Shanghai Results

[Mux]

Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Laps Fastest Lap Fastest Lap Time Gap
1 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VZ 32 32 1:49.8334
2 6 Ford Performance Racing Jason Bright Ford Falcon BA 30 28 1:49.9560 0:00.1226
3 51 Super Cheap Auto Racing Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VZ 30 24 1:50.0115 0:00.1781
4 16 HSV Dealer Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VZ 29 27 1:50.0293 0:00.1959
5 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 30 26 1:50.1533 0:00.3199
6 11 Team Perkins Racing Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY 26 21 1:50.3438 0:00.5104
7 328 WOW Sight & Sound Max Wilson Holden Commodore VZ 27 25 1:50.5677 0:00.7343
8 3 Dodo Racing Jason Richards Holden Commodore VZ 30 27 1:50.5879 0:00.7545
9 17 Westpoint Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 32 31 1:50.6329 0:00.7995
10 888 Team Betta Electrical Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 31 25 1:50.7827 0:00.9493
11 88 Team Betta Electrical Steve Ellery Ford Falcon BA 30 24 1:50.8942 0:01.0608
12 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 20 16 1:50.8992 0:01.0658
13 21 Team BOC Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 30 27 1:50.9821 0:01.1487
14 021 Team Kiwi Racing Paul Radisich Holden Commodore VZ 20 14 1:51.1637 0:01.3303
15 9 Caltex Racing Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 26 21 1:51.2384 0:01.4050
16 50 Super Cheap Auto Racing Paul Weel Holden Commodore VZ 24 23 1:51.2655 0:01.4321
17 18 Westpoint Racing Glenn Seton Ford Falcon BA 29 29 1:51.4240 0:01.5906
18 168 Team Dynamik Simon Wills Holden Commodore VZ 28 28 1:51.4551 0:01.6217
19 48 WPS David Besnard Ford Falcon BA 26 24 1:51.5496 0:01.7162
20 15 Team Buick Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 27 27 1:51.5884 0:01.7550
21 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VZ 30 28 1:51.6618 0:01.8284
22 67 Sirromet-Life Style Wine Paul Morris Holden Commodore VZ 29 28 1:51.6833 0:01.8499
23 7 Autobarn Racing Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VZ 27 27 1:51.6884 0:01.8550
24 8 WPS Racing Craig Baird Ford Falcon BA 24 22 1:51.7092 0:01.8758
25 10 Larkham Orrcon Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 27 26 1:51.8176 0:01.9842
26 12 Team BOC John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 26 24 1:51.8576 0:02.0242
27 5 Ford Performance Racing Greg Ritter Ford Falcon BA 24 16 1:51.9290 0:02.0956
28 20 Larkham Orrcon Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 24 23 1:52.1179 0:02.2845
29 52 Fujitsu Racing Matthew White Ford Falcon BA 28 27 1:52.2774 0:02.4440
30 75 Toll Racing Anthony Tratt Holden Commodore VY 29 23 1:52.4418 0:02.6084
31 23 Dodo Racing Jamie Whincup Holden Commodore VZ 22 13 1:52.4587 0:02.6253
32 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Andrew Jones Holden Commodore VZ 26 22 1:53.3877 0:03.5543


Good to see the HRT boys in top 5 from the get go! Unlucky SBR, both outside top ten ;)

[singer]

I think the surprise in the top 5, is Bright in the FPR :eek:

[wayno]

Interesting so far, but it's only day one on a new circuit. I dare say things will change around quite a bit tomorrow.
Can't wait to get some vision from China. Will be interesting to see how the V8's look around there.

[brchi17]

Is there a V8 race on this weekend ???

I've just finished watching the news and didn't see any racing. I did see a Buick on jacks in pit lane & was told how important it was to China, but no racing.

Also while I'm having a *****, it was well after 5pm EST before AVESCO even bother to put up the times from a session that finished literally hours earlier in the day.

Considering 10 had almost 5 hours between the end of practice and the sport section if it’s news service, it’s amazing that they were unable to show any racing footage.

I just hope they get their act together before Sunday as the last thing I want to watch is a 5 hour telecast of the sights and sounds from China. Just show me the racing.

cheers. :)

[stirlf1]

Agreed. I made an effort to watch the sports segment of the 10 news tonight in the hopes of seeing the cars on track. :(

[Sats]

Originally posted by stirlf1
Agreed. I made an effort to watch the sports segment of the 10 news tonight in the hopes of seeing the cars on track. :(

Well they did show a couple of the cars on the track.....
unfortunate for everyone in that they weren't moving.

[Kiwiracing]

Originally posted by brchi17
Is there a V8 race on this weekend ???

I've just finished watching the news and didn't see any racing. I did see a Buick on jacks in pit lane & was told how important it was to China, but no racing.

Also while I'm having a *****, it was well after 5pm EST before AVESCO even bother to put up the times from a session that finished literally hours earlier in the day.

Considering 10 had almost 5 hours between the end of practice and the sport section if it’s news service, it’s amazing that they were unable to show any racing footage.

I just hope they get their act together before Sunday as the last thing I want to watch is a 5 hour telecast of the sights and sounds from China. Just show me the racing.

cheers.


oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh Brad, withdrawl symptoms??? ;) :D

Wasn't it just after 5pm when the results came up (I'm sure thats when I did my finishline) where 5pm AEST is actually 3pm in China and the V8's finished at 2.40pm assuming it wasn't delayed?

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Kiwiracing]

What a scare, checkout the knees on this guy:

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/photogallery/photovie w.asp?searchtxt=&ind=M&cat=EVNT&pid=188&piid=17003&pnum=3

A V8 Driver in Shorts.....


Cheers
Kiwiracing

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Kiwiracing
oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh Brad, withdrawl symptoms???

Wasn't it just after 5pm when the results came up (I'm sure thats when I did my finishline) where 5pm AEST is actually 3pm in China and the V8's finished at 2.40pm assuming it wasn't delayed?

Dam Straight !!!

I must have got the time difference wrong, but I thought they were on the track today from 10am to 12pm EST. That said, there not excuse for 10 not showing some actual racing from practice, considering how they are advertising it as a world first special event etc.....:rolleyes: I certainly expect to be straight after the footy, not the 4th of 5th item in the sports report.

I must admit I am struggling to find a reason to wait for Sports Tonight as all they usually do is repeat the 5pm news.

cheers. :)

[Kiwiracing]

This about practice from V8 website:

SBR miss opportunity in practice


Release Date: 10/06/2005
Stone Brothers Racing’s Marcos Ambrose and Russell Ingall have both finished outside the top 10 in the first practice session for round five of the V8 Supercar Championship Series at the Shanghai circuit in China today.

Both drivers had off-track excursions during the two-hour practice which damaged their tyres and hurt their chances of registering better times.

The session, which had several red flags and was cut short by eight minutes, was held in constantly changing weather conditions.

Ambrose was 12th fastest in his Pirtek Falcon while Ingall was 15th in his Caltex Ford – both drivers will be in the top 50% for qualifying tomorrow, which will be followed by an opening 22-lap race.

“I damaged my two rear tyres when I had an off at turn one and that ruined our chances of a decent lap,� said Ambrose.

“I tried to get through the gravel trap nice and clean, but the gravel was quiet coarse and ripped up my Dunlops as I tried to accelerate out.

“I think turn one will catch plenty of guys out this weekend.

“Overall the circuit is just mind blowing and it is fantastic that we have had the opportunity to come here as the V8 Supercar series.

read more here (http://www.v8supercar.com.au/news/latestnews/news display.asp?Ind=M&gid=17009)

[TBVX05]

Lets hope the results continue as they are for the race for HRT and SBR, so there wont be any collisions this time!

[Goodwrench3]

Originally posted by TBVX05
Lets hope the results continue as they are for the race for HRT and SBR, so there wont be any collisions this time!

Don't go putting any money on that happening Dude!

[Kiwiracing]

I wonder if the TV coverage in China is "Live":(

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Kiwiracing]

Well here's the top 10

Top 10 Shootout
Race Day: Saturday, 11:45-12:15 Race Duration: 30 Minutes Reverse Grid: N

Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Laps Fastest Lap Fastest Lap Time Gap
1 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VZ 1 1 1:49.8516
2 11 Team Perkins Racing Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY 1 1 1:50.0360 0:00.1844
3 51 Super Cheap Auto Racing Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VZ 1 1 1:50.0667 0:00.2151
4 021 Team Kiwi Racing Paul Radisich Holden Commodore VZ 1 1 1:50.1682 0:00.3166
5 888 Team Betta Electrical Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 1 1 1:50.1862 0:00.3346
6 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 1 1 1:50.2211 0:00.3695
7 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 1 1 1:50.5851 0:00.7335
8 6 Ford Performance Racing Jason Bright Ford Falcon BA 1 1 1:50.7781 0:00.9265
9 23 Dodo Racing Jamie Whincup Holden Commodore VZ 1 1 1:50.9121 0:01.0605
10 17 Westpoint Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 1 1 1:51.2731 0:01.4215

Go TKR!


Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Goodwrench3]

The Rat has been fast everywhere so fast this year. They're looking good.

[wayno]

Is there a decent live timing site for V8 Supercar that you don't have to pay for? I certainly don't know of one and have pretty much given up trying.
Besides, I know if I stay close to the computer then the results will be posted here sooner rather than later! :D

[Goodwrench3]

Yeah the 'normal' V8supercar site is piss poor - it still has nothing on it from China today as at 3.10pm EST.

[Martin Thomas]

Top 10 Shootout

1 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VZ 1 1

2 11 Team Perkins Racing Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY

3 51 Super Cheap Auto Racing Greg Murphy Holden Commodore

4 021 Team Kiwi Racing Paul Radisich Holden Commodore VZ 1 1

5 888 Team Betta Electrical Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 1 1

6 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 1 1

7 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 1 1 1:50.5851

8 6 Ford Performance Racing Jason Bright Ford Falcon BA 1 1

9 17 Westpoint Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 1 1

EXC 23 Dodo Racing Jamie Whincup Holden Commodore VZ

[Kiwiracing]

Huh:confused: I think you guys need to read the bottom of page one of this thread:p

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Martin Thomas]

Whoops, must be an echo in here.. Sorry.:D

[Pedro]

Race 1

Todd Kelly 1st
Steven Richards 2nd
Mark Skaife 3rd:D :D

[Grubby]

Pos Car Entrant Driver Vehicle Laps Race Time Fastest Lap Fastest Time
1 22 Holden Racing Team Todd Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 22 41:49.4584 11 1:51.0737
2 11 Team Perkins Racing Steven Richards Holden Commodore VY 22 41:50.5601 4 1:51.2962
3 2 Holden Racing Team Mark Skaife Holden Commodore VZ 22 41:53.4526 5 1:51.3011
4 888 Team Betta Electrical Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 22 41:53.8357 14 1:51.4702
5 1 Pirtek Racing Marcos Ambrose Ford Falcon BA 22 41:54.3447 8 1:51.5604
6 021 Team Kiwi Racing Paul Radisich Holden Commodore VZ 22 41:55.5014 10 1:51.5679
7 6 Ford Performance Racing Jason Bright Ford Falcon BA 22 41:59.2969 11 1:51.5765
8 3 Dodo Racing Jason Richards Holden Commodore VZ 22 42:01.1811 4 1:51.4500
9 23 Dodo Racing Jamie Whincup Holden Commodore VZ 22 42:02.5905 10 1:51.3821
10 51 Super Cheap Auto Racing Greg Murphy Holden Commodore VZ 22 42:03.1965 2 1:51.7468
11 17 Westpoint Racing Steven Johnson Ford Falcon BA 22 42:03.3926 11 1:51.6285
12 16 HSV Dealer Team Garth Tander Holden Commodore VZ 22 42:08.5828 8 1:52.1160
13 9 Caltex Racing Russell Ingall Ford Falcon BA 22 42:09.0883 2 1:52.0439
14 18 Westpoint Racing Glenn Seton Ford Falcon BA 22 42:10.8145 22 1:51.7207
15 88 Team Betta Electrical Steve Ellery Ford Falcon BA 22 42:16.7125 14 1:51.5968
16 33 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Cameron McConville Holden Commodore VZ 22 42:17.6313 14 1:51.9920
17 67 Sirromet-Life Style Wine Paul Morris Holden Commodore VZ 22 42:17.9571 18 1:51.5726
18 168 Team Dynamik Simon Wills Holden Commodore VZ 22 42:22.5536 4 1:52.4141
19 7 Autobarn Racing Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VZ 22 42:29.2427 13 1:52.1799
20 50 Super Cheap Auto Racing Paul Weel Holden Commodore VZ 22 42:31.0990 10 1:51.8810
21 10 Larkham Orrcon Racing Jason Bargwanna Ford Falcon BA 22 42:35.4557 4 1:52.7581
22 12 Team BOC John Bowe Ford Falcon BA 22 42:36.2529 9 1:52.6226
23 5 Ford Performance Racing Greg Ritter Ford Falcon BA 22 42:36.4207 17 1:51.6017
24 8 WPS Racing Craig Baird Ford Falcon BA 22 42:37.0518 9 1:52.6912
25 21 Team BOC Brad Jones Ford Falcon BA 22 42:38.4551 13 1:52.5257
26 34 Repco Valvoline Cummins Team Andrew Jones Holden Commodore VZ 22 42:40.7437 18 1:52.8668
27 52 Fujitsu Racing Matthew White Ford Falcon BA 22 42:50.1210 16 1:51.6091
28 75 Toll Racing Anthony Tratt Holden Commodore VY 19 43:25.3037 17 1:53.0867
DNF 48 WPS David Besnard Ford Falcon BA 12 43:37.5571 11 1:51.5595
DNF 20 Larkham Orrcon Racing Mark Winterbottom Ford Falcon BA 7 13:35.5283 4 1:53.4212
DNF 328 WOW Sight & Sound Max Wilson Holden Commodore VZ 6 11:39.0294 4 1:52.5979
DNF 15 Team Buick Rick Kelly Holden Commodore VZ 2 4:44.8909 1 2:12.5907

[XU-123]

Did Skaifey blow the start again ?

[wayno]

Originally posted by XU-123
Did Skaifey blow the start again ?

Asking myself the same question. Guess I'll just have to wait for tomorrow.

[Kiwiracing]

I reckon, bummer not having any spies at the circuit I wonder if Admin has heard from Mrs Admin?

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[aussie_hoon]

bigpond coverage was really good toay - they showed the race in the exact state it will be shown tomorrow, not the usual limitted number of cars carrying cameras which is all bigpond has rights too.

Skaife didnt have the best start but only lost 1 spot to richards, front spoiler damage from a tyre bundle/ or richards car later lengthened skaifes pit-stop to over 7 seconds. Came out behind ambrose, who then later screwed up and locked up, skaife got by, lowndes then later pulled one of the best overtaking moves in a long time on ambrose. The highlight was then lowndes on skaife. Lowdnes gave skaife a bit of a tap which resulted in a hairy moment for skaife but positions held on from there to the end. Can guarantee if it was ambrose making the contact with skaife in lowndes position, skaife would not be where he is. But good racing between the two.

[Brutesutes]

Originally posted by XU-123
Did Skaifey blow the start again ? not unless that dick head in the number 1 ran in to him again

[wayno]

Originally posted by aussie_hoon
bigpond coverage was really good toay - they showed the race in the exact state it will be shown tomorrow, not the usual limitted number of cars carrying cameras which is all bigpond has rights too.

Skaife didnt have the best start but only lost 1 spot to richards, front spoiler damage from a tyre bundle/ or richards car later lengthened skaifes pit-stop to over 7 seconds. Came out behind ambrose, who then later screwed up and locked up, skaife got by, lowndes then later pulled one of the best overtaking moves in a long time on ambrose. The highlight was then lowndes on skaife. Lowdnes gave skaife a bit of a tap which resulted in a hairy moment for skaife but positions held on from there to the end. Can guarantee if it was ambrose making the contact with skaife in lowndes position, skaife would not be where he is. But good racing between the two.

Thanks for that mate. Sounds like the race was well worth watching so have set the video as I'm at work until three. Hope tomorrow's racing is just as good.

[VXfan]

HRT 1 and 3 !! Now we're talking:D

[xtreem2001]

Official crowd number for the day was 30,000. Not bad. The AFL game between Carlton (bottom) and Lions was 37,000. Wonder if this figure is anywhere near what AVESCO had pencilled in AND if they will lose money on the whole show.

Meanwhile Kelly Jnr is doing a great job as the crowd favourite. Handling problems in qualifying and a slipping clutch in the race. Kinda makes it a bit clearer as to why K-Mart pulled the pin. Rumour has it they were concerned that without Murphy onboard the team may struggle. It would appear their fears have been confirmed. One wonders if the young Kelly would actually be in a V8 without family support. The young fella has a long way to go and without the expertise of Murphy in the team I reckon it could be a long hard road.

Good to see his older brother has stood up and is prepared to show both SBR and HRT he is a driver worth having on board. I admire Todd's efforts as he strikes me as the sort of guy that wants to succeed despite the family involvement which is a lot more than can be said for the younger Kelly.

[wayno]

Todd really needed a good result. Let's just hope that he can keep it up for the rest of the week end.
He really needs to prove himself as a top line driver in this series and do it consistently. I feel if James Courtney is a success at Bathurst this year and decides to come home then HRT will pull out all stops to get him and Todd will be looking for a new drive in 2006 or (more probably) 2007.
James Courtney will be the next big thing in V8 Supercars.

[bernoo]

Originally posted by hrtman2
not unless that dick head in the number 1 ran in to him again
Some people just have to keep it going:rolleyes: Speaking of dickheads.......I saw a tshirt the other day that had on it........HOLDENS WERE INVENTED TO KEEP DICKHEADS OUT OF FORDS!:D

[brchi17]

Originally posted by kiwiracing
Huh I think you guys need to read the bottom of page one of this thread....

Darin, on my pc this thread hasn't even made it to page 2 yet, so some could be confused as to where you are talking about :D

Originally posted by wayno
.....I feel if James Courtney is a success at Bathurst this year and decides to come home then HRT will pull out all stops to get him and Todd will be looking for a new drive in 2006 or (more probably) 2007.......

The way some people are writing about this you could confused for thinking that it was a done deal and that Kelly will only be keep the seat warm until he's able to commit to the series full time.....:D

cheers.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by xtreem2001
Official crowd number for the day was 30,000. Not bad. The AFL game between Carlton (bottom) and Lions was 37,000. Wonder if this figure is anywhere near what AVESCO had pencilled in AND if they will lose money on the whole show.....

From memory the organisers had budgeted upon 50,000 turning up, but it's never been said if that was a total over the weekend or as I suspect, a daily attendance figure.

I wonder how many of the 30,000 are Aussies who have flown in to watch the racing ??? I mean if there’s say 10,000 Aussies there then it’s really an artificial audience figure as it could suggested that considering the population there that the local are really not interested.

I also think to be fair we shouldn't compare this to the AFL as it's being played in its local environment where as the V8's are in foreign territory.

cheers. :)

[wayno]

Originally posted by bernoo
Some people just have to keep it going:rolleyes: Speaking of dickheads.......I saw a tshirt the other day that had on it........HOLDENS WERE INVENTED TO KEEP DICKHEADS OUT OF FORDS!:D

Take your own advice and get over it. I think this tit for tat garbage is just annoying now.

[bernoo]

:D

[Kiwiracing]

Originally posted by brchi17
Darin, on my pc this thread hasn't even made it to page 2 yet, so some could be confused as to where you are talking about



cheers.

Brad I've heard size doesn't matter:p :D

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Kiwiracing
Brad I've heard size doesn't matter

yeah, but apparently it's a very good advantage :D !!!

[TBVX05]

Race 2:

Skaife
Richards
T Kelly
Ambrose
Radisich
Ingall

Its panning out to be a great weekend for HRT and about time too!

:cool:

[craigrobbo]

Has anyone else noticed how behind the www.v8supercars.com.au website is?

Race 2 has already been shown on tv, and the results haven't yet been updated on the site, nearly two hours after it finished.

It will be interesting to see if Race 3 is shown live here, with it starting at 3.30pm Sydney time this afternoon.

By the way.......... GO HRT!!!!

[wayno]

The V8 Supercar site is a joke. It seems that if you don't want to pay then you don't matter. :mad:

[VXfan]

Very true Wayno,we are halfway thru race 3 and still no race 2 results on their website!
Black flags for Ambrose and Skaife I see,both fair calls too I reckon.
Go Todd Kelly!!!!Hope he proves me very wrong as I have bagged him in the past.

[TBVX05]

Podium:

T Kelly
S Richards
P Radisich

Rado Watches fastest lap:

Mark Skaife.

HRT back on top!


Stuff the website, just watch it on tv!

:cool:

[Kiwiracing]

Yeah ha TKR, congrats to the Rat and TKR, been a while coming but great to see them on the podium!

I enjoyed the round, thought a couple of times the cars looked a little lost on such a big circuit, wouldn't mind being there for the atmosphere.

Finshline out the window:(

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[wayno]

That was really good fun. Great to see the cars race on a circuit with a bit of space for once. Also, I think the long straights improve the racing as the sharp braking areas give real over taking places.
Some awesome efforts. Todd did a great job as did Steven. Radisich was the hilite for me, but he could have stayed for the podium presentation instead of doing the Snagglepuss "exit, stage left" thing.
Drive throughs were well warranted and Mark Skaife needs to have a good hard look at himself. His starts were ALL pathetic and his troubles were all of his own making. He had the fastest thing on the circuit and he just threw it away again!
In car shots were interesting as it was incredible how much short shifting and part throttle were used. With those straights I thought the 40% full throttle for a lap was weird.
Great meet for the series from my point of view. It will be interesting to see how the locals react to it.

[james]

No TV coverage here will get to see it 11.30 tonight will be worth the wait, good to see the Red side take all the podium spots:D

[wayno]

There was one problem with the circuit that I thought needed addressing, be interesting to see what others think.
I feel the pit lane entrance is all wrong for V8's. The pit lane entry speed is faster for a car entering pit lane than for one going around the corner. In f1 with shorter braking distances this was not a problem, but for our cars I feel it was.
Skaife got caught out by this to his and Russell's detriment. No other track I can recall really has this problem and I feel it is one that needs to be addresed.
Just an opinion of course.

[Malik]

personal thoughts...

they need to do something about that drainage thing that got Murph's airbourne...

they also need to do something about the pit lane entry as wayno said because that is accidents waiting to happen after seeing what happened to ingall and skaifey...

well warranted drive through's, although I think skaifey got unlucky to hit ingall he was in the wrong according to the rules so fair enough..

but what was ambrose thinking in the pits... dunno how big he thinks that car is but he was never gonna make it out before richards... he might have well called up the stewards and BEGGED for the drive through for that....

anyways.. seemed an interesting weekend overall... hopefully they will definately fix the pit entry for next year.

I have to agree with wayno though... skaifey really needs to practice his starts more... that was a pretty sad effort overall... he just bogs it and gets swamped...

[ferrari fan]

Originally posted by Malik
personal thoughts...

they need to do something about that drainage thing that got Murph's airbourne...

they also need to do something about the pit lane entry as wayno said because that is accidents waiting to happen after seeing what happened to ingall and skaifey...

well warranted drive through's, although I think skaifey got unlucky to hit ingall he was in the wrong according to the rules so fair enough..

but what was ambrose thinking in the pits... dunno how big he thinks that car is but he was never gonna make it out before richards... he might have well called up the stewards and BEGGED for the drive through for that....

anyways.. seemed an interesting weekend overall... hopefully they will definately fix the pit entry for next year.

I have to agree with wayno though... skaifey really needs to practice his starts more... that was a pretty sad effort overall... he just bogs it and gets swamped...

Maybe it is time for two NEW drivers in HRT (Holden Ramming Team).
The man with the nose starts to be on the .....
Ingall was hammered out of the points and it warants a MUCH bigger penalty!
:mad:

[roboneill]

Originally posted by hrtman2
not unless that dick head in the number 1 ran in to him again

no he is just useless at the starts and he is the same D*%K head that ploughed into ingall again...

[roboneill]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
Maybe it is time for two NEW drivers in HRT (Holden Ramming Team).
The man with the nose starts to be on the .....
Ingall was hammered out of the points and it warants a MUCH bigger penalty!
:mad:

i agree if you are going to dock Ambrose 25 points for barbagello then you would ahve to be consistant and do the same for skaife on the one...

[Mux]

Are you serious? Like others have said, its the track layout that caught skaife and ingall out. I did feel sorry for ingall as he was certainly the innocent party, however Skaife was not aware Ingall was pitting and then next thing Ingall is hard on the breaks, skaife has nowhere to go. I think that was purely a racing incident, and skaife got what he deserved. No more, no less!

Sorry, change what i said there...pit entry faster than corner, skaife going into pits. I got muddled up.

[roboneill]

C'mon Mux...alot of others managed to get into Pit lane while others were turing the corner. I dont think anyone is accusing him of deliberately doing it, but penalties have to be consistant and he did the same thing to Ingall at EC...
Ambrose got the extra penalty at Perth for doing the same as in NZ...

[Mux]

There is nothing like this on Australian tracks, it cannot be compared.

On another note, i think Marcos should get a monetary fine for putting those two guys in pitlane in danger, that was one of the stupidest things i've ever seen, he is such a rebel! He thinks he always knows best, you could clearly hear over the radio his team ordering him to wait! Fine him!

[wayno]

Originally posted by Mux
There is nothing like this on Australian tracks, it cannot be compared.



That is exactly my point. Iv'e just been going through pit entry points in my head for our tracks and none put the drivers in that situation.
It needs to be addressed.

[Mux]

Also, i think it's time for ALL of you people who bashed and *****ed about Todd Kelly in recent threads, saying how hopeless he is to EAT YOUR WORDS!

I'd also like to congratulate HRT for being the first team to get to 50 round wins and to do it with the inugural Shanghai Round win! Doesn't get any better than that!!

[Kenseth17]

Congratulations to TKelly on a great win and also to The Rat for a great driving result.
It amazes me however that some people are quick to talk about TKelly losing his drive and not the owner of HRT in car 2.The only wins HRT have from the past season and a half have come from the toddler and he is showing signs of real improvement.
This weekend has shown that M Skaife has to have a long hard look at himself and make some hard decisions coming up.Three stuffed starts (again!) and the mis judgement with Rusty have added to his dramatic drop off from the driver we saw after 2003.He had by far the quickest car and had everything going for himself only to pull defeat from the jaws of victory.
That monkey is getting to a monumental size.
As for The Toddler, it will help on his resume should he apply for the Pirtek drive come season's end, which seems almost likely.

The China event was terriffic overall and it made me proud to be an Aussie V8 supercar supporter.Congratulations to all involved.
:)

[Dingo]

Big kudos to Radisich and Whincup on their respective results, especially young Jamie who must have felt horrible after his 2003 season. Hopefully this will be the thing he needs to kick on this season.

[Kiwiracing]

I cannot believe the damage to (I think) Winterbottoms car that grill did, he came to within an inch of being very seriously injured, the car sure as hell was.

I also cannot believe a circuit of that calibre could have a grill like that at the edge of the track, image if that had been an F1 that hit it, it would have been ripped down the middle - the driver included!

Scary stuff and very expensive, let alone the safety factor.

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[athol]

Originally posted by Kiwiracing
I cannot believe the damage to (I think) Winterbottoms car that grill did, he came to within an inch of being very seriously injured, the car sure as hell was.

I also cannot believe a circuit of that calibre could have a grill like that at the edge of the track, image if that had been an F1 that hit it, it would have been ripped down the middle - the driver included!

Scary stuff and very expensive, let alone the safety factor.

Cheers
Kiwiracing

He came very close to being a eunich.

Athol.

[Dingo]

Originally posted by wayno
That is exactly my point. Iv'e just been going through pit entry points in my head for our tracks and none put the drivers in that situation.
It needs to be addressed.
Adelaide would come close, there's been a couple of near-misses from memory...

[inter]

how unluky is seton, just when a good result was beconing he got taken out.

inter:mad:

[wayno]

Saw the damage to Winterbottom's car in the Herald Sun today. Wow! I didn't realise it was that bad. He's a very lucky boy!
Very quiet at work so I did some maths with worst round dropped. It's getting tight at the top!

1. Marcos Ambrose 683
2. Russell Ingall 673
3. Steven Richards 666
4. Todd Kelly 608
5. Mark Skaife 600
6. Craig Lowndes 554
7. Greg Murphy 542
8. Paul Radisich 535
9. Steven Johnson 511
10. John Bowe 500

[wayno]

Sorry, I've short changed Ambrose. He should be on 708 points.
This scoring system is sh*t!

[V8SS]

Its been said before but I'll say it again. Well done to Team Kiwi and Paul Radisich. Great to see this small team taking it to the big boys. First ever podium in TKR's history.
The Rat is a definite chance for a top 10 Championship placing at the end of the year.

[KiwiRallyFan]

T Kelly, S Richards, P Radisich, J Whincup, M Wilson.

I bet not many people would have picked that combination for Finishline. I know I got it totally wrong and scored the standard 5 points. Anyone do any better?

[brchi17]

Well I must say that I've been eating my words as I was really impressed with the racing I saw yesterday afternoon. I've been pretty vocal and rather anti-China but I thought it was one of the best rounds I've seen in a very long time.

I was pretty impressed with the track and the unique nature of its corners really demonstrated that it's a driver’s track and funnily enough, the better drivers all rose to the top. There has been plenty of people singing their praises for the Rat and such performance demonstrate just how close the series is with TKR proving that with a level playing field (i.e. no previous track data) anyone can rise to the top.

I think Skaife and Ingall were rather unlucky as like others have said I too believe the unique nature of the pit entrance caught out Mark, but then again was Russell coming in that at lap or was he continuing ???

I thought it was said that Russ was coming in and if that was he case, then perhaps he might have played a bigger part in the incident by slowing down so much. However the following driver also has to show due care and Skaife didn’t. My view I felt that it was a racing incident, but when you hit someone from behind you're always going to get into penalised for it.

As for Marcos, I found it strange that while he did not want to pit (during race 3), that he followed instructions and I can’t understand why when exiting his pit bay he could show simular restraint. His actions placed the officials in a very dangerous position and I would go as far as say as, he should have been excluded from the race for it. A very tough stance I know, but considering they award a drive-thru penalty when a wheel nut enters the fast lane, the penalty would befit the crime.

I must say that the move Lowndes made on Ambrose at the end of the long back straight was a real classic. It appeared that CL sucked in Marcos into zigging when he should have zagged. This look liked the CL of old and something we haven’t seen since he moved to the blue oval. It was also interesting to witness the way Marcos drove when following others as it appears that perhaps he is starting to get a little worried about the competitiveness of competition ???

As for Todd, I doubt there has been a better time in his career for such a great performance and just maybe this might be the start of him securing his spot at HRT for 2006 ???

The only negative I can say (apart from both DJR cars being used as brake markers along the back straight) is the crap we had to sit through before the start of race 3. It was 20minutes of rubbish I could have done without. The lack of subtitles when they were speaking in Chinese was a real classic, good to see AVESCO were catering for their Australian public, NOT !!!

cheers. :)

[BATHURSTFAN]

With the Ambrose pit lane incident it was largely the crews fault, in my opinion. They told him to wait way too late, the call to wait should have been given earlier.

After the comments made during the telecast about some issues within SBR it will be interesting to find out what is going on.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by BATHURSTFAN
With the Ambrose pit lane incident it was largely the crews fault, in my opinion. They told him to wait way too late, the call to wait should have been given earlier.

After the comments made during the telecast about some issues within SBR it will be interesting to find out what is going on.

Here is a quote from SBR press release dated 12/06/2005 which i thought made for interesting reading.

MARCOS AMBROSE – PIRTEK RACING
“The pit stop was a bit rushed because we were trying to get in front of the two race leaders who were also in pit lane,� said Ambrose.

“When the car dropped, which is my signal to go, we did not have enough “bleed� time to get in front of Richards and it was either hit him or hit the cone at the pit exit.

“I decided to hit the cone. I tried to re-address the situation by stopping and letting Richo and Todd Kelly by me on the exit of the pit lane, but the stewards decided I needed to pay a bigger penalty.

RUSSELL INGALL – CALTEX RACING

“We had made a great start and were just setting ourselves for the pit stop in the second race today when I felt this massive hit from behind,� said Ingall.

“I speared into the sand trap and just couldn’t get myself out. I tried to spit up the gravel and give myself some leverage, but the car was stuck on the (side) sills.

“(Mark) Skaife came down to apologise after the race, but that does not change my final result for the weekend.

“We were looking good for a solid points haul despite not being 100 per cent on top of the car for most of the weekend.

and from HRT's press release dated 12/06/2005

(On the incident with Russell Ingall)

“I thought that Russell Ingall was going to come into the pits given that it was a lap after his teammate and we were all on that schedule. I was right behind him and as we came up to the corner he braked in the usual spot but he clearly wasn’t coming into the pits and I couldn’t miss him, I tried to avoid him and couldn’t miss and spun him around and that was basically game over for us.

I went down and apologised to he and Ross and Jimmy Stone and their guys because clearly you don’t want to put someone else out like that. The drive-through penalty put us back to nowhere and that was basically the end of our day. That was not a great way to finish what has been a fantastic weekend for the Holden Racing Team.

Now you've got both sides of the story, you guys can make what you want from them.

cheers. :)

[awawaw]

great to see Seton knocked out of a great finish again........NOT

[BILLFORD1]

Seemed to be a pretty interesting turn of events overall Most of the fancied runners come out of it ok apart from the HRT lead driver what with utterly wasting three starts out of three, Ambrose only getting the same punishment as he, and bloody ''Russell the Muscle" trying to back into him on the pitlane entry road !! Perhaps it is HIS seat that HRT should raffle at the end of the season..Lately exhibiting that when the only car on the track, can turn laps fast enough to win Poles, but soon as the rest of the field lines up, seems unable to drive a frozen chook through a flyscreen door !! I now, I know I'm probably being a bit harsh but Richo for instance is 99.9% more consistant, Murph the Smurf is getting let down only by his machinery, the Rat seems to be putting in a lot of appearences up the pointy end lately & the Toddler has actually achieved more in the last 3 years without punting the rest of the field into the scrub !!!

[spoonster05]

I must say i was sceptical of the Shangai round before the weekend as well but having watched the racing it was actually a really good race.

It's good to see the Rat enjoying a comeback of sorts, it's good to see Team Kiwi Racing up the sharp end consistently as well, even if the Herald-Sun in Melbourne continues to insist he is still driving a Falcon...

It's a shame Murph is having all these dramas but he put in a good drive in the last race though.

[Martin Thomas]

I think that the track is........ Sterile??? Oh sure, its new, its big and well layed out. But, it just lacks something... The crowd seems too separated from the action and all the big flash buildings must obscure a fair bit of the track..
I dont know, is it just me or does it lack the atmosphere that is needed to want to go and not watch it on TV? A lot of people complain about the Aussie tracks but after watching the china race I prefer the "old" tracks to the ultra modern. I bet the teams enjoy the facilities, though.

One more thing... The grate poking up, how the hell does that happen??? Imagine if that happened with the bikes hooning around there :eek:
For a state of the art facility, thats a bonus busting mistake if I ever saw one...

[mick xu1]

Wow how good is this Championship going, 5 Rounds all Diff winners great to see....Good to Todd have a good weekend and Skaife was quick from the get go...shame about race 3 with Ingall, (and the right action was taken with a drive through for Skaife)

I think Wayno hit the nail on the head regarding the pit entry being on the wrong side as in Race 2 Ambrose was a whisker from cleaning up Todd on the same corner as Skaife on Ingall

Has HRT found some car speed or did they just get a handle on it better than most.... time will tell

it is good to see Skaife, Ambrose,Lowndes, Todd, Richo, Ingall all fighting for the championship..... as we have not seen the close competition for a long time

I hope in Darwin we have another winner

[wayno]

I really enjoyed the telecast. The only down side I found was "Bernie Jnr" Cochrane talking after the event. Yes it worked well, but to say Formula One, Moto GP and V8 Supercars are the only three forms of motorsport in this world smacks of arrogance and the normal abject stupidity I've come to expect from this man.

[singer]

Originally posted by wayno
I really enjoyed the telecast. The only down side I found was "Bernie Jnr" Cochrane talking after the event. Yes it worked well, but to say Formula One, Moto GP and V8 Supercars are the only three forms of motorsport in this world smacks of arrogance and the normal abject stupidity I've come to expect from this man.

What the hell is the WRC then!!!!!!!:mad: Like any Cockroache, the day will come when he'll get squashed:eek:

[mick78]

It is a shame Mr Cochrane has no regard for any other form of Motor Sport. I am old enough to remember when we had 2 litre and 3 litre tourers at Amaroo park. I can remember Sports Sedans with top name drivers. I can remember formula Fords, F5000, sports cars. I can also remember a bit of variety in touring cars - does anyone recall BMWs, Volvos, Nissans etc? He is not solely responsible for driving them out of the top league of Motor Sport, but he has played his part in making top level tourers the domain of the two tribes of red and blue and no one else. It has support now but one day it will run out of puff - one manufacturer will one day opt out. Who will be left then?

[Footy]

I believe the day will come when the V8 supercars will run out of puff and once again we the punters will lose out,but if anyone thinks that somebody with the likes of Cochrane will give a toss is sadly miss guided,Money is all that matters and when the supercars give their final gasp,Cochrane will have plenty of it.
Yea he cares about the lowley spectator,NOT .

[xtreem2001]

Any news updates on the SBR spit between Ambrose and Ingall during the qualifying in China. The body language of Ambrose after race 3 would suggest he is struggling with team decisions and was almost too quick in not blaming the team for calling him into the pits when he wanted to stay out. Crompton suggested there was a tiff between Ambrose / Ingall but that the team defused the situation very quickly. One has to imagine the line Ambrose is treading must be very wide if he hasn't crossed it yet.

Congatulations to channel 10. That effort with the podium presentations after race 3 is far and aware their worst effort yet.
A clown standing there in a bright blue racing suit, struggling to pronounce the Chinese officials names was brilliant. Skaife tried to show an interest in his watch but was left standing there like a geek as the Rat was called up. After watching Formula one and Moto GP podiums there is no way this is ever going to be a serious contender. It's all good to hold a round of the championship in a foreign country with foreign host's but, holy
S^&T Batman you wanna get the sponsors names right if you wanna get another invite.

[BILLFORD1]

Have to agree 100%...Overall, for a "First Time" in a totally foreign domain, it was pretty well passable, except for the Podium bit at the end. That was a 1st Class, Grade A, 5 Star, Spider wanking Poo Fight If ever I saw one !!! I marked that as a 1 out of 10 on my score sheet!! But then I suppose I was already cheesed off as once again we never got round to showing the full race resuts for race 3 that I saw either. A trifle more homework needed !!

[wayno]

I'd love to know the reason Radisich didn't stay around for the champagne sraying. I would have thought Team Kiwi would have wanted to milk their first ever podium for all it was worth. Was it because he was ill or embarrassed?

[b sharp]

Originally posted by wayno
I'd love to know the reason Radisich didn't stay around for the champagne sraying. I would have thought Team Kiwi would have wanted to milk their first ever podium for all it was worth. Was it because he was ill or embarrassed?

I think the food poisoning and a date with the dunny might have somthing to do with it.:D

[b sharp]

I wasn't that raped with the raceing the track provided, the cars after some laps got a bit to spaced out for my likeing, I think more cars for that size circuit would be better.

Plus the modern V8 supercar needs an LSD in the rear so thay can put at least some power down in a corner without the car haveing the massive urge to go straight ahead.
When wathing the incar shots you could see how much thay have to fether the gas, for a track of that size with the corners it has thay should have been able to fly around those corners.

[Gan88]

Originally posted by Mux
Are you serious? Like others have said, its the track layout that caught skaife out.

The track is the same for everyone. And all weekend, only one driver decided to ram another car at the pit entry.

If Skaife can't judge closing speeds, he shouldn't be behind the wheel. This is the 3rd consecutive weekend that he's been in strife and the second one running where he's had it in for an SBR car. I hope the the stewards give him a good talking to.

[V8SS]

Originally posted by wayno
I'd love to know the reason Radisich didn't stay around for the champagne spraying. I would have thought Team Kiwi would have wanted to milk their first ever podium for all it was worth. Was it because he was ill or embarrassed?

He said on the podium to Greg Rust that he was battling with food poisoning and I read on the V8Supercars website that he also had a problem with heat exhaustion and was rushed off to the medics.

[Dingo]

Originally posted by wayno
I'd love to know the reason Radisich didn't stay around for the champagne sraying. I would have thought Team Kiwi would have wanted to milk their first ever podium for all it was worth. Was it because he was ill or embarrassed?
Apparently it was all the Rat could do just to get up there and say a few words. He was taken to the medical centre straight after and put on a drip.

[wayno]

Originally posted by Dingo
Apparently it was all the Rat could do just to get up there and say a few words. He was taken to the medical centre straight after and put on a drip.

Fair enough. Probably didn't feel like a bit of bubbly then! :D

[Chriso]

Originally posted by Martin Thomas
I think that the track is........ Sterile??? Oh sure, its new, its big and well layed out. But, it just lacks something... The crowd seems too separated from the action and all the big flash buildings must obscure a fair bit of the track..

I thought the same, but was a good day out for HRT so thats something to be happy about...finaly. Well done Todd. As much as i'm a Skaife fan i hope he can get it together soon, his fault or not its been a painful season to watch.

[HRT 1-2]

Originally posted by roboneill
C'mon Mux...alot of others managed to get into Pit lane while others were turing the corner. I dont think anyone is accusing him of deliberately doing it, but penalties have to be consistant and he did the same thing to Ingall at EC...
Ambrose got the extra penalty at Perth for doing the same as in NZ...

What "same thing" did he do to Ingall at EC???

There seems to be a fare bit of MS bagging getting around and yes he needs to sort out his starts but, a win and a third for the weekend is still a good result and something most others out there would have taken at the beginning of the weekend!

Well done to Todd and yes I'm one of the guilty ones that has been questioning his results but, he was flying on the weekend.