Brock VR Mistakes?

[XR8Man1]

HI, I received my Brock/Mezera VR today, and was wondering if the following were mistakes. On the C.O.A there was no indication of what this model was in the Brock Collection, usually under the Certificate Number. Also on the Backing of the Section behind the car (In the Box) where it says what the car is and who drove it, it says Peter Brock/TOMAS Mezera, is it supposed to THomas Mezera or am i wrong?

[enforcer]

You are wrong.
Tomas Mezera is spelt exactly like it is. No 'H'.

[XR8Man1]

Thanks, for that, wasn't quite sure.

[SWRT]

Any one got a Brock/Mezera VR with the sertificate signed by Brock and Mezera?
Also in regards to the 1/18 Brock Bathurst 2002,someone told me they bought 20 of them for $165 each and sold them at the top of the mountain for $500 each.

[chups]

i also noticed some mistakes on the brock mezera car but i think that if you dont notice them yourself then you wont worry, if someone tells you then you will notice them. i am happy with my model even with the minor errors its one of the best models i have

if biante want to know the errors, they know my email address and can email me if they want to know but theres not much they can do now that its released if it was a prototype it would be different.

[wacpt]

Chups
I'm glad you didn't started listing all the errors. Considering the car was last sighted on a track 7 years ago, I think Biante did a great job. Not sure where they got all the detail from, my guess would have to include books, videos or even photos. Do we really need to pick the s??t out of every model released.?

I would like someone to point out something man made that is 100% accurate.

Without starting a free for all, those guys who feel the need to post every minute error in details, "get a life".

Enjoy them, don't destroy them.



Keep smiling

[Three_o_seven]

Im with ya there wacpt....if the critics could only produce a better one....
I think the models are fantastic....people have gotten around missing advertising etc by simply adding it themselves...whats the big deal? As for my models i'm totaly satisfied and always have been.:)

[XR8Man1]

First of all i wasn't trying to be critical, i was just wondering if they were just mistakes, or actually how it is supposed to be, I think it's one of the best cars in the Biante Range, and i hope they do much more.

[wacpt]

Not having a go at you personally. Just don't think we should have a repeat of the black Brock VX model.

[stonee]

Originally posted by SWRT
Any one got a Brock/Mezera VR with the sertificate signed by Brock and Mezera?
Also in regards to the 1/18 Brock Bathurst 2002,someone told me they bought 20 of them for $165 each and sold them at the top of the mountain for $500 each.

I was up at bathurst and there seemed to be an endless supply of these cars for sale at the track in the Holden tent for $165. So I cant see how anyone could convince 20 people over the weekend to pay 2 1/2 times the price for one.:confused:

[Grubby]

If there are a few minor discrepincies.........so what.

The model is superb and Biante have once again done an excellent job.

Let's just appreciate what we have and hope that there is more to come.

Grubby

[johnp2002]

I have just received my Brock VR and am a little disappointed with it. I have read how with computer machine tooling that the accuracy is almost a given, and agree with the other people in that minor mistakes are human error (eg misspelling) so are no big deal.

What I can't figure out though, (and I know Biante actually measures the cars when possible) is how the wheels are so small in proportion to the body.

If you look at any photos of the car at that time (see attached image of 97), you will see that the wheels are usually touching the top of the guards and I think (although the memory is vague on this) they used a lower profile tyre.

The net effect is that the wheel diameter itself looks like it was made as a 15 inch or the tyre size is too big.

Either way I think it makes the car look wrong, and Biante usually do such an amazing job.

Sure this will create a storm of protest but hope Biante look at it closely before mass production of other years (particularly 96,97)

By the way, saw the VS that was written off by Murph some time ago, the plan is to bring it back as a 3 seater. It's in better condition than previously thought!

[Oh Five]

I got mine today ,and after looking through my yearbook, i cant find much wrong at all (livery).well done Biante, and great to finally see a Brock car in the window packaging.
Cheers.

[admin]

Originally posted by johnp2002
I have just received my Brock VR and am a little disappointed with it. I have read how with computer machine tooling that the accuracy is almost a given, and agree with the other people in that minor mistakes are human error (eg misspelling) so are no big deal.

What I can't figure out though, (and I know Biante actually measures the cars when possible) is how the wheels are so small in proportion to the body.

If you look at any photos of the car at that time (see attached image of 97), you will see that the wheels are usually touching the top of the guards and I think (although the memory is vague on this) they used a lower profile tyre.

The net effect is that the wheel diameter itself looks like it was made as a 15 inch or the tyre size is too big.

Either way I think it makes the car look wrong, and Biante usually do such an amazing job.

Sure this will create a storm of protest but hope Biante look at it closely before mass production of other years (particularly 96,97)

By the way, saw the VS that was written off by Murph some time ago, the plan is to bring it back as a 3 seater. It's in better condition than previously thought!

Part of the reason the tyres are sittting up under the guards is that in this shot, the car would be accelerating hard in 3rd gear around a left hand bend at about 155kph. You only have to look at the spoiler in relation to the road....10 degree angle to the road.
The other thing is that its the 97 car...model mentioned is a 95....big difference.
By the way, the models are not made with computer tooled engineering...all models are made from start to finish by hand tooling. First computer generated image Holden have on record of Aussie cars is of a VR door skin. Thats about all up to VT.
Rest assured the 96 and 97 cars will be just that.....same as this is a 95 car and the model is a 95 car.

[Earnhardt-3]

Originally posted by Grubby
If there are a few minor discrepincies.........so what.

The model is superb and Biante have once again done an excellent job.

Let's just appreciate what we have and hope that there is more to come.

Grubby

...see above quote everyone...

PS. Hear Here, admin.

[johnp2002]

Thought I'd get this response......

Ok, and in the following photo you will see that even on reverse angle of the 1995 car where it is 17.5 degrees off angle, the wheels are not so far under the guards, even though it is in 3rd gear at 175kmh.................................and they still fill it out........

[SWRT]

How about a Lowndes/Murphy Bathurst #015 1995 commodore and then all people with the current release can have a 2 set?

[Grubby]

SWRT

That could be a posibility if they end up making all the Lowndes cars.

Grubby

[wacpt]

johnp2002
Without sounding offensive. Are you trying to be some kind of expert??

Let it go.

Just enjoy the model.





Keep smiling

[johnp2002]

No.... I was replying tongue in cheek to the administrators comments.

I am a huge fan and have an extensive collection of Biante models... and have scratch built a couple of 1/24th scale racing commodores to match the 05 car I part own.....

I don't normally comment on the site as opinions can be extreme, but if you criticise (as I have done) then you have to be prepared to cop it back...... and maybe with a little humour

so I guess it is just an opinion from a different perspective, that will not stop me from buying many more.

[Grubby]

johnp2002

Which model Brock car do you part own ?

What sort of condition is it in ?

Grubby

[johnp2002]

1986 Brock /Moffat VK Bathurst

It was reconfigured as a VL and campaigned by Brock / Crompton in 87. We have it still as a VL and are reconditioning it and will restore it to a VK as raced.

It goes too!

[Grubby]

johnp2002

That's excellent.

You will have to post some pictures fo us


Grubby

PS Does it have / do you know the chassis number ?

[Grubby]

Originally posted by johnp2002
By the way, saw the VS that was written off by Murph some time ago, the plan is to bring it back as a 3 seater. It's in better condition than previously thought!


johnp2002

I was pretty sure that this car was already given a second lease on life and made a comeback in certain rounds in the 1999 championship. Then it was retired again.

Grubby

[Damian]

Your right Grubby,
It's the car with the reverse colour scheme
that Lowdnes drove after his STACK in 99.
McCoville also drove it for a few rounds.
Regards
Damian.

Found an old link for this particular car
http://www.hsv.com.au/racing/99results/round9/vs_p ics.htm

[Grubby]

Damian

And wasn't that reverse paint scheme great ( hint..hint ..admin )

After Murphy crashed this car ( VS ) at Phillip Island in 1997 the car was put into storage. Most thought that it was written off.

During late 97 and early 98 the car was rebuilt and kept as a spare.

Since the rebuild it has been raced by

Cameron McConville in 1999 - Round 9 ( the round Lowndes didn't compete in )
Craig Lowndes in 1999
Craig Lowndes in 1999 - Indy Support races

This car was then retired once more.

If I have missed anything or got something incorrect please let me know.

Grubby

[johnp2002]

That's interesting..... I actually saw the car stripped down (ie back to metal) with no front end in June 2001..... right alongside a shell from one of Brocks old cars.

Can it be a VT I am thinking of? hmmmmmmmm

[Grubby]

johnp2002

HRT did turn an old VT into their PR2 car. ( 2 passenger car )

Grubby

[Damian]

Yes Grubby,
You're right on all counts.
That reverse colour scheme is DAMN FINE.:D
Regards
Damian

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by Grubby
Damian

And wasn't that reverse paint scheme great ( hint..hint ..admin )



Yes Grubby, it did look good didn't it.:p

[brchi17]

Has anyone seen the HRT 3 seater ?
They have a ride car that looks the same as the racers, but without the numbers on it.
It apparently that is the car that Lowdnes almost destroyed at Calder in that big crash.
cheers.

[ferrari fan]

If you need the original parts for this to be restored car than contact me as I do know where these are and they are for sale!front /back wings and all sorts of other gear that came of the car for the conversion to VL. this was the car that went to Europe.
even the original engine block and all the other running gear is also available
It is not mine but a good friend has got all the gear and I also believe a logbook but I am not 100% on that one
regards
Ferrari fan

P.S. I am only doing this to help and not to be a $$ middle man!!!!

[jonno]

Tomas is from the Chek republic hence the spelling.

[Mark H-M]

Hi Ferrari Fan

Is your friend selling commodore parts for crazed collectors such as myself? I would love an 05 bonnet/wheel etc gracing my office. Not a time-waster.

By the way does anyone know of a compny called Trimworld Automotive? I've just purchased Brock's race seat from his Sierra and these guys originally built it/trimmed it. It needs a little TLC and I'm hoping that Trimworld might have some original fabric.

[oneeighteen]

Now that we have clarified the spelling of Tomas, have look at your HRT Twin set. The fact is, we all know who this man is and regardless of a small error, the cars are great.

:)

[Graeme]

I know this subject started on the Biante VR model, but the story of 1:1 scale Brock car ownership sounds far more interesting.

So, you have the #05 1986 Bathurst car, being the one that Moff bent on the wall out of McPhillamy Park on the Friday before the race. How much of this car's history do you possess ?
I, like others on the Forum no doubt, would like to know what happened to the car during the past fifteen years or so.

Was this the car campaigned by Brock and/or Gary Scott in the early rounds of the 1987 ATCC ?

I know that a brand new VL that had been built for Brock for 1987 was purchased by Phil Ross - on behalf of Allan Moffat for his 1987 European campaign - and that Brock subsequently started the 1987 ATCC with a two car VK team.

At Lakeside's third round, Gary Scott did major damage to the #05 car during practice and Brock ended up driving the #6 car.

Scott was replaced by David Parsons, and at the Sandown ATCC round Brock was now driving a VL model. Was this a rebuilt VK ?

Come August 1987, Brock was competing in Belgium in the Spa 24hr race, driving the #3 Mobil VL Commodore, partnered by David Parsons and Neville Crichton. Was this a brand new VL specially built for the Spa race ?

Then, in September, there was the Pepsi 250 at Oran Park and the Castrol 500 at Sandown. Brock / Parsons in one VL, and
Jon Crooke / Neil Crompton sharing another VL, the latter referred to in the motoring press as a re-bodied VK, reportedly your ex-#05 Bathurst 1986 car.

Finally, for Bathurst 1987, Brock's team had three VL's on hand, but only one, #05, reportedly being a newly scratch-built VL racer. Due to race licence issues, Neil Crompton was prevented from competing and was replaced by Peter McLeod in the #10 car, and thereby denied a first-time-out Bathurst race win.

When Brock went to BMW power in 1988, I'm not sure what happened to his VL fleet, which comprised three or perhaps four complete cars. I know that one car eventually ended up as a Walkinshaw-spec car in the hands of Chris Lambden, featuring bold Beaurepaires sponsorship. Any ideas on the fate/history of these cars, including the one that you now part own ??

[7Litre]

Boo Who Wah Wah, I can't afford it. They brought it out to early.
So it back to the closet.

[johnp2002]

From what we have been able to determine from the log books we have and from our own research, the car is in fact build number #14. It was the second VK to be built new for Bathurst, and we have identified it by the welds on the sub frame where the new front end was added during repairs after Moffats crash.

The car was then raced in the early part of 1987, and appeared at Sandown as a VL. We believe that it went to Bathurst 1987 as a spare car ( I happened to take photos in the display tent at the time of a VL race car that matches the configuration of our own so would assume that it was the spare car for the weekend).

The car was not sent to Europe, rather it was sold off when Brockie had a 'fire sale' to clear HDT out. Mr Bill Lee, the HDT outlet in WA bought this car and the 1985 Bathurst VK and brought them to Perth. The 1985 car was also a VL conversion, which was then further upgraded to a Walkinshaw spec and raced locally. We looked at purchasing the car to restore, however it has apparently been in a large number of accidents and required a new body due to structural creases. Obviously that eliminated the exercise.

It was then that we came across the 1986 car that had won a number of endurance races at Wanneroo, in the hands of Dennis Norgard and maintained by Bill Lee.

Bill advised that the car had spent some 11 years gathering dust in a barn in a country town north of Perth.

We purchased the car through Bill and he arranged to have it returned and get it running again. We had a large number of age related problems such as the fuel bladder deterioating internally and causing the car to stop etc etc. We also only have 11 year old tyres which make for an interesting ride around Wanneroo!!!!!! Nevertheless, we have gotten some good times out of it in our first couple of runs.

Bill had a number of parts belonging to the 1985 car that he was selling to us, however I have lived in Melbourne for the last couple of years and they were sold as part of a fire sale when he moved and we missed out. We are definately in the market to buy original VK parts if available, particularly tyres.

The car is currently sitting in a garage awaiting the parts and commencement of work. We have contacted the actual builders of the car with a view to tracking down (unsuccessfully) the artwork for the exterior, and as most of the running gear was built by Harrop engineeering, we have started to examine what can be kept etc.

It is our intention to develop a website with all the information we can find about the car, including a pictorial record of the restoration. If anyone has photos or details they would like to share with us we can be reached at johnp@iinet.net.au

Here is the car as it sits today.

JOHN

[johnp2002]

Here is the photo.

Yes Ferrari Fan, we would like to know what your friend has available.