Sydney Loses V8 Supercar Round

[clubbie]

I have been saying it since 1997, AVESCO do not care about the paying spectator. it's all got to do with TV

Sydney loses out in V8 Supercar ambitions
8/09/2005 5:29:06


Global ambitions and a hard nosed approach have ended Eastern Creek's run in the V8 Supercars.


Bahrain will take the Sydney track's place as of next November on a five year contract.


Sydney's only race will be at Oran Park.


A large television deal has been struck to expose the traditionally Australian event to the Middle-East, North Africa and the subcontinent.


AVESCO boss Tony Cochrane says they are neither short changing Sydney fans nor neglecting their main audience.


They are just being commercially sound and enforcing quality control.


Cochrane says they are committed to having ten rounds in Australia but are making sure only the best venues, which are financially rewarding, will get rounds of the championship.


He points out that they are a commercial body which has to account to the teams, and the new race opens up financial opportunities in new areas as their future has always been in a more global approach.


As for the extra travel, Cochrane believes it will actually be quicker to get the teams to Bahrain via a 747 than it is to truck equipment to Perth.

[TBVX05]

I think it is the correct decision to have three international rounds, but thats it, no more! I reckon theyve got it right for this year and for 2006.

[Moffat Fan]

Originally posted by clubbie
I have been saying it since 1997, AVESCO do not care about the paying spectator. it's all got to do with TV

What, all 16,000 over 3 days:confused:

If the "paying spectator" turned up you might of had a case.

NSW still have two rounds and when Oran Park closes Eastern Creek will host it's round.

[Leigh]

Agree with Moffat Fan...

As said on the "2005 Calendar" thread:

When only 25,000 or so turn up to Phillip Island for the Finale, expect to see the provisional status change to change of venue...and Eastern Creek could well be that venue, given its good attendance at recent Finale's...:eek:

[HRT 1-2]

It wouldn't surprise me if the attendance is down on the Sunday at PI considering they have split the racing with only two on Sunday, although with the HPDC's out on Sunday as well it will fill the gaps but, I guess it depends what other supports are on!

As I asked on the 2006 Calendar thread, where are the attendance figures publicised?

[clubbie]

Ok, Maybe I shuoud have made myself a little clearer. I agree crowd numbers at EC have not been the best and the track is crappy. I just want to see the V8s remain in AUS, not just Sydney.

[Malik]

Originally posted by clubbie

As for the extra travel, Cochrane believes it will actually be quicker to get the teams to Bahrain via a 747 than it is to truck equipment to Perth.

gee... guess which round will probably be next....

[MarkHM]

Mind you with oil nudging $70US a bbl, I suspect no-one will be able to afford to go in any case. Also the teams won't be able to afford the gas, except thse sponsored by oil companies.

Therefore the near future could well be a Shell v Mobil v Caltex v BP race. And the punters (both of them) would have ridden on bikes to get there!

[Leigh]

Originally posted by MarkHM
Mind you with oil nudging $70US a bbl, I suspect no-one will be able to afford to go in any case. Also the teams won't be able to afford the gas, except thse sponsored by oil companies.

Therefore the near future could well be a Shell v Mobil v Caltex v BP race. And the punters (both of them) would have ridden on bikes to get there!
Except all teams use the "control" fuel - Shell Optimax

[lukey73]

Leigh i think Mark means that there will only be 8 cars on track being those sponsored by Oil companies, as they are making alot of money at the moment.

Luke

[Leigh]

Originally posted by lukey73
Leigh i think Mark means that there will only be 8 cars on track being those sponsored by Oil companies, as they are making alot of money at the moment.

Luke
That would be true IF these people were the ones making all the money...but my understanding is that it is the miners making the money...

I take the point that some of the distillers also mine, but not to the same extent as Saudi Arabia et al who predominantly mine and export raw...

Cheers

[wayno]

The government isn't doing too bad out of petrol either remember.

[Leigh]

Originally posted by wayno
The government isn't doing too bad out of petrol either remember.
This one is commonly said, but a rise of 10c per litre only gives the Government an extra 1c per litre:confused:

So the recent rises net 4c per litre for the Feds...

[lukey73]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
That would be true IF these people were the ones making all the money...but my understanding is that it is the miners making the money...

I take the point that some of the distillers also mine, but not to the same extent as Saudi Arabia et al who predominantly mine and export raw...

Cheers

Not quite, Australia produces alot of its own oil. We only import a certain percentage from overseas, but is still less the our own production. The government in the early eights linked the indexation of our fuel prices with those of the world market so we would be considered as being part of the then growing global economy.

As we are part of the Global economy we are alligned with what ever happens overseas even if we could support lower prices by using the home drilled product only the government wouldnt allow it.

[Leigh]

OK, I see where you are coming from Luke...I was thinking in a global context.

[clubbie]

4C per Litre to the Feds - taht's big $$$$$$$ how amny Litres of fuel get sold in AUS per day?

[Leigh]

Originally posted by clubbie
4C per Litre to the Feds - taht's big $$$$$$$ how amny Litres of fuel get sold in AUS per day?
Small bicies compared to the additional 36c per litre that the oil producers are getting and the ~45-50c per litre that the Feds were already getting...

Working with the numbers I do, you get immune to 9 digit figures:eek:

It comes down to perspectives.

Cheers

[lukey73]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
OK, I see where you are coming from Luke...I was thinking in a global context.

Yeah i was talking local not global, its so hard to make a clear distinction these days with the way every thing is linked. Its as if we in Australia are a state of the world not country when you talk in moneytary terms. :p

[lukey73]

Originally posted by clubbie
4C per Litre to the Feds - taht's big $$$$$$$ how amny Litres of fuel get sold in AUS per day?

There was a thing on the news last night that every 1c that they would drop in Fuel excise would equal $360 million per year. Now where does all that money go ? Coz it sure as hell aint on the roads we are supposedly paying for.

GST goes to the states so imagine how they are getting, funny how states talk about excise to be reduced and Little John/ Costello talk about GST hand backs. At the end of the day we get nothing from either.

Luke

[wayno]

The money the government makes goes on ivory back scratchers, $4,000 toilet seats, free air travel for an mp's housekeepers dog, and a whole heap of other worthless ca**.

[Moffat Fan]

Originally posted by Malik
gee... guess which round will probably be next....

The contract for WA is in place for the next three years and a further 3 year option:D

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Malik
gee... guess which round will probably be next....

I was thinking along very simular lines when I read this as well :eek: !!!

Originally posted by lcfp2297
When only 25,000 or so turn up to Phillip Island for the Finale, expect to see the provisional status change to change of venue...and Eastern Creek could well be that venue, given its good attendance at recent Finale's...

This has me concerned as if the weather turns, which it could considering the time of year, it will have a big impact on attendance & we could lose the race through no fault of our own.

Is it simply a coincidence that they keep scheduling races down there during the wet season, or is it just me worrying about a conspiracy theory that isn’t there…..

cheers. :)

[Holden2003]

You have to defend the Eastern Creek round. It is one of the most dullest races, and the format was no good this year. Who wants to see 30min quialifying and 20 min shootout on sat, then 2 races on sunday? I just go to the event on Sunday. The fans had also 4 opportunities to see v8's from 2003-04. It does cost a lot to see the event. If they improved the race format to like 3 sprint races, they will get a big crowd there.

I am against Bahrain, there is no point racing there. It would make more sense to race in England or have a joint round with the DTM series in my mind. 3 International races should be the cap.

Its also about time the state governments place permanent circuits of good quality in some states. Queensland would be a good start, with that track being a shocker. This would lead to more races being retained in Australia.

[Malik]

Originally posted by Moffat Fan
The contract for WA is in place for the next three years and a further 3 year option:D

and contracts are ironclad ?


nothing stopping him breaking the contract if he sees more money to be made elsewhere...

easy as.... break contract.... pay X amount of dollars for breaking it.. take the race elsewhere and make XXX amount of dollars...

simple

[Mux]

Good luck taking away Barbagallo. We get massive crowds, this year was another record breaker, even friday was pretty packed! We get bigger crowds than many eastern states rounds, and we have a much smaller population.

Also, i was at the track last weekend and they have completely demolished the biante esses spectator area, look like they are moving it backwards. All the billboards are gone, more room. I believe the WA round is one of the strongest in the championship, great atmosphere at the track and the facilities are getting better each year.
If cockroach trys to get rid of it (unlikely) he would have a massive fight on his hands from WA, i believe!

[Leigh]

Originally posted by brchi17
Is it simply a coincidence that they keep scheduling races down there during the wet season, or is it just me worrying about a conspiracy theory that isn’t there…..

Which month does it not rain on the Island?:p

Unfortunately, the V8's don't run in January...

[Gan88]

Originally posted by Holden2003

Its also about time the state governments place permanent circuits of good quality in some states. Queensland would be a good start, with that track being a shocker. This would lead to more races being retained in Australia.

I'd rather not see my tax payer dollars wasted by any government on racing tracks. I'd rather they fix the schools, hospitals and roads first. Racing is a money generating, money driven sport. It has the ability to fund itself and should do so.

I have no problem with the fly-away rounds. I think our cars have outgrown the current Aussie circuits which are more suited to Lotus Cortinas and the like. Wouldn't it be great to see a V8SC in full song on a proper track like Sepang or Suzuka.

[Moffat Fan]

Originally posted by Malik
and contracts are ironclad ?


nothing stopping him breaking the contract if he sees more money to be made elsewhere...

easy as.... break contract.... pay X amount of dollars for breaking it.. take the race elsewhere and make XXX amount of dollars...

simple

The AVESCO contract with circuit promotors is an aperance fee for the the "V8 Circus" and a pecentage of gross gate takings ( Last year 84,000 people in WA). The more that turn up the more they make.

After the Adelaide 500 and Bathurst WA is the highest grossing round for AVESCO!

[Holden2003]

Originally posted by Gan88
Wouldn't it be great to see a V8SC in full song on a proper track like Sepang or Suzuka.

Wouldn't be even greater if that type of track was in Australia? I totally agree with spending taxpayers money on the real priorities.

I doubt we will see a track in perth, as perth is in desperate need of other entertainment venues. I think that the New Zealand govt gould build a good track, with the v8's and A1 gp series being able to race there.

Our greatest tracks are street circuits. Albert Park, Surfers and Adelaide r all proper street circuits and even our greatest circuit is technically a street circuit. Canberra was also a good quality street circuit. With street circuits being discussed in Townsville and perth at some stage, it would be good if both government and non govt resources can build a decent track with approx 40 000 seating instead of street circuits.

Street circuits are good for the economy and fans, but to develop drivers we need more Phillip Island type circuits. North Queensland from the sound of it is a huge market that is not being tapped into and could be the best place to build a circuit.

PS. The respective Govt's have done an excellent job with Bathurst and Perth, and Tasmania.

[Moffat Fan]

Originally posted by Holden2003
PS. The respective Govt's have done an excellent job with Bathurst and Perth, and Tasmania.

Barbagallo raceway is totaly owned and run by the WA Sporting Car Club. Yes a CLUB, with 1200 members and help from volountiers and sponsors.

The Government has done nothing for the track other than some assistance in the form of a one off grant to aid in the re-surfacing of the track two years ago.:mad:

[Holden2003]

Thats what I meant. For the resurfacing of the track. Also for the Bathurst upgrades and the Tasmania upgrade.