Million Dollar Phase III

[Clevo]

I found this article to be very interesting.
I apoligise if this topic has already been posted.
Did this car win any races?
http://www.grandtourer.com.au/Aspx/CurrentWork.asp x

[vr-x3500]

The car was second outright at Bathurst 1972 and was Class D winner. From memory it also holds the record for highest top speed by a Phase III down Conrod Straight, can't remember the speed, sorry.

[Rocky 19]

1972 that was a good year,

1st XU-1 Torana
2nd GTHO Falcon
3rd R/T Charger.

Variety is the spice of life!

I would like to have seen the Charger win as this could have changed Chryslers fortunes, and because I love Chargers, but they were all sweet looking cars and Brock was fantastic in the rain.

[Nedwob]

2nd Bathurst 71 & 72. Both years quickest down conrod @ 152 & 154 mph.

[Maximus]

And an awsome car to have in your Collection Nedwob.

[beast]

154mph. I think the metric conversion is someone around 245-250kph. That's fast. And all this talk about 160mph XA Phase 4 GTHO.

[vr-x3500]

multiply 154 by 1.61 and your bang on the money beast. Damn quick for 1972 thats for sure

[Patterson]

And still couldn't beat the mighty torrie.

Shows ya how well brocky must have driven the thing though.

XU1 top speed is about 125 mph, so you can imagine how much the Falcon must have pulled away on conrod and mountain straight.

[1370]

And still couldn't beat the mighty torrie.

Shows ya how well brocky must have driven the thing though.

XU1 top speed is about 125 mph, so you can imagine how much the Falcon must have pulled away on conrod and mountain straight.

Discounting the effect of rain and crap tyre technology, are we?

[singer]

Discounting the effect of rain and crap tyre technology, are we?
History is just that, the better car/driver combination won on the day.

That said, given the same cars & weather conditions with TODAYS tyre technology who's to say who'd win:)

[1370]

Just because a win was lucked doesn't make the victors the best outfit on the day.

Bathurst is just too short a race. I've seen too many races there where the outcome has appeared rather random. There simply isn't time for those who suffer misfortune to fix their cars and be back in the fight (like at Le Mans).

[Leigh]

Just because a win was lucked doesn't make the victors the best outfit on the day.

Bathurst is just too short a race. I've seen too many races there where the outcome has appeared rather random. There simply isn't time for those who suffer misfortune to fix their cars and be back in the fight (like at Le Mans).
Is Le mans long enough then...Given another 24h, I'm sure we'd see a different winner:rolleyes:

[singer]

Just because a win was lucked doesn't make the victors the best outfit on the day.

Bathurst is just too short a race. I've seen too many races there where the outcome has appeared rather random. There simply isn't time for those who suffer misfortune to fix their cars and be back in the fight (like at Le Mans).

Who says it was luck. As far as I can tell, Bathurst takes a lot of preparation by all teams involved and has done even when the Race was at Phillip Island
Apparently another one eyed supporter who can't put the past in perspective:rolleyes:

[Timshaw]

My brother had a '72 Bathurst special, brand new off the lot and it easily revved to 7000. The 3.36 diff gives you 20.1 mph per 1000 rpm, so I think the race cars would have been pulling more than 125 down conrod.
Cheers

[Leigh]

My brother had a '72 Bathurst special, brand new off the lot and it easily revved to 7000. The 3.36 diff gives you 20.1 mph per 1000 rpm, so I think the race cars would have been pulling more than 125 down conrod.
Cheers
Conrod straight was not long enough for the XU1's to wind out to top speed...likewise, down low your relationship between revs and velocity might be correct, but add in wind resistance, rolling resistance etc at higher speeds and it is not as simple as it seems....

[Timshaw]

Not long enough??? The XU-1 was only 1 second slower over the 1/4 mile and with a better power to weight ratio, I'm sure a slippery little car that weighs just over the metric tonne would have "wound out" well and truly on Conrod Straight.

[gab73]

The question is can could the xu1 pull 7000rpm in top gear???

[malscar]

Motoring magazines at the time got 129mph out of road going cars, so race fettled ones should have been able to get to this down Conrod easily.

[Leigh]

Not long enough??? The XU-1 was only 1 second slower over the 1/4 mile and with a better power to weight ratio, I'm sure a slippery little car that weighs just over the metric tonne would have "wound out" well and truly on Conrod Straight.
...and much less torque...something vital for top end speed!

But I'll take Mals advice on numbers on this one.

[lukey73]

My uncle used to build XU1 race motors in the 70's, he told they used to make 250rwhp and 350 pound of torque so i would imagne they would go pull like a steam train as the XU1's were really light compared to PH3.

[FPR FAN]

2nd Bathurst 71 & 72. Both years quickest down conrod @ 152 & 154 mph.

Well there goes my favourite race car down south. I was hoping to go for a ride in it one day Chris!! (Hint, Hint) This is a significant sale of a great race car and has re-set the bench mark on price yet again. The Onyx Black Phase 3 on the Australian Muscle Car Sales website has reportedly sold for $400k (unconfirmed).

Cheers
John

[gab73]

My uncle used to build XU1 race motors in the 70's, he told they used to make 250rwhp and 350 pound of torque so i would imagne they would go pull like a steam train as the XU1's were really light compared to PH3.

Very optamistic figures.
But then most peoples dyno figures are on steroids.

[olly]

For those that remember...in 1972 Moffat beached the GTHO somewhere near McPhillamy for several minutes and Brock got a 1 minute penalty for a pitstop infringement....

[ferrari fan]

Well I did have the prototype of this model also on show at the Model Expo and again, it was a very well received model of this great machine, with the outstanding paint scheme.
Sadly,I did not have my camera with me and the pics I took at home are to big in size to post (I do not know how to crop them either)

[ferrari fan]

There are some forums discussing the fact that a certain XY GT HO Ph3 was sold for a record price.
From my understanding it is the Bryan Byrth sponsored purple Machine that came second at Bathurst in 1971.
The same car that Biante is going to release to us, the collectors, for less than $200 including a certificate!.

[XR8]

Yes, I have read this too...
The 1/18th version will look good in my collection.

Here's a link:
http://www.grandtourer.com.au/Aspx/CurrentWork.asp x

Ed :)

[Poita]

Bowdens offloaded a few cars to fund their purchase of Dick Johnson's entire collection of race cars.

http://www.bowdensown.com.au/museums.htm (http://www.bowdensown.com.au/museums.htm)

[Leigh]

Bowdens offloaded a few cars to fund their purchase of Dick Johnson's entire collection of race cars.

http://www.bowdensown.com.au/museums.htm
Hopefully Biante have measured up all the DJR cars that they need, because the Bowden's openly refuse access to their collection to Biante:(

[malscar]

Hopefully Biante have measured up all the DJR cars that they need, because the Bowden's openly refuse access to their collection to Biante:(


Leigh, do you know the reason? I just feel a bit surprised as I would have thought they would want to share the joy of these old cars to a wider field of racenuts than just showing some of the cars at the various Historic meets.

[VXfan]

Why do I get a sneaking suspicion that Classics will be around with the measuring tape soon?;)
Cheers,
Tony.

[malscar]

Tony, that is my suspicion, just nothing to back it up.

[Buffalo]

Bowdens offloaded a few cars to fund their purchase of Dick Johnson's entire collection of race cars.

http://www.bowdensown.com.au/museums.htm (http://www.bowdensown.com.au/museums.htm)

I wonder if Dick is a bit strapped for cash ?? ... Haven;t heard much about how his First Rock Homeloan business is going - Has anyone ?

[vr-x3500]

At least now we may get to see some of the Bowdens cars other than at race meetings. I realise because of insurance reasons they can't let anybody and everybody through their shed/sheds to look at their awsome collection. As a big fan of the early touing cars as well as the Group C and Group A cars it's very dissapointing that i can't see all these cars together in the one place, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the GT owners club of Qld are allowed through, as i can't afford one of these i guess the chances of seeing them are pretty slim. I just hope Dicks cars don't suffer the same fate.

[LC Torana]

Hopefully Biante have measured up all the DJR cars that they need, because the Bowden's openly refuse access to their collection to Biante:(

….Is this true Nedwob

[Buffalo]

At least now we may get to see some of the Bowdens cars other than at race meetings. I realise because of insurance reasons they can't let anybody and everybody through their shed/sheds to look at their awsome collection. As a big fan of the early touing cars as well as the Group C and Group A cars it's very dissapointing that i can't see all these cars together in the one place, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the GT owners club of Qld are allowed through, as i can't afford one of these i guess the chances of seeing them are pretty slim. I just hope Dicks cars don't suffer the same fate.

Vr-vx3500 - The Bowdens actually let a lot of car clubs through their collection not just the GT club ... I went through with the Historic Racing Car club and I also know that the QLD Mini owners club went through also.

[rex555]

As a big fan of the early touing cars as well as the Group C and Group A cars it's very dissapointing that i can't see all these cars together in the one place

It is disappointing but they do let their cars travel around the country and you can get 'up close and personal' with them which is far better than some collectors allow. No it isn't a perfect solution for race fans but it is far better than having them locked up in a dusty shed with only a small handfull of people having access.

BTW the No.9 XY GTHO having its neck wrung by Mr Moffat at the Clipsal a few years ago was enough to make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end. These cars aren't just show pieces but are allowed to be driven hard, if not in anger.

[Clevo]

A few years ago i was fortunate enough to go on a tour through the bowden stable with the queensland falcon gt club. Chris and Dan explained the history on each vechicle which i found very interesting. I believe the only reason they let car clubs through the shed is because majority of the members appreciate their own and others cars, Im not saying that the greater public has no repect for these vechicles but a few bad apples can ruin it for others, although if you bought some of their car cleaing products you had the oportunity to visit the collection ealier this year.
As for this purple phase 3 being a record breaker, i have read confrimed prices of it selling around the 700k mark. If this machine can sell for that amount some of allan moffats's phase 3's or the super falcon would be priceless if one sold at today's prices
On a side note the only black phase 3 road car sold for around 400k the other day making it the record price for a phase 3 road vechicle.

[Leigh]

I believe the only reason they let car clubs through the shed is because majority of the members appreciate their own and others cars, Im not saying that the greater public has no repect for these vechicles but a few bad apples can ruin it for others, although if you bought some of their car cleaing products you had the oportunity to visit the collection ealier this year.

I realise because of insurance reasons they can't let anybody and everybody through their shed/sheds to look at their awsome collection.
Given these facts, I am absolutely astonished that museums can even exist!

The Hughes brothers had the biggest collection of unrestored and restored Holdens out the back of their shop in Bayswater for many years, and none of them got damaged!!! These now reside elsewhere due to the shear size of the collection.

[Leigh]

….Is this true Nedwob
Why wait? (http://www.bowdensown.com.au/links.html)

[LC Torana]

Why wait? (http://www.bowdensown.com.au/links.html)

I see...Thanks

[VXfan]

Why wait? (http://www.bowdensown.com.au/links.html)
Just read that 'charming' section there.Unbelievable!Basically bags everyone but Classics.
Still happy to frequent this forum though,lots of nice free advertising.:rolleyes:
Cheers,
Tony.

[Clevo]

Given these facts, I am absolutely astonished that museums can even exist!

The Hughes brothers had the biggest collection of unrestored and restored Holdens out the back of their shop in Bayswater for many years, and none of them got damaged!!! These now reside elsewhere due to the shear size of the collection.

Alot of the cars in the bowden garage are unrestored and still wear their original paint. I know that one of their Brock a9x's is exactly how Peter left it after the race. Ive been to many car shows and seen children and adults touch the vechicles with their grubby hands, with no repect for the owners pride. Being a classic car owner myself and having friends lean on my car bugs me. Alot have no repect for others property and if i owned a collection of vechicles like the bowdens i too would be picky on who comes into the shed.
My comments on why the bowdens are so carefull with their collection is just judgement on my own behalf and i too would love to visit it again. Id be happy to pay for the privledge but that decision is entirely upto them. The guy that runs the museum in the below link has a good idea and i plan on taking the tour one day.
http://www.aussiemusclecarmuseum.com.au/

[Leigh]

I know that one of their Brock a9x's is exactly how Peter left it after the race.
Which one is that?

[Clevo]

This is the one, but to be honest mate i wouldnt have a clue which year it was as they both looked the same to me 78 or 79
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e289/epitaph81/C IMG0442.jpg

[Nobes]

1979

[Nobes]

Has the 3XY logos on front dam and Bridgestone on middle of bumper bar.

[ferrari fan]

And the light interior.
I am actualy a tad dissapointed in the lines on model cars in the Bowdens own website.
I do not know any of the reasons, but the CC range is let we say limited and narrowly based on just a few different models.
doen not have anywhere near the variety of Biante and their first offerings were ahemm.
Yes they do make exelent models.So does Biante.
Ahh well I do not know the most probably very valid reason for it all.

Anyone who does not think that Biante offerings are not value for money better point the "other" range out to me.
Just my oppinion

[vr-x3500]

[quote=Clevo;162274] although if you bought some of their car cleaing products you had the oportunity to visit the collection ealier this year.


From memory it was a gift pack priced at around $300 and if you purchased it you went into the draw to win a tour of the collection. To be honest with you I'd rather pay $300 to look through the collection. Wouldn't waste their fine products on my Magna or the Hilux ;)

[ferrari fan]

Well I use their products on my Galopies and it is great stuff, the cars still looks schmicko!
esp their no water wash stuff I like, so no water can go inside and cause damage over time.