World Champions Collection

[Leigh]

I have hit a dilemma with my (new) World Champions collection...all advice will be much appreciated...

1954 was one of the years for Fangio...dilemma, Biante have two MB W196's listed...which is the ONE to get???

British GP (http://www.biante.com.au/product_17458.htm) OR Italian GP (http://www.biante.com.au/product_17410.htm) OR is there another that is better?

Similarly, there are 3 1969 Matra Fords of Jackie Stewart listed...

#17 with a "modern type" rear wing (http://www.biante.com.au/products.htm?action=deta ils&id=4384) OR #2 with a "built-in" rear wing (http://www.biante.com.au/products.htm?action=deta ils&id=4362) OR #7 with a "high" wing (http://www.biante.com.au/products.htm?action=deta ils&id=4360)

Let me know your thoughts...

Also any advice on which 1:43 models are the best to get for other years...

Thanks

[VXfan]

I have started a collection of these too Leigh.Wayno is 'the man' to steer u in the right direction here.he did tell me when u have a situation like with the 3 Stewart cars to get a winning car so I got the #7 high wing as he won that GP.
I only have a few of these World Champion 1/43's so far and I will add to it every now and then(it's not a priority collection of mine)
Here are mine anyway.(ok,the Mansell 1986 didn't win but should have!)
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/vxfan/Formula %201/
All the best with this mate,let us know how u go.
Cheers,
Tony.

[brchi17]

......Wayno is 'the man' to steer u in the right direction here.he did tell me when u have a situation like with the 3 Stewart cars to get a winning car so I got the #7 high wing as he won that GP......

Yeah but the thing is now he is broading his theme & going back & purchasing all of the others now, so he'd possibly tell you to get all of them :D LOL !!!

cheers. :)

[KiwiRallyFan]

I don't have a World Champions collection, however if it was me, I'd go for the two GP winners (the Fangio Italian GP, and the Stewart Spanish GP 'high-wing' version), as presumably these GP wins were an important part of each driver becoming World Champion.

[BB]

Leigh I have only gone for the cars I liked. The Mercedes W196 Streamliner for me is not an F1 car so I went for the open wheel versions. It also did not prove very successful except on the high speed circuits. Jackie Sewart has 3 versions on the Matra MS80 but I opted for the high wing Spanish GP version because it typified the growth in Aero.
Same with the Tyrrell 003 & 006. I bought what I liked. There are other instances where models have livery changes during the year. If YOU like it...buy it. If you can afford it ...buy them all

[wayno]

Leigh, the Spanish gp car is the most accurate model of the three from pictures I have of these cars. It also won the race. The Monaco car (#2) retired on lap 22 of the race that year with a propshaft failure whilst leading (one lap after an identical failure hit the other Matra of Beltoise) and the Canadian gp car (#17) retired on lap 33 after a collision with Ickx in a dice for the lead.
Fangio won the Italian gp in 1954 and finished fourth in the British gp a lap down.
I'd definately go for the two winners, but would do some research on the Fangio cars when photos of the model become available to check the accuracy of the liveries.
Hope this helps mate.

[jsr555]

Liegh
I agree with BB in that you go for what you like. Which cars look good and for me, I generally try and get a GP winning version.
For example my 1/43 World Champion Collection started out as a Ferrari World Champion Collection, so to break up the sea of red, I got the Mexico GP version (Surtees 1964 Ferrari 158) which was painted in North American Racing Team (NART) colours of white and blue. But now my collection is (or one day will be) all world champions, I now want the red car as raced in the Italian GP.
As for Fangio and 1954-55, as he raced the 196 essentially for both seasons, I got one with the side pods which was used only on the high speed tracks to represent 1954 and for 55, I will get the open wheeled version.. It's what you like.

[ferrari fan]

As no scale preverence is specified, but it seems that 1/43 is intended, here the 2 different ones I have.
one is a Brumm on the transporter done by Vroom and the other being a 1/16 scale Tonka Pilistill from 1987ish.

[wayno]

The 196 only raced as a full streamliner or monoposto from memory. The only car from that era I can think of with sidepods as such was the Lancia D-50, which was taken over by Ferrari and raced for Enzo by Fangio and Peter Collins in 1956. I'm going from memory here, so I could be wrong.
Also remember in the first two races of 1954 Fangio drove a Maserati, so there is plenty of variety available.

[ferrari fan]

Picture for the ones that do not remember this one.
Are other members able to post pics?
Pics speak louder than words and many a (newer) collector would have trouble remeber all the different cars.
The next one that could come up might be the 246 of Mike Hawthorn 1958
This one has been done in the abandoned La storia series.

[wayno]

I am no help with the earlier stuff as there is a dearth of it modelled in 1:18! :mad:
One day it will happen I'm sure. I must admit though, since I started my 1:18 wc theme I have learnt an unbelievable amount about the sport and it has really re-ignited my interest in f1.
My world champs collection is up to 46 now (two from each year) and set to expand yet again. Of the cars that have been made in 1:18 I am missing not many now (four to be precise, but in the next week or so that should be down to two). ;)

[ferrari fan]

This a shocker done by freezer wheels, who did try to take over the abandoned series due to the licence issues.
The car in Question was one of the last of the frontengine F1 Ferrari's
280 BHP from 2417.34cc at 8500 rpm!
Brakes Hydraulic drums!
And the World Champion Winner in 1958!

[wayno]

This a shocker done by freezer wheels, who did try to take over the abandoned series due to the licence issues.
The car in Question was one of the last of the frontengine F1 Ferrari's
280 BHP from 2417.34cc at 8500 rpm!
Brakes Hydraulic drums!
And the World Champion Winner in 1958!

Must be Mike Hawthorn then! :D

[ferrari fan]

I am no help with the earlier stuff as there is a dearth of it modelled in 1:18! :mad:
One day it will happen I'm sure. I must admit though, since I started my 1:18 wc theme I have learnt an unbelievable amount about the sport and it has really re-ignited my interest in f1.
My world champs collection is up to 46 now (two from each year) and set to expand yet again. Of the cars that have been made in 1:18 I am missing not many now (four to be precise, but in the next week or so that should be down to two). ;)

Tell me you have got a B193 1/18 Minichamps.
If so well done as these are very hard to come by due to cost and being scarse.

[wayno]

Tell me you have got a B193 1/18 Minichamps.
If so well done as these are very hard to come by due to cost and being scarse.

I don't have a B-193 as I only recently expanded the theme to include non world championship winners. It is on my list, but I know it will cost me.
I know something that will interest you Bert. I picked up a second 1:18 Prost MP 4-5, which is awaiting a tobacco decal conversion (along with many others)!

[ferrari fan]

I don't have a B-193 as I only recently expanded the theme to include non world championship winners. It is on my list, but I know it will cost me.
I know something that will interest you Bert. I picked up a second 1:18 Prost MP 4-5, which is awaiting a tobacco decal conversion (along with many others)!

We?.... "demand"....; pictures,................................... please.

[wayno]

I have started a collection of these too Leigh.Wayno is 'the man' to steer u in the right direction here.he did tell me when u have a situation like with the 3 Stewart cars to get a winning car so I got the #7 high wing as he won that GP.
I only have a few of these World Champion 1/43's so far and I will add to it every now and then(it's not a priority collection of mine)
Here are mine anyway.(ok,the Mansell 1986 didn't win but should have!)
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/vxfan/Formula %201/
All the best with this mate,let us know how u go.
Cheers,
Tony.

Very nice Tony. The collection is coming along very well indeed! :cool:

[wayno]

We?.... "demand"....; pictures,................................... please.

I will try and accomodate. We are planning to buy a digital camera for the wife this week. If all goes well I will see if I can borrow it! :D

This is the only photo I have of the first one I bought so far.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/WAYNOs%20F1%20Cars/?action=view&current=wayno3.jpg

[ferrari fan]

I am no help with the earlier stuff as there is a dearth of it modelled in 1:18! :mad:
One day it will happen I'm sure. I must admit though, since I started my 1:18 wc theme I have learnt an unbelievable amount about the sport and it has really re-ignited my interest in f1.
My world champs collection is up to 46 now (two from each year) and set to expand yet again. Of the cars that have been made in 1:18 I am missing not many now (four to be precise, but in the next week or so that should be down to two). ;)
Put another one on your list;
The Ferrari 312 B3 Niki Lauda, made years ago by Twin Chrono.
Will post pic if you want.

[wayno]

Put another one on your list;
The Ferrari 312 B3 Niki Lauda, made years ago by Twin Chrono.
Will post pic if you want.

Had to think about this one. The 1974 car? Identifiable by the red airbox with the white stripes. Runner up in the constructors championship with three wins (two for Lauda, one for Regazzoni), just before Forghieri went with the transverse gearbox.
The rest, as they say, is history! :D

[BB]

IXO are releasing a new 1/43 LaStoria series. The Lancia D-50 and the F2000 have been released. They are taking their time about it but from what I have seen the Lancia looks OK. There is no driver in this series though.

[BB]

http://www.f1db.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=13

Hope this link works

[wayno]

http://www.f1db.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=13

Hope this link works

That's the Lancia Ferrari D-50. And a great photo I might add!
I THINK thta's the French gp car.

[KiwiRallyFan]

We are planning to buy a digital camera for the wife this week..... I hope the wife enjoys "her" new 30D.....;)

[Leigh]

Thanks for all the responses guys (special thanks to Richard for fixing the link;)).

You've definately got a jump on me Tony...there seems to be a few listed as Development Approved on the main Biante site...

The better half doesn't know about this "new" collection yet;) But I think she has got an idea with the Jones 1980 car and 2006 Alonso car appearing in the last week!

Does the 1980 car have any of its livery missing? The 2005 car will get converted as soon as the decals arrive (Thanks BB).

Cheers

[brchi17]

I hope the wife enjoys "her" new 30D.....;)

yeah that was exactly what I was thinking :D !!!

I wonder if LOTO will actually get to use her new digi :D !!!!

cheers. :)

[VXfan]

Very nice Tony. The collection is coming along very well indeed! :cool:
Thanks Wayno,it's getting there slowly.I very nearly got a 1/18 of James Hunt's 1976 car a few weeks back.There was one for sale in Modelmania.I bought an HSV GTS300 instead but I keep thinking "maybe I should have got .........":D
Cheers,
Tony.

[VXfan]

Thanks for all the responses guys (special thanks to Richard for fixing the link;)).

You've definately got a jump on me Tony...there seems to be a few listed as Development Approved on the main Biante site...

The better half doesn't know about this "new" collection yet;) But I think she has got an idea with the Jones 1980 car and 2006 Alonso car appearing in the last week!

Does the 1980 car have any of its livery missing? The 2005 car will get converted as soon as the decals arrive (Thanks BB).

Cheers
I have about 8 on my watchlist at the moment.I'm particularly hanging out for the 1975 Lauda ferrari and the 1976 Hunt McLaren.I love the 70's and 80's cars the best.:)
Cheers,
Tony.

[wayno]

I have about 8 on my watchlist at the moment.I'm particularly hanging out for the 1975 Lauda ferrari and the 1976 Hunt McLaren.I love the 70's and 80's cars the best.:)
Cheers,
Tony.

The 70's and 80's cars are my favourites as well. The 75 Lauda car with the high airbox is one of the nicest looking f1 cars ever made.
Here's a couple of pics of the two exoto 75 Lauda cars i have with a Scheckter 79 car.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/WAYNOs%20F1%20Cars/?action=view&current=wayno12.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/WAYNOs%20F1%20Cars/?action=view&current=wayno8.jpg

[wayno]

I have about 8 on my watchlist at the moment.I'm particularly hanging out for the 1975 Lauda ferrari and the 1976 Hunt McLaren.I love the 70's and 80's cars the best.:)
Cheers,
Tony.

The Lauda car looks excellent.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1-43-Minichamps-Ferrari-312-T-1975-N-Lauda_W0QQitemZ7024979412QQcategoryZ14736QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

[Leigh]

There's an IXO one of these In production (http://www.biante.com.au/product_14691.htm)...

IXO v Minichamps???

[k1w1taxi]

Whilst I would normally agree about adding winning cars to the collection the two cars originally mentioned pose something of a personal problem, at least until I see them in the metal.

Way back when I was a young fella the Auckland Star had a historical feature piece entitled What A Man - Juan Fangio and The Day He Thawed An Iceberg (Yes I still have it) which was about how Fangio raced to that fourth at Silverstone. The problem with the Streamliner was that he could not see the edges of the car properly so found the corner apexes by Braille. (the thawed iceberg was Neubaurer). So this version would be my choice for personal reasons (I wonder though whether there is any chance of a post race version <G> )

The High wing Stewart car would depend on how well the Wing supports were done - remember the oringinals were generally very flimsy

Cheers
Lee

[BB]

There's an IXO one of these In production (http://www.biante.com.au/product_14691.htm)...

IXO v Minichamps???

Overall the quality of the IXO model will be better but its whether you want the driver sitting in the car or not. The IXO models do not come with drivers.
This is the dilema I am faced with. Do I wait and go with the IXO 1977 312T2 which could be 12 months away or pay $160.00+ and get an older version La Storia with the driver to match the 75 car.

[ferrari fan]

Here a pic of the B3.
It is a heavy model and rather crude as well, but I like it.
Made by Twin Chrono in 1/16 scale.

[ferrari fan]

All the pics have been aproved, so have a look.

[BB]

Thanks for all the responses guys (special thanks to Richard for fixing the link;)).

You've definately got a jump on me Tony...there seems to be a few listed as Development Approved on the main Biante site...

The better half doesn't know about this "new" collection yet;) But I think she has got an idea with the Jones 1980 car and 2006 Alonso car appearing in the last week!

Does the 1980 car have any of its livery missing? The 2005 car will get converted as soon as the decals arrive (Thanks BB).

Cheers

Leigh
I am assuming your refering to the 1980 Wlliams FW07B.
I was curious about the livery on the Minichamps car as well. The decal over the engine cover appears to be in red and yellow. I have not been able to get a good look at it but does anybody know as to what race it was involved in? Mine is not based on any particular race only because of the mesh over the air intake which was my choice. Other than that it is as raced at the Dutch GP.

[Leigh]

BB, yes I was refering to the FW07B.

FF As usual, great Pics.

[Mark Wicks]

Hey, is that FW07B a Tenariv or FDS kit or something? It has the correct signage on the engine cover (Minichamps version must be from a specific race where they ran different signage - I will have to check in my old Grand Prix International magazines one day because i would hope Minichamps didn't get it wrong!). Williams ran a different rear wing mount post for most of the season, but the one pictured is correct for the early season races.

[BB]

Hey, is that FW07B a Tenariv or FDS kit or something? It has the correct signage on the engine cover (Minichamps version must be from a specific race where they ran different signage - I will have to check in my old Grand Prix International magazines one day because i would hope Minichamps didn't get it wrong!). Williams ran a different rear wing mount post for most of the season, but the one pictured is correct for the early season races.

Yes Mark, it's from an old FDS kit and in fact it was one of the first kits I built.

[ferrari fan]

Due to the fact that minichamps is issuing the Motorbike series, and there have been a few, we can now collect the World champions in MotoGP and the old 500 cc GP class.
With the issue of the Rossi 250cc and 125cc models it could be another series like MSC, now maybe refered to mas VRC, which is still very succesful and collectable.
If these take your fancy, you better start, as the secondhand values are already getting outta hand.
A Troy Corser 1999 is gone ape, but the same scarse issue of Foggy 1999 is still available for about issue price, and also only 500 odd only made!

[k1w1taxi]

i would hope Minichamps didn't get it wrong!)

Wouldn't be the first time!! Their Villeneuve T4 is particularly bad with its signage.

[Leigh]

After obtaining a few of world champs in 1:43, I'm becoming familiar with the quality and detail of Minichamps, Quartzo, iXo and Hotwheels (the later two through the La Storia series).

I have recently come across some RBA FABBRI and Brumm which I have no idea about. How does the quality and detail of these two stack up against the others?

Thanks

[ferrari fan]

Due to the fact that minichamps is issuing the Motorbike series, and there have been a few, we can now collect the World champions in MotoGP and the old 500 cc GP class.
With the issue of the Rossi 250cc and 125cc models it could be another series like MSC, now maybe refered to mas VRC, which is still very succesful and collectable.
If these take your fancy, you better start, as the secondhand values are already getting outta hand.
A Troy Corser 1999 is gone ape, but the same scarse issue of Foggy 1999 is still available for about issue price, and also only 500 odd only made!

I just unpacked this one Tohru Ukawa Minichamps#122 016111 and after comparing this one with the last Mick Doohan machine, I come to the conclusion that there is VERY little difference in the model at all.
They,BIANTE, still have them in stock!
Better model than Criville due to this fact, My opinion anyway.
and an update pic of the figurine I am crafting of Rossie on the Honda, not finnished yet,as it is a fair bit of work and lotsa decals to be applied, but will look the bizz.
Any word on when figuriens are available yet?

[ferrari fan]

Here is the other side of this wonderfull model and here is hoping a Michael Doohan edition will be here VERY soon.
Never mind the rest of his all conquring machines!
The 1994 machine and the 1998 esp are similair.
The other world championship winner I will look forward to, is the 1979 Yamaha YZR500.