Brock 1:18 VK "Big Banger" Due Oct 07

[f1webber]

Just received the latest Classics retailer newsletter and they have announced the Brock/Perkins 84 Bathurst winner will be released in October next year with a RRP of $195.00. Seems like classics have really decided to step up to the plate on these older Group C & Group A classics we have all been waiting so long for.
Let the fun begin............................

Cheers

[MarkHM]

Hmm...I could be tempted to move to the dark side if they are first cab off the rank (don't worry Nathan, I'll buy yours too)

[VXfan]

Great news though the fact they are now delving into the Brock realm of models,where will they stop?(i.e. Will we see remakes of previous Biante Brock cars?)
Interesting times ahead.I will be particularly interested in Biantes response to this.
Cheers,
Tony.

[Chev_350]

I will be particularly interested in Biantes response to this.

As would I, Biante and Brock were always close but it looks like who ever is in charge of the Brock Estate is not.

[Tumbo]

unless CC have just decided to ignore this? Really would love to see how far this goes in a legal sense.

[jediholden]

Hmm...I could be tempted to move to the dark side if they are first cab off the rank (don't worry Nathan, I'll buy yours too)

I dont care who brings it out first, I'll still buy it. But it does seem strange that Classic's are taking over:confused:.

[monarocveightz]

I think i would get the Biante version as it's part of the "Brock Collection"

[Oh Five]

I think i would get the Biante version as it's part of the "Brock Collection"

I believe it has more to do with Holden than "the estate";) I would also be keen on the collection theme, but if cc are going to bring it out then, thats the one i will get. At least when cc say they are doing something they get on with it and not years down the track.
Plus with the PB collection no longer with autographs, does it really matter any more?

[MarkHM]

I'll still respect the original intent of the Brock Collection by Biante. To me they started first after so many years of inferior products. That's not to say I won't buy the CC model to fill a gap until Biante's comes out! I can always give it to Fiona as an anniversary pressie

[vikings100]

Will Bert be making decals for the CC version or waiting ubtil biante make theres in X amount of years?:)

[brchi17]

Great news though the fact they are now delving into the Brock realm of models,where will they stop?(i.e. Will we see remakes of previous Biante Brock cars?)
Interesting times ahead.I will be particularly interested in Biantes response to this.
Cheers,
Tony.

Yes this is certainly very interesting & I do wonder seeing it's been apparent that Biante have had exclusive rights to the older Brock cars......:confused:

[Brutesutes]

I believe it has more to do with Holden than "the estate";) I would also be keen on the collection theme, but if cc are going to bring it out then, thats the one i will get. At least when cc say they are doing something they get on with it and not years down the track.
Plus with the PB collection no longer with autographs, does it really matter any more?Here Here best response i have heard yet ;)

[Oh Five]

Will Bert be making decals for the CC version or waiting ubtil biante make theres in X amount of years?:)

I hope he does, but if not, there are others that will take our money

[Poita]

Plus with the PB collection no longer with autographs, does it really matter any more?
Exactly my thoughts as well.

[troym]

it looks like classic are starting to lift the bar & trying to gain market dominance, alot of people have been asking about this model for a while now with little or no response, whilst i am a big fan of biante & compliment them on the models they have produced, there comes a time when the business side of things start to rule & i think classic are very much aware that there is a demand out there for these cars & by producing what the people want, they start to create a new wave of support for their product, maybe biante might need to consider bringing forward some of the earlier models a bit quicker, the VK big banger is one car they need to produce, perhaps a twin pack with the 25 car, this might give them the edge over classic for a while ??

[05shan]

Good news, like most other people i've been waiting for this for a long time!!
CC or Biante, it doesnt really matter to me. As long as it released when promised.

[redss350]

Just received the latest Classics retailer newsletter and they have announced the Brock/Perkins 84 Bathurst winner will be released in October next year with a RRP of $195.00. Seems like classics have really decided to step up to the plate on these older Group C & Group A classics we have all been waiting so long for.
Let the fun begin............................

Cheers end of the year, well biante will have theirs out first then, i was told about mid year and they will do couple of the big bangers a year.

[05shan]

end of the year, well biante will have theirs out first then, i was told about mid year and they will do couple of the big bangers a year.
Heard that one B4. Anyone remember the '78 bathurst winner???????????:mad:
How long did we wait for that;)

[Chev_350]

it looks like classic are starting to lift the bar & trying to gain market dominance, alot of people have been asking about this model for a while now with little or no response, whilst i am a big fan of biante & compliment them on the models they have produced, there comes a time when the business side of things start to rule & i think classic are very much aware that there is a demand out there for these cars & by producing what the people want, they start to create a new wave of support for their product, maybe biante might need to consider bringing forward some of the earlier models a bit quicker, the VK big banger is one car they need to produce, perhaps a twin pack with the 25 car, this might give them the edge over classic for a while ??


Nicely put sir, However I would still be interested in what happen with the Brock contract.

[gab73]

Nicely put sir, However I would still be interested in what happen with the Brock contract.
What happend to the Grice, Bailey contract.????

[Pedro]

Is the classic version of the 84 vk big banger just a single car or will it be a twin pack ?

[Oh Five]

Single car.

[Pedro]

Single car.

Would like a twin set for this model but it will not stop me ordering one

[redss350]

Heard that one B4. Anyone remember the '78 bathurst winner???????????:mad:
How long did we wait for that;) cant say where but it is very reliable inside source perth wa

[05shan]

cant say where but it is very reliable inside source perth wa
Hope you are right mate as i cant wait to get one;)
Wont be holding my breath but:D

[spoonster05]

I'd be interested in whichever one comes out first, i just want a model of this glorious car in my collection

[wayno]

This is starting to get ugly. I'll be getting the Biante version as keeping the Brock collection going is important to me.
Just my opinion of course.

[Martin Thomas]

I have seen too many innocuous things reveal themselves to be ugly to not be worried by this..:( I fear the worst will come of this duplication. I hope I'm wrong.

[Nobes]

Looking forward to a Twin pack ala the 77 Set. Go well with my signed Form Finish of the 77 and 84 race.

Like other collectors here, I'd buy Biante for the PB collection (as I now classify myself as a collection collector LOL) and a CC one.

I'm just so glad we can get models of these cars, and look forward to other variants of the 80s and 90s Commodores (and Fords) that will no doubt be released.

[cooper1117]

I just hope Biante react and get theirs out first. I for one am looking forward to the 84 VK. Interesting to note when I first joined this forum I asked about the 84. As it seemed it was a fairly standard question for most new starters. Just goes to show how important this car will be.

[inter]

I have seen too many innocuous things reveal themselves to be ugly to not be worried by this..:( I fear the worst will come of this duplication. I hope I'm wrong.

excuse my ignorance, but how could this get ugly? I dont understand?:confused:

[Dingo]

excuse my ignorance, but how could this get ugly? I dont understand?:confused:
There is certainly the opportunity for one company to take over the hearts and minds of collectors by releasing the most sought after models before the other. Especially if there could be licensing or legal issues surrounding the release of either one (not willing to speculate - it is possible to be sued for comments made on Internet forums)...

[the_goldie]

Do we even know if Biante are going to make this car?

The only info I could find in the FAQs is this:

"Apart from the model cars that make up the Peter Brock Collection, Biante intends to cover other aspects of Peter's extensive automotive legacy, and this would include replicating various HDT Commodore road cars of the 1980s."

No mention of the 80s race cars that I could see, unless I missed something... and you could always take this in a different way too - "as well as those that are still to come" ??

[Leigh]

Stated on the forum several times Cameron...

I'll be buying the one that comes by itself...not interested ion the sister car...

[f1webber]

It seems like Classic's will be building to order as there is no mention of the number to be built other than to say any orders put in before Friday the 22nd of December will be guaranteed. So i suggest everybody who wants one puts there name down today with there dealer and we shoud all be happy campers.

Cheers

[vikings100]

I already did that yesterday, at Whats new in Cranbourne. Hopefully he'll hold one for me, he usually does for most of them.:)

[Buffalo]

Got my order in just now ... Doesn;t matter to me who makes 'em ... Like the Grice Chickadee Commodore - I'm getting both Biante's and CC's !

[biante2959]

Loyalty means alot to me, so I will be waiting for Biante version to be released.Ihave been collecting for about twenty years or more and I have only collected Dinkum Classic and Biantes Cars

[Brutesutes]

Loyalty means alot to me, so I will be waiting for Biante version to be released.Ihave been collecting for about twenty years or more and I have only collected Dinkum Classic and Biantes CarsGreat to be loyal my hat goes off to you, but classics are making the perkins bathurst winners next year, you will be the only collector who's been collecting for twenty years +, without the full bathurst collection ,how loyal are you going to be ??????? :rolleyes:

[05shan]

Anyone know where i could get one in QLD.??? My local shop hasn't even heard of it being made.
Any help would be great.

[Maximus]

What about Gateway Models in Wynnum???

http://www.gatewaymodels.com.au/

Cheers

James

[05shan]

What about Gateway Models in Wynnum???

http://www.gatewaymodels.com.au/

Cheers

James
Thanks mate;)

[Angrydad]

I won't miss the oppurtunity to grab this car as soon as I can - I don't really care who builds it! I missed the 28C Torana and have regretted it ever since - The VK will be the best looking model of all the Brock cars IMHO.

On a side note - do you think whoever builds the '83 bathurst winner will build the 05 car that didn't finish, or the 25 car that crossed the line?

[Oh Five]

well i reckon if they ever build the winner, it will be the 25 car, same as the 10 car in 87;)

[wayno]

I won't miss the oppurtunity to grab this car as soon as I can - I don't really care who builds it! I missed the 28C Torana and have regretted it ever since - The VK will be the best looking model of all the Brock cars IMHO.

On a side note - do you think whoever builds the '83 bathurst winner will build the 05 car that didn't finish, or the 25 car that crossed the line?

1:18 twin pack please! Ditto for 87. Can't have one without the other in my eyes.

[monarocveightz]

Anyone know where i could get one in QLD.??? My local shop hasn't even heard of it being made.
Any help would be great.


BR's model cars are great too.

Probably the best price's and service that i know of.

www.brsmodelcars.com.au (http://www.brsmodelcars.com.au)

[05shan]

1:18 twin pack please! Ditto for 87. Can't have one without the other in my eyes.
Totally agree. Maybe with enough pressure from collectors they might do a twin pack:confused:
Thanks for your help monarocveightz;)

[Poita]

Totally agree. Maybe with enough pressure from collectors they might do a twin pack:confused:
Thanks for your help monarocveightz;)
If you don't have any luck at the other two shops try http://www.angmodels.com.au/contact_us.htm ask for Glenn. They have taken over from Dianne's Models and still have a fair few available for pre order.

[05shan]

BR's model cars are great too.

Probably the best price's and service that i know of.

www.brsmodelcars.com.au (http://www.brsmodelcars.com.au)
Pre-ordered both biante and cc VK Brock Bathurst as well as picked up a 1:64 VL SS Group A. Great shop and great service.
Thanks guys for the help.

[awawaw]

1:18 twin pack please! Ditto for 87. Can't have one without the other in my eyes.


i can see your point but 25 and 10 where the bathurst winners, not 05. the 05's will proberbly get made just because of the brock collection.
but i would of thought the colin bond cobra would of been made as well. i would of liked both 77 and 78 twin sets.

[ferrari fan]

Lets not forget all the other Brock Bathurst/ATCC models that Biante are as yet to release.

[MarkHM]

By my reckoning its around 6am in WA Bert...can't you sleep?

[ferrari fan]

I am an early riser!
Merry Christmas bye the way.

[ferrari fan]

here 2 pics of the 1/43 scale models.
I have mixed the certificates up to stop ebay sharks using them

[ferrari fan]

And this is in 1/64 scale!

[XA Craig]

Hmm...I could be tempted to move to the dark side if they are first cab off the rank (don't worry Nathan, I'll buy yours too)

Mark, why are CC models from the dark side? Have you ever purchased any of there models? Going off your comment i'd say no.

For me personally, being a Ford fan I will definetely be getting this model. Prob be the only Holden model I'll ever own, as it has the looks and the history to go with it. Would look fantastic sitting next to my DJ XE ;)

[ferrari fan]

As a FORD Fan, The racing Holden/Valliant/BMC models are well worth getting.
An A9X or a Monaro also look good next to any FORD model.
How about the little yellow torrie that DJ drove?

[ferrari fan]

Will Bert be making decals for the CC version or waiting ubtil biante make theres in X amount of years?:)

I did make and have on my order sheet the Gallaher King Size Filter decals for the XR GT 1/18 scale.
Yes, I will make them, the decals should fit both models when released as it is the same car.
The Gallaher decals do add to the model and do make it just that little bit more realistic and as promoted.
Here a quick picture to wet the appetide.

[MarkHM]

Mark, why are CC models from the dark side? Have you ever purchased any of there models? Going off your comment i'd say no.

For me personally, being a Ford fan I will definetely be getting this model. Prob be the only Holden model I'll ever own, as it has the looks and the history to go with it. Would look fantastic sitting next to my DJ XE ;)

it was tongue in cheek...and yes I do own some CC models... the first in fact!

[spoonster05]

BR's model cars are great too.

Probably the best price's and service that i know of.

www.brsmodelcars.com.au (http://www.brsmodelcars.com.au)

Thanks for the heads-up, pre-ordered mine along with the Grice/Bailey Bathurst Winner, looks like i'll be ordering a lot more through BR from now on..

[05shan]

Thanks for the heads-up, pre-ordered mine along with the Grice/Bailey Bathurst Winner, looks like i'll be ordering a lot more through BR from now on..
Easy to deal with arent they:D I also ordered the Grice/bailey Chickadee VK as well as the Group A SS VK road car;)

[monarocveightz]

I ordered mine (i decided to get the Biante version for both the Chickadee and the Dayglo) on the weekend through BR's have been going to them for nearly a year now and they are the best shop i have ever dealt with.

[jediholden]

A lot of interest in this model at my dealers shop. 20+ names already and still a year to go.

[whitlam]

A lot of interest in this model at my dealers shop. 20+ names already and still a year to go.

its the same with mine

[Nick Short]

Hm, I went to Kollectable Kaos in Adelaide and Paul there hadn't heard about this release. He phoned the main office and his end of the conversation went "Have you heard anything about the Brock VK being released by Classics?........No, a rumour......OK, thanks". He then turned to me and said that they had contacted CC and been told it was only a rumour.......So no orders being taken......

[Nobes]

Replicars have this on the VK 84 Bathurst Winner:

http://www.replicars.com.au/special21.html

[Tumbo]

CC have sent an order form to retailers so this is no rumour ;)

[Oh Five]

obviously paul has his wires crossed, as my dealer spoke to the 2Ic at CC on friday and he confirmed that holden had given them the go ahead

[ferrari fan]

amazing all the info/advertising on this site and not anywhere else!
Maybe the Brock foundation could shed some light on this?

[Graeme]

I have seen Classic Carlectables order form, #2 of December 2006, and it carries the description of only one item : product item no. 18280 is the 1984 Bathurst Winner in 1:18 scale, due for release in October 2007.

[05shan]

I have seen Classic Carlectables order form, #2 of December 2006, and it carries the description of only one item : product item no. 18280 is the 1984 Bathurst Winner in 1:18 scale, due for release in October 2007.
Hopefully that is cleared up now;)

[MarkHM]

Mutter, mutter, more waiting, mutter, mutter

[f1webber]

Hm, I went to Kollectable Kaos in Adelaide and Paul there hadn't heard about this release. He phoned the main office and his end of the conversation went "Have you heard anything about the Brock VK being released by Classics?........No, a rumour......OK, thanks". He then turned to me and said that they had contacted CC and been told it was only a rumour.......So no orders being taken......

Sounds like "Kollectable Kaos" is a good name for them!!!!
As all orders have to be in by Friday 5th of January lets hope he gets his act together before then. :sleeping:

[NO.5HDT]

If I was to make a 25 out of an 05 can anybody tell me the differences the cars had besides: 25 has "Commodore" in black on the windscreen banner,25 has a VH Commodore exterior mirror,05 has a smaller aerodynamic mirror,05 has "Rocktober" on the front airdam,Brock/Perkins swapped for Harvey/Parsons and 05 for 25.
Cheers,and sorry for the hijack.
Graeme.

[malscar]

Graeme/no5hdt, depends upon which race. Sandown they had the same white letters windscreen strip. Other than that and the differences you list, nothing else comes to mind.

[Nobes]

The only difference other than what you listed No.5HDT, was that at the end of the Bathurst race, #25 had three strips of black gaffa tape placed on the grille down to the top of the bumper. I couldn't see it there at the start of the race, and may have been placed there after Harvey had an off on Lap 10.

[NO.5HDT]

Sandown also had the crook drivers door lock if I remember correctly,and Skippy had to hold her shut for his stint. The "Big Bangers" poster has GTX on the headlamp covers and Castrol on the front guard/wheelarch flare,then changed to just Castrol on the covers. Didn't George Fury bash Slug off after trying to take both him and Grice at Hell corner?
Ithink there was a gear lever issue too somewhere.
Cheers,Graeme.

[Nobes]

Yes Fury knocked Harvey's rear while overtaking Grice and him.

Are you modelling Bathurst or Sandown?

[wayno]

The tape would not be an issue on a code 3 25 car as the cars are modelled on their pre race state.

[Nobes]

Had a look at a couple of other photos and the film of the start of the 84 race (both) and there is no tape on the 25 car at the start, so definately placed on after the 10th lap off subsequent pitstops No.5HDT.

I'll probably buy two 05s and do the same alterations if a twin set (ala 77) isn't done. Look good with the Ford 1,2 and Holden 1,2 together.

[Rob]

Hope they only put one Aussie flag per side next to the drivers names.
On all pre-race PR images there is two flags, one for each name, but
for the race there was only one per side. The full scale restored version
has the two per side which for me is wrong. It should be how it raced.

[ferrari fan]

the 1/43 -1/64 pics of the VK-L HDT have been cleared (Page 6)

[Footy]

the 1/43 -1/64 pics of the VK-L HDT have been cleared (Page 6 )
Try Page 3.:)

[Chev_350]

Try Page 3.:)

page 6 on my end....you must have stuff set up different

[05shan]

the 1/43 -1/64 pics of the VK-L HDT have been cleared (Page 6)
Look good cant wait to get mine.
Page 6 for me;)

[spoonster05]

Page six for me as well, at least until my drool shorted my keyboard and mouse :D

How good do they look, me likely a lot...

[MarkHM]

here 2 pics of the 1/43 scale models.
I have mixed the certificates up to stop ebay sharks using them

Excuse me for starting a riot but, the VL has chrome aerial...they were originally black

[NO.5HDT]

Yes Fury knocked Harvey's rear while overtaking Grice and him.

Are you modelling Bathurst or Sandown?

Most probably Bathurst. It depends how easy it is to put the black "Commodore" in the window banner.:rolleyes: . I forgot about the two flags being changed to one as well....

[05shan]

Excuse me for starting a riot but, the VL has chrome aerial...they were originally black
Pretty sure your right. All the pics that i have show black aerials.
Got my VL Group A today, awesome, still tryin to get a VK.;)

[joker]

Kollectable Kaos in adelaide is now taking preorders for this car.We missed the email with the order on it as we were so busy with the xmas rush.The order is not due until 5th of January 07 so it can still get in.Thanks to Nick for bringing this to my attention.

[Nick Short]

Phew! I can get my order in with Paul now! KK have always been good to me, so I really wanted them to get the business (I was worried the order from might have been buried under Xmas post or something). I'll pop in today or Monday.....

[Footy]

Look good cant wait to get mine.
Page 6 for me;)
I'll retreat back into my hole.:o

[Nick Short]

If CC are making the winner it makes sense for Biante to make the twin set, as how many of those who buy the CC car could resist a twin set? Otherwise I'm sure a lot of people won't want to double up.

[jager]

According to rumours on the street (from a friend of a friend of a friend.....), Holden put the model rights for their entire range up for tender late in 2006, car by car, including both road and racecars.

Biante, CC, Trax and others were all keen bidders, but it seems one of the outcomes of the tender was that CC were successful in winning the rights for the Brock VH (and Biante weren't). It would seem CC will be the only source for this model, until such time as their licence expires.

If this is true, the outcomes of the tender will determine which company makes what Holden models in future. It was always my understanding that Trax produced their models without Holden licences (one of the reasons for their lower price), but won't be able to do so in future. It is also likely to have an impact on the price and quality of Australian models in the future.

This could easily spell the end of some model manufacturers in Australia, unless Holden were wise enough to share around the licences.

[CowboyMatt]

According to rumours on the street (from a friend of a friend of a friend.....), Holden put the model rights for their entire range up for tender late in 2006, car by car, including both road and racecars.

Biante, CC, Trax and others were all keen bidders, but it seems one of the outcomes of the tender was that CC were successful in winning the rights for the Brock VH (and Biante weren't). It would seem CC will be the only source for this model, until such time as their licence expires.

If this is true, the outcomes of the tender will determine which company makes what Holden models in future. It was always my understanding that Trax produced their models without Holden licences (one of the reasons for their lower price), but won't be able to do so in future. It is also likely to have an impact on the price and quality of Australian models in the future.

This could easily spell the end of some model manufacturers in Australia, unless Holden were wise enough to share around the licences.

Interesting information there.

Would hate this to force a model manufacturer out of business.

[Dingo]

This could easily spell the end of some model manufacturers in Australia, unless Holden were wise enough to share around the licences.
s/some/all but one of the/

If that's true, then how wonderfully shortsighted of Holden to do so.

[CowboyMatt]

s/some/all but one of the/

If that's true, then how wonderfully shortsighted of Holden to do so.


Wonder what the legal position is - can Holden legally prohibit a model manufacturer from making a Holden model?

If someone went out of business and they could show just cause (ie: because they couldn't make Holden models - effectively losing half (in rough terms) of their Aust customers) what would be the legal position?

I know I'm speculating a bit here - just wanted to raise the point.

[Dingo]

Wonder what the legal position is - can Holden legally prohibit a model manufacturer from making a Holden model?

If someone went out of business and they could show just cause (ie: because they couldn't make Holden models - effectively losing half (in rough terms) of their Aust customers) what would be the legal position?

I know I'm speculating a bit here - just wanted to raise the point.
IANAL, but I would think that a company going out of business because they couldn't sell a product based upon a similar scenario to the one above would come under the guise of "Too Bad, So Sad". Companies go out of business all the time due to contracts expiring and not being able to replace lost business.

I would suspect (Tumbo, comments please), but Holden may well be able to stop companies making and distributing Holden models without official permission. There may have been no financial or PR reason to stop companies before but, maybe now, the money is right...

[Chev_350]

Wonder what the legal position is - can Holden legally prohibit a model manufacturer from making a Holden model?

of course they can

[ferrari fan]

For a start this is a "street rumor" and there should be still contracts in place from the past.

[inter]

Guess what guys, I have done it , i have ordered this model ( not sure why?)

This will be the first holden that i actually ordered, i havce bought a few in the past but never ordered them.

And I am not swapping to the dark side

[james]

Guess what guys, I have done it , i have ordered this model ( not sure why?)

This will be the first holden that i actually ordered, i havce bought a few in the past but never ordered them.

And I am not swapping to the dark sideWell it certainly reads that way.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!1

[Rob]

Wonder what the legal position is - can Holden legally prohibit a model manufacturer from making a Holden model?


Absolutely. Holden own the intellectual property (that is the design of
their cars etc). HSV have already stopped (or trying to stop) the aftermarket
manufacture of their spoiler kits. Same deal.

Holden have the right to see the reproduction of their vehicles made to
the highest level. So therefore it's their right to see who makes them.
I hardly think that by excluding one or two model makers from modelling
Holdens it will make them go out of business. There is more to motoring
than just Holden.

[texan]

I'd like to hear from Biante whether this is true or not. Especially as orders have to be in by Friday.
Anyone care to comment?

[inter]

I guys,
I was at my friendly local model car shop and he said to me that biante is up for sale???? any thruth to this ( the figure touted is 14mil):confused:

inter

[Tumbo]

there was a thread on this a while ago but it was closed. I doubt we will hear a reply even if it were true and for obvious business reasons

[Footy]

I guys,
I was at my friendly local model car shop and he said to me that biante is up for sale???? any thruth to this ( the figure touted is 14mil):confused:

inter

14Mil,Thats a hell of a lot of models to sell.:)

[Chev_350]

I forsee this thread suddenly diappearing

[inter]

sorry did not mean to ruin the post , admin, please remove my post,

[Footy]

there was a thread on this a while ago but it was closed. I doubt we will hear a reply even if it were true and for obvious business reasons
Inter you obviously did not see the thread,but the question was asked was it Biante and the answer from HQ was that it was not ,just another rumour,stopped in its tracks.

[jager]

I'd like to hear from Biante whether this is true or not. Especially as orders have to be in by Friday.
Anyone care to comment?

The Biante website lists 151 Australian cars as "Development Approved", but the Brock VK isn't one of them. Surely if Biante had serious plans to produce this model it would already be listed under "Development Approved" on the website - after all they list the 1986 Chickadee car :

http://www.biante.com.au/product_18380.htm

[XA Craig]

The Biante website lists 151 Australian cars as "Development Approved", but the Brock VK isn't one of them. Surely if Biante had serious plans to produce this model it would already be listed under "Development Approved" on the website - after all they list the 1986 Chickadee car :

http://www.biante.com.au/product_18380.htm

jager, maybe its a plan mate. Just before CC release there model......Biante come out with there version. Thats what
I would do ;)

[Nick Short]

They have until October at least! When I inquired unsuccessfully about the CC release I was told I could put my name down for the Biante one instead, as they were taking orders for it. There must be some cogwheels turning behind the scenes but not being publicised too much.

[Graeme]

As evidenced by our website News item 'Biante Special Announcement' dated 6th October 2006, Biante has chosen not to develop a scale model version of the VE Commodore and accordingly we are not going to be involved with producing diecast models of the 2007 season V8 Supercars.

I am not aware of any current restrictions with regard to Biante producing scale models of other Holden cars.

[jager]

Graeme, thanks for taking the time to comment and clarify the situation, but you haven't actually answered the question.

Are Biante making the Brock VK in 2007 - Yes or No ?

[cooper1117]

Graeme won't roll over that easy :D Read between the lines, add 2 plus 2 and get 15 :D :D

[Leigh]

The Biante website lists 151 Australian cars as "Development Approved", but the Brock VK isn't one of them. Surely if Biante had serious plans to produce this model it would already be listed under "Development Approved" on the website - after all they list the 1986 Chickadee car :

http://www.biante.com.au/product_18380.htm
Those 151 in "Development Approved" are remnants of the old policy of informing us "the collectors" early on in the development process...Biante stated on here early last year that they would no longer give us the early heads-up of models in development due to the people who complain about models taking 2-3 years from development approved to release:(...I dare-say we will now only find out about models 3-6 months in advance, or when CC announce their version 3-6 months out from release:rolleyes:...

[Richard Poole]

Graeme, thanks for taking the time to comment and clarify the situation, but you haven't actually answered the question.

Are Biante making the Brock VK in 2007 - Yes or No ?

Yes we are making the Brock VK, we've been saying for years that it will be made and plans haven't changed. What would our Peter Brock Collection be without it? The reason it isn't listed on the site is we are not yet willing to announce times or other details. When we are they will be posted on the website and in the weekly newsletter. I remember a few years ago at a collector dinner in Adelaide a member of this forum was demanding to know when this car would be released. When I explained we didn't have a date confirmed so anything I gave him would be wrong he pushed even harder. Any dates that have been given out by stores for the Biante version of this model are their own estimates and have not been provided by Biante. People get shirty when they hear dates that aren't met. We've been bitten by that before. It's even worse when we didn't even confirm that date.

Rest assured, it is coming, it will be all from brand new tooling, and it will be fantastic. The very last conversation I had with Peter was in the Versace hotel on the Gold Coast and he was so excited about this model it wasn't funny. One thing he did mention was that he would love to see it made as a twin pack of both cars. It was rare that Peter would make any sort of requests like that for models as he trusted Trevor's judgement but with this one he was extremely interested. I promised him then that this car will be the pinnacle of the Biante Brock collection and have no intention of letting him down.

[Richard Poole]

Absolutely. Holden own the intellectual property (that is the design of
their cars etc). HSV have already stopped (or trying to stop) the aftermarket
manufacture of their spoiler kits. Same deal.

Holden have the right to see the reproduction of their vehicles made to
the highest level. So therefore it's their right to see who makes them.
I hardly think that by excluding one or two model makers from modelling
Holdens it will make them go out of business. There is more to motoring
than just Holden.

Holden own the rights to the VK Commodore race car. The team itself own the rights to the race team IP (livery etc).

[jager]

Yes.

That's all we wanted to know. Thanks.

[Rob]

Holden own the rights to the VK Commodore race car. The team itself own the rights to the race team IP (livery etc).

The actual design of the car was what I was alluding too. The livery remains
the property of who ever can best work out the copyright laws.

[cooper1117]

.

" The very last conversation I had with Peter was in the Versace hotel on the Gold Coast and he was so excited about this model it wasn't funny. One thing he did mention was that he would love to see it made as a twin pack of both cars." ......" I promised him then that this car will be the pinnacle of the Biante Brock collection and have no intention of letting him down."

That answers it for a lot of people. Twin pack on the way and will be well worth the wait. Richard, if you keep your promise to Peter, then we will all be rewarded with a fantastic car(s)

Good things come to those who wait:D

[ferrari fan]

all cleared up, me thinks.

[wayno]

Rest assured, it is coming, it will be all from brand new tooling, and it will be fantastic. The very last conversation I had with Peter was in the Versace hotel on the Gold Coast and he was so excited about this model it wasn't funny. One thing he did mention was that he would love to see it made as a twin pack of both cars. It was rare that Peter would make any sort of requests like that for models as he trusted Trevor's judgement but with this one he was extremely interested. I promised him then that this car will be the pinnacle of the Biante Brock collection and have no intention of letting him down.

So twin pack it is then? Sign me up now for the front of the line! :cool:

[ferrari fan]

Hope it is a wide front line, as I is claiming also a frontal position,( have to make some exact fitting 'missingdecals' for you you all, remember?)
Man the twin pack will go very well with my recently accuired 1984 "HDT thank you, Peter Brock" trophy!
I am making room now for them!

[Nobes]

So twin pack it is then? Sign me up now for the front of the line! :cool:

Queue Jumper!!! ;) :D :)

[wayno]

Queue Jumper!!! ;) :D :)

I've wanted a twin pack in 1:18 of this ever since it was first mooted. Just hope that this is how its' made.

[Dingo]

The actual design of the car was what I was alluding too. The livery remains
the property of who ever can best work out the copyright laws.
Or whomever has the biggest chequebook...

[Nobes]

I've wanted a twin pack in 1:18 of this ever since it was first mooted. Just hope that this is how its' made.

Yes so did the rest of us!! ;) :)

[texan]

Thanks Richard.

[mick xu1]

Hope it is a wide front line, as I is claiming also a frontal position,( have to make some exact fitting 'missingdecals' for you you all, remember?)
Man the twin pack will go very well with my recently accuired 1984 "HDT thank you, Peter Brock" trophy!
I am making room now for them!

Hey Bert, i will take a Twin decal pack please.......also with regards to the 84 Trophy there is one on Ebay at the moment for about $68.00
Item number: 120070525831.....looks good

Good news about the Twin Pack........thanks Richard

[WiKo]

gday all. im new ere and trying to get the hang of this thread thing. Its good to c that they have this type of thing out there. im an avid HOLDEN collector lookin to meet new friends with the same interest

[Dingo]

Hey Bert, i will take a Twin decal pack please.......also with regards to the 84 Trophy there is one on Ebay at the moment for about $68.00
Item number: 120070525831.....looks good
Ummm.....what do you need two for Bert? :D

[ferrari fan]

Hey Bert, i will take a Twin decal pack please.......also with regards to the 84 Trophy there is one on Ebay at the moment for about $68.00
Item number: 120070525831.....looks good

Good news about the Twin Pack........thanks Richard

Thank you for the heads up, it is another one of the very few that were issued.
The aluminium part of the trophy screws apart at the stem and it is a miniature of the real trophy issued to the winners for quiet some years.
THIS is a real HDT Peter Brock memory lane item.
And exactly the same as mine.
Cannot for the world fathom why one would sell something like that.
Never mind lets go bidding.

[ferrari fan]

Ummm.....what do you need two for Bert? :D
cause maybe I can, and now the twinpack has been announced...........

[WiKo]

is that the fluro vk? u guyz r talkin bout
Love to own dat 1

[wayno]

is that the fluro vk? u guyz r talkin bout
Love to own dat 1

That's the one mate. It's often called the 'big banger due to the 'last of the big bangers' poster that was released of the car at the time.

[WiKo]

sweet i have been toungnin 4 dat 1 to be b released october great me bithday i no wot im gettin:D

[WiKo]

does eny1 no y Biante r gettin out of v8's

[spoonster05]

Definitely on pre-order for me otherwise I'd be trying to plug my ADSL into a tree trunk up at Bathurst to get one off the site if it's slated for early October release

[Dingo]

cause maybe I can
I approve of this answer :D

[ferrari fan]

Yeah and the release will have the same effect on da server me thinks.
Happy to have a Commo collector on board, welcome, but howsabout not shortning wordings, cause yours is fully sicko
Only jokin me matey.
Have a ball

I was hopin yes be a FORD man, ahh yer canna be a winner all the time, cannyes.

[vr-x3500]

Definitely on pre-order for me otherwise I'd be trying to plug my ADSL into a tree trunk up at Bathurst to get one off the site if it's slated for early October release

Just don't strap your order to a kangaroo up there, we all know what happens to them;)

[WiKo]

thank 4 tha warm welcome guyz does eny of yaz no where or if u can get rick kellys Buick 1-18th from Shanghai???????

[ferrari fan]

Ohh never thought about that one.
Never mind I'll drag my lapper up sulman park and with my green little box plugged in we can still access the W.W.W.

[vr-x3500]

does eny1 no y Biante r gettin out of v8's

Welcome Wiko, if you look here http://forums.biante.com.au/showthread.php?t=8413 your question will be answered ;)

[wayno]

Ohh never thought about that one.
Never mind I'll drag my lapper up sulman park and with my green little box plugged in we can still access the W.W.W.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Maybe there is a use for you after all! :D

[inter]

is that the fluro vk? u guyz r talkin bout
Love to own dat 1

is this english????

[Nobes]

Welcome Wiko. :)

[WiKo]

thx vr-x3500 i just found out bit behind da times so CC will be tha VE BF models?

[WiKo]

thx nobes great to b ere. lookin 4ward to get to no ever1. its good to no there other die cast heads out there

[ferrari fan]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Maybe there is a use for you after all! :D

Never shoot/sell an old horse, she might have still a trick up her tail.
We might even broadcast pics direct from the action to this forum, but only of the action on the track mind you.

[gab73]

thx nobes great to b ere. lookin 4ward to get to no ever1. its good to no there other die cast heads out there

Hi and welcome.
Any reason why you can't spell properly

[AmonFan]

Hi and welcome.
Any reason why you can't spell properly

Perhaps we are just all old and are not up to the net/msn/sms abreviated way of communicating, lol

[WiKo]

Na just short cutting didnt think u had to b artculated

[gab73]

Na just short cutting didnt think u had to b artculated

Sorry i didn't mean to offend you, it just makes it difficult reading your posts.

[Buffalo]

is that the fluro vk? u guyz r talkin bout
Love to own dat 1

Welcome Wiko - but mate I cannot understand a word y're saying :D .... maybe you can teach me and a few others ! How about you start a new thread with some more lingo ?

Actually - in all seriousness - I find myself using www.urbandictionary.com (http://www.urbandictionary.com) to look up more and more words and acronyms these days ;)

[Chev_350]

Perhaps we are just all old and are not up to the net/msn/sms abreviated way of communicating, lol

no, I am of that generation and can barely understand

[WiKo]

ok i will speak proper english LOL for all of u guyz. sorry im used to shorting words when im typing.

[spoonster05]

Never shoot/sell an old horse, she might have still a trick up her tail.
We might even broadcast pics direct from the action to this forum, but only of the action on the track mind you.

Sometimes the off-track action is more exciting though !! :p

[monarocveightz]

Thanks Richard for clearing it up, i can't wait for it to come out, also when did you speak to PB in the Versace, was it about July 2006?

also Bert you can count me in for the decals, i'm sure you will do a great job as always.

[ferrari fan]

Peter Champion I think it was that Richard was talking to, as he is the actual owner/restorer/financier of the real un Big Banger.

[wayno]

I think Richard is referring to the great man Bert. ;)

[ferrari fan]

Me bad, me very bad, ahh you knew this anyway.
I'll hide in a corner.

[athol]

Thank you for the heads up, it is another one of the very few that were issued.
The aluminium part of the trophy screws apart at the stem and it is a miniature of the real trophy issued to the winners for quiet some years.
THIS is a real HDT Peter Brock memory lane item.
And exactly the same as mine.
Cannot for the world fathom why one would sell something like that.
Never mind lets go bidding.

Oh Dear, my son in law would be indebted to me forever if I got him that for his Birthday next month, he is a Holden Dealer and a Peter Brock fanatic, don't fancy bidding against Bert though.


Athol.

[wayno]

I was thinking of having a go myself, but it seems there are people with far more disposable cash than me bidding so I will not bother. :(

[texan]

Hey Bert, i will take a Twin decal pack please.......also with regards to the 84 Trophy there is one on Ebay at the moment for about $68.00
Item number: 120070525831.....looks good

Good news about the Twin Pack........thanks Richard

Looking at this auction & then a few others I notice that you can now see the bidders id.
Did Ebay get rid of that stupid bidder 1 bidder 2 business?

[whitlam]

I was thinking of having a go myself, but it seems there are people with far more disposable cash than me bidding so I will not bother. :(

and who do you think is the top bidder? :rolleyes: @ $154 already:eek:

Looking at this auction & then a few others I notice that you can now see the bidders id.
Did Ebay get rid of that stupid bidder 1 bidder 2 business?

I never got the bidder 1, bidder 2 carp mine always showed the bidders ID :confused:

[whitlam]

and who do you think is the top bidder? :rolleyes: @ $154 already:eek:

by the time I wrote that its already shot up to $202.50 and bert has been out bid (for now) ;)

and check out who the first bidder is...somehow I don't think so :rolleyes:

[athol]

by the time I wrote that its already shot up to $202.50 and bert has been out bid (for now) ;)

and check out who the first bidder is...somehow I don't think so :rolleyes:

Looks like a very dedicated fan, he paid a dollar for a hdt torn plastic bag from 1984, any guesses on what it will eventually sell for.

Athol.

[whitlam]

Looks like a very dedicated fan, he paid a dollar for a hdt torn plastic bag from 1984, any guesses on what it will eventually sell for.

Athol.

who knows theres still a week to go

[ferrari fan]

Ialready got one of these, and do not realy want another one if it goes to a fellow collector, so I will not bid anymore.
Silly to drive up the price for you fellow collectors.
The first one, I did get, I did pay less than $300 for!!
While I did have a MUCH larger amount as my max as not to be outbid.
It was a suprise of how little I did get it for!
It was listed in not the best fassion.
I have since had a little plate made for the back which states the original receipiants name and function, as this was who it was was given to by P.Brock, Managing Director HDT!
So good luck and GET IT!for the troops.

[Richard Poole]

Thanks Richard for clearing it up, i can't wait for it to come out, also when did you speak to PB in the Versace, was it about July 2006?

also Bert you can count me in for the decals, i'm sure you will do a great job as always.

It was a few days before the Queensland V8 round. HSV had their dealer launch for the VE at the Versace. Bev and I went over and Peter was staying across the road (Sheraton?) as he was up there with Holden for some VE drive days.

[ferrari fan]

Ialready got one of these, and do not realy want another one if it goes to a fellow collector, so I will not bid anymore.
Silly to drive up the price for you fellow collectors.
The first one, I did get, I did pay less than $300 for!!
While I did have a MUCH larger amount as my max as not to be outbid.
It was a suprise of how little I did get it for!
It was listed in not the best fassion.
I have since had a little plate made for the back which states the original receipiants name and function, as this was who it was was given to by P.Brock, Managing Director HDT!
So good luck and GET IT!for the troops.

Here a picture of mine sitting in it's place waiting for the 1980-1984 winners to appear in my little cabinet of Bathurst winners.
What a great collection it is, without Trevors forsight and determination, there would not be a possibility to have all these wonderfull Bathurst models.
Also have the 2 plagues hanging on the side.

[whitlam]

Also have the 2 plagues

The Plague can't be good to have let alone 2;)

sorry it had to be said :D

[spoonster05]

The Plague can't be good to have let alone 2;)

sorry it had to be said :D

That's alright, once the plagues get him we can claim his model collection... :D ;)

[whitlam]

That's alright, once the plagues get him we can claim his model collection... :D ;)

ROTFLMAO :D:D

[Chev_350]

That's alright, once the plagues get him we can claim his model collection... :D ;)

LMAO :D

[AmonFan]

Spoonster you're a funny guy ;) but we should'nt encourage you, lol

[ferrari fan]

Yes we should, as it ofsets the not so funny issues
OK flat plated winners trophies,
As Moxo said once to me; keep it short and simple.

[CowboyMatt]

Looking at this auction & then a few others I notice that you can now see the bidders id.
Did Ebay get rid of that stupid bidder 1 bidder 2 business?


I thought Bidder 1, 2 etc. only applies for items where the price is above $250.

[texan]

I thought Bidder 1, 2 etc. only applies for items where the price is above $250.

Thanks Cowboy Matt, I didn't realise that. That certainly explains it.

[monarocveightz]

It was a few days before the Queensland V8 round. HSV had their dealer launch for the VE at the Versace. Bev and I went over and Peter was staying across the road (Sheraton?) as he was up there with Holden for some VE drive days.


Thanks Richard, the last time i saw Brocky was in July, and he was happily talking to me about the 48-215 (FX) he was about to race in Goodwood. Little did i know that it would be the last time :(

also thanks for replying and also for making the twin set- i can't wait i am glad i orriginally put my name down for Biante's and not CC's now

[ferrari fan]

For having another drool sesion over this machine, just get Australian Muscle Car ed.#18 out.

[VXfan]

Have I missed something here?I can't see anywhere where Richard has said anything about a twin-set?
Cheers,
Tony.

[CowboyMatt]

Have I missed something here?I can't see anywhere where Richard has said anything about a twin-set?
Cheers,
Tony.


Tony,

See Richard's post on p12 of this thread (not sure how to multi-quote).

Mentions that PB told him he would have liked to see a twin set.

[Maximus]

The very last conversation I had with Peter was in the Versace hotel on the Gold Coast and he was so excited about this model it wasn't funny. One thing he did mention was that he would love to see it made as a twin pack of both cars. It was rare that Peter would make any sort of requests like that for models as he trusted Trevor's judgement but with this one he was extremely interested. I promised him then that this car will be the pinnacle of the Biante Brock collection and have no intention of letting him down.

Tony, He doesn't ACTUALLY SAY that it will be a twin pack but from his comments we have all assumed it wil be.

Cheers

James

[VXfan]

Ok.
Can't say I am too bothered about a twin pack in 1/18 but I would happily take one in either 1/43 or 1/64.:)
I only want winning cars in 1/18 which is why I won't pay for a 1977 twin-set as the Bond car doesn't interest me.
Cheers,
Tony.

[Footy]

[quote=ferrari fan;175572
,
As Moxo said once to me; keep it short and simple.[/quote]

Yea ,but you are neither short nor simple!:D

[CowboyMatt]

Ok.
Can't say I am too bothered about a twin pack in 1/18 but I would happily take one in either 1/43 or 1/64.:)
I only want winning cars in 1/18 which is why I won't pay for a 1977 twin-set as the Bond car doesn't interest me.
Cheers,
Tony.

The most famous finish in history - and you always have to ask if Moffat really won or did Bond let him win?

As far as '84 that was a completely staged affair.

[brchi17]

Tony,

See Richard's post on p12 of this thread (not sure how to multi-quote).

Mentions that PB told him he would have liked to see a twin set.

you mean this one (http://forums.biante.com.au/showpost.php?p=175405&postcount=118) ;)

[CowboyMatt]

you mean this one (http://forums.biante.com.au/showpost.php?p=175405&postcount=118) ;)


That's it - I have yet to learn the intricacies of pasting multiple quotes in a reply.

And while Richard doesn't specifically say Biante will make a twin set, I think it's a fairly strong hint.

[Nobes]

The most famous finish in history - and you always have to ask if Moffat really won or did Bond let him win?

As far as '84 that was a completely staged affair.

Yes both the 77 and 84 were staged, but they made great photos :)

[CowboyMatt]

Yes both the 77 and 84 were staged, but they made great photos :)


In '77 they were on the same lap and the form finish was the actual margin of victory.

In '84 Brock was in no danger of losing - he was a couple of laps ahead and cruising at the end, waving to the crowd while he waited for Parsons to catch up. Wasn't quite the same thing for me.

They both make great photos - pity the '77 one was in Black & White.

[VXfan]

They both make great photos - pity the '77 one was in Black & White.
Most the Ford bathurst victories were in black and white weren't they?:p (sorry,couldn't resist!)
Cheers,
Tony.

[Nobes]

In '77 they were on the same lap and the form finish was the actual margin of victory.

In '84 Brock was in no danger of losing - he was a couple of laps ahead and cruising at the end, waving to the crowd while he waited for Parsons to catch up. Wasn't quite the same thing for me.

They both make great photos - pity the '77 one was in Black & White.

They were both staged then I would say to be fair.

To me, and I was there, they were the same thing each time. The number 1 car first, number 2 car second.

So I guess we can agree to disagree if you like, and yes, the B&W photo of the 77 (when there were colour ones) is a pity.

[CowboyMatt]

Most the Ford bathurst victories were in black and white weren't they?:p (sorry,couldn't resist!)
Cheers,
Tony.

Good one Tony.

Colour was around in 77 - never understood how they didn't get a colour photo of the finish.

[VXfan]

Good one Tony.

Colour was around in 77 - never understood how they didn't get a colour photo of the finish.
Must admit,that is strange.
I fully understand people wanting the '77 and '84 in 1/18 twin-set form but just not my cuppa tea.
Cheers,
Tony.

[ferrari fan]

actualy, Harvey tried to pass Peter, according to the AMC article, and being blinded by the sun did not help.
Peter had to block Harvs as to get the desired result.

[Nobes]

actualy, Harvey tried to pass Peter, according to the AMC article, and being blinded by the sun did not help.
Peter had to block Harvs as to get the desired result.

It was Parsons FF, but you are correct, he only caught PB on the last corner, and the sun was in his eyes.

[brchi17]

In '77 they were on the same lap and the form finish was the actual margin of victory.

In '84 Brock was in no danger of losing - he was a couple of laps ahead and cruising at the end, waving to the crowd while he waited for Parsons to catch up. Wasn't quite the same thing for me.....

You're right, after the original, it's seems like just another cheap knock off :p :D LOL !!!

[singer]

Most the Ford bathurst victories were in black and white weren't they?:p (sorry,couldn't resist!)
Cheers,
Tony.
Ford doesn't need to be colourful they're just too quick:p

[ferrari fan]

ALSO the company was racing in 1903 with a real un i.e. big 'arse'Cubes donk and WON!

[malscar]

Most the Ford bathurst victories were in black and white weren't they?:p (sorry,couldn't resist!)
Cheers,
Tony.

There is a colour one of this finish in 'Ford a racing history' on pg 181. Taken from the left rear quarter. Not as good as the front on one could have been.

As to 'most', who cares, the most important one (last) is in colour.:D


(by the way, I have no allegiance brand wise since they went NAStaxis, only drivers)

[bev]

Or whomever has the biggest chequebook...

More importantly the exclusive licence, which we still hold......

[bev]

According to rumours on the street (from a friend of a friend of a friend.....), Holden put the model rights for their entire range up for tender late in 2006, car by car, including both road and racecars.

Biante, CC, Trax and others were all keen bidders, but it seems one of the outcomes of the tender was that CC were successful in winning the rights for the Brock VH (and Biante weren't). It would seem CC will be the only source for this model, until such time as their licence expires.

If this is true, the outcomes of the tender will determine which company makes what Holden models in future. It was always my understanding that Trax produced their models without Holden licences (one of the reasons for their lower price), but won't be able to do so in future. It is also likely to have an impact on the price and quality of Australian models in the future.

This could easily spell the end of some model manufacturers in Australia, unless Holden were wise enough to share around the licences.

You certainly did not hear the story correctly. There were two parts to the tender, HRT VE race cars and every other Holden. We still hold the second part, which is every other Holden other than HRT VE. Drivers contracts are nothing to do with Holden (or Ford), We still hold ALL of our exclusive driver contracts. Trax did not tender - see statement above.

We will continue to make cars in a steady flow, so that collectors can afford to add to their collections. This supposed rushing from 2 manufacturers (0ne without a licence) will not do your budgets any good and also you will have nothing to collect if they are all flooded into the market place, rather than going for many, many years to come.

[Dingo]

If this is true, the outcomes of the tender will determine which company makes what Holden models in future. It was always my understanding that Trax produced their models without Holden licences (one of the reasons for their lower price), but won't be able to do so in future.
Not according to the latest Top Gear catalog...

[hobby]

Yes we are making the Brock VK, we've been saying for years that it will be made and plans haven't changed. What would our Peter Brock Collection be without it? The reason it isn't listed on the site is we are not yet willing to announce times or other details. When we are they will be posted on the website and in the weekly newsletter. I remember a few years ago at a collector dinner in Adelaide a member of this forum was demanding to know when this car would be released. When I explained we didn't have a date confirmed so anything I gave him would be wrong he pushed even harder. Any dates that have been given out by stores for the Biante version of this model are their own estimates and have not been provided by Biante. People get shirty when they hear dates that aren't met. We've been bitten by that before. It's even worse when we didn't even confirm that date.

Rest assured, it is coming, it will be all from brand new tooling, and it will be fantastic. The very last conversation I had with Peter was in the Versace hotel on the Gold Coast and he was so excited about this model it wasn't funny. One thing he did mention was that he would love to see it made as a twin pack of both cars. It was rare that Peter would make any sort of requests like that for models as he trusted Trevor's judgement but with this one he was extremely interested. I promised him then that this car will be the pinnacle of the Biante Brock collection and have no intention of letting him down.

This is the type of dedication that makes biante my prefered model maker



,

[Chev_350]

More importantly the exclusive licence, which we still hold......

Then how come "the other mob" are doing the car aswell?

[bev]

Then how come "the other mob" are doing the car aswell?

They must like the fan mail they keep receiving from lawyers.

[ratbag-racing]

They must like the fan mail they keep receiving from lawyers.

lol good answer

[toddy05]

I shall get the Classic as the 84 Dayglo is the ultimate and when Biante comes out with their, I shall get it and decide which one to keep....

[cooper1117]

They must like the fan mail they keep receiving from lawyers.

Bev,

Can Biante stop the production of the car by CC? Are you intersted in doing so or is it up to Holden to take up the fight?

I know you may not be able to answer but just interested if anyone can stop the production of a non-licenced product. Because if it can not be stopped then what is the value of an exclusive agreement with a manufacturer??

[toddy05]

Unless they got the license from one of the car's sponsors? Would that have been possible or is it just plain unlicensed?

[cooper1117]

Unless they got the license from one of the car's sponsors? Would that have been possible or is it just plain unlicensed?

Wow that is interesting, but how could it be possible? HDT was owned by Brock (I think), Marlboro are the only other major sponsor, and they can not have their sponsorship on the car due to tabacco laws, TAA is non existant, the radio stations and Castrol were minor sponsors. If minor sponsors are able to agree to a licience, thus enabling the whole car to be produced then there is something wrong with the system. It would be like a minority shareholder making all the decisions in a business.

One thing is for certain, the person to make the most out of this type of situation is a LAWER:D

[Graeme]

cooper :

HDT was owned by Brocky in the early 1980s and it still exists today, albeit located in Sydney, as HDT Special Vehicles Operations P/L. The company still builds specialised Holden-based road cars and amongst other paraphernalia, they also retain the build records for all HDT road cars that began with the VC HDT Commodore in 1980.

Take a look at their website : www.hdt.com.au

[monarocveightz]

cooper :

HDT was owned by Brocky in the early 1980s and it still exists today, albeit located in Sydney, as HDT Special Vehicles Operations P/L. The company still builds specialised Holden-based road cars and amongst other paraphernalia, they also retain the build records for all HDT road cars that began with the VC HDT Commodore in 1980.

Take a look at their website : www.hdt.com.au (http://www.hdt.com.au)

I never knew they still exsisted, i thought that when the HDT morphed into the HRT i thought HDT went after the polariser and was replaced by HSV.

[szwadiak100]

Have you never heard of the VN and VR/S Aeros then?

[fomoco04]

They must like the fan mail they keep receiving from lawyers.

Bev, am I correct in assuming that what they are doing could be illegal? If it is'nt why bid for the licences at all?

[cooper1117]

On the CC forum the CC representative is saying they have the correct licence to produce the 84 VK. Sounds like it is up to interpretaion and what the lawers will be able to fight out. Sounds like an exclusive agreement may have loopholes which can be exploited. Looks like a pending two model supply on the 84VK, but only one will be a twin pack!!

[Pug205]

Well I have had a pre-order put through for me on the CC version this week.

This will be the only Holden in my collection and I cant think of a more iconic car to represent both Brock and Holden.

I collect the models I like and am not concerned which company has made them. I have said before I think we are lucky to be the situation of having two companies producing quality models of Aussie race/road cars and competition makes us the consumer the winner in the end.

[CowboyMatt]

I collect the models I like and am not concerned which company has made them. I have said before I think we are lucky to be the situation of having two companies producing quality models of Aussie race/road cars and competition makes us the consumer the winner in the end.

Can't argue with that.

[monarocveightz]

Have you never heard of the VN and VR/S Aeros then?

Forgot about them, well i didn't know about them after the early 90's then.

also my name was down for the Biante one as i was ummming and arrring at which one to get, i ultimately decided on the Biante one as it's part of the official Brock Collection and that he would have approved it.

nothing against CC though

[WiKo]

Forgot about them, well i didn't know about them after the early 90's then.

also my name was down for the Biante one as i was ummming and arrring at which one to get, i ultimately decided on the Biante one as it's part of the official Brock Collection and that he would have approved it.

nothing against CC though

How do you put your name for the dayglo, I very much wish to purchuse it. And would be livid if Imissed out. I thought that it would be on the advance orders but its not.:confused:

[monarocveightz]

How do you put your name for the dayglo, I very much wish to purchuse it. And would be livid if Imissed out. I thought that it would be on the advance orders but its not.:confused:


You can't do it on Biante, they haven't put it on the website and i doubt they will let anyone preorder it as it will be extremely popular. I pre-ordered it through the model shop i go to. the shop i got is www.brsmodelcars.com.au (http://www.brsmodelcars.com.au) , they are in queensland and will post elsewhere, i have found them to be very helpful and have the best prices in QLD if not the rest of Aus.

[WiKo]

thanks monarocveightz give them a look cee

[toddy05]

On the CC forum the CC representative is saying they have the correct licence to produce the 84 VK. Sounds like it is up to interpretaion and what the lawers will be able to fight out. Sounds like an exclusive agreement may have loopholes which can be exploited. Looks like a pending two model supply on the 84VK, but only one will be a twin pack!!

Then maybe it is licensed from the current owner? A la Moffatt's 65E (?Ithink)

[Tumbo]

If there is an exclusive licence and CC try and get around that then there will be a lot of issues and the potential for an injunction preventing the car's release ;)

[toddy05]

perhaps 65e has set the precedent who knows...

[brchi17]

On the CC forum the CC representative is saying they have the correct licence to produce the 84 VK......

But does that person actually exist ???

I know a forum member who rung SMS & asked to talk to this person & they told him that no one of that name worked there......:confused:

[Footy]

Who Knows,but the name Steven Collins seems to bob up a fair bit,normaly with up to date info.
Could be a conspiracy.:)

[athol]

Ialready got one of these, and do not realy want another one if it goes to a fellow collector, so I will not bid anymore.
Silly to drive up the price for you fellow collectors.
The first one, I did get, I did pay less than $300 for!!
While I did have a MUCH larger amount as my max as not to be outbid.
It was a suprise of how little I did get it for!
It was listed in not the best fassion.
I have since had a little plate made for the back which states the original receipiants name and function, as this was who it was was given to by P.Brock, Managing Director HDT!
So good luck and GET IT!for the troops.

Item has been pulled by the seller, I am not impressed, was looking foreward to Thurs morning.

Athol.

[jager]

They must like the fan mail they keep receiving from lawyers.

24 Hour Monaro
'71 Bathurst Winner
'84 Brock VK

Seems to me you need better lawyers :)

[diecastaddict]

Steven Collins



Joined: 04 Jun 2003
Posts: 378
Location: South Australia
http://216.127.76.111/~ccforum.net/templates/subSi lver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://216.127.76.111/~ccforum.net/viewtopic.php? p=43905#43905)Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: http://216.127.76.111/~ccforum.net/templates/subSi lver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif (http://216.127.76.111/~ccforum.net/posting.php?mo de=quote&p=43905) To Brutesutes and others
Classic Carlectables is part of the Southern Model Group and we have been in the model hobby business in Australia for over 50 years. We are regarded as a professional operation. We are regularly voted by dealers and retailers as the No 1 model hobby distributor in Australia and have won this award again in 2005 and 2006. One of our products (Traxxas radio control) was also voted model hobby product of the year for 2006.
Classic Carlectables has a large investment in diecast models. We have our own design team, our own research team and we own all of the
tooling which is unusual for the industry but gives us much greater control of the entire production process.
We have never produced a model without all of the necessary licencing being completed before we begin and of course this is the case with the VK Group C and all other models which are currently in our tooling schedule.
Regards
Steven Collins
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[Footy]

Item has been pulled by the seller, I am not impressed, was looking foreward to Thurs morning.

Athol.
I dont believe it,Thurs was going to be my day,How can it be pulled with so many bids,I emailed the guy and he never suggested that he was pulling it (the item),Ok..... off to the what cheeses me off thread I go:mad: ,

[athol]

I dont believe it,Thurs was going to be my day,How can it be pulled with so many bids,I emailed the guy and he never suggested that he was pulling it (the item),Ok..... off to the what cheeses me off thread I go:mad: ,

He was a silly boy, assuming someone made him an offer he could not refuse, I has a whip around from my family, my bid would have been very generous.

Athol.

[halbster]

I know that this is a CC model, but judging by the popularity of the Brock cars of late, I thought I had better get a pre-order in.

Called the retail outlet and they put me on the list. They have not submitted order numbers to CC yet. This is sure to be one popular model.

[spoonster05]

Definitely not missing out on this one, got pre-order in very early at 3 places after losing my Brock Porsche pre-oder by trusting just the one retailer...

[AmonFan]

Definitely not missing out on this one, got pre-order in very early at 3 places after losing my Brock Porsche pre-oder by trusting just the one retailer...

So Spoonster are you going to buy 3? :p

[spoonster05]

So Spoonster are you going to buy 3? :p

Could always swap one for a Brock Porsche... ;)

But to be fair to other collectors after I'd secured one I'd ask the other retailers to take my name off their list and bump someone else up their list

[halbster]

3 pre-orders. This is the first one i have pre-ordered. The retailer always seems to get plenty of stock for the shelves, so hopefully they should get enough.

[toddy05]

Since the manufacturers seem to be making what is ordered from the stockists (who preorder via customers plus some) and then add a percentage for unseen demand, what do we think of us all ordering 3 each through 3 different suppliers which would triple the production run and thus influence an oversupply.....Would that happen? I can understand wanting to secure an order and maybe even through 2 stockists but if we all do this .....

[AmonFan]

Could always swap one for a Brock Porsche... ;)

But to be fair to other collectors after I'd secured one I'd ask the other retailers to take my name off their list and bump someone else up their list

Ok , lol... You put your name down, then a guy calls the shop up asks if they can help him but they cant as the orders are full ;)

[spoonster05]

But I got burnt by trusting one supplier with the Brock Porsche, the 1984 car will once again cause agro for ordering from the Biante site so not going to risk that, with 3 pre-orders I should be guaranteed of at least securing the car for my collection

And fair point there AmonFan but if we are to compete with the sharks who are not serious about collecting and order 3 or 4 to sell immediately on Ebay for maximum profit this may be the only way to go, unless there is a better way that I'm not aware of ?

[Leigh]

What happened in the dark past (circa ~1998-1999):

Biante cars were taking off, and selling out before hitting the shops...people ordered multiples from different shops to "ensure" they got one...shops ordered what they needed to cover orders plus some for the shelf...many people cancelled orders after delivery because they secured one through "somebody else"...shops got shafted, so next time they ordered the exact amount for orders, expecting cancellations to allow shelf stock...shops got shafted again so now many order less than what is required to fill orders...

If you order and cancel (even with good intentions) then you are your own worst enemy:rolleyes:

[monarocveightz]

I ordered the Biante one for when they make it,, only because it's part of the offical Brock collection and i have no need for two of them (1 Biante and 1 CC)

[spoonster05]

Have just spoken to a supplier and paid in advance for the VK's to guarantee I get them, if it's any extra then I'll pay the difference so the other pre-order I had isn't required now, I have advised the other shop in question to scrub my name of their list so now the other dealers will not be stuck with orderinf an extra model for me that I don't need...

The 3 pre-orders were a knee-jerk reaction to being advised in mid-October that my one pre-order I had placed for the 956 which I made in February this year (when demand wouldn't have been anywhere near as big as since September 8th) was not going to be honoured

Apologies to anyone on here I have offended..

[malscar]

Just wondering if anyone has any interior shots of the real cars? Looking at building a 1/24 version as I have the body and decals to suit. Millions of exterior shots are available but the interior is a bit elusive.

[Chev_350]

oops mis understood the question

[Group A]

Just wondering if there has been any further news about the VK.