Motor racing ideal world of results.

[TBVX05]

What would be your ideal world of results from your favourite driver/s.



Heres mine:


Peter Brock would have ten Bathurst 1000 victories with a win in the 1973 race (fricken petrol!), and five touring car titles! His driving streak with HDT/HRT would be unbroken, therefore all his victories would come with the red and white cars! (He would sell his HDT operations and therefore race for HRT with the VN) He would race every Bathurst until 2004 when he retired.


Craig Lowndes would still be with HRT winning Bathurst with Mark Skaife.

SBR would still be another ordinary team!

Nigel Mansell and Damon Hill would be double world champions!

Mark Webber to win a title with Williams in the future

Dale Earnhardt would win multiple Daytona 500s!

:cool:

[fomoco04]

Dick Johnson would have won 3 more

1980 rock thrown by disgruntled holden suporter.
1990 (I think) Clips slow commodore wandering all over track
1992 Car that is deemed winner only good for scrap metal and was'nt even on track when declared winner.

[Dingo]

Originally posted by TBVX05
Peter Brock would have ten Bathurst 1000 victories with a win in the 1973 race (fricken petrol!), and five touring car titles! His driving streak with HDT/HRT would be unbroken, therefore all his victories would come with the red and white cars! (He would sell his HDT operations and therefore race for HRT with the VN) He would race every Bathurst until 2004 when he retired.
If one is going to be charitable, you can probably go a few steps further with this:

1974: Blown engine while six laps in front. Would have almost certainly held off the challenge from Goss and Forbes.
1976: Mechanical dramas put him five laps down at one point. Brock finished three laps behind the "winner" (although to be fair, Moffat would probably have won if not for engine failure).
1986: Split oil cooler cost him any chance of catching Grice. This would have been an intriguing battle in the final third of the race.
1988: Hit a tyre coming down Conrod Straight that all but destroyed the cooling system. Very unlikely that he would have held off Longhurst's Sierra, but who knows?
1990: Tyre dramas put him out of contention early in the race. Only finished a lap down...

So it's conceivable (though highly disputed) that Brock could have had as many as 15 wins in the Bathurst 1000...

[Nick Short]

Nick Short would be Porsche's top scoring driver at Le Mans, with wins in the 917, 956, 962 and GT1......

[TBVX05]

LOL, regarding Dingos post, Brock was lucky to win in 1983 and 1987 by using teammates cars, even if the rules allowed it. Also Glen Seton was unlucky not to win a couple!

[Elvis]

Lowndes and Bright still with HRT/Holden...........thanks Holden you idiots:mad:

Dale Earnhardt,Davey Allison,Kulwicki,Adam Petty,Irwin Jr would still be alive.

Indycar/CART would merge as 1 and be like the good ol days.

Juan Montoya 2003 F1 world champ......so close,yet so far.

Montoya after being F1 champ would go back to Target Chip Ganassi.

Ambrose would stay in Aussie V8s.

HRT would have a decent paintscheme.........more like 96-99.

[TBVX05]

The paint scheme looks good to me! Im glad HSV have changed theirs to look a bit different!

[Andrew]

Colin McRae would have won the 1997 World Rally Championship after being cruelly denied by 1 point.

Carlos Sainz becoming 1998 World Rally Champion after being cruelly denied by his engine lunching itself 300 metres from the end of the last stage of the last event of the entire World Championship when he was in the fourth place he needed to win the title.

McRae winning 2005 Rally Australia in a Skoda, thereby taking the marques first ever WRC win and stopping Duval from winning. :mad:

Toyota winning the 1999 Le Mans in their GT-One.

[clubbie]

Moffat would have won 1969 Bathurst - HE so easily could have.\

Moffat would have won 1983 Bathurst, as he said it took two cars to beat him.

Moffat would have won 1984 ATCC - I will never forgive Gary Willmington.

Moffat would have won 1988 Bathurst - Damn stupid new Safety Car that went too slow.

Moffat would really be the nice guy we all wished he could be.

Ford would finally repay the Moffat Family for all the wrong doings during the 1970s leaving Moffat High and Dry, by sponsoring his son's entry into the Development Series for 2006.

Someone would finally realise that cheating has been going on for years in this sport and if anyone else had finished 3rd in 1987 they would have had a snowballs chance of getting the two leading car disqualified.

[TBVX05]

I dont think so! Typical Ford complainer! :rolleyes:

[jager]

Senna would not have died at San Marino in 1994, meaning Schumacher would not be a 7 times World Champion.

[wayno]

Alan Jones to be a three time world champion. Should have won three on the trot from 1979.

[Holden2003]

Craig Lowndes to have been awarded the 2005 title, thereby letting the proper driver to win (yes, I am still pissed off with points).

[clubbie]

Excuse me TBVX wernt you he one who started this thread with wild ideas of the perfect world.

My bad for replying to one of your posts as I usually avoid them

[Esses]

Originally posted by clubbie
Moffat would have won 1969 Bathurst - HE so easily could have.\

Moffat would have won 1983 Bathurst, as he said it took two cars to beat him.

Moffat would have won 1984 ATCC - I will never forgive Gary Willmington.

Moffat would have won 1988 Bathurst - Damn stupid new Safety Car that went too slow.

Moffat would really be the nice guy we all wished he could be.

Ford would finally repay the Moffat Family for all the wrong doings during the 1970s leaving Moffat High and Dry, by sponsoring his son's entry into the Development Series for 2006.

Someone would finally realise that cheating has been going on for years in this sport and if anyone else had finished 3rd in 1987 they would have had a snowballs chance of getting the two leading car disqualified.

Ummmmmm, Clubbie. It wasn't Brock who protested. Virtually EVERYONE else in the top 10 did, but not Brock. He was just the beneficiary.:)

[Chev_350]

Originally posted by TBVX05

Dale Earnhardt would win multiple Daytona 500s!


not only that but 8 Winston Cups

and he and Dale Jr would be an unstoppable team at the plate tracks

[TBVX05]

Originally posted by clubbie
Excuse me TBVX wernt you he one who started this thread with wild ideas of the perfect world.

My bad for replying to one of your posts as I usually avoid them



You can reply whenever you want and voice your opinion but it doesnt mean I agree with your last sentence in your first post!

[Nick Short]

Every race, championship and series would have been won by GM products, even a Barina winning the WRC, a Camira the ATCC, and a Corvette voted the world's best sports car.......;)

[TBVX05]

Yeah that sounds good to me, except the Astra would be WRC champ, and the Camira wouldnt be in existance! :cool:

[Andrew]

Originally posted by TBVX05
Yeah that sounds good to me, except the Astra would be WRC champ, and the Camira wouldnt be in existance! :cool:

***sigh*** :rolleyes:

[TBVX05]

Another ideal for me is the the Sierra and the GTR couldnt race because they had forced induction! At least Holden didnt search overseas for their race cars. I suppose Ford had to because they only had dinosaurs to consider!

[VXfan]

My ideal would have been the continuation of Group A and see if someone could have come up with a car worthy of beating the mighty Nissan GTR instead of whining about it and changing the rules to exclude it!:mad:

[Nick Short]

I seem to remember the Walkinshaw Commodores being air freighted in from Kidlington, UK, where they'd been built and prepared......but apart from that Holden have clearly never had any help from "overseas"......

I would also like the world sports car championship to have been won by whatever the wife of General Motors' MD was driving. And for their toaster to have won a design award, and for every other manufacturer to have gone out of business.....

[AmonFan]

The first Aussie VL TWR was raced at Oran Park, may have even beaten Tom to it from mem... Same man who was first man to debut the XD Falcon and Jag XJS in Aussie Grp A trim;)

[Nick Short]

I believe that all the early (1987/8) race cars were still built at TWR at Station Lane in Kidlington, but later on people like Larry Perkins got lightweight panels and built their own cars in Oz. I could be mistaken though!

[AmonFan]

Not sure Nick, as the privateers were updated VK's in some cases.....

[TBVX05]

In all cases Nick should know because he lives there!

[AmonFan]

Ok well i wasnt aware Brocks VK was built in the UK but i just learnt something ;)

[Nick Short]

I should have made it clear I meant the early Walkinshaw VL race cars! I'm surprised that TWR would release panels to reclothe VKs so early in the car's lifespan. One thing is certain though - the "works" cars were UK-built.

[AmonFan]

Nick, there is no doubt on that, i was being sarcastic :P. Having had associations with privateers though i can tell you that many of the privateer teams just used either VL or VK cars and updated them. The Everalst car for example was a perkins built car in origianl VL carby spec. Was then updated to TWR spec as were most the aussie cars. The everlast car then raced many bathursts and like many of the VL's had its gear transferred into a VP and became the basis of Chris Smerdons first full on V8 Supercar...

Willmington's car was the first TWR based car to run in Oz though, in the Pepsi 250 at Oran Park in 88. Having said that it was'nt a flash piece of machinery, lol....

[Esses]

Originally posted by Nick Short
I believe that all the early (1987/8) race cars were still built at TWR at Station Lane in Kidlington, but later on people like Larry Perkins got lightweight panels and built their own cars in Oz. I could be mistaken though!

Didn't one of these "specials" completely drop it's bum on the track at it's first Bathurst? Built REAL strong, chaps. Apart from that, as I understand it, LP basically inherited Brock's old Carby VL's. I could be wrong, but didn't at least one of them become an early HSV/Castrol Commodore? Correct me if I'm wrong, please.:)

[REDVRSS]

not a result but....


Calder PArk Thunderdome a round of the Winston/Nextel Cup :D

[TBVX05]

Yeah I wouldnt mind Nascar coming back to AUS, played live on TV like the V8s!:D

[SammyHagar]

Jim Richards would`ve won the 1998 BOC Gases Supertouring Championship.
And in 1999 Starion Enterprises would`ve had enough money to have kept Patrick Watts racing there peugeot 406, so patrick could have given paul morris a real run for his money and maybe even win the championship.

[Andrew]

Originally posted by VXfan
My ideal would have been the continuation of Group A and see if someone could have come up with a car worthy of beating the mighty Nissan GTR instead of whining about it and changing the rules to exclude it!:mad:

I feel the same Tony, but wasn't going to say it.
If Ford, Holden and BMW had risen to the challenge and built cars that could've competed against the GT-R, imagine the amazing Group A cars that would have come along! And the really brilliant thing is, the car buying public could have been given the opportunity to buy the road-going homologation versions. Seemed like a win-win situation gone begging.... :mad:

[Nick Short]

I was trying to figure how Ford were "dinosaurs" in someone's opinion, but when the Ford Sierra RS500 came along with that zippy space-age technology of "forced induction" that same person objected and thought that only carb V8s should have been allowed......

[Dingo]

Originally posted by Nick Short
I was trying to figure how Ford were "dinosaurs" in someone's opinion, but when the Ford Sierra RS500 came along with that zippy space-age technology of "forced induction" that same person objected and thought that only carb V8s should have been allowed......
Nick, when you've got someone so completely close-minded as to oppose the notion of anything competing that isn't from their blessed stable of automotive production, well then, why even bother trying to argue with them?

No one would be able to tell the difference between yourself and the fool you are arguing with...

[TBVX05]

Originally posted by Nick Short
I was trying to figure how Ford were "dinosaurs" in someone's opinion, but when the Ford Sierra RS500 came along with that zippy space-age technology of "forced induction" that same person objected and thought that only carb V8s should have been allowed......


Im not objecting to the dinosaurs racing at all, I just call them that because thats what Barry Sheene called them on a tv add LOL! (thats what they look like) They wouldnt of won anything anyway because they didnt have V8s thats why they brang the Sierra. Im not objecting to the Sierra and GTR racing either, I just hated them!

[szwadiak100]

While we are talking about Bathursts that Brock could have won, what about 1985? He was hunting down the leading Jaguar when his timing chain broke. He was also driving with no windscreens.

My ultimate wish though would be that Ayrton Senna would not have been killed at Imola in '94 and gone on to win many more world titles.

[Esses]

Originally posted by VXfan
My ideal would have been the continuation of Group A and see if someone could have come up with a car worthy of beating the mighty Nissan GTR instead of whining about it and changing the rules to exclude it!:mad:

My ideal would've been to not allow those things & the Sierras in the first place. But for Holden, AUSTRALIAN Race Cars would've gone the Dinosaur way right then. I know, I know, WTCC & all that but the gradual decline of "International" Group A in this country plus the spiralling costs rang the death-knell of Group A.
Hence V8SC's! Look at the crowds these days.

And, yes. I have a Sierra AND a Richards/Skaife Skyline in my collection. Why? Because they're part of history, like the P76 & deserve representation.

[Esses]

Originally posted by szwadiak100
While we are talking about Bathursts that Brock could have won, what about 1985? He was hunting down the leading Jaguar when his timing chain broke. He was also driving with no windscreens.

My ultimate wish though would be that Ayrton Senna would not have been killed at Imola in '94 and gone on to win many more world titles.

Yes, except that ALL the Holden Teams knew that the Timing-Chain was a weak spot (single-row rather than Group C double-row) & were nursing them. Brock took the decision to go for broke rather than 3rd & well, it broke! Also, he was catching Goss's Jag because his seat mounts had broken & he was sliding more than the cars bum around!:D

[wayno]

This is a bit of a furphy about Brock at Bathurst in 85. Brock did indeed pass the BMW on Conrod straight, but from memory the BMW got back past him within half a lap (it just wasn't on the telecast). Also, the Jag had upped its pace in relation to the Brock challenge.
I could be wrong, but third was as good as he was probably going to do that day.

[SWRT]

Allowing the Texico Sierras to keep thier 1-2,a 10th anninversry of Moffats 1-2, Ford saying in Motorsport post 73, the supercars to race at bathurst in 72, who know what the result could have been???,and the devil racer winning the championship & Bathurst hattrick from 03-05.

[Nick Short]

Richard Burns to get one more WRC title.

[brchi17]

That driver at the race to the sky to keep left in his road car so that he would have avoided the late great Possum :rolleyes:

[wayno]

Originally posted by brchi17
That driver at the race to the sky to keep left in his road car so that he would have avoided the late great Possum :rolleyes:

Amen to that!

[Goodwrench3]

Originally posted by REDVRSS
not a result but....


Calder PArk Thunderdome a round of the Winston/Nextel Cup :D

Now THAT would have been something to see back in '88/'89! I haven't given it any thought since then, but what a show it would have been - Dale Earnhardt, Darrell Waltrip, Rusty Wallace, Bill Elliott, Davey Allison, Mark Martin, Terry Labonte, Ricky Rudd. And Richard Petty of course! All in Melbourne - ah, the stuff dreams are made of!!!

[wayno]

Originally posted by Goodwrench3
Now THAT would have been something to see back in '88/'89! I haven't given it any thought since then, but what a show it would have been - Dale Earnhardt, Darrell Waltrip, Rusty Wallace, Bill Elliott, Davey Allison, Mark Martin, Terry Labonte, Ricky Rudd. And Richard Petty of course! All in Melbourne - ah, the stuff dreams are made of!!!

They did try, but NASCAR wasn't interested. After that the xmas race was cut in distance and Bob stopped bringing the yanks out. NASCAR here died after that.
I was doing all Calders advertising photography at the time and lnow this for a fact.

[Chev_350]

they need to tear down the Thunder Dome and build something like Bristol or Richmond and then get someone to throw a lotta cash Brian France's way....heck I'd be happy if only the Busch cars or the Trucks came.

[TBVX05]

Yeah the supercars were to be allowed to race in the early 70s (LJ V8, Phase4 and RT V8)

[k1w1taxi]

Amen on the Possum wish.

And 1 Car per driver in 83 at Bathurst OH the Joy First Jappa at LM AND Bathurst.

Jochen Mass to have missed that Practice session at Belgium in 82.

Sheckters gearbox to have broken at Monza in 79 (fulfilling the fervant wish of the driver faithfully glued to the back of it )

Someone to have bulldozed the marhals post at Goodwood in early 70.

Chris Amon to have won just 1 GP.

Vatanen to have avoided the BIG accident in Argentina in 85

To have been live at Le Mans in 1991. I would have happily died the next day.

Barry Featherstone to have won just one of the three runoff at NZ Stock car champs.

Cheers
Lee

[wayno]

Jody deserved his world championship. I've never rated Villeneuve that highly. It's ok to be fast, but a truly great driver is MUCH more than that. Gilles simply wasn't.
Jim Clark to have skipped that stupid f2 race at Hockenheim in 1968, or Jochen Rindt to have told Colin Chapman to get stuffed over qualifying the Lotus 72 without wings at Monza in 1970.
I'm not a big fan of the Lotus founder. He cost the world quite a few great drivers in my opinion.

[Andrew]

Mercedes to not have entered the 1955 (I think) Le Mans.
It would have saved the lives of alot of people.

[wayno]

Originally posted by Andrew
Mercedes to not have entered the 1955 (I think) Le Mans.
It would have saved the lives of alot of people.

82 dead. 76 injured. A very tragic day. Not only for lives lost, but because it cost us the involvement of Mercedes Benz in motorsport for a long time.
Opinons seem to suggest Mike Hawthorn overtook Lance Macklin and then slowed to pit, causing Macklin to veer left in the Austin-Healy. Levegh coming up behind fast in the Mercedes had nowhere to go. He braked hard and raised his hand, warning Fangio behind, but there was nothing he could do to save himself. Fangio credits Levegh's gesture with saving his life.
The sloped back of the Healy acted like a ramp, launching Levegh's car in to the air and in to the spectator enclosure.

More info;
here (http://members.aol.com/healeypics/lemans.html)

[TBVX05]

Nigel Mansell not have a blown tyre in Adelaide 1986 which cost him the championship, and Damon Hill not to have been bumped by clown Schumacher in 1994 or 1995 which cost him the championship aswell!

[brchi17]

Originally posted by TBVX05
Nigel Mansell not have a blown tyre in Adelaide 1986 which cost him the championship, and Damon Hill not to have been bumped by clown Schumacher in 1994 or 1995 which cost him the championship aswell!

Better still, Damon Hill never to have made it to F1 :rolleyes: !!!

[Mickcals]

Glenn Seton would have won Bathurst in 1995 rather then have his engine go.

[k1w1taxi]

Originally posted by wayno
Jody deserved his world championship. I've never rated Villeneuve that highly. It's ok to be fast, but a truly great driver is MUCH more than that. Gilles simply wasn't.
Jody may well have deserved his championship that year, but it was also Gilles last competitive car until 82, and I defy even Schumacher to have won two GPs in the 81 126CK. As for not rating his skill I would rather watch a seasons highlights of Gilles than of several other World Champions (DH for one)
Jim Clark to have skipped that stupid f2 race at Hockenheim in 1968, or Jochen Rindt to have told Colin Chapman to get stuffed over qualifying the Lotus 72 without wings at Monza in 1970.
I'm not a big fan of the Lotus founder. He cost the world quite a few great drivers in my opinion.

Agree with the Clark comment. However CC had along way to go to catch Ferrari in that regard and many of Ferraris were purely down to internal politics. Very Shabby.

Cheers
Lee

[jager]

Damon Hill not to have been bumped by clown Schumacher in 1994 which cost him the championship aswell!

Fine, but is Senna hadn't died (was also '94) would Hill have even been in with a shot at the title ?