing already??:D :D

Cheers

[brchi17]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
EC which round??

I thought you said you were DEFINATELY going to Sandown...Bailing already??

Cheers

I'm going to the April 4th (round 2) at EC (airfairs & accon already booked) & as for Sandown, I forgot about that one sorry. As long as I'm breathing, I'll be there - I promise, it my 2nd fav round after PI, so I'll definately be there.

cheers.

[Leigh]

Did you here AVESCO are alledgedly in discussions (or thinking about them) with Lindsay Fox to get a round back at PI (Now that Lindsay is the owner of PI Raceway)...

Lets keep our fingers crossed...

Cheers

[brchi17]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
Did you here AVESCO are alledgedly in discussions (or thinking about them) with Lindsay Fox to get a round back at PI (Now that Lindsay is the owner of PI Raceway)...

Lets keep our fingers crossed...

Cheers

Mate I sure did - how good is this :D
(I was going to post it in the More Rumours from the V8 World thread (http://forums.biante.com.au/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1994&highlight=more+rumors) , but now that you've brought it up...)

I don't like his chances of getting the motel he wants built there (too many environmental issues), but if we can get the cars back down there, that's all that matters. I don't see there to be a need from upgrades to the place as I really believe that losing the round in the place was political.

Apparently he got the complex for 10Million, which is cheap, considering the size of the property & the current price of land on the island.

cheers. :)

[Malik]

Originally posted by brchi17
Malik, perhaps a Biante forum members photo section ???

I know I'd be prepared to share a few pics (if I get any good ones !!!) throughtout the year. I am at present going to the AGP (on the Friday) & EC, so I'm sure amoungst the entire forum, we can cover the entire season.

It would be good to get some shots from the spectators point of view of the tracks across Australia, so that in the future we might be able to find the best photo spots at each track ???

cheers. :)


not a bad idea Brad.. that is definately do-able..

now what about the copywrite issues? I dont wanna get emails from you telling me I cant use your idea.. hehe :D

[stonebrosfan]

also malik,

how about a small section on the front page which show the last updated images.

EXAMPLE:

Latest Update:

22/02/04 - 6:40pm
More photos added for Stone Brothers Racing

Previous Updates:

22/02/04 - 11:15am
More photos added for Holden Racing Team

21/02/04
New Livery Released: PWR Racing


This would just save checking either the forums, or each individual livery page to see if there were any updates!

what about also a mailing list for when updates occur, or maybe just an email every night at 8pm saying what has been added during the day.

just some more of my ideas coming through!

sbf

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Malik
not a bad idea Brad.. that is definately do-able..

now what about the copywrite issues? I dont wanna get emails from you telling me I cant use your idea.. hehe :D

I'm sure we can come to some sort of agreement :D

On a serious note, with regards to the use of people's photo's, I'm sure most of us don't mind sharing images, provided others' don't use them for their own financial gain, it just a shame that come large companies/organisations can't understand this.

cheers.

[Malik]

stonebros... that also could be done... Ill have a look into it cos I dont want the front page to become cluttered again (Im not sure if you saw what the page first looked like but the front was quite crowded... ) but Ill have a look at it..


Brad... I do like the idea.. sort of like a showcase type thing for people to show off their own pics... the other thing I had thought of after you said that was posting doctored pics like what Glen does (hrt with red/white/black wheels etc) for people that wanted that kind of thing up there.


The other thing to remember is big additions like that cant happen yet as Im limited to webspace so they wont be up there until I get back onto the original server where I pretty much have unlimited space... so keep the ideas coming and if we can refine things before I go back to the other server it makes things go up quicker :)

[the_goldie]

Malik,

I had photos of some of Glens images on my site and also Chups' dioramas. Like you though I am limited to webspace so these had to go. I am working on moving my ATCC & Bathurst section to another site and also updating my current site. The ATCC & Bathurst section has quite a lot of photos and it takes forever as it does not allow me to use an FTP client :( so I can only do 5 files at a time..... a long process when you have around 520 photos to put up plus the ASP pages.

Like the idea of fans pics though. I'm sure wayno has thousands for us.

[Malik]

Originally posted by stonebrosfan
also malik,

how about a small section on the front page which show the last updated images.

EXAMPLE:

Latest Update:

22/02/04 - 6:40pm
More photos added for Stone Brothers Racing

Previous Updates:

22/02/04 - 11:15am
More photos added for Holden Racing Team

21/02/04
New Livery Released: PWR Racing


This would just save checking either the forums, or each individual livery page to see if there were any updates!

what about also a mailing list for when updates occur, or maybe just an email every night at 8pm saying what has been added during the day.

just some more of my ideas coming through!

sbf

Stonebros..

I did a quick and dirty of the site with a quick news section on the front page and didnt like the look of it as it was starting to look like the old site with the main page becoming cluttered again....

all the news for the site including livery uploads is on the news page anyway so I figure I might just leave it there... the other thing I -might- look at for a quick news is a ticker thing on the front page just to scroll across latest news only.. but thats only a maybe.

the newsletter could be an idea... Ill keep that one in mind.

[Malik]

I have some pics from DJR testing at Willowbank on my site now showing the full complete livery for 2004....

[stonebrosfan]

Originally posted by Malik
now showing the full complete livery for 2004....

without any offence intended:

this livery is exactly the same as the 2003 livery (well as per the VIP petfoods main event anyway)
see attached picture!

sbf

[Malik]

Originally posted by stonebrosfan
without any offence intended:

this livery is exactly the same as the 2003 livery (well as per the VIP petfoods main event anyway)
see attached picture!

sbf


LOL. .yeah... exactly... I would guess they arent changing their livery then lol

[admin]

Originally posted by Malik
I have some pics from DJR testing at Willowbank on my site now showing the full complete livery for 2004....
This is NOT the livery for 2004...sorry.

[Malik]

Originally posted by admin
This is NOT the livery for 2004...sorry.

well bugger.. they are hiding it well then cos those pics are from like yesterday or today...

[Rob]

Originally posted by stonebrosfan
without any offence intended:

this livery is exactly the same as the 2003 livery (well as per the VIP petfoods main event anyway)
see attached picture!

sbf

Not quite the same. There are a few subtle differences. Note Ford window banner as per all Ford supported teams. Cabcharge now on the front bar
and Falcon in the mouth. Blue also carries onto the roof.

And no it's not one of mine.

[Malik]

Originally posted by Rob
Not quite the same. There are a few subtle differences. Note Ford window banner as per all Ford supported teams. Cabcharge now on the front bar
and Falcon in the mouth. Blue also carries onto the roof.

And no it's not one of mine.


does that mean it IS the 2004 livery Rob?

[brchi17]

I would expect there to be little change in the DJR cars from what we see on Maliks livery showroom. Perhaps the movement of a few sponsor logo’s but I think what’s there is essentially what we’ll see come Thursday morning at the AGP.

While we’re talking all things DJR, I’ve noticed a little indifference about the 2003 1:43 & 1:64 cars that are listed as being how the cars appeared at the 2003 AGP. What I’ve noticed is that on the top of rear wing at the AGP it was actually bear, with no sponsor logo. (pic attached to this post)

At the Clipsal 500 HAAS appeared (in white) on a plane black wing (I’m talking about the top of the wing not the bottom – pic on next post)

Round 6 saw the addition of red behind the white lettering, which is how the models have been presented (pic on my final post)

While this is really nit picking & had I not been a bit of a DJR fan then I possibly would not have noticed. Either way, I love the look of them as they are awesome & everyone should go out & get yourself one or more as you will not be disappointed.

Cheers. :)

[brchi17]

DJR car with HAAS on the rear wing at the Clipsal 500, 2003.

[brchi17]

Last pic & this one features the rear wing like which is on the model, but first appeared on the DJR cars at round 6 of the championship at Hidden Valley.

cheers. :)

[HRT 1-2]

I would have thought DJR would be looking to change anything and everything (I'm not being a smart arse!)

[brchi17]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
I would have thought DJR would be looking to change anything and everything (I'm not being a smart arse!)

They did, they upgraded to a Barra at the start of last year. New car, new livery, slowly improving cars.

cheers. :)

[Malik]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
I would have thought DJR would be looking to change anything and everything (I'm not being a smart arse!)

they did mate.. they gave Wilson the a**e....

[Malik]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
I would have thought DJR would be looking to change anything and everything (I'm not being a smart arse!)

they did mate.. they gave Wilson the arse....

[HRT 1-2]

Originally posted by brchi17
They did, they upgraded to a Barra at the start of last year. New car, new livery, slowly improving cars.

cheers.

They did, they upgraded to a Barra at the start of last year. New car, new livery, slowly moving cars:D

Sorry Brad, couldn't resist;)

Seriously hope they can do well this year!

[Rob]

Originally posted by Malik
does that mean it IS the 2004 livery Rob?

Bugger if I know. Just made an observation by studying the pics.
Biante would know more than me about DJR.

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by brchi17
Last pic & this one features the rear wing like which is on the model, but first appeared on the DJR cars at round 6 of the championship at Hidden Valley.

cheers. :)

The Haas logo was added at the last minute at the request of the team. It was too late to totally relod the livery at that stage so we had to run with the AGP design and add HAAS onto the wing.

The livery on the 1:18's will be based on the cars as they ran at Oran park (with HAAS logo and V8Supercar logos).

[brchi17]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
They did, they upgraded to a Barra at the start of last year. New car, new livery, slowly moving cars:D

You nearly got me with that one !!!

I had to go back & re-read my orginal post just to make sure that i did write slowly improving, rather than the slowly moving that you did - good one :D

One thing I did notice, was on my Wilson car (1:43) it was missing an exhaust system, luckly Michael at Coffey's had a spare one so that he could swap it over for me.

As I said before, the 2003 DJR cars look awesome, so hopefully there isn't too much change as they look good - nice job Biante.

cheers.

[Kiwiracing]

Originally posted by brchi17
You nearly got me with that one !!!

I had to go back & re-read my orginal post just to make sure that i did write slowly improving, rather than the slowly moving that you did - good one

One thing I did notice, was on my Wilson car (1:43) it was missing an exhaust system, luckly Michael at Coffey's had a spare one so that he could swap it over for me.

As I said before, the 2003 DJR cars look awesome, so hopefully there isn't too much change as they look good - nice job Biante.

cheers.

Hi Brad that was lucky, would have loved to see Michael weld the new exhaust system on:D

As I said in another thread saw DJR, Ellery and Noske at their testing day on Thursday at QLD Raceway, the cars all looked great, love the Super Cheap paint job, it too has a heap more black in the scheme.

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[the_goldie]

Saw a pic of McConvilles car on the GRM website.. same old same old guys.. pic is attached.

At least we know who sponsors the team.

[brchi17]

I might sound like a bit of a prune, but with regards to team liveries, sometime a change for change's shake is not necessarily the best thing. I suppose it's a bit like the old proverb if it ain't broke, why fix it ???

Why else is it, but for the purposes of selling more merchandise, are we starting to now see race teams follow the lead of those teams in the English Premier League, (where changing jumpers every year is the norm) by producing a different liveried car every year ???

Sure it's nice to have a line up of cars from every year, but are we expecting too much for a team to redesign themselves after every season ???

Sure, as sponsors come & go changes are required. Tell me a team such as HRT (who have a stable group of sponsors) for example, need to redesign their cars every year.

I suppose it's just an example of the ever growing merchandise department of the race team, needing to sell heaps of clothing etc..., every year to help subsidise the race team's sponsorship shortcomings.

I guess to being a DJR fan I have noticed the subtle changes in their cars, while retaining the overall similarities of them. Also, you really don’t need every years car (even thought I’ve got them all) to show the vast number of livery changes over a peroid of time. At least at the track, you do not need to be an avid fan of the sport to know which cars are Dick Johnson’s, for example.

I just wonder if a teams identity is being lost (by continual livery changes) in the pursuit of the merchandise dollar ???

What do you guys think ???

Cheers. :)

[brchi17]

Originally posted by the_goldie
Saw a pic of McConvilles car on the GRM website.. same old same old guys.. pic is attached.

At least we know who sponsors the team.

Is it me, or does the Repco logo appear larger this year, while Valvoline is slightly smaller ???

cheers. :)

[Glen Alexander]

I agree to a certain extent Brad, but GRM's livery is broke, so it needs to be fixed. It looks very boring, and just shyte in my opinion. They were 2 cars that didn't get in my view finder last year, and they won't this year either.

[the_goldie]

Originally posted by Glen Alexander
I agree to a certain extent Brad, but GRM's livery is broke, so it needs to be fixed. It looks very boring, and just shyte in my opinion. They were 2 cars that didn't get in my view finder last year, and they won't this year either.

Aww come on Glen - they are Holdens they should be a target in your viewfinder. I don't think it looks all that bad - the PWR livery even looks "similar".

Brad tend to agree with you on the liveries being lost. Looking back on some of the HRT cars I have they are pretty much the same eg. Lion and Racer on the side so they are dead easy to spot a bit like the Shell DJR cars. It is all about selling new merchandise though $$$.

[Malik]

Need a huge favour if anyone can help..

what I need is a picture of the 2003 livery for Briggs Motorsports/888 Racing... either side will do as its for the up and coming archive section of the site.... if anyone has one and is happy for it to be on the site could you email the pic to malikdraeg@hotmail.com

Cheers

[V8SS]

Originally posted by brchi17


Why else is it, but for the purposes of selling more merchandise, are we starting to now see race teams follow the lead of those teams in the English Premier League, (where changing jumpers every year is the norm) by producing a different liveried car every year ???

Most English Premiership teams keep the same shirt for 2 years unless the team changes kit supplier i.e Adidas to Nike.
A better example would be the NZ Super 12 rugby teams who change every year for the sake of change.
I agree that a lot of the race teams don't necessarily have to change. It just makes it easier identifying from a photo what year it may have been taken depending on the colour scheme.
I think they should keep the same livery for 2 years though unless they have a major sponsor change.

[Leigh]

Anthony Tratt's 2004 livery (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=50853) at Winton today...

Only TKR, TD and Thexton to go...what is with these Kiwi's?:p :D

Cheers

[Kiwiracing]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
Anthony Tratt's 2004 livery (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=50853) at Winton today...

Only TKR, TD and Thexton to go...what is with these Kiwi's

Cheers

Leigh - we are trying to scrape together enough dosh to buy a can of Dulux!!!!!!!!:D

Kiwiracing

[Leigh]

LOL@KR:D

Cheers

[wayno]

That Tratt thing is a fantastic looking piece of kit, I love it! Great to see a Holden that hasn't got red paintitis.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by wayno
That Tratt thing is a fantastic looking piece of kit, I love it! Great to see a Holden that hasn't got red paintitis.

But the only problem is that everyone will think it's a Ford because it's not red :D !!!

cheers.

[chups]

to be totally honest, i thought it was a ford when i first saw the pics, then i thought........i thought tratt was sposed to be in a holden........ then i had another look and he was.

[Leigh]

...goes to show how similar the Falcon looks to the Commodore (or should that be the other way around?);)

Cheers

[brchi17]

Originally posted by chups
to be totally honest, i thought it was a ford when i first saw the pics, then i thought........i thought tratt was sposed to be in a holden........ then i had another look and he was.

funny that you shoudl say this chups, as I though the very same thing when I first saw the image. It wasn't until I had a closer look that I saw that it was a VY - I blame the colour, as the curves of the vehcile seemed to get lost with all that black up front.

cheers. :)

[Leigh]

Do we have any optometrists posting on this forum...Line up Chups and Brad:D :D

Cheers

[brchi17]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
Do we have any optometrists posting on this forum...Line up Chups and Brad

Now come on Leigh, you can't tell me from that dam small shot on the 10/10th forum doesn't at first glance it doesn't look like Tratty's 2003 car :D ???

I'm sure had there been a larger shot of the car (or even a side on shot) that both of us could have easily worked out that it was a VY :D !!!

But I must admit, it's worth a good laugh.

cheers.

[Kiwiracing]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
LOL@KR

Cheers

Spent all of our money on LOTR:D Worth it though I see.

Kiwiracing

[brchi17]

Originally posted by brchi17
Now come on Leigh, you can't tell me from that dam small shot on the 10/10th forum doesn't at first glance it doesn't look like Tratty's 2003 car ???

Dam 2 minute edit rule, now it look slike I've got a case of the stutters to go with my sight problem :D

It was meant to read......

Now come on Leigh, you can't tell me from that dam small shot on the 10/10th forum at first glance it doesn't look like Tratty's 2003 car ???

cheers. :)

[Grubby]

The Tratt livery doesn't look too bad.

We all know what it is too. :D

Grubby

[Leigh]

Originally posted by brchi17
Now come on Leigh, you can't tell me from that dam small shot on the 10/10th forum doesn't at first glance it doesn't look like Tratty's 2003 car ???

I'm sure had there been a larger shot of the car (or even a side on shot) that both of us could have easily worked out that it was a VY !!!

But I must admit, it's worth a good laugh.

cheers.
A seeing eye dog?:p

There is a side on picture AND the front view...;)

(I know, it was put there after I posted the link)

Seriously, I saw it was a VY straight away...but that was what I was looking for...I can see how it could be confusing though.

Cheers

[biante4321]

the kmart racing is pretty sick, i like it

[brchi17]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
A seeing eye dog?:p

There is a side on picture AND the front view...

(I know, it was put there after I posted the link)

Seriously, I saw it was a VY straight away...but that was what I was looking for...I can see how it could be confusing though.

Cheers

After this post, I went back & had another look at the thread on 10/10ths & suprise, suprise, there is a pic of the side of Tratty's car, which definately looks like a VY - I might add that this was the first time I've seen it too !!!

At the end of the day it does look & will stand out on the track - I just hope it's a bit more competitive than his Barra was.

cheers. :)

[Malik]

There was also Ozemail pics there.. (on my site now too)

[V8SS]

I like the look of the K Mart cars, especially the front view but I'm not too sure about the "helmet" above the rear wheel arches. It looks a bit like an afterthought.

[teambrock50]

The new Team Kiwi livery is out anyone got any pictures as i cant find any?

[HRT 1-2]

Originally posted by Kiwiracing
Leigh - we are trying to scrape together enough dosh to buy a can of Dulux!!!!!!!!:D

Kiwiracing

Good Work, LMAO:D

[HRT 1-2]

Hey Malik, hope the fame isn't going to your head or do you have a lot of friends;) Good feedback!

Check it! (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50958)

[brchi17]

Malik, I took a few pics of the Audi pacecar at the motorshow last night if you want them, but it's last years livery.

PM me for them if your wish.

cheers. :)

[Malik]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
Hey Malik, hope the fame isn't going to your head or do you have a lot of friends;) Good feedback!

Check it! (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50958)

I saw that last nite mate.... and I have no idea who they are lol... but hey.. means the site is getting noticed and that was the aim :)

[Leigh]

Looks like Team Brock/Paul Weel Racing have done it again...Livery changed between 8 and 11:30 this morning...click here (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50958) to see what I mean (scroll down)...

Cheers

[HRT 1-2]

Hey Malik, team Dynamik pic Here (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50970&perpage=25&pagenumber=2)

[HRT 1-2]

Actually keep an eye on that thread Malik, TKR are up there now!

[teambrock50]

Team Dynamik livery looks crap. Should of used the same colours as last year. As for Team Kiwi thats looks crap as well. The best livery so far is Tasman by far.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
Looks like Team Brock/Paul Weel Racing have done it again...Livery changed between 8 and 11:30 this morning...click here (http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50958) to see what I mean (scroll down)...

Cheers

Gee that was quick, kind of like last year ???

Isn't Chandlers owned by Betta Electrical ???

Now that they've gone all white on the bonnet, the red grill kind of looks out of place.

I wonder what it will look like tomorrow ???

cheers. :)

[HRT 1-2]

Originally posted by teambrock50
Team Dynamik livery looks crap. Should of used the same colours as last year. As for Team Kiwi thats looks crap as well. The best livery so far is Tasman by far.

Your just dirty because you haven't got a team.....only gaggin:D

The "$5 car" logo on TKR is a shocka:eek:

[Malik]

Give me 20 minutes or so and Ill have the TKR, Dynamik the different PWR and the Tasman livery up on my site..

Cheers for the links guys :)

[brchi17]

Malik, I'm having some trouble trying to send you the large pic of the pace car, so once I've got it on my home pc, I'll try again.

cheers. :)

[Malik]

Originally posted by brchi17
Gee that was quick, kind of like last year ???

Isn't Chandlers owned by Betta Electrical ???

Now that they've gone all white on the bonnet, the red grill kind of looks out of place.

I wonder what it will look like tomorrow ???

cheers. :)


the red bit on the grill does look out of place with the second bonnet... then again the bonnet looks bare with jut white and writing to me...

[Malik]

Can anyone help me out with pics of David Thexton's car from the 2003 season?

Cheers

[brchi17]

I've been searching the net tonight looking for the black oze-mail car & it's gone they are both white

Bradley's car (http://www.v8supercar.com.au/photogallery/photovi ewlge.asp?ind=M&cat=EVNT&pid=154&piid=9403&pnum=4&pset=CS)

JB's car (http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/g allery/v8x/Events/2004/Melbourne%20Grand%20Prix/Th ursday%20Qualifying//21mg.jpg)

Gee it's going to be hard spotting these two apart now, as apart from their number's (which are the same #'s only reversed) they are identical cars.

Perhaps they'll see the error of their ways & give JB back his black car in time for the Clipsal 500.

cheers. :)

ps Malik, there was a link to the Thexton car on 10/10th about a week ago, but unfortunately I'can't remember which thread to help you out.

[HRT 1-2]

Did you get a Tasman one, there's a few on V8x, here's one (http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/g allery/v8x/Events/2004/Melbourne%20Grand%20Prix/Th ursday%20Qualifying//31mg.jpg)

[Malik]

Yeah I have the pics HRT 1-2....

Cheers mate

[V8SS]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
Did you get a Tasman one, there's a few on V8x, here's one (http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/g allery/v8x/Events/2004/Melbourne%20Grand%20Prix/Th ursday%20Qualifying//31mg.jpg)

That Tasman car is certainly a standout livery. Do Biante have the rights to this?
Team Dynamik is a bit disappointing. Didn't think TKR was too bad.

[chups]

hey malik, its a shame to see whats happened to the site, but theres no point when your just getting abuse. ill send you an email regarding the future of other project and we can work something out.

also if you only use pics taken by members on here and stuff, then with their permission, you can post them without a problem.

[HRT 1-2]

So what happened?

[the_goldie]

HRT 1-2, read Maliks front page - seems their alot of whinges out there...

Jeez Malik what the hell happened! How many people complained. I thought the images were from people that gave you permission. Do people have nothing better to do than whinge about a few photos! It is not like you are making millions of dollars let alone 1c from the bloody site!

If you can save a picture and there is nothing on a website to say anything different about using it then what's the problem... Also like V8X seem to do is put a watermark of where the photo belongs...

Oh well people seem to get upset about tiny things in this world... What's a fan site without photos?

Appreciated your efforts.

:mad:

[teambrock50]

Thats a real shame Malik that you had to close the website. It was very handy.

[V8SS]

Sorry about your website Malik. You were doing a top notch job and a great service for us fans.

I came across a similar site to yours a few days ago which had a lot of the photos you were using. I'm pretty sure it was a privately run site as they had a disclaimer saying that it was not approved by AVESCO. I don't have the link but will try and find it.

[the_goldie]

My 5c on the liveries for this year :) I am sure my opinions will change when I see some of them at the track come Eastern Creek.

HOLDEN
===========

World Industries (Team Dynamik) - what have they done? Last year it was great even when World Industries was down the side, but this Holy Grail looks terrible the way it has been done and put over the top of the Team Dynamik logo.

HRT - LOVE IT!!!

KMart Racing Team - still undecided...might grow on me. Leaning towards liking.

Sirromet - not too bad, similar to previous years, just with a splash of orange added this year.

Castrol Perkins Motorsport - LOVE IT!!! One of the best.

PWR - Pretty good. Put this car next to the Valvoline Cummins cars and they look exactly the same, just dfifferent colours - same designer maybe?

Valvoline Cummins - yeah its the same as previous years but I like the previous years and compared to some liveries this year it looks good!

Toll Racing - Looks good on the Holden.

Team Kiwi - Hyundai logo looks strange the way it sits on the side plus it overlaps the silver fern- otherwise not too bad.

Lansvale - Looks good! Stands out among the crowd.


FORD
===========
Team Betta Electrical - Didn't like at first and still do not like it, although it does grab your attention - so I guess it will do what it is suppose to do.

Pirtek Racing - similar to last years and looks good. You certainly can't miss the Pirtek sponsorship.

Orrcon Racing - Fairly plain - looks ok. I like the number on the rear wing.

Ozemail - It's alright.

Caltex Havoline - Similar to last years but still looks pretty good.

Super Cheap Auto Racing - Looks great. I like the changes.

Shell Helix Racing - same as last years... and I liked last years so I guess I like this years.

WPS - Like it.

FPR - Love Lowndes and Setons is ok.

[HRT 1-2]

Strewth Malik, that sucks!

What were they official complaints or plonkers sticking their beak in?

Thanks for the time it was there mate, good work!

You really wonder about the world we live in now :confused:

When it comes to having to register things like the Aussie chant and Ug boots plus this sort of shyte, WTF :mad:

[Malik]

The majority were from admins of sites such as 10/10ths.. whining about the use of pics from their forums..

see now I figured if you post a photo on a public forum then you take your chances on what happens to it.. apparently thats not the case... alot of people seem to miss the fact that my site was a "fan site" and not an official money making endevour on my part.. let alone the fact of the time and effort I put into it over the last couple of months and the time and effort from chups and a couple other people involved in it... so they started whining about copyright and theft of photo's etc..

so I cant be bothered emailing every single person who takes a photo to use it and then to be limited as to how I can use it.. I wanted the site to have a certain look and some of the photo's didnt fit it.. so I took the car out of the background.. I mean who cars about a bit of grass smearing by a 100km/h plus car anyways.. but the person taking the photo apparently did.. so got a whine about that... I mean it was grass people.. get over it..


if theres some way of re-opening the site without the extra added work for me then I will reopen it otherwise its taking up enough of my time already and considering I was making no money from it I cant see why I need to put more time into it for what is in effect little return to me .. I mean Im glad you guys enjoyed it and liked it and all but the work involved behind it was becoming huge as it was and that was just keeping up with news and livery's

Ill keep an eye out for a way to reopen it...

any legal beagles out there with ideas feel free to pm them to me lol... particularly if anyone really knows the in's and out's of copyright.

Cheers

[HRT 1-2]

Whining about the use of pics from forums, what a joke:mad:

There are some drop kicks around that really need to get a life and remember what's important!

As I said in my previous post on this, the world is a strange place these days and the fact that we have to sit back and live with ****e is ridiculous:mad:

[Malik]

I wholeheartedly agree with that HRT....

[frosty]

Malik,

I agree with everyone's comments ..... It is unbelieveable... these people need to get a life... What harm was your site doing??? Absolutely none......

My suggestion, is it possible for your site to 'link' to the various teams liveries?

[Malik]

Originally posted by frosty
Malik,

I agree with everyone's comments ..... It is unbelieveable... these people need to get a life... What harm was your site doing??? Absolutely none......

My suggestion, is it possible for your site to 'link' to the various teams liveries?

I can link to other sites and then it would be a case of anyone using my site to search the site Ive linked to to find the pics they want but it would sort of defeat the purpose of my site having all the liveries in one spot...

something to think about though..

Im conisdering reopening the site and ONLY posting pictures that are emailed to me but that would involve people actually doing that.. while I had a couple doing that already I wouldnt have had nearly the amount of pictures I had... but its another way of doing things.

[frosty]

Originally posted by Malik
Im conisdering reopening the site and ONLY posting pictures that are emailed to me..... [/B]

Anyone who is going to the Grand Prix this weekend, please take pictures of the V8supercars and send then to Malik....

Could you then use their pictures.... or is that contravening some obscure law or regulation......

[Malik]

Originally posted by frosty
Anyone who is going to the Grand Prix this weekend, please take pictures of the V8supercars and send then to Malik....

Could you then use their pictures.... or is that contravening some obscure law or regulation......

if people email me their photos and say "you can use them" then I can use them...

technically if I wanted to push the issue I can post pics anyways if its considering reporting news as showing pictures even if they arent my own in the reporting of news isnt considered infringing copyright as long as theres an appropriate reference to the owner..



personally I just see it as people being pissy about it .. I mean like someone said.. what harm was the site doing.. and its not like I was making money from it in any way/shape or form..

[Kiwiracing]

Originally posted by Malik
if people email me their photos and say "you can use them" then I can use them...

technically if I wanted to push the issue I can post pics anyways if its considering reporting news as showing pictures even if they arent my own in the reporting of news isnt considered infringing copyright as long as theres an appropriate reference to the owner..



personally I just see it as people being pissy about it .. I mean like someone said.. what harm was the site doing.. and its not like I was making money from it in any way/shape or form..

Malik I'm annoyed also at these buggers, but really I think they are too late, you did a great job bringing us the new Liverys, but now the season has started we can see them live or on the box, so don't worry about "them" too much.

Thanks for a job well done.

Kiwiracing

[V8SS]

What do everyone now think about this seasons liveries now that we've seen them in action.
I reckon the PWR and Castrol cars look even better than the HRT and K Mart cars. Just my opinion.

[wayno]

HRT and K-Mart cars look AWESOME. PWR and Toll also look great. Castrol, um, I stick by my earlier opinion. Team Dynamik is reasonable. I think the orange spoils the Morris car. GRM classy as always.
Malik, when I get to a round with no bloody fences I'll send you a heap and you are free to use whatever you like mate. Don't give up the fight-there are heaps of us out there that will support you.

[Malik]

Mate if people want to support the site they are welcome to email me pictures and I will be glad to reopen the site...

Chances are I may even include a proper picture gallery where people can upload their own pictures to make life easy..

Those that used Vanpyre Models site will know the gallery I mean.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Malik
Mate if people want to support the site they are welcome to email me pictures and I will be glad to reopen the site...

Chances are I may even include a proper picture gallery where people can upload their own pictures to make life easy..

Those that used Vanpyre Models site will know the gallery I mean.

Go on Malik, I'm sure admin would be happy for someone else to host some of the many pictures that we upload to their server everyday :D !!!

cheers. :)

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Malik
Mate if people want to support the site they are welcome to email me pictures and I will be glad to reopen the site...

Chances are I may even include a proper picture gallery where people can upload their own pictures to make life easy..

Those that used Vanpyre Models site will know the gallery I mean.

Go on Malik, I'm sure admin would be happy for someone else to host some of the many pictures that we upload to their server everyday :D !!!

cheers. :)

[Malik]

Originally posted by brchi17
Go on Malik, I'm sure admin would be happy for someone else to host some of the many pictures that we upload to their server everyday :D !!!

cheers. :)

could work... Ill have to talk to the guy that was doing the server and see if he will set it up again cos he had all the software ready to be used.

[BB]

Hey Malik,
how about jotting a few lines down and sending it off to your local University's Law School. There might just be some brainiac kid studying Internet law or something that could give you some insight into the do's and don'ts. Just a suggestion.

[Malik]

Originally posted by BB
Hey Malik,
how about jotting a few lines down and sending it off to your local University's Law School. There might just be some brainiac kid studying Internet law or something that could give you some insight into the do's and don'ts. Just a suggestion.

I had thought about looking into it more and getting advice but figured it would cost money..

never even thought about this.. could be a go'er...

[Leigh]

Malik,

I've been doing some research for myself on Copyright Law...

I've stumbled across these two articles on Australian Copyright Law...I will not quote, as you will read in the second article that that may technically be a breach of copyright...

Photographs (http://www.copyright.org.au/PDF/InfoSheets/G011.p df) Specifically the last section on Page 2 and the first on Page 3 saying only the photographer (owner of copyright) can communicate (e.g. email or put on a website) without written consent of the copyright owner...

and

Quotes and Extracts (http://www.copyright.org.au/PDF/InfoSheets/G034.p df) that one can not simply cut and paste/type a substantial part of a text...and even a simple one line quote from an article may need written permission, even if fully referenced...

Given this, I technically breach copyright all the time...but as with any law/regulation, it is only when one is caught that one needs to worry...(i.e. a complaint lodged).

Here is another sheet on Website Copyright...unclear as to whether a link is a breach of copyright, but using a logo to link (without written permission) definately is.

Cheers