Moffat - Bond Twin Set Question.

[berkut76]

I've been thinking about pre-ordering XC Moffat - Bond set from Gateway Models. However, this store threw a wrench in my plans. Apparently, you could only pre-order this set if you buy (or have bought from them in the past) the model of 1977 XB Moffat's championship car as a part fo a deal. I've ordered from Gateway before because they don't charge for international shipping for orders above $200AUD. Although, they don't subtract GST for International Orders either. I know that I could order this set from Biante later on, but for now I would like to explore the feasibility of Gateway's offer. So, I've got a bunch of questions for you guys. Are there any paint scheme differences between the championship car and the twin set cars? Gateway lists this set as being XB, I thought that those cars were XCs? Why among all the XB models released, the XB Championship Car is the "cheapest" one on the secondary market? That's probably the reason why Gateway is so anxious to unload it.

I hope this is not too many of questions,

Sincerely,
Sergey

[drof]

The 1977 ATCC winning XB GT is the same model as the Bathurst 1977 because there was no GT in the Falcon XC range, but Moffat knew how to look after his sponsers. Instead of abandoning the XB GT racing car or running a superseded model, he simply upgraded the XB to XC secs with the addition of a new grille and tail treatment. One of the many billboards around at the time had pictures of Allan Moffat smiling saying "I'd drive a mile for a Camel"
So Sergy even though this is the same model with front and rear make-overs it is going to be the most sought after Model/s as it is the most Famous of all Australian Motor Racing finishes.
As for Gateway Models I have dealt with them for the last few years and have built a good relationship with them, so I think that by them looking after the customers that have been loyal in the past is a great idea. You could shop around and probably get better prices at different dealers but as this one goes, by buying off Gateway regularly you may not get the cheapest prices overall, but what you get is great customer support, good advice.and looked after at times like this.
This may sound like a advert for Gateway but when you are a overseas collector things like the above mentioned decides who gets my business. And why do I buy from Australia instead of NZ well for one I get the new released models sometimes up to a month before they get to model shops here and two it is a guaranteed supply, there is nothing worse than your local model shop saying we are getting 100 and only recieving 20,luckily this has not happened to me since I stopped buying locally and started using Gateway.

Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[terrine]

that is an interesting marketting theory...
to assume that all purchasers of the ATCC car will purchase the twin set as well....

[berkut76]

Thanks Dave, but you've got me more confused.
So, we've got the 1977 championship winning XB GT, and then we have a pseudo Barthurst'77 XC with XB inards: engine, transmission, etc. If I'm correct in this assumption, than the Biante set should be unique in terms that the car had a "face" of XC, but the interior of XB. The reason, I'm asking all these questions is that I've been planning to add just one XB and one XC to my collection. I was thinking about getting a twin set as XC, and later on getting an XB. I've had my heart set on a stunning looking on Moffat's Brut 33 XB. However, given your insight Dave I have to re-think my purchasing plans yet again.
So, here it goes: Does Brut 33 XB is any more special than the 1977 Championship winning XB?

Cheers,
Sergey

[GTSCoup]

I would get the Brut 33 XB over the '77 Championship car.

The Brut 33 car looks excellent and the '77 car is very similar livery to the Bathurst cars. That way you wont have three cars in your collection with very similar livery.

Why don't you order the twin pack from Biante?. Sure, you pay postage but you don't pay GST which would possibly work out cheaper.

I hope this is helpful.

[drof]

At the end of the day Sergy you are the one who has to make up your own mind. Both cars are unique in ther own ways, but if I was going only to get one it would have to be the twin pack for reasons stated in my above thread, it is a piece of great motor racing history. As for you only want 1 XB and 1 XC look at the twin pack as a XB/XC Hybrid,a unique car with History to match.
The Brut 33 is not as special as the 1977 Championship winning XB or the twinpack, for the Brut 33 car was the best prepared car for the 1974 Hardie-Ferodo 1000 with extensive testing in the US, but Moffat's Brut 33 XB GT failed.He was driving with one of the forgotten men of Bathurst, Dieter Glemser, Moffat qualified 15th and lasted just 92 laps after electrical, brake and wheel bearing problems and finally clutch trouble,ended Moffat's race. Moffat's Team were the equalivant of HRT in today's racing, Big Factory Backing, best of everything, big money, big egos. So for Moffat to fail like that was a big thing.
To sum up Sergy we all collect different models for different reasons, I suggest if you don't collect it for sentimental reasons or "I remember" reasons collect it because you like the look of it and the Moffat XB GT is a good looking model with all the Brut 33 markings. (and hey guys what a wonderful aftershave it is).

Regards and hoping still not confusing you

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[oldxr]

Sergy, i would go for the Brut33 car as i consider it to be probably the best looking model released so far, and if they do the twin set correctly the rear side indicators should be different from Moffats car compared to Bonds car as xc's have horizontal and xb's have vertical.
;)

[v8coupe]

I mainly get all the holdens, but getting a few fords. I have also ordered the twin set and not getting the ATCC car because it is similar to the one already released.
The Brut 33 and Black federation also look great so I got them as well.
Your collection, your choice in the end.

[Ford 17]

Originally posted by oldxr
Sergy, i would go for the Brut33 car as i consider it to be probably the best looking model released so far, and if they do the twin set correctly the rear side indicators should be different from Moffats car compared to Bonds car as xc's have horizontal and xb's have vertical.
;)

G'day oldxr, I'm almost positive you will find that both cars raced at Bathurst had vertical rear indicators. Bond's car I think had darker headlight covers for the pit crew to tell the cars apart. If I'm wrong I'm sure some one will let me know.

Cheers Spud.

[XR8]

Originally posted by Ford 17


G'day oldxr, I'm almost positive you will find that both cars raced at Bathurst had vertical rear indicators. Bond's car I think had darker headlight covers for the pit crew to tell the cars apart. If I'm wrong I'm sure some one will let me know.

Cheers Spud.

Ford 17, you are correct, you beat me to this discussion!!
I've researched my "Ford - The Racing History" book, and both
cars are exactly as you describe...

I already have the 1977 XB, and look forward to adding these to my collection. When I do eventually have all the Moffat cars, they will only add to the value of my collection. There's nothing worse than having them all 'except one...........'

Ed :)

[oldxr]

I stand corrected, some times the memory plays up on a old bloke.

[XR8]

No worries XR, memories play up on us younger blokes too!!!

Ed :)

[Ford 17]

Hey Mate,
Don't worry I'm no pup either I just love my "FORDS". Remember when Moffat and Ford kept on coming first just like that bloke what's his name well you know who I mean.

I think it would be great to go back to the old days with out the pace cars. When you could get a two to three lap advantage and still win with a buffer albeit asking your No. two driver to slow down to let the Boss win. Still the best Bathurst finish ever and I don't think you will ever see it again. Meaning the 1 - 2 finish. Even if it was staged. That photo I don't think will ever be equaled in the history of Bathurst. To quote the big feller sort of "We'll Be Back" and it will be soon.

Long Live The Blue Oval and Dick.

Regards Spud.

[Donny05]

That may have been the best finish for you Ford guys, but Holden had the 1-2 finish in 1984 in those glorious Day Glo colours which will always be my favourite (being a Holden Supporter). I think for any team to get their two cars across the line in first and second position after 6 hrs of racing is an outstanding achievment. :D

P.S. Admin when will we get the twin set of the great Holden 1-2 from Bathurst 84?

[the_goldie]

Admin - any more news on this little baby :D "are we there yet???" Can't wait to see the finish product.

One other thing - for all those who keep their models in the packaging I wonder how this one will look?

[bayden]

I've got a question for Trev, Richard and crew. Is it going to be possible for those of us who like to buy our models through the club web site, to pre-order the Ford twin set to make sure that we don't miss this model. After the reaction and consequent sell out of the DJR Sierra, I'd like to make sure that I can secure my purchase without the absolute panic and confusion that surrounded the Sierra. I can only imagine that this will be a very much sought after release.:p

[Oh Five]

It would be good if we could , not all of us have trusworthy "contacts" in the trade. In this day and age you would think that the net is the best way to secure an item, i know we get notice of cars been released, but unless you are online all day, then its a fair chance of missing out.

[Nick Short]

Get your hankies out lads and think of a poor Pom who by the time he wakes up finds that the model he wants has sold out.....Damn those time differences.

[berkut76]

I'm in the same boat Nick. You snooze you lose is painfully relevant to the overseas collectors. However, I remember Admin promising to run a special pre-order program for this one, which will start several weeks BEFORE the official release. If that's still true, I would appreciate if admin would re-affirm this fact.

Regards,
Sergey

[Mark]

A question for you all.

Are none of you near shops? If not, I can understand why you buy through the net. If you are near one, is it that hard to spend six or so months becoming one of those customers who gets treated well for those few models that are hard to get..??

I am just asking, as my nightmare is that Dianne's models will oneday not be around and then where do I go...???

[Graeme]

About the 1977 Twin Set , both cars feature vertical rear repeater light assemblies , and yes , Bond's car wore the dark headlight covers.

It was and isn't unusual to do cosmetic updates on older bodyshells in Australian touring car racing.

Both Moffat and Bond were running their team XB Falcon Hardtops in the 1977 Touring Car Championship and it probably is correct that those cars were upgraded to XC appearance for the Bathurst race. It's also just as likely that other XC Falcons at Bathurst that year probably started their racing lives as XA model Hardtops. It should also be mentioned that the interior dashboards in Moffat's cars were also updated to the XC "flat dash" version.

I'd love to see the 1974 John Goss Bathurst XA model, but the sheetmetal differences are greater than XB vs XC. Has anyone else noted that the Biante XB models feature XC front guard extensions and hence the "sweptdown" look of the XB nose is somewhat lacking ??

Our friend in San Francisco is stuck for choice. Here's my choice:

If I were to have one only model of each variant I would have the 1974 Moffat Brut33 XB and the 1978 Moffat Cobra XC.

If you can handle the idea of two XCs, then the 1977 Moffat Bathurst XC Twin Set is the standout choice.

[terrine]

unfortunately there is no stand alone model shop in our fine town and the local agent for biante/autoart has indicated that he will not be ordering twin sets...........i am not alone, i am sure
i do hope there will be sufficient available on the biante site

[the_goldie]

Mark,

I can not speak for everyone here but I do not have time to go into model shops during the week or the weekend plus I purchase 90% of my models off the internet why?
1. It is convenient.
2. Beats driving to all the model shops with in a 20km radius to find that model you are after (or telephoning them).
3. Can sometimes find bargains or rare models.

There is one model shop in Sydney that I visit every now and then (mainly to check out the models before I buy) but they are soooo expensive it is not funny and hence I would never even consider buying cars from here!


Cheers :)

[Graeme]

I think contributors are getting well and truly sidetracked.

This thread started as discussion on XB/XC Falcon Models.
As most people want to talk about where to buy their models perhaps it's time to open a new thread !

[berkut76]

Thank you Graeme,
The Twin Set is a must, I'll try to find some other XB (read the cheapest one) at a later date. Like with Nick, internet is mine only way to procure models. DJR's Sierra was a regrettable, but "replaceable" (I didn't get one) loss, since I probably would be able to get the Ludwig's version. XC twin set is in the whole other category since the cars themselves do not have American and European "look alikes". If the Sierra's fiasco is going to be repaeted with the twin set, I would definitely abandon collecting models of Aussie racing muscle cars as my frustration factor would go through the roof.

Regards,
Sergey

[terrine]

if you wish to preorder the twin set and get an xb at the same time....

www.gatewaymodels.com.au/category8_1.htm

the famous 1/2 and the acompanying ATCC winner of the same year all for 500 dingoes...

WINNERS ARE GRINNERS

peter

[berkut76]

Thank you Peter,
The problem with a Gateway Combo deal is that one will end up with three models in one livery. I'm trying to avoid that. However, if Biante won't come through again, then I'll definitely consider gateway package.

Regards,
Sergey

[Graeme]

There are other retailers apart from Gateway in Brisbane.

If you choose simply to order via the internet then there is one store in Perth, Western Australia , you can investigate.

Try : www.stanbridges.com.au

They are currently running special deals on VT/VX Holden Commodore V8 Supercar models.

There are also the Games World stores (five) in Perth, but alas no website. I can provide phone or fax numbers if you wish.

There are also other companies with websites on the eastern side of Australia, such as Model Cars of the World in Melbourne.

As for the Sierra, I'm sure we will see other aussie versions in the future, say perhaps Moffat's ANZ versions ??

Anyway, all a bloke in San Francisco needs is the Steve McQueen Bullit collection - surely nothing else matters !!!

[Richard Poole]

There will be other versions of the Aussie Sierras including Brock Mobil, Moffat ANZ, and the 1988 Johnson touring car championship winning car.

Everyone will be notified well in advance for the Moffat twin pack and there will be plenty available through the site.

[berkut76]

There were quite a few chase scenes filmed in San Francisco. In my view, "The Bullit" is not the best. I like the one from "The Rock" (not an XD) where Nicholas Cage is chasing Shawn Connery in a yellow Ferrari (348 or 355). The Bullit's Mustang is not a priority since it's easy to buy, and what's fun in that?! So, many models, so little money.
Thanks Richard for instilling a bit of hope in me, but we'll see what happens.

Regards,
Sergey

[terrine]

hey sergey
i just noticed that my last reply on this thread absolutely stated what you you mentioned on your original post....
aluminium cookware....mum has a lot to answer for

duh

[the_goldie]

I just saw a photo of the Moffat/Bond Twin Set with Bathurst Winners plaque!!! As BIG KEV would say "I'm Excited!" (what ever happened to big kev anyway???) What a great addition to the set :D Can not wait to get my hands on these 2 beauties!

http://www.biante.com.au/showroom.cfm?mode=details&ID=78

Keep up the good work BIANTE!!!

[bernoo]

Originally posted by Ford 17
Hey Mate,
Don't worry I'm no pup either I just love my "FORDS". Remember when Moffat and Ford kept on coming first just like that bloke what's his name well you know who I mean.

I think it would be great to go back to the old days with out the pace cars. When you could get a two to three lap advantage and still win with a buffer albeit asking your No. two driver to slow down to let the Boss win. Still the best Bathurst finish ever and I don't think you will ever see it again. Meaning the 1 - 2 finish. Even if it was staged. That photo I don't think will ever be equaled in the history of Bathurst. To quote the big feller sort of "We'll Be Back" and it will be soon.

Long Live The Blue Oval and Dick.

Regards Spud.

Who is that driver????? Skaife. Do you know the difference between scaife and Brock?..... Everyone liked Brock

[oldxr]

Will we be getting a replica winners plaque with the cars. bernoo, your right even some of us Ford supporters liked/respected Brock, but the other bloke , forget it.