Team Dynamik Confirmed as "Illegal Testers"

[biante13515]

This from Today's Heral Sun:

V8 team nabbed for desert trial

27aug04

TEAM Dynamik faces expulsion from the V8 Supercar Championship after being caught illegally testing at an abandoned South Australian airfield.

Driver Simon Wills was spied running a camouflaged Holden Commodore at Woomera airfield on Saturday.
It is understood the V8 was running with all identification taped over as the team conducted an unsanctioned trial.

Supercar Series organiser AVESCO received a tip-off and a representative in Adelaide drove to Woomera and caught the test run on film.

The team could be disqualified from the championship and fined $250,000.

[Patterson]

They are in really really REALLY big trouble...:(

I really think AVESCO needs to come down hard on them to avoid this happening again....

[dwarfs]

it just going down hill from here.:)


cheers

[biante13515]

Yes, i agree, they will send a very strong message to the other teams by handing em their ass on a tray.

[wayno]

Originally posted by Patterson
They are in really really REALLY big trouble...:(

I really think AVESCO needs to come down hard on them to avoid this happening again....

So they bloody well should be. Rules are rules and if you deliberately breach them you deserve everything you get.

[Patterson]

Originally posted by wayno
So they bloody well should be. Rules are rules and if you deliberately breach them you deserve everything you get.

Absoloutely!!! Its just a shame that a team that is struggling so much has put itself in such a terrible situation....

Does anybody have any idea of what kind of penalty they will receive???

It will no doubt be very costly for them...

[biante13515]

$250,00 seems to be the figure, but i would think they may even revoke their franchise or something like that......

[wayno]

The biggest thing with this issue it is such an unprecedented situation. It will be very interesting to see what the governing body does after all their rhetoric over recent times.
If the franchise is revoked I'm sure it would be picked up very quickly. (can't see this happening myself).

[biante13515]

Yes but as your correctly pointed out it is a new breach with no history of penalty. BUT let's remeber that SBR broke the rules and their penalty didn't fit the crime, i mean i know it's past history but the governing body seem reluctant to come down too hard. It will definately be a talked about sentence in years to come i would think.

It's a shame for the drivers though i think, but as they keep saying "it's a team sport".

[stevelb1]

Originally posted by biante13515
Yes but as your correctly pointed out it is a new breach with no history of penalty. BUT let's remeber that SBR broke the rules and their penalty didn't fit the crime, i mean i know it's past history but the governing body seem reluctant to come down too hard. It will definately be a talked about sentence in years to come i would think.

It's a shame for the drivers though i think, but as they keep saying "it's a team sport".

I also remember only just recently that a certain Holden team running illegial suspension components that was proved to be performance inhancing being let off rather lightly as well, at least with SBR there was no proven performance gain.

[Patterson]

Originally posted by stevelb1
I also remember only just recently that a certain Holden team running illegial suspension components that was proved to be performance inhancing being let off rather lightly as well, at least with SBR there was no proven performance gain.

Last I heard it wasn't performance enhancing...and was just an oversight because the VX's can have lateral movement in the rear suspension but not the VY's.

I think the thing to remember is that the two previous breaches were oversights, and can be seen as accidental.

This time, it is a deliberate act of trying to get an advantage by cheating!

I'm pretty sure they won't get off with a $5000 dollar fine....

[Tumbo]

be interesting to see what the other drivers think of mr Wills.being a professional he would understand that the extra testing was wrong and against the rules- i wonder what position he took or if it was a case of....would u like a renewed contract? it would seem that Mr Wills breach here is the same as the drug cheats in athletics and swimming

just my 2 cents

[Nick Short]

The difference is that taking drugs to enhance performance is like fitting hidden illegal engine parts, which Dynamik aren't accused of doing. Extra testing is more like extra training. Compared to what the Olympic athletes are doing it seems like small beer, but rules are rules and there have to be penalties.

[GT overload]

The testing rules are in place for a reason. Too keep costs down and help bridge the gap between privateers and factory teams. In my mind they should be band for life as there is no excuse for what they were doing and they knew what they were doing was wrong by camoflauging the car and using and abandond air field.
:mad: :mad:

[XR8]

I'm interested to know why the team thought they needed to go to such lengths for a test day?

I'm even more interested to know what the outcome will be.

How many times has this been done before?

Who knows as this is the first time anyone has been caught.

The drivers were probably between no contract and a hard place, if they didn't go.

This series has very quickly developed into a farce, given the actions of teams so far this year whether accidental or not.

The even bigger farce is the standards that are maintained with regards to penalties / punishment, etc.....

Can anyone say 'Procar'????

Ed :)

[roboneill]

Originally posted by biante13515
Yes but as your correctly pointed out it is a new breach with no history of penalty. BUT let's remeber that SBR broke the rules and their penalty didn't fit the crime, i mean i know it's past history but the governing body seem reluctant to come down too hard. ".

i think the big difference here is that it is a new breach and that there is no precident.
with the SBR incident there was a precident already with another 2 teams having the same breaches earlier in the year.
SBR's point was that their penalty of $10K and loss of points was inconsistant with penalties imposed already of $1k and no loss of any points...
i do not know if there have been other incidents that are the same as Larry's so i cannot comment...

it will be interesting to see what happens as this definitely is no oversight, it was a clear and pre-meditated action..

i think a fine and maybe loss of points for points already earned and then no points to be gained for the remainder of the season. but allow wins or positions to stand if they do make the podium but no points gained.
like the Bulldogs in the NRL

[brchi17]

Considering avesco have just successfully fought JFR appeal to the liquidated damages case, it could be quite a good month or two for their finance department.

Could any of you imagine avesco dishing out a 12 month suspension like Toyota got all those years ago in the WRC...???

I think they might give them a moderate fine (nothing like the $250k max) & perhaps revoke any spare testing days left & perhaps reduce the # they are allowed in 2005.

just a thought,
cheers. :)

[The real OZ GP]

Silly , Silly, Silly.

As regards the driver being between a contract and a hard place , lets not forget that one of the team principals of Team Dynamik, and Birrana racing before that, is Kieran Wills so I guess Simon was just doing what Dad told him to do .

[wayno]

I am still shaking my head over this issue. Makes you wonder who 'dobbed' on them doesn't it!

[dwarfs]

im glad our kiwi jason richards left before all this happened.

cheers:D

[The real OZ GP]

The Wills family hails from the "Shakey Isles" as well I believe

[Esses]

Originally posted by wayno
I am still shaking my head over this issue. Makes you wonder who 'dobbed' on them doesn't it!

Whoever did, did absolutely the right thing. "Dobbing" is one Australianism I can live without.

[GSXR1]

Originally posted by Steve
Whoever did, did absolutely the right thing. "Dobbing" is one Australianism I can live without.

Sorry Steve, but your post doesn't make sense to me.:confused:

In your first sentence you applaud the 'dobber', but in the second you say you don't like dobbers...

[Esses]

Sorry, I'll try & be clearer. I applaud the person who put Dynamik in. It's the TERM "Dobbing" that I don't like, as it carries a certain stigma & is frequently used by bullies & cowards to hide behind. Or such has been my personal experience.

[GSXR1]

Originally posted by Steve
Sorry, I'll try & be clearer. I applaud the person who put Dynamik in. It's the TERM "Dobbing" that I don't like, as it carries a certain stigma & is frequently used by bullies & cowards to hide behind. Or such has been my personal experience.

Gotcha, understand your post better now! Probably agree with you as well!;)

[toad]

JFR got a $300,000 fine for not competing in the Qld round. Holy moly its cheaper to cheat.

[Malik]

Originally posted by toad
JFR got a $300,000 fine for not competing in the Qld round. Holy moly its cheaper to cheat.

anyone holding a lisence is under obligation to front cars at all official rounds.. weather the cars are theirs or the franchise is leased (al la Romano)

Faulkner's franchise wasnt represented at all.. hence.. bigass fine..

[dwarfs]

i have a feeling that team dynamik will be getting more than just a big juicy fine.:D :eek:


cheers

[biante13515]

I missed RPM yesterday, was there any further developments ?

[brchi17]

Originally posted by biante13515
I missed RPM yesterday, was there any further developments ?

no.

I think they will let the media run it course before the actual hearing at Sandown to get an idea of when the general public think.

Enforce the fine $250k & take away all their 2005 test days.

cheers. :)

[Patterson]

Would they be able to afford that kinda cash??

I'm not 100% sure that they will want to go that far, because they want to promote competition, I'm not sure that they would want to disadvantage team dynamik too much.....

Prolly a big fine and reduced test days I'm thinking...they prolly deserve a lot more though....

[dwarfs]

well i dont think they are going to let them off.
they will sure get a huge fine and may lose all the points their drivers have earned over the rounds.

:eek:

cheers:)

[Patterson]

Yeah, but I don't think they will strip them of test days...not all of them anyway...

They need these to remain competitive, which is what AVESCO wants....

[Tumbo]

to strip them of their test days would make things worse than just kicking them out. the team wouldn't have much motivation to improve, they would become despondant, fall down the time sheets and probably cause more bad publicity for the V8 supercars due to poor performances

again just my 2 cents

[dwarfs]

well lets hope they dont lose practising time because as you already know they would be the slowest team out there and they would have to change there name from team dynamik to david thexton the 2nd.:D

cheers

[brchi17]

Have a read of this press release from TEGA

TEGA
Sep 1 2004
TEGA Media Release: Team Dynamik to answer unprecedented 10 rule breaches

South Australian-based Team Dynamik faces some of the most serious charges in the history of the V8 Supercar Championship Series with 10 separate breaches presented to stewards by the Touring Car Entrants Group Australia (TEGA) and AVESCO today.

TEGA Chairman Kelvin O'Reilly has lodged his report into the string of breaches which are alleged to have taken place at a remote airstrip in South Australia on Friday August 20 and Saturday August 21.

The team has been charged with numerous counts under the categories of alleged illegal testing, tyre regulations and using more than the specified numbers and types of sensors permitted.

"TEGA alleges that these breaches were not inadvertent but were
intentional, and designed to gain a competitive advantage," 'Reilly
said in his official report.

"Team Dynamik will be required to answer allegations that it knowingly and wilfully and with intent to gain a competitive advantage and to gain additional data derived from testing activities without the utilisation of the allocated quota of its test days, breached the following Rules:

Testing Rules: D1.2, D 1.1.3.1, D1.3.1, D1.4.1, D1.9, D1.10;
Tyre Rules: C13.1.3, C13.10.2;
Technical Compliance Rule: C3.1;
Electronic Data Rule: C14.11.2 "

The report also included that Team Dynamik:

* Drove more than six hours north of Adelaide to a remote location to conduct a testing activity
* Disguised their transporter by placing white vinyl over
identifying team and sponsor marks
* Removed all external identifying marks on the car
* Installed an extensive range of illegal sensors.

TEGA and AVESCO will supply the inquiry with eye witness accounts and testimony of the breach, along with analysis of the data stored in the TEGA ECU confiscated from the car and tender photographic evidence of the activities being conducted.

AVESCO rules prescribe penalties including fines up to $250,000, loss of all points won and exclusion among other things if the allegations are proved.

Will we see the team excluded from the championship, or just extreamly poorer after all this.....???

cheers. :)

[dwarfs]

thats going to leave a mark.

cheers:D

[Patterson]

Thats not looking too good for them...

And if they have all of the extra monitoring equipment, you'd have to say they have either done it before or were planning on doing it again:rolleyes:

It just goes to prove though...if you cheat, you will eventually get caught...

I really hope they don't get excluded but they do need to be punished severely...

[dwarfs]

the cane would come in handy in situations like these.:D


cheers

[Patterson]

They should ban them from entering a holden for 3 years, and that will guarantee they won't win any races...;)

[dwarfs]

agreed there.
for there punisment they should be put in fords and join the back markers.:D


cheers

[Tumbo]

a better solution would be to give them the responsibility of running a factory mitsubishi team. its their job to gauge the publics opinion of the car. they must finish at least one race on the podium, they can't have any DNFs, at least one of their drivers must finish in the top 5, and the other in the top 15....oh and they cant have any test days. if they do not agree w/ this or they do not fulfill any of the requirements then both mitsubishi and team dynamic shall never be mentioned or seen in the v8 supercar championship again........no that sounds too cruel :D

[dwarfs]

a bit too cruel i would say.:p

cheers

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Patterson
They should ban them from entering a holden for 3 years, and that will guarantee they won't win any races...;)

Let them run their Holden, as it's not like they're winning is it :D !!!

I think a massive fine & a 12 month suspention (from the Sandown 500 2004, to the same round next year), with a suspended ban from the championship, if it happens again - Very harsh, but it would send a big message to anyone thinking about cheating.

This has not been accident, they have know full well what they were doing & deserve to be thrown the book.

cheers.

[Patterson]

They must be spewing though...

Go to all that trouble, and all that cost, and then get caught before they can get any advantage from the testing.

[stonebrosfan]

Originally posted by brchi17
Let them run their Holden, as it's not like they're winning is it :D !!!

I think a massive fine & a 12 month suspention (from the Sandown 500 2004, to the same round next year), with a suspended ban from the championship, if it happens again - Very harsh, but it would send a big message to anyone thinking about cheating.

This has not been accident, they have know full well what they were doing & deserve to be thrown the book.

cheers.

who would get banned?

kieran wills? that wouldnt work, because he could just fund another team and not own it

simon wills? im sure it wasnt his decision to drive

dale brede? he should be banned for the fact that he is slow anyway!

[brchi17]

Originally posted by stonebrosfan
who would get banned?

kieran wills? that wouldnt work, because he could just fund another team and not own it

simon wills? im sure it wasnt his decision to drive

dale brede? he should be banned for the fact that he is slow anyway!

Well in the WRC they banned TTE from entering, so i guess you would ban the team & the management members of the team.

You can't ban the drivers as they have only followed the instructions of the Team Management.


I think the worst thing that could happen is for nothing to happen. I can see someone becoming a scape-goat if only to save face for the series. I'm sure there would be a lot of people turning off V8 Supercars if nothing is done.

cheers.

:)

[dwarfs]

well boring or not i will always be a fan of the v8 supercars.

cheers:)

[Tumbo]

i don't know how many will turn off- they'll be annoyed but what serious alternative is there. apart from monaco and last week its been a schumacher red wash in the F1, the bikes were reasonably even till Rossi hit his straps. Loeb is dominating the WRC, i think the supercars are safe- for this yr at least :)

[dwarfs]

i couldnt of said it better myself.
jason richards will sure to look back and see how lucky he was to leave the team ,Team Dynamik before all this drama happened.
he is doing very well with tasman motorsport this year as well.


cheers:)

[jager]

What's worse, an illegal test session or running an illegal component in a V8 race for a performance advantage ? Personally I think the illegal compenent is a much worse crime, although you could argue that both crimes are similar.

If teams that have run illegal components this year have only been given a slap on the wrist (It was just an oversight Mr Cocrane......really !), it would seem a bit hypocritical to be too harsh with Team Dynamic.

[martyn]

Originally posted by dwarfs
i couldnt of said it better myself.
jason richards will sure to look back and see how lucky he was to leave the team ,Team Dynamik before all this drama happened.
he is doing very well with tasman motorsport this year as well.


cheers:)

Intresting that Jason is sueing Team Dynamik for unpaid wages of $34,000 and they are counter sueing for $720,000 maybe he left because he liked to drive on race tracks and not runways



Regards Martyn

[Dingo]

There may be the possibility of suspension of a franchise - maybe not Team Dynamik's though....curiouser and curiouser...

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Dingo
There may be the possibility of suspension of a franchise - maybe not Team Dynamik's though....curiouser and curiouser...

CPR ???

[Dingo]

Originally posted by brchi17
CPR ???
Not Larry! :D

There are people who know more than I do, but the word is that it might have something to do with the Imrie license that they ran McFadyen and Davison under in the previous three rounds...

[GRPIII]

is there a rule to stop v8 supercars entering a round of the sports sedan championship?
i know a few years back around the time of he vp's there were a few cars running a round, i think one was the old pearson product commodore.
these cars comply with all the rules, so is there rules banning this?

[Malik]

Originally posted by GRPIII
is there a rule to stop v8 supercars entering a round of the sports sedan championship?
i know a few years back around the time of he vp's there were a few cars running a round, i think one was the old pearson product commodore.
these cars comply with all the rules, so is there rules banning this?

from memory there is a rule in the supercars rules that states a V8 supercar will be disqualified if its entered into another category (IE sports sedan series)

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Malik
from memory there is a rule in the supercars rules that states a V8 supercar will be disqualified if its entered into another category (IE sports sedan series)

To add to this, I also have a feeling that once a Supercar is re-categorised to a sports sedans, it is no longer eligible to be a supercar again.

This is why Paul Morris was able to driver his older supercars at his driver training centre as they are no longer classed as supercars.

cheers. :)

[xa351gt]

What is the big deal? If they were testing at a active track I could understand. but a runway. How much advantage do you think they would get? They run mostly at the back don't they? I think they should let teams that are down in the points have extra tests to get better. Isn't the goal to have all the teams competetive?

[dwarfs]

you have a strong point but rules are rules and they stick.:)


cheers

[Damian]

Latest News
South Australian-based Team Dynamik faces some of the most serious charges in the history of the V8 Supercar Championship Series with 10 separate breaches presented to stewards by the Touring Car Entrants Group Australia (TEGA) and AVESCO today.

TEGA Chairman Kelvin O’Reilly has lodged his report into the string of breaches which are alleged to have taken place at a remote airstrip in South Australia on Friday August 20 and Saturday August 21.

The team has been charged with numerous counts under the categories of alleged illegal testing, tyre regulations and using more than the specified numbers and types of sensors permitted.

“TEGA alleges that these breaches were not inadvertent but were intentional, and designed to gain a competitive advantage,� O’Reilly said in his official report.

“Team Dynamik will be required to answer allegations that it knowingly and wilfully and with intent to gain a competitive advantage and to gain additional data derived from testing activities without the utilisation of the allocated quota of its test days, breached the following Rules:

Testing Rules: D1.2, D 1.1.3.1, D1.3.1, D1.4.1, D1.9, D1.10;

Tyre Rules: C13.1.3, C13.10.2;

Technical Compliance Rule: C3.1;

Electronic Data Rule: C14.11.2 �

The report also included that Team Dynamik:

Drove more than six hours north of Adelaide to a remote location to conduct a testing activity
Disguised their transporter by placing white vinyl over identifying team and sponsor marks
Removed all external identifying marks on the car
Installed an extensive range of illegal sensors.

TEGA and AVESCO will supply the inquiry with eye witness accounts and testimony of the breach, along with analysis of the data stored in the TEGA ECU confiscated from the car and tender photographic evidence of the activities being conducted.

AVESCO rules prescribe penalties including fines up to $250,000, loss of all points won and exclusion among other things if the allegations are proved.

The above was copied from another forum and posted here.

Regards
Damian

[HRT 1-2]

Damian,

Refer page 3 of this thread, it was posted by brchi17!

[Damian]

Sorry, my mistake. Too lazy to look through the thread.

Regards
Damian

[dwarfs]

dale brede is having a very mixed 1st year in v8si wounder if team dynamik were testing on that air strip before round 8 at oran park because wills was on a very quick pace.
the best pace team dynamik have had since they joined the v8 ranks.

cheers:(

[spoonster05]

The thing that gets me is that Team Dynamik tested there knowing full well that Avesco officials would be near there due to the Konica round taking place.

The taping over of the logos would have had passers-by curious as well, so they may as well have had a big neon sign announcing their test...

[dwarfs]

with all this fines etc heading towards the team i dont think team dynamik will even be around next year.
but if they were they would have to cut costs back and switch too fords.

sorry ford fans.:D


cheers

[Tumbo]

i dont know if they could afford Fords......w/ the new BA actually performing............as much as Holden fans would love to sprout some of the old Bachelor of Arts jokes :p (no offence, my gf does arts) it actually has been performing and might end up costing as much to run as holdens

[dwarfs]

well cant blame me for trying :D


cheers

[vt2envy]

I wonder if the decision makers had asked the question.If we get caught can we afford the fine and lose of our licence.The answer may have been.Well on past performance the fines have'nt been all that high ,answer yes. As for loosing our license,That'll never happen.Besides we'll never get caught.To a point the powers to be are also at fault by showing indecision and leanancy.They themselves have leav't a small window open which may have been all it took to allow dynamic to take the risk.Without the informant we may well have been none the wiser.

I say give them the max penalty,withdraw the lincense and any other infrigments,by any team, from now on no matter how innocent that infrigment may appear to be should be dealt with in the same way...It's time to get tough.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by vt2envy
.....Without the informant we may well have been none the wiser.

I say give them the max penalty,withdraw the lincense and any other infrigments,by any team, from now on no matter how innocent that infrigment may appear to be should be dealt with in the same way...It's time to get tough.

Very true, I wonder if they've actually done this before & if so, how many times.....???

12 month ban would send a big signal to the other teams.....

cheers. :)

[dwarfs]

didnt the same thing happen to HRT a few years back (1993-1994). well if its not there was a team caught testing out on a quite road in the desert and were fined a big amount and i think they had top miss 4 rounds of the championship.:eek: :)



cheers

[GRPIII]

cant see them banning them. theres rules if a team doesnt front up to a round, i;m sure the promoters would like a full grid.
i'd say a huge fine a lose of all points & lose of points from future rounds.
a ban for the rest of the year is not good, for the fans, sponsors & promotors.
they didnt kick the bulldogs out a couple of years back,just took all their points.

[wayno]

I feel that they must have done this before as someone with inside knowledge of the team must have dobbed them in for them to be caught so comprehensively.
They deserve everything they get as rules are rules and it's about time they were enforced properly.

[wayno]

I feel that they must have done this before as someone with inside knowledge of the team must have dobbed them in for them to be caught so comprehensively.
They deserve everything they get as rules are rules and it's about time they were enforced properly.

[vt2envy]

I agree Wayno..The mere fact that they turned up with the amount of gear they had tells me that it was a thoughly planned and delibrate act.One that may have been done before and probaly would have happened again.I imagine the cost of the electronics would not warrant the gain they would have received for one or two races.To me it smacks in the face of fair play and they deserve everything they get.I would prefer them and there attitude towards our sport to be thrown out and a another team be given the chance of having a run..

[singer]

I believe that the rules should apply equally to all parties.

AVESCO & TEGA partially have themselves to blame for the current situation as yhey have not applied the rules consistently during the season.

I'm not an apologist for Tedam Dynamic but it appears to me that they are the fall guys for organisations which have been caught napping previously & now want to flex some authority to show that they are doing something.

YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE GOAL POSTS MIDWAY THROUGH THE SEASON THEN SAY THAT YOU'VE BEEN FAIR TO ALL PARTICIPANTS.

All I can see coming out of this mess, is huge $$$$$ to the solicitors & barristers, as AVESCO do not appear to have been acting "in the open" rather hiding & gathering evidence surrupticiously.

Another fine mess , I have no faith in either AVESCO or TEGA as they both have much to lose.
:mad:

[xa351gt]

Funny thing is for all they spent and the risks they went to their performance at the races sure didn't show a advantage.You can spend alot of money ,but if it's not wisely spent you have just wasted any possible gains. The old saying Speed is a matter of money ,how fast do you want to go ? Only is the beginning I can't tell you how many guys I 've seen spend truck loads of money on parts only to go slower ,because the parts don't work well together.Maybe what Avescoe needs to do is allow teams from say 16th down in the points extra test sessions so they can improve their performance legally without putting a black eye on the sport. If their performance improves to above 16th then they would get no more additional test dates above the normally alotted amount.What you all may not be looking at is that teams at the tail end of the field need performance in order to draw a sponsor to continue they don't have the benefit of deep pockets like HRT or FPV. Yes what they did was wrong ,but maybe the rules need to be adjusted so teams don't feel the need to have to resort to these measures to be able to survive in the series. You may say well then they don't deserve to be there and you may be right but then you run the risks of having short fields of cars. Anyone who follows NASCAR has seen evidence of this just this year. With NASCAR letting cars run that have no business being there just so they don't default on the TV agreement that 43 cars take the green. With how closely V8s seem to shadow NASCARs moves this maybe a real problem to consider.

[dwarfs]

at first when team dynamik were followed up on this illegal test they denied it all.
but what team dynamik didnt know was that they had sent one of thier staff out there who snapped them with a camera.
when they showed the team the pictures they knew they couldnt get out of this and gave in.
just to make it worse a few more $$ was slapped on for lying.

team dynamik deserve anything that comes towards them for this. :)


cheers

[black betty]

My thoughts.....
An immediate ban from sandown and bathurst enduro's, that would make their sponsors think twice about supporting them and knock the wind out of the team for cheating and give someother team on the fringe a crack at the race. To miss bathurst would be like losing one nut and make any driver think twice about joining this outfit. Then fine and add any further penalty after that.
Cheers

[dwarfs]

ouch if that happened the car would just be plain black for many years to come.:D
thats if they are even around in a year or so time i think they fine they get will just blow the whole team away.


cheers:)

[Kiwiracing]

Was there any final findings for these court cases?

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Kiwiracing]

Was there any final findings for these court cases?

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Damian]

I think they (avesco) is making an announcement this weekend during the Sandown event. Kiwiracing, did you end up getting the Better Electrical Poster from the Superstars Auction?

Regards
Damian

[toad]

Originally posted by xa351gt
What is the big deal? If they were testing at a active track I could understand. but a runway. How much advantage do you think they would get? They run mostly at the back don't they? I think they should let teams that are down in the points have extra tests to get better. Isn't the goal to have all the teams competetive?

They must have been testing aero. What better place for high speed runs than an airport.

I agree with you that the front running teams caught with illegal components get of relatively scott free and a backmarker who is testing straightline speed illegally gets the book thrown at them. Not to mention the fiasco that JFR suffered a few weeks ago.

I'm affraid regardless of the penalty that Dynamik recieves I still think the enforcement is a farce.

[Kiwiracing]

Originally posted by Damian
I think they (avesco) is making an announcement this weekend during the Sandown event. Kiwiracing, did you end up getting the Better Electrical Poster from the Superstars Auction?

Regards
Damian

Hi Damian

Yes I did, why would you like to buy it?:D

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Damian]

Originally posted by Kiwiracing
Hi Damian

Yes I did, why would you like to buy it?:D

Cheers
Kiwiracing

Yeah, I give you $10 for it :D only kidding.
I bet it looks good with the prototype

Regards
Damian

[wayno]

Well it was announced on sports tonight that they were fined 104 thousand. I missed the report and only caught the end. Any one got any more info?

[toad]

Originally posted by wayno
Well it was announced on sports tonight that they were fined 104 thousand. I missed the report and only caught the end. Any one got any more info?


Try this http://www.sportal.com.au/motorsport.asp?i=news&id=56212

[Tumbo]

bit of a joke- as they said on sports tonight- other teams will now think ohh $104K for more testing, worth it in the long run.....there is talk of the teams taking action over the "sentence" tho- hope they boot them out, no place for cheats- Holden or Ford

[wayno]

Thanks for that. Mate what a load of bs from Kieren Wills. I don't care what you say you were testing for, rules are rules. You deserve eveything you get.
Looks like the "dodo" sponsorship on the cars is appropriate!

[brchi17]

So it's 100k per test day, I wonder if they'll give you a discount for steeling multiple test days :mad: !!!

I hope TEGA's appeal work & they're thrown out !!!

What a joke & this sport is pretending to be professional !!!

[singer]

Rules should be appled equally to all, not minor fines to HRT, SBR & CPR.

& 1 large fine for another. You CAN'T change the goal posts mid season:mad:

The V8 Supercar are supposed to be a professional organisation, but there not showing it by behaving like little school children inthe yard with the Principal weilding a big stick to keep everything in line

[xa351gt]

Originally posted by singer
Rules should be appled equally to all, not minor fines to HRT, SBR & CPR.

& 1 large fine for another. You CAN'T change the goal posts mid season:mad:

The V8 Supercar are supposed to be a professional organisation, but there not showing it by behaving like little school children inthe yard with the Principal weilding a big stick to keep everything in line


I agree with you. Besides judging by their results this weekend that test was no help. Hell let them test all they want if that is the results that they will get from it.

[biante13515]

I'm dying to know why they think they are innocent !

Cromly said they were "Naughty" or "incredibly Stupid" in his opinion. My thoughts exactly !

[biante13515]

I'm dying to know why they think they are innocent !

Cromly said they were "Naughty" or "incredibly Stupid" in his opinion. My thoughts exactly !

[HRT 1-2]

From the Racetime news letter:

Team Dynamik were found to be in breach of Rules, with regard to unauthorised testing and other related rules. The Stewards imposed a penalty of:
* $50,000 USD (approximately $72,000, maximum permitted under International Sporting Code) for breach of Rule D1, unauthorised
testing.
* $15,000 AUD for breach of Rule C13.10.2, control tyres
* $15,000 AUD for breach of Rule C14.11.2, sensors
* $2,000 AUD for breach of Rule E6 (transporter identification)

The Stewards' decision has been appealed by both TEGA and Team Dynamik.

I to hope the TEGA appeal is upheld, there needs to be more than dollars involved:mad:

[Patterson]

After seeing them race at sandown they should MAKE them put sensors in the front so the car brakes to avoid contact...

They were certainly in the thick of things.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Patterson
After seeing them race at sandown they should MAKE them put sensors in the front so the car brakes to avoid contact...

They were certainly in the thick of things.

Yeah, that dodo sponsorship seemed kind of appropriate.

cheers. :)

[stevelb1]

Originally posted by brchi17
Yeah, that dodo sponsorship seemed kind of appropriate.

cheers. :)

Nice one, couldnt have put it any better....he...he....he

[chups]

ive found a pic from the illegal test day from team dynamik. apparently they were testing 'nasa technology' but i cant find the article now.
anyway, here is the pic if/when admin clears it

[HRT 1-2]

Where to next:confused:

CAMS
Nov 29 2004
APPEAL LODGED BY TEAM DYNAMIK


On Friday 26 November 2004, Team Dynamik Pty Ltd lodged an appeal through CAMS, as the recognised national motor sport controlling body, to the FIA International Court of Appeal against the decision of the V8 Supercar National Court of Appeal.

This matter concerns the alleged illegal testing conducted at Woomera on
20-21 August 2004.

Under the FIA rules, the orders of the V8 Supercar National Court of Appeal have been stayed pending the determination of the FIA International Court of Appeal.

The FIA International Court of Appeal sits in Paris.

[vt2envy]

Originally posted by chups
ive found a pic from the illegal test day from team dynamik. apparently they were testing 'nasa technology' but i cant find the article now.
anyway, here is the pic if/when admin clears it


LMAO..not bad

[teambrock50]

HAHAHAHAHA well done chups

[brchi17]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
Where to next:confused:

CAMS
Nov 29 2004
APPEAL LODGED BY TEAM DYNAMIK


On Friday 26 November 2004, Team Dynamik Pty Ltd lodged an appeal through CAMS, as the recognised national motor sport controlling body, to the FIA International Court of Appeal against the decision of the V8 Supercar National Court of Appeal.

This matter concerns the alleged illegal testing conducted at Woomera on
20-21 August 2004.

Under the FIA rules, the orders of the V8 Supercar National Court of Appeal have been stayed pending the determination of the FIA International Court of Appeal.

The FIA International Court of Appeal sits in Paris.

So where does this all end....???

Basically they have lost their appeal & yet they are still allow to appear the result of the appeal, this to me doesn't seem to make any sense. Sure I don't hold a great knowledge of the court system, but if you lose your appeal, shouldn't that be it ???

Or are the appealing the revised fine & not the rejection of the appeal...???

At the end of the day, I wonder what will happen if the appeal of the appeal is held after EC where they will be starting one lap behind the whole field ??? Sort of makes me wonder if the events of SP could all happen again, by the court result if TD’s appeal is successful in a higher court.

Do the crime, do the time...

cheers. :)

[stevelb1]

Originally posted by brchi17
So where does this all end....???

Basically they have lost their appeal & yet they are still allow to appear the result of the appeal, this to me doesn't seem to make any sense. Sure I don't hold a great knowledge of the court system, but if you lose your appeal, shouldn't that be it ???

Or are the appealing the revised fine & not the rejection of the appeal...???

At the end of the day, I wonder what will happen if the appeal of the appeal is held after EC where they will be starting one lap behind the whole field ??? Sort of makes me wonder if the events of SP could all happen again, by the court result if TD’s appeal is successful in a higher court.

Do the crime, do the time...

cheers. :)

Basically what Team Dynamic are saying is the V8 Supercar Court of Appeal has no legal standing over the sport in Australia and thier findings and sentence should be null and viod and the only legal binding court is that of the FIA.

[spoonster05]

So what would happen to all the other cases that Supercar Court of Appeal has decided on if Team Dynamic somehow gets their way in the FIA International Court ??

Would this mean that other teams who have lost points or gotten fines would be able to get their points, etc back..

In my opinion Team Dynamic should just cop the fact they were caught illegally testing and were caught and get on with next years planning..

[stevelb1]

Originally posted by spoonster05
So what would happen to all the other cases that Supercar Court of Appeal has decided on if Team Dynamic somehow gets their way in the FIA International Court ??

Would this mean that other teams who have lost points or gotten fines would be able to get their points, etc back..

In my opinion Team Dynamic should just cop the fact they were caught illegally testing and were caught and get on with next years planning..

As with most Companies that face court, its not the big fine thats is worrying them or even the loss of points its the shear fact that they have been convicted of doing wrong, they are all willing to spend great sums of money as long as they dont show a conviction.