Allan Moffat/Mark Webber

[Gillick]

Saw on the news earlier that Allan moffat dubbed Mark Webber's race as "boring." Webber's not happy about it either, throwing a few expletives here and there. What are your thoughts?

[Y2Joel]

The way I heard it, I thought Mark said the race was boring on a radio station and then Allan called him unsportsman for saying it. CEO of the GP or whoever he is said maybe the reason Webber thought the GP was boring was because he couldn't win. Webber then made the remark walking "How many GP's has Moffat done" or words to that effect.

To me, Mark is a little to arrogant for his boots.

[JD350]

Webber was commenting and gave his opinion about an event and the rule changes and how he believes those rules affected the racing, Moffat made it personal, now who do you think was arrogant?

[roboneill]

personally, i think good on webber, imagine the pressure this guy is under to perform from the Australian Media and public..

I didn't here any of the comments from either party, but if someone attacks him personally well good on him for having a go back.
i dont know of any other F1 driver who is as honest as Webber is.
If he stuffs up, he says it and says in Public, you get guys like Kimi and quite a few others who are totally unproachable and wont admit to when they stuff up or under perform.
Webber is a fresh change for F1 and calls as it is.

[A9L]

Originally posted by roboneill
personally, i think good on webber, imagine the pressure this guy is under to perform from the Australian Media and public..

I didn't here any of the comments from either party, but if someone attacks him personally well good on him for having a go back.
i dont know of any other F1 driver who is as honest as Webber is.
If he stuffs up, he says it and says in Public, you get guys like Kimi and quite a few others who are totally unproachable and wont admit to when they stuff up or under perform.
Webber is a fresh change for F1 and calls as it is.


Here! Here!.

[Footy]

Originally posted by JD350
Webber was commenting and gave his opinion about an event and the rule changes and how he believes those rules affected the racing, Moffat made it personal, now who do you think was arrogant?
Moffat 1
Bond 2 :eek: ;)

[Malik]

personal opinion... I only just heard it on the news tonite... while I don't necessarily agree with what Moffit said about Webber being unsportsmanlike or whatever he said...

I think Webber should have used the grey matter before saying "how many grand prix' has moffit run" cos I think records speak for themselves.. and when Webber has a record like moffit has he can make comments like that... but with his 2 fifth places compared to Moffit's history.. he should have thought a little more about his comments...


on a side note I personally think that if Webber found the GP boring for whatever reason.. then perhaps he should be stepping aside and giving his seat to someone who wouldnt think it was boring.... Im sure there is millions of racers around the world who would be thrilled to be in webber's place and wouldnt find racing in one of the worlds most prestigious classes "boring"

[wayno]

Originally posted by roboneill
personally, i think good on webber, imagine the pressure this guy is under to perform from the Australian Media and public..

I didn't here any of the comments from either party, but if someone attacks him personally well good on him for having a go back.
i dont know of any other F1 driver who is as honest as Webber is.
If he stuffs up, he says it and says in Public, you get guys like Kimi and quite a few others who are totally unproachable and wont admit to when they stuff up or under perform.
Webber is a fresh change for F1 and calls as it is.

About time we got another driver in F1 who says what he thinks. Most of these guys are just corporate robots and are just boring a hell.
I must also think that I didn't see Mark's comment either. From what I heard it was made as an aside to a journalist just after climbing out of his car at the end of the race.
This is a beat up of mammoth proportions and I think Moffat's comments are a joke. Webber arrogant? How's life in that glass house Allan?

[biante1478]

Originally posted by wayno
About time we got another driver in F1 who says what he thinks. Most of these guys are just corporate robots and are just boring a hell.
I must also think that I didn't see Mark's comment either. From what I heard it was made as an aside to a journalist just after climbing out of his car at the end of the race.
This is a beat up of mammoth proportions and I think Moffat's comments are a joke. Webber arrogant? How's life in that glass house Allan?

No, your comments are the joke. Moffat didn't say Webber was arrogant, he said unsportsmanlike, which is true. Webber saying that racing his competitors is boring is an insult to them. At least most of them beat him.
Can you ever imagine Alan Moffat or Peter Brock saying that racing Grice, Bond, Morris etc was boring. No, they have more class than that.
Clearly Webber has got some more learning how to put his car in gear, not his mouth.

[wayno]

Originally posted by biante1478
No, your comments are the joke. Moffat didn't say Webber was arrogant, he said unsportsmanlike, which is true. Webber saying that racing his competitors is boring is an insult to them. At least most of them beat him.
Can you ever imagine Alan Moffat or Peter Brock saying that racing Grice, Bond, Morris etc was boring. No, they have more class than that.
Clearly Webber has got some more learning how to put his car in gear, not his mouth.

Oh yes, and Allan Moffat has always been the consumate sportsman (Bathurst 77 springs to mind)! Did Webber say racing his competitors was boring or that he found the race boring? I heard what I think was the reporter in question talking about this incident. He said he spoke to Webber just after he got out of his car, asked him about how the race was and in response Webber said "boring coach, boring."
If I am wrong I apologise and could someone please post a transcript of what was said.
I don't see how this can be seen as a slur on the drivers he's raced against. Webber has said he was frustrated losing a place to Coulthard off the line and then being stuck in behind him, but in every interview I've seen he's said good luck to Coulthard for making the move.
Did you hear any of this incident first hand? Or are you reading what I consider to be media beat ups over the incident?
I live in Australia and follow F1 and this race in particular VERY closely. Thank-you for pointing out that myself and the others that seem to share the same view are obviously not allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours. :rolleyes:

[brchi17]

The fact is Mark spoke about how he was really felling about his race, not the actual GP, which the greater press has misconstrue.

If you’d spent the greater part of the GP driving around on your own, you'd possible be bored too. Remember guys he's a racer & during the Australian GP he did very little wheel to wheel racing apart from the first couple of corners.

That said, I can certainly understand where his comments have come from & whole heartily agree with him.

Unfortunately this is the point that the greater non-motorsport media has missed & like usual are sensationalising only half of what is true.

cheers. :)

[wayno]

Thank-you Brad for saying what I was trying to in a much more eloquent way. ;)

[biante1478]

Originally posted by wayno
Thank-you for pointing out that myself and the others that seem to share the same view are obviously not allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours. :rolleyes:

Opinions are funny things eh? You post a highly critical opinion of Alan Moffat. I happen to disagree and post my thoughts. And somehow I’m imposing my opinion on everyone else? How does that work?
If you can't handle debate on the topic, don't post.

[wayno]

Read the other posts in this thread. Just tell me where Webber said racing the other competitors was boring?
You have teed off on Mark Webber without justification in my opinion. I will once again stress that Webber did not say racing other competitors was boring. This has been taken out of context by a very small proportion of the media.
If he did say something as scandalous as that then any media critisism would be justified. I can't find any mention of it on any of the big media sites overseas though.
You are the one telling me my opinions are a joke. I answered your thread in the same tone as yours was posted.
I also stand by my opinions of Allan Moffat when he was racing. Just because he has mellowed in later years does not alter the fact that he was quite a bristly customer in his racing days.

[timbo333]

Hehehehehehe........

I think you all need to go and have a lie down. Calm down fella's.

Both guys are champions in my book. So what if they get a little heated when being questioned etc. It all adds tothe fun....

Timbo.

[ferrari fan]

Originally posted by timbo333
Hehehehehehe........

I think you all need to go and have a lie down. Calm down fella's.

Both guys are champions in my book. So what if they get a little heated when being questioned etc. It all adds tothe fun....

Timbo.

To true.
When ANY driver climbs out of ANY racecar ANY where , he should be allowed to get the adrinalin rush under control.
I have raced in the past and straight after a race you are on another planet reason is not part of the thinking patern.
No deadbeat journo should be allowed anywhere near a driver straight after a race never mind a F1 race meet.

[hobby]

Originally posted by timbo333
Hehehehehehe........

I think you all need to go and have a lie down. Calm down fella's.

Both guys are champions in my book. So what if they get a little heated when being questioned etc. It all adds tothe fun....

Timbo.

Hi again to all.
Timbo you seem to sum it up.
But to all contributers etc including myself ,
How many of us could function let alone drive a formula 1 car, under the the pressure that Mark Webber must be experiencing .
there is enough on his back at the moment without any of the
tall poppy syndrome
please get behind the man, not on his back

[Oh Five]

Originally posted by wayno
[.
I also stand by my opinions of Allan Moffat when he was racing. Just because he has mellowed in later years does not alter the fact that he was quite a bristly customer in his racing days. [/B]

I would actually go a bit further than that,Wayno and say that when he was racing, he was nothing more than an arrogant, .......................................[U]

[ferrari fan]

Originally posted by Oh Five
I would actually go a bit further than that,Wayno and say that when he was racing, he was nothing more than an arrogant, ...........................................[U]



Strange how popular the models of A. Moffat OBE still are?:confused:

[VXfan]

If any of the 'Moffat haters' wish to relinquish their collections (in particular the 64E and 65E cars) I will gladly have them!:D :p

[SWRT]

I don't blame Mark for saying the race was boring, most of the time he had no one around him, I've done some go-karting when I was the only and I found that boring.
Just ask all the drivers how they feel after racing around the Hungaroring.

[TBVX05]

Mark will calm down when he gets a few GPs under his belt with Williams, and hopefully he will add some victories too.:)

[szwadiak100]

I think a lot of people mistook what Webber said. When he says the race is boring, a lot of people took that to mean that he was saying the Australian Grand Prix as an event was boring, when in actual fact I think he meant that personally for him the race was boring and frustrating as he got stuck behind Coulthard.

To say Webber is arrogant is a joke. He is probably the most down-to-earth F1 driver of all of them. Frankly, I would expect better from someone with Moffat's knowledge and experience. I also find it amusing to hear Moffat call someone else arrogant, maybe he should take a look in the mirror.

[wayno]

Seems a few of us share the same opinion. ;)

[wayno]

Taken from the Herald/Sun today, Friday 11th March 2005:
"Over at Albert Park, Mark Webber said he had a 'boring, boring' race and his comments were picked up by people who thought he was talking about the event rather than his own race.
Webber was forced to defend himself after his chat was recorded by a reporter. Touring-car great Allan Moffat commented on Webber's verdict, but later apologised for the misunderstanding."

All settled. Amazing how some people just run with something when they don't know the facts and have no idea what they are talking about.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by wayno
...All settled. Amazing how some people just run with something when they don't know the facts and have no idea what they are talking about.

Sure is isn't it.

I wonder if anyone has decided to point this out to the greater non-motorsport media who though they had a scoup, but actually didn't have a clue :rolleyes: !!!

Come to think of it, I've read a few posts that would also do well from being reminded as well too. :D !!!

All in the name of fun.

cheers.

[wayno]

Originally posted by brchi17
Sure is isn't it.

I wonder if anyone has decided to point this out to the greater non-motorsport media who though they had a scoup, but actually didn't have a clue :rolleyes: !!!

Come to think of it, I've read a few posts that would also do well from being reminded as well too. :D !!!

All in the name of fun.

cheers.

Agreed mate. People it seems hate to admit they are wrong. I only found this bit in the motoring section of the paper as a two paragraph addition at the end of an article on Ryan Briscoe.
If you stuff up admit it.

[amiers]

Oh yes, and Allan Moffat has always been the consumate sportsman (Bathurst 77 springs to mind)!


i must ask why this is always brought up. he owned the team , he was the lead driver and the race was offered to Bond as the drivers were cross entered. this was a loop hole at the time and Moffat had cleared it with the race officials. Bond said no as he wanted to drive his own car start to finish. i would like to see any of us in Moffats shoes and see what we would do!

[brchi17]

Originally posted by amiers
i must ask why this is always brought up. he owned the team , he was the lead driver and the race was offered to Bond as the drivers were cross entered. this was a loop hole at the time and Moffat had cleared it with the race officials. Bond said no as he wanted to drive his own car start to finish. i would like to see any of us in Moffat’s shoes and see what we would do!

I know had I been in either seat at the time I'd struggle to follow orders like Bondy did. I know you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you, but it would have taken a lot of courage & self control to do what he did. Remember this was at the Australian Everest of motorsport.

As for Moffat, when you’re the one who owns everything, you want things to work out the way you've planned. I'm sure there are a couple of races (& perhaps the 89 ATCC) that JB could have won in the Sierra era, but he chose to follow team orders & remain behind the boss.

At the end of the day this thread has been about people's responses to the media whom shoot off their mouths/pens/etc.... with only half the story. I for one are getting a bit sick of it as this often occurs when the general media tries their hand at motorsport. But how do you change something that doesn't believe it's not wrong ???

cheers. :)

[mick xu1]

With regards to Bondy driving the lead car with Moffat, I saw an article ware Moff wanted Bond in the No1 car but was told by the big boys at Broadmeadows it was no go for marketing reasons......please correct if I am wrong

I guess that result is still one of Fords most memorable and did the trick for sure, certainly knocked the wind out of the General, until Brocky got in the works A9X....But back onto the topic......in my view both men are entitled to there opinions and both said how they feel which I think is what we have been saying about Mark Webber, it's refreshing not to hear the same ol same ol