F1 Spa

[wayno]

Oh man I can't wait for this week-end. F1 back at the best track going for these things. I for one can't wait to see these wonderful machines pounding through corners like Eau Rouge once again.
I'll be following the timing live on Saturday night and will probably be on the chat room at the same time if anyone wants to discuss proceedings as they happen.
This will be a nice change after the go kart track that is Hungary.

[brchi17]

Same here Wayne, this was one of my fav GP's & I really missed it last year when it was missing from the series.

I must admit, I can't wait for this one & I think it's also one of Shumi's fav tracks. I'm also looking foward to seeing the #1 Ferrari blitz the field again.

cheers. :)

[wayno]

Well this is where it all started for Michael and he's had some of his finest drives here. I don't think anyone will be able to touch the red cars, but for the sake of interest I hope I'm wrong!

[brchi17]

I would like to see a wet race & perhaps then MW might have a chance of driving beyond the limits of the Jag for a podium result.....:D

Stranger things have happened & one can only dream.

cheers. :)

[wayno]

Spa weather report for Friday is clearing showers and 15 degrees. Saturday heavy showers arriving (not sure what time) and Sunday fine with a top of 18.

[Andrew]

The problem if it is wet is that it will be a Micheal Schumacher benefit - hey, who am I kidding? That's what this whole season has been so far!
I hope beyonfd all hope that Webber does well, and that Toyota get to demonstrate the awesome power of their engine down the long straight. I want a double points finish from the red and white Panasonic cars.

[wayno]

Session one over and done with and Anthony Davidson is quiquest in the BAR. This kid has done an excellent job this year and hopefully the rumours about him getting a drive with Sauber next year are true.
Schumacher is second with Barrichello third right behind him. Scary showing from the red cars already.
Wirdheim was a creditable fourth in the third Jaguar with Raikkonen next in the McLaren, over one second down on Schumacher.
Alonso is in sixth with Webber in seventh just ahead of Klein. Pizzonia is ninth and Briscoe is the best of the Toyota's in tenth.
Then it's Button, Montoya, Sato, Fisichella, Coulthard and Massa. Trulli is 17th ahead of the two Toyotas and the rest don't matter.

[singer]

I'm no longer interested as the F1 has become a ONE HORSE race. Very disappointing

Bring on the 2005 season. I think we will be in for a much closer racing season even if Ferarri win the odd race or two:p

[wayno]

Mate I agree with the one horse race thing, but other teams have dominated in their 'era' in the past.
What it boils down to is it's still F1 and it's still the greatest show on earth.

[wayno]

Session 2 red flagged due to Briscoe crash at Eau Rouge. He's out of the car though.

[singer]

Originally posted by wayno
Mate I agree with the one horse race thing, but other teams have dominated in their 'era' in the past.
What it boils down to is it's still F1 and it's still the greatest show on earth.

AGREED!!! Williams/McLaren/Lotus/Mercedes/Maserati to name but a few.

But, what makes the F1 racing more interresting (for me) is the close racing and the test of the skill of the drivers as well as the mabhinery they drive.

[wayno]

Kimi has come out punching in session 2 with a 1.44.701. Button is second with Schumacher third. Davidson went fourth quickest with Sato in fifth. Good showing from the BAR's.
Coulthard sixth, then Pizzonia, Reubens, Alonso, Montoya, Massa, Fisichella, Webber in 13th, Panis and Zonta.

[wayno]

Seems a left rear pucture caused Briscoe's, crash. Glad he walked away and is ok.

[timbo333]

Good news to hear Briscoe seems OK from his off. He was going quick too in the 2nd session.

Williams seem to be struggling a little but it is early stages yet.

Good to see a mix in the top 10 for Friday practice as well.

Very much looking forward to seeing the race....

Hope Mark Webber qualifies in a decent grid possie.

Cheers,

Timbo.

[brchi17]

1st 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'44"701
2nd 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'45"015
3rd 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'45"137
4th 35 DAVIDSON BAR Honda M 1'45"437
5th 10 SATO BAR Honda M 1'45"451
6th 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'45"507
7th 04 PIZZONIA Williams BMW M 1'45"559
8th 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'45"625
9th 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'45"658
10th 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'45"678
11th 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'45"960
12th 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'45"978
13th 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'46"471
14th 17 PANIS Toyota M 1'46"528
15th 16 ZONTA Toyota M 1'46"902
16th 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'46"912
17th 37 WIRDHEIM Jaguar Cosworth M 1'47"265
18th 15 KLIEN Jaguar Cosworth M 1'47"370
19th 38 BRISCOE Toyota M 1'47"634
20th 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 1'48"687
21st 18 HEIDFELD Jordan Ford B 1'48"803
22nd 39 GLOCK Jordan Ford B 1'48"817
23rd 19 PANTANO Jordan Ford B 1'48"962
24th 40 LEINDERS Minardi Cosworth B 1'49"480
25th 20 BRUNI Minardi Cosworth B 1'49"742

[dwarfs]

i was hoping i would see michael at the bottom of the list but no.
whats up with trulli these days he is starting to be a back runner just afetr his win at monte carlo.

cheers

[wayno]

Well the infamous Spa weather has struck again. The cars only got to run for about 15 minutes this morning due to fog delaying the start of the morning session. Once it did Pizzonia took the front corner off the Williams, halting the session.
So it's a wet run for qualifying which is due to start soon.

[skyzerr33]

Trulli takes poll

wet weather effected the qualifing run, renaults went in the dryer conditions ferrari in the rain.

P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Times Ave/Gaps Laps
1. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'56"232 215.972 Km/h 3
2. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'56"304 + 0'00"072 3
3. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'56"686 + 0'00"454 3
4. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'57"990 + 0'01"758 3
5. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'58"040 + 0'01"808 3
6. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'58"175 + 0'01"943 3
7. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'58"729 + 0'02"497 3
8. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'59"008 + 0'02"776 3
9. 17 PANIS Toyota M 1'59"552 + 0'03"320 3
10. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'59"635 + 0'03"403 3
11. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'59"681 + 0'03"449 3
12. 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 2'00"237 + 0'04"005 3
13. 15 KLIEN Jaguar Cosworth M 2'01"246 + 0'05"014 3
14. 04 PIZZONIA Williams BMW M 2'01"447 + 0'05"215 3
15. 10 SATO BAR Honda M 2'01"813 + 0'05"581 3
16. 18 HEIDFELD Jordan Ford B 2'02"645 + 0'06"413 3
17. 20 BRUNI Minardi Cosworth B 2'02"651 + 0'06"419 3
18. 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 2'03"303 + 0'07"071 3
19. 19 PANTANO Jordan Ford B 2'03"833 + 0'07"601 3
20. 16 ZONTA Toyota M 2'03"895 + 0'07"663 3

[wayno]

Wet dry session for final qualifying.
Trulli gets pole with a 1.56.232 after being able to run on intermediate tyres. Schumacher second 1.56.304, Alonso third 1.56.686 and Coulthard fourth 1.57.990.
Then Fisichella 1.58.040, Barrichello 1.58.175 and Webber who ran in full wet conditions at 1.58.729.
Massa eigth 1.59.008, Panis ninth 1.59.552 and Raikkonen 10th 1.59.635 after an error at the Bus Stop chicane.
Montoya was 11th on intermediates (1.59.681) but was unlucky as it started raining again just as he started his flying lap. Button 12th 2.00.237, Klein next 2.01.246 then Pizzonia (2.01.447), Sato (2.01.813, Heidfeld (2.02.645), Bruni (2.02.651), Baumgartner (2.03.303), Pantano (2.03.833) and Zonta is last at 2.03.695.
The small drying track window in the middle of the session really shook up the grid and if the Renault's can get their usual start we could be in for an interesting first few laps.
I think it will really be Schumacher by how far in the end though.

[wayno]

You just beat me skyzerr33!

[dwarfs]

so much for trulli starting to be a back runner.:D



cheers

[ferrari fan]

On pole is one Michael Schumacher, Borrachello, the BAR family and then the rest.
Alonso has left his teammate floundering Pissonya has blown of the Hambomuncher, who will go to the Almighty Dennis the Mennis, (In what capacity, we do not know, surely NOT as a driver?) and Mark is right behind Kimmy Raikonnen.
We are going to enjoy the crowning of an multiple winner of the drivers Worldchampion,.
This race should be held in Grease ;) to show them who is the mightest of them all
This shortened circuit is absolutly steeped in history, and I did have the pleasure of racing on the old,long, dangerously excilerating one. (in the grey past)
I also did compete on the new layout when it was just completed in 1980.

[wayno]

I don't know what qualifying you were watching. Have another look at the results mate. You are right about the circuit and I agree we will probably see Michael deservedly crowned champion tonight.

[jager]

Pissonya has blown of the Hambomuncher, who will go to the Almighty Dennis the Mennis

Err, not quite........

11th - MONTOYA 1'59"681
14th - PIZZONIA 2'01"447

But hey, what's 2 seconds between friends. Either way its another forgetable weekend for Williams. 2005 can't come quick enough for these guys.

[dwarfs]

well montoya is getting some bad luck this year he has been DSQ twice went from 2ND to 11th in 1 race to then finish 5th and now this.
not a happy columbian:)


cheers

[skyzerr33]

not sure if its delayed or not in perth but night shift means i get to watch it :)

just hoping for a close race, as i suspect the red cars will win again just want to keep it interesting.

[ferrari fan]

Originally posted by jager
Err, not quite........

11th - MONTOYA 1'59"681
14th - PIZZONIA 2'01"447

But hey, what's 2 seconds between friends. Either way its another forgetable weekend for Williams. 2005 can't come quick enough for these guys.

Sorry Ian ,but ther final result of Q is as follows;From off. F1 site.
#6 Pissonya 1.20.170
#7 Hambomuncher 1.20.199.
2 one hundreds of a second difference in Q ,which is a lot between team drivers.

[ferrari fan]

You can follow the race on the official Formula1 site and it is worth it , Webber is already out :mad:
SCHUMACHER IN 6TH
this is one hell of a battle.

[toad]

got it on live TV here (I have to rub it in) and the race is sensational. Except that Webber is out...he ran up the back of Barichello.

I think Montoya may be facing a penalty for taking out Trulli

[ferrari fan]

Well Schumy did not win ,But did achieve his 7th drivers championship with his placing in this race.
What a carnage and plenty of racing dicing and overtaking, looking forward to watch it shortly.

[toad]

What a cracking race.
What a set of drama's. I was on the edge of my seat all the way.

How good is Kimi

[skyzerr33]

followed on the formula1 site

can't wait for the reply should be worth the watch.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by toad
......I think Montoya may be facing a penalty for taking out Trulli

Yeah, what was going on there, leaving the decison on this for after the race :confused: !!!

i thought he should have got a drive-thru, but now that he retired from the race, i bet nothing will happen.

I wonder if JPM actually had damage on his car, or did he just crack it when the tyre blew ???

Anyhow, it was a dam fine race & good to see that there was a bit fo passing & more than one team competative in the scheme of things.

cheers. :)

[jager]

Yeah, what was going on there, leaving the decison on this for after the race !!!

This is a new rule for 2004. There are no more drive thru penalties and all issues are dealt with after the race to aviod someones race being spoilt by a poor stewards decision in the heat of the moment.

On the ITV telecast they put 70% of the blame on Montoya, 30% on Alonso. However, in the replay, Montoya clearly short cut the corner of the chicane (he was 90% on the grass), which brought him into contact with the Renault. If he had taken the correct line he wouldn't have been alongside Alonso - hence I think 90% to blame.

Question is, did Montoya really have suspension failure after the puncture, or did he just spit the dummy.

[dwarfs]

well what a race i was very dissapointed to see zonta motor give way.
and the new guy filling in for ralph was going for his first
podium untill all his gears went.
well button got a wake up call halfway through the race when his tyre gave way and collected a miniardi.

well done kimi.

[Patterson]

I don't believe this...what a joke...

Since when does formula 1 include passing, accidents and someone other than Schumacher winning???

Unbelievable....

When will the F1 community learn?? We want predictable races in cars that drive around like slot cars joined with elastic...and Schumacher dominating from start to finish...

We want all the cars to finish unscathed, in the order they qualified in...after all, isn't this what F1 is all about??

Its just not cricket...

I'm very disappointed...

Now where's that tongue in cheek sarcastic emoticon??;)

Best race in ages...

[ferrari fan]

You must be confused with the Supercar racing other than the great longdistance racing.;)

[Tumbo]

shame i missed the race......getting a bit pessimistic bout the whole "world motorsport scene" Loeb is running away w/ the rally title- schumacher has run away w/ the F1 title, rossi has been running away w/ the motogp title....bout the only titles not cut and dried are the V8s and local rally scene.

bit reminisant of 2002 and that was one boring yr in motorsport. only august and i dont really care :(

[BB]

I had to laugh at the first shunt when Pantano's Jordon ploughed into Bruni's stricken Minardi. Pantano jumped out of his car and walked away very Manwell (ala Faulty Towers) ah Mr. Faulty, Mr. Faulty and Bruni has gone up to him and it looks like he said wtf man you just drove straight into me!!!
Also did any one else see Michaels front left get a wobble up during the pace car. Spooky. Talk about wheel wobble.

All in all a great race and I'd forgotten how spectacular this track is. Just seeing the cars coming out of Eau Rouge and over the hill at the speeds they were doing was stunning.

Congratulations to Michael Schumacher. 7th title at Ferrari's 700th race.

Congratulations to Kimi and McLaren for giving him a car that doesn't self destruct.

[dwarfs]

well pantano had so mush time to stop but just decided to join the accident.:D


cheers

[wayno]

Well it's races like that that restore my faith in F1. That was simply one of the best GP's I've ever seen. Webber must be kicking himself as who knows where he would have finished if he hadn't have stuffed up (big points to him for taking it on the chin in his interview too).
Hard luck stories (Zonta and Pizzonia), passing (Montoya on Michael yee-hah!) and carnage everywhere (Button and Coulthard in the most bizarre ones).
I have not enjoyed a race in ANY form of motorsport that much for ages.
Geez I love the grand old lady of Spa!

[Andrew]

Agreed, fantastic race, from start to finish. There was simply nothing Schumacher could do about Kimi's pace - he was absolutely committed. The Spa circuit should NEVER be left off the GP calendar again. Contrast what an amazing track like Spa can serve up against a shocker like the last GP in Hungary. From the most boring procession to the most scintillating GP this season.

I was however absolutely GUTTED that Zonta's engine expired with three laps to go, while he was in fourth place, starting from last on the grid. It would have amounted to Toyota's best ever finishing position, but no, it seems the McLaren engine curse decided to go to the red and white cars instead... :(

But congratulations to both Michael Schumacher and Ferrari on being the class of the field by a long long way this season. I was one o the people who felt that after last season's lucky championship victory that he should have considered giving it away, but I readily admit that I have eaten mammoth serves of humble pie after this season's awesome performance. He has yet shown again why he is the best in the world - in equal machinery not even Rubens has a hope.

Next year, I hope that I see the other Schumacher on the podium instead (not that I care for him, but he will be piloting a Toyota).

Thank God for tracks like Spa.

[ferrari fan]

In the golden oplden days there were many more tracks like SPA,
slowly but surely the dammed officials have throttled nearly all of them in the name of safety and the almighty $$
Reims ,Dion Zandvoort, old Spa Nuremburg ring, Branch Hatch, the list is endless, and even here in Australia, Who remembers Surfers Paradise?

[toad]

After watcing Kimi at Spa I think next year one of the most interesting pairings to watch will be Kimi and JPM.

JPM won't cope if Kimi is faster. I can see a lot of fireworks and bad tempers coming from JPM.

[ferrari fan]

And so is the team, Dennis might show a straight face ,but on good authority ;there are a few wrinklels and second thoughts about this in the Paragon Castle.
Frozen Kimmo will obliterate this latest latin imposter:cool:

[admin]

There are 2 GPs in the season worth staying awake for:-

Monaco and Spa

ANYTHING can and usually does happen.

Again 2004 kept this theory alive..

Bev
(Admin again testing for Australian ambassador to China) :rolleyes:

[Elvis]

Originally posted by toad
I can see a lot of fireworks and bad tempers coming from JPM.
Your probably right there Toad!!!!
Next year at Mclaren the Bounty Hunter is in town,the ONLY one brave enough to challenge the red barron!!
Please mighty Columbian,quick draw those magnums and blast em away:cool:

[BB]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
And so is the team, Dennis might show a straight face ,but on good authority ;there are a few wrinklels and second thoughts about this in the Paragon Castle.
Frozen Kimmo will obliterate this latest latin imposter:cool:

Ron Dennis's body language was very interesting when DC hit the back of Klein's Jag so I can't see things improving a whole lot for him. It could be a case of "out of the frying pan into the fire" for Mclaren.

[ferrari fan]

Originally posted by Elvis
Your probably right there Toad!!!!
Next year at Mclaren the Bounty Hunter is in town,the ONLY one brave enough to challenge the red barron!!
Please mighty Columbian,quick draw those magnums and blast em away:cool:

"MAGNUMS" ; You mean 'Upsize my McFeast" !
"Bounty" hunter; there is another calory laden chocolate covered coconut snack that does not belong in the diet of an aspiring F1 World Champion.
I like to inform you , but according to the rulebook ;Firearms of any caliber are NOT at any time allowed to be carried in the car while competing.
I do know that you have rissen from the death and still fondly think back of Jellynite Jack and his antics, but these times are well and truly over.
It is nowadays the talent and determination that does it.

[ferrari fan]

I am just reading my 1960 Racing anual of SPA;
2 drivers were killed that weekend and another seriously injured getting help,plus Stirling moss was also injured
Stirling suffered the following;
Fractured nose,damaged spine,cracked ribs and both legs broken.
Michael Taylor, driving a LOTUS suffered a steering malfunction and went airborne through the trees and was missing for 15 minutes and another 15 before the help came, he had the following;
Broken ribs,collarbone and neck!
The 2 pilots that died that weekend were Cris Bristow aqnd Alan Stacey.
At the GP of GB another driver passed away due to another fatal crash; Harry Schell.
The winner of the SPA GP of 1960 was.. Jack Brabham with Bruce Mclaren in second av speed 133.63 m/hr.
Times have changed indeed

[Elvis]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
#1-You mean 'Upsize my McFeast"
#2-It is nowadays the talent and determination that does it. [/B]
#1-He,He, Good one.:p
#2-Bert,ive seen enough passing on the greatest ever(Michael) from the Columbian cowboy to last a life time,he may be overweight,he may go backwards in F1,but the sun never sets on a legend.:cool:

[singer]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
In the golden oplden days there were many more tracks like SPA,
slowly but surely the dammed officials have throttled nearly all of them in the name of safety and the almighty $$
Reims ,Dion Zandvoort, old Spa Nuremburg ring, Branch Hatch, the list is endless, and even here in Australia, Who remembers Surfers Paradise?

How about Longford???

[dwarfs]

well JP was not very happy when ralfs replacement out qualified him 2 rounds ago.:D
it just makes you think is JP actually trying this year?:)


cheers

[Patterson]

he doesn't seem hungry for victory anymore...

He's become a bit of a glamour princess...

Sad but true...

He just doesn't have the dedication to winning that guys like Michael Schumacher and Webber have.

His ego doesn't do him any favours either....

[dwarfs]

well JP did finish 3rd in last years drivers championship being that close to being world champ i thought that he would try harder this year.


cheers:)

[Patterson]

Originally posted by dwarfs
well JP did finish 3rd in last years drivers championship being that close to being world champ i thought that he would try harder this year.


cheers:)

Maybe thats the problem??

He doesn't have faith in the Williams to be competitive with Ferrari so he's hanging out till next year and the McLaren...

Thats my guess...

[dwarfs]

well i cant see the point of that if you want to win you give it all you have got even if you know you dont stand a chance you still try and hope the leading cars muck up.
as you saw ralfs fill in was so keen to get on the podium he tried so hard and got up to 3rd untill all his gears went.
very sad.:) :p


cheers

[Patterson]

Yes, you would think so...but its not always the case.

Pizzonia(Ralf's replacement), is trying to secure himself a seat for next year, whether it is at Williams or somewhere else.

Montoya has known all year that he'll be at McLaren next year, so he's just going through his paces until then.

I'm sure if he got a good sniff of a win, he'd put in a big effort, but while both Ferrari's are circulating, he prolly doesn't see much point in pushing hard and risking injury or a walk back to the pits.

[Tumbo]

its that south american curse- u cant look weak in front of a crowd. if he is solid then thats ok, but to fail........:eek: i just hope that he gets kimi's run of mechanical problems at McLaren. i find juan pablo a bit too arrogant in my opinion......at least Schumacher has 7 world titles to back his arrogance up.....bring on 2006 and Webber's Williams w/ a beautiful 1 emblazoned on it.........a boy can dream :rolleyes:

[dwarfs]

JP seems to be living in a world of his own this year.:D


cheers

[ferrari fan]

Maybe a few to many free planetrips with white powderdust floating arround in the cabin:confused:

[dwarfs]

well could be ,or he is just not a very trying/happy columbian.
Frank williams said last year JP was one of the most trying drivers he had contracted to him.
WRONG again.:D


cheers

[Tumbo]

depends on what definition of TYING he was using :D

[dwarfs]

oh i see:D .
which type of trying would you prefer? if you owned BMW Williams.


cheers


:)

[wayno]

JPM has been a major dissapointment this year. He is now just going through the motions waiting for next year. I think when the new Williams turned out to be a slug he just gave up.

[dwarfs]

a weaknes a driver shouldnt have in F1.
is it time to leave?:) :p



cheers

[Tumbo]

just realised i typed in tying instead of trying- perhaps JPM hasn't tyed his shoes properly- that could explain his results :D

[Andrew]

Still, although JPM's commitment over a full race distance might be questionable this season (he seems to become a petulent little boy at times), whenever he has the opportunity to race Michael wheel to wheel, he never misses that opportunity. His overtaking manouvre into the Bus Stop AROUND the outside was memorable to say the least.

I'd say that Kimi will hose JPM next season in the races, although I think Montoya will probably have the balance of the qualifying. I also think that Ron Dennis will probably start to wonder from about 5 races into the season why he signed the volatile Columbian in the first place. He just doesn't sit with the 'corporate' McLaren ethos, and his tantrums, spats and uneasy relationship with the media (and other drivers) will cause some embarrassment to Team McLaren and Ron.

But despite all of this, he's a bloody exciting driver to watch, especially when Michael's Ferrari is in his sights!

[dwarfs]

yes he would give anything to go wheel to wheel with micheal.

last year at monte-carlo JP called all his pit crew wankers but then went on to win the race and he didnt even say sorry to his pit crew.
JP is one of a kind but we only want 1 of them in F1 otherwise there would be more roadrage than racing.:)


cheers

[Patterson]

Originally posted by dwarfs
yes he would give anything to go wheel to wheel with micheal.

last year at monte-carlo JP called all his pit crew wankers but then went on to win the race and he didnt even say sorry to his pit crew.

cheers

just cause he won the race doesn't change the facts....

[dwarfs]

the pit crew didnt even do anything to JP ,they even perfomed faster pit stops for JP than ralf.
the reason why he called his pit crew wankers is because JP thought they were helping ralf with his race pace and montoya was going faster than him anyway.
:rolleyes:


cheers

[wayno]

I have always had a lot of time for JPM but I really think Kimi will hose him off next year. That kid is something special in my eyes!

[toad]

Originally posted by wayno
I have always had a lot of time for JPM but I really think Kimi will hose him off next year. That kid is something special in my eyes!

I completely agree. Will be very surprised if it is the other way around.

[dwarfs]

kimi is a man on a mission for years to come.
after finishing 2nd in the drivers championship just 2 points away from micheal to be world champ really upset him alot.
for sure kimi will out do JP but that dosent mean he will finish better than him an every race they all have their ups and downs.
ferrari said they will take on kimi when micheal leaves F1 because they think her has the talent and skill to be the next micheal schumacher.:)


cheers

[jager]

While I feel Kimi is more consistent than Montoya during races, his qualifying tends to be very erratic and he doesn't seem to have come to grips with the one lap qualifying system.

I think you'll see JPM outqualifying Kimi next year, which may take a bit of the shine off this rising star.

[dwarfs]

JPM should out qualify kimi but i think kimi will pass him through the races as he over takes other cars in a tidy manner not like JPM.

for example kimi just glided past trulli in the last round and when JPM went to pass him through the buss stop he collided with him and sent trulli in to a spin.
his move might of worked on micheal a few laps before but not every driver does the same thing.
micheal stuck to the outside while heading through the bus stop so JPM just got by but when he tried to get past trulli through the bus stop with the same move trulli moved over to inner side of the race track and didnt know JPM was there and then they touched.
:eek: :)

cheers

[Elvis]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dwarfs [/i]
as he over takes other cars in a tidy manner not like JPM.
/QUOTE]

Montoya is like Rambo,you know hes coming to get you,but theres nothing you can do about it..........and next year,hes coming to get the mute one.

[wayno]

I agree that Juan may have the better of the one lap qualifying thing, but remember we don't know what qualifying system will be used next year.
I'm pretty sure this years format will go the way of the dodo at seasons end though.

[dwarfs]

well montoya is not quick of the still starts like kimi but when your under a safty car like micheal said " montoya is the worst driver to have behind you" because he is ace at rolling starts..
he has been practising them in the US for a year now and all the drivers can see the improvement.


cheers:)