Johnson Sierra 1988

[thekid_600]

Just want to know if the actual model will be much different from the prototype picture shown on the website right now. Wheels, etc.

When will it arrive in shops? I know it's in transit right now, just wondering when it'll be available.

Quite looking forward to this one's release. :) Anyone else? Or is this one going to live in the shadows of the Johnson/Bowe Sierra? ala "rock" XD and "crash" XE......

[Nick Short]

The prototype seems pretty close to photos of the real thing! I LOVE those wheels, and reckon they look heaps better than the 7 spoke RS alloys on the previous Johnson Sierra. So it can live in the shadow and I don't care! Same with the second Greens Tuf XE.....

[zigi08]

Originally posted by thekid_600

Quite looking forward to this one's release. :) Anyone else? Or is this one going to live in the shadows of the Johnson/Bowe Sierra? ala "rock" XD and "crash" XE......

I think those who missed out on the previous DJR will be looking forward to this one...I am even though I got the first one plus all the other Sierra's...:D

[BATHURSTFAN]

the shop I went into today had heaps of orders for the Sierra he can't fill and he had lots on order.

[Nick Short]

That's crazy! It's a fantastic looking model, and I can only assume that it's not very well publicised (a shop in Adelaide didn't know it was being released!) or, as they say on Little Britain, those who don't want it "must be a gay, a woman or a mental".

[mick xu1]

One thing is for sure i will not let this one slip by, not like the 89 one....it took me two years to find one and pay more for it

[thekid_600]

Originally posted by Nick Short
I LOVE those wheels, and reckon they look heaps better than the 7 spoke RS alloys on the previous Johnson Sierra. So it can live in the shadow and I don't care! Same with the second Greens Tuf XE.....

Totally agree with the wheels Nick. I absolutely love thos wheels too. BBS look a likes, suits the sierra. :)

The reason I asked is cos in the prototype photo, there was no aerial on the roof of the car. I remember the 1989 version had one, cos i still remember the extra plastic insert in the Biante Box to protect the aerial. didnt the 88 one have an aerial too?

or am i dreaming up of something again? :confused:

[BATHURSTFAN]

Nick

What I was trying to say was that he had 20 or so Sierra models on his books as being ordered (from Biante) but he had about 35 people on the waiting list.

Glenn

[Nick Short]

My mistake! I thought you meant he couldn't shift his quota! I reckon the model is a real looker, and should be very popular, but as I've said, it's not always possible to predict.

[b sharp]

Looking at the website today and its back to in production.
could just be a mistake, i hope, please ,cant wait any longer, noooooooooooooo.

[Dingo]

Originally posted by b sharp
Looking at the website today and its back to in production.
could just be a mistake, i hope, please ,cant wait any longer, noooooooooooooo.
So has the Murray Carter XY GTHO...problems in shipping perhaps? It's happened before that models have been bumped back if some have missed shipment IIRC...

[LC Torana]

The linamint LC Torana is also back to In Production,
thou the rally red is still In Transit

[thekid_600]

looks like the wait will be extended.....

weird how quite a few models have missed shipment...... they're all produced i assume. i guess its just a matter of when it'll get here.

[thekid_600]

looks like the wait will be extended.....

weird how quite a few models have missed shipment...... they're all produced i assume. i guess its just a matter of when it'll get here.

[camshaft]

Good.It will give me some time to save some money.

[thekid_600]

Originally posted by camshaft
Good.It will give me some time to save some money.

you've read my mind. :)

[brchi17]

Originally posted by thekid_600
Just want to know if the actual model will be much different from the prototype picture shown on the website right now. Wheels, etc.....

From my pictures & what I recall of this race car, it's basically as you see on the photo of the prototype model. The 7 spoke Gold wheel's weren't made for Dick until 1989. Up until then he ran the std BBS wheels, just like all the other Sierra's did in their day.

The only thing what is puzzling me is the "Recaro" on the side window. I can't ever recall Dick having anything other than the drivers name on the rear side glass of his Sierra's & that was only after CAMS made it mandatory to do so in the early 1990’s.

Then again, Dick has several minor sponsor changes during the year & this could have been one of them. I also seem to recall that later in the year the "Ford" blue oval (under the rear bar of the LH & RH sides) was replaced with a "Dunlop" logo for the 3 car assault on Bathurst that year.

I’m heading off track again, but rest assured the model will be 100% right by the time we all get it in our hot little hands & I for one can’t wait it.

cheers. :)

[Mark H-M]

I was always amazed that when the Johnson car ran in NZ they generally had completely differenst signage than when in the ATCC. This seemed in spite of the reports of being the best funded team etc.

[thekid_600]

hehe Brad you're an encyclopaedia. my bank of memory only goes back to the mid 90s.

as long as the wheels are the BBS version - im a happy little camper!!

can't wait for it. and it's just been pushed back to "In production"...... guess it gives me time to save up! although this one will probably not be as popular as the 89 one. i still prefer the 88.

[porsche956]

Originally posted by Mark H-M
I was always amazed that when the Johnson car ran in NZ they generally had completely differenst signage than when in the ATCC. This seemed in spite of the reports of being the best funded team etc.

Their main backers back then (Shell Australia and Palmer Tube Mills) only backed him when he was racing in Australia; the sponsorship didn't necessarily cover New Zealand. That's why when Dick raced over there he had different sponsors. If I've got it right:
86: JPS
87: DDB Needham (the advertising company that handled Ford's marketing)
88-91: Fletcher Steel (a NZ company bought by Ross Palmer)
92: Shell

Another example of this was when the V8's went over at the end of '96. Ford NZ wouldn't tip any money in, so all the Ford logos came off the DJR cars for the duration of the trip.

[Barra]

Originally posted by brchi17
The only thing what is puzzling me is the "Recaro" on the side window. I can't ever recall Dick having anything other than the drivers name on the rear side glass of his Sierra's & that was only after CAMS made it mandatory to do so in the early 1990’s.


I have never seen a picture with the RECARO name either. With the regulations at the time in regard to what could be put on the roof or glass, I would be surprised if it would even be legal.

[Richard Poole]

Followers of Minichamps 1:18 Sierra's (The euro ones) would recognise the Recaro logo from the window of previous models. When the prototype was made they must have used the windows out of a German Sierra and as such, included the RECARO logo.

It has been removed on the production model.

[Dingo]

Originally posted by Richard Poole
Followers of Minichamps 1:18 Sierra's (The euro ones) would recognise the Recaro logo from the window of previous models. When the prototype was made they must have used the windows out of a German Sierra and as such, included the RECARO logo.

It has been removed on the production model. Here's a good example of what Richard is talking about (http://www.tbarmodelcars.com.au/Uploads/Images/Mi nichamps%20006(2).jpg).

[brchi17]

Originally posted by thekid_600
hehe Brad you're an encyclopaedia. my bank of memory only goes back to the mid 90s

Not really, I have always beed a fanatic Dick Johnson supporter & was around to see him during his glory years ;) !!!

Originally posted by Barra
I have never seen a picture with the RECARO name either. With the regulations at the time in regard to what could be put on the roof or glass, I would be surprised if it would even be legal.

Your right about the sponsor logo being illegal at the time for that position of the car. Basically from memory (rembering I don't have a CAMS manual to check for that year) the only signage allowed was the drivers name across the top of the windscreen.

Originally posted by Richard Poole
Followers of Minichamps 1:18 Sierra's (The euro ones) would recognise the Recaro logo from the window of previous models. When the prototype was made they must have used the windows out of a German Sierra and as such, included the RECARO logo.

It has been removed on the production model.

Thanks for the info Richard, I thought there would be a simple explanation for it.

cheers. :)

[jsr555]

Ok, I'm new to this waiting game, now it's back to 'In Transit' how long do we usually have to wait till it's in the shops??

[Ice Wgn]

Till they repair the flat tyre on the Rickshaw.

[Nick Short]

C'maaaaan, where is it? I've got a space ready next to my Brock and Texaco RS500s.......The wait is killing me!

[Odin]

Patience young grasshopper! :D All good things come to those who wait :)

[LC Torana]

DUE IN STOCK : Thurs 24th Feb 2005.
** Order limit of one model per customer !

[Ice Wgn]

Confucius says " That feather of Rooster is harder to swallow than hair of Dog".

[jsr555]

I do not think you blokes are taking this seriously....
I neeeed that Sierra.

[ZORAK]

Originally posted by biante4923
DUE IN STOCK : Thurs 24th Feb 2005.
** Order limit of one model per customer !

Man the back pocket sure is copping a beating so far this year!

Z!

[VXfan]

Tell me about it! Moffat ,then Brock,then Johnson in successive weeks!!! Credit card meltdown:eek:

[ferrari fan]

Originally posted by VXfan
Tell me about it! Moffat ,then Brock,then Johnson in successive weeks!!! Credit card meltdown:eek:

You missed the Janson-Perkins & M. Carter plus the XAGT 1973 winner!
;)

[VXfan]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
You missed the Janson-Perkins & M. Carter plus the XAGT 1973 winner!
;)
No.I got those too!!!!:D

[Odin]

1 Sleep to go! :D . So who's thinking this model will cause a semi meltdown like the Brock hdt a9x? Biante probably have backup server bandwidth to cope, but I think there will be a big rush on this one myself.

[jsr555]

I'm not sure if it will go off like the A9x, but the low number, 4000, will make it a little harder to get I would imagine.

[awawaw]

i hope its not too hard to get. although im in the box seat as i should be home in time when it goes on sale.

[Odin]

hmm seems like a lot of people on this afternoon :D Wonder why? ;)

[Odin]

Feels like the server slowed down a bit but I have my order in :D woohoo!

[VXfan]

Me too!:D

[zigi08]

got mine too! :cool:

[ratbag-racing]

Got mine as well & the GT's for the little dude !:D

[ZORAK]

Just got in... it was still there to be ordered, clicked add to cart, came up saying "Item number xxxx has been removed from your cart as it is temp out of stock"

S**t missed out by > < much!

Z :mad:

[ferrari fan]

I have got mine here right next to me and it is a pearler.
The wheels with the red paint and the decals makes it an oustanding model.
It has a different feel to it in regards to the 89 winner.
More of a raw ready racer, justy my oppinion.

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by ZORAK
Just got in... it was still there to be ordered, clicked add to cart, came up saying "Item number xxxx has been removed from your cart as it is temp out of stock"

S**t missed out by > < much!

Z :mad:

Get back in there quick as a couple more were just put on site. Only a few though!

[ratbag-racing]

Anyone know how many get put up on the site for pre orders.........they seem to go mighty fast these days.

[ferrari fan]

Make sure that when you pick it up that the retailer gives you the flyer with it as it has a separate single page (red) brochure with it
and of course a certificate (4000 ex)

[ZORAK]

GOT IT!!!!!!! Woooooooo hoooooo

Z :D

[singer]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
I have got mine here right next to me and it is a pearler.
The wheels with the red paint and the decals makes it an oustanding model.
It has a different feel to it in regards to the 89 winner.
More of a raw ready racer, justy my oppinion.


You must be one of Garry's best customers not to mention living at his doorstep:D ;)

[castkrazy]

Originally posted by ratbag-racing
Anyone know how many get put up on the site for pre orders.........they seem to go mighty fast these days.

were these a pre-order or currently in stock for on site orders . :confused:

[singer]

Originally posted by singer
You must be one of Garry's best customers not to mention living at his doorstep:D ;)

BTW I've ordered mine, so I'm happy

[Odin]

it's still in stock!

[awawaw]

i rushed home to make sure i didnt miss out but they havnet sold out yet. and its now 8.30 EST

[Nick Short]

Congrats Zorak! You must be feeling mighty relieved!

[ZORAK]

I am... very! :D

Z!

[castkrazy]

Once again it's showing this model is in stock on the site .. Get in quick to avoid missing out ...:)

[Nick Short]

Actually, Richard's a bit of a legend to tip Zorak off about that - so let's not hear any more of those scurrilous rumours about him.

[Goodwrench3]

Originally posted by singer
You must be one of Garry's best customers not to mention living at his doorstep:D ;)

Garry does look after his 'good' customers, and Triking easily accessable to anyone with the relevant motivation and credit!!!
Got mine and it's all good. Would argue that it's a better feel than the '89 car though - the wheels have a lot to do with that.

[Goodwrench3]

Originally posted by Goodwrench3
Garry does look after his 'good' customers, and Triking easily accessable to anyone with the relevant motivation and credit!!!

.

Just to clarify, I do mean credit with your preferred financial institution and not with Garry as such!

[KRAKA05]

woo hoo...got the sierra...now I'm a happy chappy.

[Nathan Rzepecki]

were these a pre-order or currently in stock for on site orders . :confused:

Was no advanced order on this model.

[mick xu1]

I saw this Model at DJR today, looks good well worth the purchase, but i do think the 89 car is just a bit better

[fordmad17]

I agree with Mick, must be something to do with the wheels. The 89' car just looks more striking. The 88' car is still a great looking model though.

[castkrazy]

Originally posted by Nathan Rzepecki
Was no advanced order on this model.

Thanks Nathan , at first I wasn't sure and thought if it was a pre-order these models must have been and gone already as they seem to go pretty quick these days , but then I realised they were in stock orders .

Cheers

Jim .

[Nick Short]

Oddly, I prefer the '88 wheels to the '89! I guess those 7 spoke RS alloys were just too commonplace in the UK at the time, but if they were unfamiliar in Australia then they would still look special!

[Mark H-M]

Nick, why were the wheel commonplace? I thought DJR had them specially made (I know they hade the DJR logo cast into them and that he sold a bunch to various teams, including Mobil 1 Racing).

[Nick Short]

I meant the design rather than the wheels themselves - obviously they were wider and had different offset etc to road wheels. The design had been around since the Escort RS1600i, and had been used on the RS Turbo, RS1700T, RS200 etc, and I suppose it was just too familiar to me. Plus for whatever reason they look very heavy visually on a race car to me, as opposed to the multi-spoke jobs.

[Mark H-M]

Thanks Nick, you cleared up that puzzle. BTW. Have you been to the French GP, if so, where is the best place to sit?

[VXfan]

Ok,this isnt a whinge,merely an observation.I just got my DJ Sierra and noticed a few differences with the model to the brochure.
Firstly what is that white cap on the roof that doesnt appear in the brochure?
Secondly,the tyres have Dunlop on them in the brochure bit on the model they are blank.
Thirdly,the brochure shows 7sport signage on the glove box but it is not on the model.
There is also a difference with the battery sign on the bonnet and also the model has a Ford badge on the front which isnt on the brochure.
As I said,not a whinge as long as the model is correct ,not the brochure!!
Anyone else got theirs yet?Have you found any differences?

[zigi08]

Does it say " prototype" any where on the brochure???...that's the only thing I can think of...

[VXfan]

No it says in the bottom right hand corner - "Photo of actual model" which it isnt I might add.

[Richard Poole]

It's the prototype.

[VXfan]

Thank you Richard.:)
By the way,what is that white cap on the roof???

[Richard Poole]

It's a transponder or transmitter for either the in car telemetry or timing, not sure of the exact purpose. It could be both.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Richard Poole
It's a transponder or transmitter for either the in car telemetry or timing, not sure of the exact purpose. It could be both.

It's actually the microwave sender that was used to send the race cam pictures (from the car) up to the helicopter.

The image was then transmitted (from the heliocopter) to the track side broadcast vehicle, which eventually got them onto the telly.

cheers. :)

[Richard Poole]

Thanks Brad, clears it up for me.

[ZORAK]

Originally posted by brchi17
It's actually the microwave sender that was used to send the race cam pictures (from the car) up to the helicopter.

The image was then transmitted (from the heliocopter) to the track side broadcast vehicle, which eventually got them onto the telly.


Is there nothing this man does not know? :D

LOL

Z!

[VXfan]

As Samuel L Jackson would say - "Check out the big brain on Brad!"
Nice one,thanks:D

[awawaw]

Originally posted by VXfan
Ok,this isnt a whinge,merely an observation.I just got my DJ Sierra and noticed a few differences with the model to the brochure.
Firstly what is that white cap on the roof that doesnt appear in the brochure?
Secondly,the tyres have Dunlop on them in the brochure bit on the model they are blank.
Thirdly,the brochure shows 7sport signage on the glove box but it is not on the model.
There is also a difference with the battery sign on the bonnet and also the model has a Ford badge on the front which isnt on the brochure.
As I said,not a whinge as long as the model is correct ,not the brochure!!
Anyone else got theirs yet?Have you found any differences?

well the stickers on the dash SHOULD be on the model
it would of been nice if dunlop stayed on the tyres
i think the dash SHOULD of been black. correct me if im wrong. i noticed the 89 model is the same.
ford bagde is right
the battery sign is right.
some other things depend on if it is general version of that year or one race as the smaller signs changed.

[awawaw]

first one's poped up on ebay already as a double pack with the 89

[brchi17]

Originally posted by awawaw
.....some other things depend on if it is general version of that year or one race as the smaller signs changed.

So what is it in particular that you feel in not indicative of the race in which this model is meant to represent???

I'd be interested to know.

cheers. :)

[LC Torana]

awawaw

3rd one on ebay actually, these were the first two,
from a familiar seller who always has new items listed as they are
released or sometimes even before they are released...

Both purchased Buy It Now for $249.00, and by the same buyer.....


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6949253929
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6949253762

[McLarenFan]

If any of the Perth people are after this model, Stanbridges in Mt Lawley had 2 left today(28/02/05) at retail price.

:D

[awawaw]

Originally posted by brchi17
So what is it in particular that you feel in not indicative of the race in which this model is meant to represent???

I'd be interested to know.

cheers. :)

i think i shot my mouth off too quickly (whats new)
R8-9 (small dulux stickers on the sides of the front bumber under geoff goebel signs)

the cars started off with only shell stickers on the lights for R1-4
and the white dish on the roof wasnt there all the time either because he didnt carry a camera for the whole season. sometimes it may of been black too.
R1 camera
R2-4 no camera
R5-6 camera
R7 not sure
R8-9 camera
ATCRA 1988 by ray simpson is what im looking at mostly

[Nick Short]

I also haven't worked out which race the model represents. I suppose with any championship-winning car you can model it as it raced in the deciding event, or the last race of the season, or an amalagam of several races. Which is it with this one? This isn't a criticism in any way, by the way!

[Kenseth17]

Picked up mine today from Triking in the city and I must say I am really impressed.After reading the leaflet on the car and the year in 1988, I had forgotten how dominant the Sierras and DJR were.Pretty awesome stuff! :)

[b sharp]

Originally posted by VXfan
Ok,this isnt a whinge,merely an observation.I just got my DJ Sierra and noticed a few differences with the model to the brochure.
Firstly what is that white cap on the roof that doesnt appear in the brochure?
Secondly,the tyres have Dunlop on them in the brochure bit on the model they are blank.
Thirdly,the brochure shows 7sport signage on the glove box but it is not on the model.
There is also a difference with the battery sign on the bonnet and also the model has a Ford badge on the front which isnt on the brochure.
As I said,not a whinge as long as the model is correct ,not the brochure!!
Anyone else got theirs yet?Have you found any differences?

I have the ATCRA (Australian Touring Car Racing Annual) witch is a hard covered book covering the 1988 ATCC from all the photos i can see that the white button on the roof was only there for the Calder Park round (round 1)and Oran Park round (round 9) wasn't even on the car for bathurst. As for the Dunlop on the tyres that didnt appear on the car for the whole season, so it is eather the Calder or oran park car if this book is correct. :confused: