Mark Webber poll

[inter]

where do you all think webber will finish in this years 2005 F1 championship.

Remember take into consideration the following;
Two ferrari
mclarens driven by rainoken and montoya
renault now have fisi plus alonso
buttons bar
and to a lesser extent toyota of schu jnr and trulli
also his own team mate heidfield.



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[Elvis]

Good question,

#1-Ferrari Schuey.
#2-Kimi.
#3-Rubens
#4-JPM
#5-Alonso
#6-Webber---I say 6th in points-his 1st year in Williams,and i dont think Williams are as strong as they make out to be.

[dwarfs]

well its hard because i hate the guy but then again i have to be fair....

i will say 5th

1st. Alonso:D
2nd. M.Shumacher
3rd. Raikkonen
4th. Heidfeld
5th. Webber
6th Trulli


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[inter]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dwarfs
[B]well its hard because i hate the guy but then again i have to be fair....


"hate " is a strong word.


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[dwarfs]

Originally posted by inter
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dwarfs
[B]well its hard because i hate the guy but then again i have to be fair....


"hate " is a strong word.


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maybe but i have my reasons , as i have stated many times before.....

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[wayno]

I've taken an optimistic view and picked him for fourth. Great wording dwarfs, you really know how to win friends and influence people! :rolleyes:

[dwarfs]

Originally posted by wayno
I've taken an optimistic view and picked him for fourth. Great wording dwarfs, you really know how to win friends and influence people! :rolleyes: thank you :D

i cant see whats wrong with me saying i dont like he guy, because i dont but i will rate him fairly....

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[Elvis]

Originally posted by dwarfs
well its hard because i hate the guy but then again i have to be fair....


You hate him because he spoke out against Pizzaboy........whats he suppose to say,Pizza was great,he was really fast???

Obviously Webber wasnt the only one who thought Pizza wasnt up to the job........otherwise he wouldnt be scraping together a last minute CART ride.

[dwarfs]

Originally posted by Elvis
You hate him because he spoke out against Pizzaboy........whats he suppose to say,Pizza was great,he was really fast???

Obviously Webber wasnt the only one who thought Pizza wasnt up to the job........otherwise he wouldnt be scraping together a last minute CART ride. Yeah the only thing that got me about it was that he mocked him right infront of his face and i mean do you see any other F1 drivers/teams doing that ???


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[wayno]

Originally posted by dwarfs
Yeah the only thing that got me about it was that he mocked him right infront of his face and i mean do you see any other F1 drivers/teams doing that ???

Doesn't the fact that he was probably right hold any meaning for you? This is a competitive sport and the players should expect a bit of critisism if they are obviously not up to the task.
Pizz boy also has sprouted a lot of garbage about prefferential treatment, etc and I think Mark just got sick of it.

[dwarfs]

Originally posted by wayno
Doesn't the fact that he was probably right hold any meaning for you? This is a competitive sport and the players should expect a bit of critisism if they are obviously not up to the task.
Pizz boy also has sprouted a lot of garbage about prefferential treatment, etc and I think Mark just got sick of it.
yeah but what he got wasent just a bit of critisism....
If he had something to say to pizzonia he should of said it in private and in a different manner.. Saying what he said infront of the team itself didnt help ...

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[wayno]

Originally posted by dwarfs
yeah but what he got wasent just a bit of critisism....
If he had something to say to pizzonia he should of said it in private and in a different manner.. Saying what he said infront of the team itself didnt help ...


I don't think Pizza Boy is the first driver to whinge about his machinery and he wont be the last. Renault and Trulli weren't real civil to each other towards the end of last year. This happens quite a bit.
I'm sure you're probably more bothered by the incident than either Webber or the nearly good enough Brazilian.

[dwarfs]

Originally posted by wayno
I don't think Pizza Boy is the first driver to whinge about his machinery and he wont be the last. Renault and Trulli weren't real civil to each other towards the end of last year. This happens quite a bit.
I'm sure you're probably more bothered by the incident than either Webber or the nearly good enough Brazilian.
dont get me started on the trulli saga..Im a big Reno fan and to see Trulli leave well it was shocking....

Nearly good ??? anybody that makes it into F1 ,( one of the leading motorsport catorgories in the world ) is more than "nearly good"....

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[wayno]

Elvis summed it up earlier. If Pizza Man was good enough he'd still be in F1. End of story.
You're entitled to your opinion and I respect that. This is my last word on the subject.

[dwarfs]

Originally posted by wayno
Elvis summed it up earlier. If Pizza Man was good enough he'd still be in F1. End of story.
You're entitled to your opinion and I respect that. This is my last word on the subject.
hey im sure pizzonia will be back !!!! Hes got the money and he could buy himself a ride with a team like "red bull" or "sauber" or "minardi" i just dont think we have seen the end of him in F1 yet...


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[Mclaren]

The fact of the matter is the new Williams and webber are not going to make an impression,Wiilliams knows this and this is FACT. There engine currently is producing 965bhp compared with Renault and Mclaren witch are producing 980bhp+ over 1600 km. Ferrari insiders claim there 054 engine is making 973 bhp early Feberary and will rise as the season progresses. Honda are stating there engine is good for over 1000bhp in quilifying trim and for short bursts. Aero wise williams are claiming an aero drag factor for the FW27 at 0.39.45 compared with Mclaren and Renualt at 0.3445 and 033.78. Ferrari are claiming 0.3317 at the end of January for there new F2005 and BAR claim 0.31.01. Williams are by some margin off the pace equipment wise and there is no possiblity for a driver to make up the gap of his car when it is so great compared with the competition. 2005 is not looking good for BMWwilliamsF1.

[dwarfs]

Originally posted by Mclaren
The fact of the matter is the new Williams and webber are not going to make an impression,Wiilliams knows this and this is FACT. There engine currently is producing 965bhp compared with Renault and Mclaren witch are producing 980bhp+ over 1600 km. Ferrari insiders claim there 054 engine is making 973 bhp early Feberary and will rise as the season progresses. Honda are stating there engine is good for over 1000bhp in quilifying trim and for short bursts. Aero wise williams are claiming an aero drag factor for the FW27 at 0.39.45 compared with Mclaren and Renualt at 0.3445 and 033.78. Ferrari are claiming 0.3317 at the end of January for there new F2005 and BAR claim 0.31.01. Williams are by some margin off the pace equipment wise and there is no possiblity for a driver to make up the gap of his car when it is so great compared with the competition. 2005 is not looking good for BMWwilliamsF1. This is very intresting ....

May i ask where you found this info ????


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[SWRT]

More engine Horsepower that Ferrari, Renauly and BAR.
Means less reliablility, and more engine blow outs.
I think Micheal won't have the motivation to win more titles, since he already has 7.
Ross Brawn saying he'll win 10 is Stupid, even Micheal would agree with that if BMW Williams,BAR,McLaren and Renault get it right on race day more often.