1984 Brock Twin Set

[Donny05]

With the soon to be released Ford 1 - 2 Twin set of 1977, Will there be enough interest to make the Dayglo HDT 1 - 2 Twin set from 1984? I for one would really love to see this set made in 1:18 even if it has to be without the offending decals.

I would like to see know how everyone else feels about these Very Important cars in the Brock Collection.

C'mon Brock supporters show your support!

:D

[Oh Five]

I reckon without a doubt , these will be released at some stage, when these cars hit the track in 84, the livery was the best ever seen, and still remains "up there".
The wait begins.......................:)

[BATHURSTFAN]

I hope it does not happen as these sets cost too much, I prefer the option of having a choice of buying one or two cars.

But my view is that a twin set will be made of these cars.

[Yogi]

I'd prefer to have just the winning Brock car, though I realise many collectors would like both cars as a twin set. Like BATHURSTFAN, I think we should have the choice. $350 is a lot of dough for two almost identical cars, when many of us would be more than happy with just the winning car.

Peter

[Dazz]

I tend to think that the twin sets are a little too much money for some people as well, especially if you only really want the one car.

If you want both, there is nothing stopping you buying both, but we are not all made of money, and from my point of view it would be a shame to turn this hobby into another elitist one where only the richer can afford to be in it.

Of course there might be exceptions to the rule for very special cases, but I think having the option of buying a twin set or a single (like the HRT Bathurst Twin Set or Single Winner) does not hurt anyone.

I do agree though that the '84 Brock car was one of the most awesome looking cars of the era, right behind Moffats RX-7 :)

[Graeme]

Regrettably, although I'd love to see the HDT VK's and A9X cars, they won't be desirable to me without the sponsor logos.

Moffat's Twin Set only misses out on some front bumper stickers, but those HDT cars were well and truly covered in Marlboro.

Unless someone can produce good decals, and I know some people can, my opinion is that these cars will look sadly incomplete as replica models.

[Dazz]

I could throw a spanner in the works here, but wouldn't the 1983 HDT cars 05 and 25 make a better twin set as this is in fact Brocks main car (05), and the Bathurst winning car (25)!

[pdg666]

I'm with you Donny05, any Brock twin pack would be a pleasure to own, $350 bucks for a piece of motoring history is well worth it, all you have to do is budget for it,

BRING ON THE BROCK CARS

Cheers
Paul

[Esses]

I love these cars & I'd love a twin-set, but they'd have to be complete, stickers sold seperately on the sly or whatever. The other variation would be to also do them in 1/43 as well as 1/18, that solves the price problem for those that can't afford the big'uns. From memory, one of Trax's fastest selling twin-sets ever was the Moffat/Bond XC 1-2, in 1/43.

[wombat]

I dunno......

I was all gungho and pumped to order the Moffat/Bond twinset from my supplier when the advanced orders were released last week. However, price IS an issue.

I want the plaque with the twinset - the full set now costs an amount that hurts the monthly budget and curtails any other "pleasurable" purchases for a while.

I think that the twinsets might be a rarity - it will be interesting to see how long they last on the site. If it takes 3 months to sell all 7712, does that make it a success for Biante?

In retrospect, I wonder.........

[Donny05]

Now that we have the Moffat / Bond 77 twinset how good would a 84 Twin set of the Dayglo VK's look alongside? I agree that price is a bit of an issue but with enough notice you can afford to budget for them. Also if they made a 1:43 set as well for the ones who can't afford the big'uns like Steve said. I reckon a 84 replica plaque like the 77 one would also be great to add to these exclusive sets. This 1-2 finish for the same team has only happened twice to my knowledge in the history of the race so it's not as if a heap of other sets will be made.

What do you guy's think?

Cheers, Jason

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year To All Of You!

:D

[SWRT]

I got the trax moffat-bond 1-2 1/43 set instead of the 1/18 1-2 set from Biante.
A Brock 84 HDT 1-2 1/43 twin set would go great with the trax one.I think it's Brock/Perkins in #05 and "skippy"Parsons and someone else in car #25.
Who is the other driver in #25?

[frosty]

David 'skippy' Parsons and John Harvey

[nick]

y cant biante put the malbaro signs on the car? i no that its illegal in racing now but how else can u make an exact replica of the car?

[ZORAK]

Nick, or expensive diecasts are considered "toys" and you really can't go promoting fags to kids that play with toys now can you?!?!

I am glad the USA aren't as politically correct or whatever you call it or there would be no Winston Cup NASCAR!

Z

[GRPIII]

its all crap about the cigees
they say they cant make a model car with advertising, but when the f1 circus comes to town the goverment makes exceptsions. doesnt matter how much money f1 brings to aus.
a child can go the motor museum at mount panaroma & see this car in the flesh with all the marlboro signage.
worse still at any v8 supercar round they are numerous people selling photos of these & similar sponsored cars to anyone including children.
with or without i want one.
twin pack would even be better.

[Esses]

I agree, it is crap, & you can see the real cars in any number of museums, but under the legislation (read LAW) manufacturing & selling anything with tobacco brands or some logos is illegal, end of story. Hypocrisy rules, F1 is exempted precisely because of the squillions of $ involved.

[ZORAK]

Another option is to produce, sell and ship direct from China or some other country that doesn't care.

But that is probably too hard and too much hassle for Biante so don't hold your breath...

Z

[Aussiecollector]

Whats the ruling on the sale of decal sheets, as this would be another option.

As a collector of F1 cars I have been able to convert most of my cars to the correct liveries for years by buying the decals from either shops in Sydney or direct from Canada. Is it illegal for Biante to sell the decal sheets seperate to the cars?

If so, why not commission one of the decal producers in North America to create the decal sheets on behalf of Biante and us the collectors so we can purchase them direct from North America. This I feel would be the easiest solution and theres no breach of the laws for the sale of tobacco sponsored cars here in OZ.

Has Biante ever considered this as an option for its customers?
Glenn

[BATHURSTFAN]

I'm sure i have seen an F1 model car with the B&H wording altered on the car to say something similiar.

Would this be acceptable?

[Donny05]

Here's A pic of my 1:43 Dinkums set of the 84 1-2 Finish. How GREAT would these look in 1:18? A Plaque to go with it too would really set it off! :D

[Donny05]

Other Brock Twin sets that would look good in 1:18 is Bathurst 83 and 87 where the 05 car broke down and the sister car was the eventual winner. Here's my Dinkums 1:43 83 set which are two liveries that compliment each other.

[Donny05]

And Here's the 87 one's

[pdg666]

I think your just a marlboro fan jase :)

JK


Cheers
Paul

[frosty]

Trevor,

Do you need the original cars to replicate a model or can you build one from photos?

The 1984 Day Glo Orange Commodores would be very nice.

[Donny05]

Yes I'm a real 3 pack a day man *cough * cough..................NOT! :D

Cheers, Jase :D

[MkTT500]

In 43rd scale sounds good to me, but I'm biased to that scale...
Leave the offending sponsors off thanks, I'll simply add my own, supplied by one of those deviants out there who insist on making such items...

[Pedro]

I would also like to see the 1984 Marlboro cars in a twin set, I already have these cars in 1/43rd scale (not dinkum cars)& 1/24th scale so the 1/18th would finish off the set.

[7Litre]

Maybe a little out of the reach for those who want the Brock Car.

Regards 7Litre....

[vt2envy]

as regards stickers in the box or any smoking related livery on the cars biante just can't do it..Many months ago this subject was talked about in great depth...If memory serves me correctly( i'm getting to that age) the main reason for no livery is the huge fines,with many 0's, that this can attract...Basicaly if you want livery on your cars then getting in the ear of your local member is about the only way..

[BB]

I buy Tameo 1/43 kits from England and the Marlboro/Ferrari F2000 and F2002 have both come with tobacco sponsorship in the box BUT they are in a black plastic sealed packet seperate to the other decal sheet. They have to clear customs etc and I have not had a problem yet. It is possible these kits are not classified as toys, I dont know, but they are 100% improvement on the hotwheels models.

http://modelsworld0.tripod.com

[Donny05]

Time to strike while the Iron's hot so to speak. With the newly restored 84 VK Brock group C car at Sandown this weekend it would be great if someone could post some good pics of it and renew interest in getting a Magnificent Twin set of this and it's sister car made in 1:18 and 1:43. I know a lot of people would love to see these cars made!

Cheers, Jason :D

[frosty]

Jason,

I will be there. If I see it, I will try and get some photos.

[wayno]

Best looking cars ever. Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee!!!!!

[frosty]

Jase,

Here are a couple of your favourite Brocky ......

It looks pretty good in the flesh.

We will have to wait for Admin to approve these there are 6 photos.

They have lost a little clarity as I had to reduce them heaps.

Here is no 1.

[frosty]

Number 2.

[frosty]

Number no 3

[frosty]

Number 4

[frosty]

Number 5

[frosty]

Number 6.

[Pedro]

Originally posted by Donny05
Time to strike while the Iron's hot so to speak. With the newly restored 84 VK Brock group C car renew interest in getting a Magnificent Twin set of this and it's sister car made in 1:18 and 1:43. I know a lot of people would love to see these cars made!

Cheers, Jason :D
I will have a twin set in both 1/18th and 1/43rd.
The 05 commodore was never beaten in a race.
Won Sandown, Bathurst & Surfers Paradise then retired.
Last of the Big Bangers:D

[Earnhardt-3]

Originally posted by Graeme
Regrettably, although I'd love to see the HDT VK's and A9X cars, they won't be desirable to me without the sponsor logos.

Moffat's Twin Set only misses out on some front bumper stickers, but those HDT cars were well and truly covered in Marlboro.

Unless someone can produce good decals, and I know some people can, my opinion is that these cars will look sadly incomplete as replica models.

I have to agree here.

Others may like the models without the correct livery, but not this fellow collector, I'm afraid.

No Marlboro logos? Well they can stay on the shelf.

Stickers are a joke as well.

Brad.

[Leigh]

Wayne

Maybe Admin won't pass these pictures until the Marlboro is covered up, I remember Pedro had to cover his up...

Cheers

[frosty]

Leigh,

Good point...

Admin, is that correct????

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by frosty
Leigh,

Good point...

Admin, is that correct????

Yes, that is correct. Repost the pictures with the wording edited out and i will let them through. I know it's dissapointing and the car looks great but I can't validate them in their current form.

[Troy_H]

Another fine example of the craziness of these tobacco laws. The VK makes an appearance at sandown in front of 30,000? people. Not a word from the government about its Malboro plastered all over the side, but make a model with it and your in deep.

What is the difference? At least I got some great photos with its true colours.

[frosty]

Richard,

I didn't know that you are not allow to show any photos showing the word Marlboro.

My son Jason deleted the word.... gee it certainly makes a big difference... the car definitely looks *rap.......

Jason (Donny05) did you get my email with all the photos attached with full wording?????

I will post 3 photos only.

Here is number 1..... If Richard approves.... I hope so....

[frosty]

Number 2.

It is a sign.......

[Donny05]

Yes Thanks very much for that Wayne, Much Appreciated Mate :D

[frosty]

3 of 3... hopefully....

[Leigh]

It does look rather plain without the offensive word...

Good pics Wayne...

Cheers

[Goodwrench3]

Yeah these tobacco laws are ridiculous, but to be expected in the most buraucratic country in the world.
I personally will not be buying any of Brock's Philip Morris cars if they don't have the full ciggy advertising. Unless there will be some good aftermarket decals available.....

[Earnhardt-3]

Originally posted by Goodwrench3
Yeah these tobacco laws are ridiculous, but to be expected in the most buraucratic country in the world.
I personally will not be buying any of Brock's Philip Morris cars if they don't have the full ciggy advertising. Unless there will be some good aftermarket decals available.....

Hear here!

[Donny05]

Anyone else for a Big Bangers twin set? :D

[frosty]

Originally posted by Donny05
Anyone else for a Big Bangers twin set? :D
Count me in.......

[Xcesiv308]

Get them into Production,,,,, can't believe 20 people would vote NO... what planet are they on,, or what era are they living in,,:D

Get them done so we can have them,, ;)

[monaro4me]

G'day all. My 1st time at this forum but i go along with the Brock/HDT twin set,not only as it includes a Bathurst winning car but also with it's sister car in company at the finish line,as with the Moffat twins.
Pricing,well??? if we all want a piece of motoring history such as this i don't think $300.00 - $350.00 is such a great price to pay?

[Brutesutes]

Originally posted by Xcesiv308
Get them into Production,,,,, can't believe 20 people would vote NO... what planet are they on,, or what era are they living in,,:D

Get them done so we can have them,, ;) probably classic members

[Oh Five]

I see this thread began Nov 11 2002, still waiting:(

[Pedro]

Originally posted by Oh Five
I see this thread began Nov 11 2002, still waiting:(
Maybe by the end of the year we may have them in production.;)

[wayno]

Most of you guys know where my allegiances lie. I would DEFINATELY shell out the sheckles for a twin set of these!!!!!

[Leigh]

If people truely want both cars, let them buy them 'separately'...why the need for a dedicated twin-set?

There are many 1:43 collectors on this forum who never bought the HRT 4-set, as they only wanted the one model (the Bathurst winner) from the set, not all four...

I say the same here, I only want the one car and will not be forced to purchase two...

Cheers

[the_goldie]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
If people truely want both cars, let them buy them 'separately'...why the need for a dedicated twin-set?

There are many 1:43 collectors on this forum who never bought the HRT 4-set, as they only wanted the one model (the Bathurst winner) from the set, not all four...

I say the same here, I only want the one car and will not be forced to purchase two...

Cheers

Leigh - same deal with the 77 twin set that was released. Alot of people probably only wanted the Bathurst Winner but had to get the twin set to get it.

Count me in. I bought the twin set of the Falcons so I "HAVE" to have the twin set of the mighty Commodores :D

[Donny05]

It's only the second time in the history of the 1000 that a team has had a 1 - 2 team finish, so it's not like there will be another twin set of the same sort of thing. We have had the Ford set so why not the Holden set? Really I wouldn't dream of buying just the Bathurst winner without the sister car, they just look awesome together in my opinion.

Cheers, Jason :D

[wayno]

Each entitled to their own opinion on this issue. Why not release the 05 car as single issue (say 5,000 pieces ) and the twin pack as a much more limited run.
That way if you didn't want both cars then you didn't have to get them. This was done with the HRT cars from 2001 from memory.

[Leigh]

Originally posted by wayno
Each entitled to their own opinion on this issue. Why not release the 05 car as single issue (say 5,000 pieces ) and the twin pack as a much more limited run.
That way if you didn't want both cars then you didn't have to get them. This was done with the HRT cars from 2001 from memory.
Mate, I'm glad you said that...quite a logical response...

I know exactly where everybody is coming from, and by releasing both cars (as I'm sure Biante will do anyway) but individually then everybody has the opportunity to build their own collection how they want...Building on Wayno's post, I think if there are to be 7000 Brock models, then you have 5000 packaged together (ala HRT Lowndes twin set) and 2000 individually...Going on the responses to this thread, I think there IS more demand for a twin-set than individual items...

(Cameron, That is the primary reason I do not have the Moffat Twin set, nor the HRT 1:43 Gift set...I refuse to pay extra money for a model that will NEVER see the light of day)

Cheers

[Riddler]

Originally posted by wayno
Each entitled to their own opinion on this issue. Why not release the 05 car as single issue (say 5,000 pieces ) and the twin pack as a much more limited run.
That way if you didn't want both cars then you didn't have to get them. This was done with the HRT cars from 2001 from memory.
I was happy that Biante released the 01 VX winner as a single cause I was not interested in the twin set. No real major significance.

Having said that I jumped on the 77 XC twin set because of the 1-2 finish and will jump on an 84 VK twin set for the same reason if released.

[Pedro]

Originally posted by Donny05
It's only the second time in the history of the 1000 that a team has had a 1 - 2 team finish, so it's not like there will be another twin set of the same sort of thing. We have had the Ford set so why not the Holden set? Really I wouldn't dream of buying just the Bathurst winner without the sister car, they just look awesome together in my opinion.

Cheers, Jason :D
I would also buy the 84 VK Commodores as a twin pack.
But the cars will not be on the drawing board until next year at the earliest.
You can see both sides of the single car release verses the twin pack but it is the only Holden 1-2 to happen to date so in my opinion is the twin pack is the way to go.
When I brought these cars in 1/43rd you could only buy them as a set. They look great sitting next to each other and so will the 18th Biante models when they are produced.

[wayno]

Now that I look at the poll results maybe I should have reversed the numbers for the twin set and single car!
Icfp2297 - thanks for the response. Logical is definately one thing I am not used to being called!