John Harvey HDT Toranas.

[Graeme]

Just thought I'd run this subject for comment by Forum members ... Biante is looking to do a second John Harvey signature item in 1:18 scale and our preference is leaning toward an A9X hatchback from the 1977-79 era.

Would collectors prefer a "win" car or a Bathurst car ? The A9X debut was the Hang Ten 400 at Sandown in 1977, but Harves didn't finish that race, and neither did he finish at Bathurst in 1977 (car #14) or 1979 (car #26), despite running near the front of these races in the early stages. He lead Bathurst briefly in 1978 in a hurriedly rebuilt car (car #15) but lost a lot of time during the race sorting out an ignition problem and subsequently finished that race in 19th position.

During 1978 and 1979 he had a preference for running his signature number 76 on his car, but this was not available to him at Sandown or Bathurst. His significant wins in car #76 were the 1978 Rothmans 500 at Oran Park and the first round of the 1979 ATCC at Symmons Plains.

Attached are a few sample John Harvey A9X images that I scanned today - please feel free to comment.

[Dingo]

I'll have one of each thanks...

Seriously, I'd rather have a Bathurst car because that's the focus of my collection....my $0.02 is good for this comment only :D

[215i]

As Dingo said, all of them. :D
But would probably take a bathurst one over a "win" one for no other reason than to have it sitting next to the Brock version as a bathurst set (for 78 and 79 anyway).

[Bianteking]

I agree one of each

[malscar]

Hi Graeme, although I love the prospect of a late 70's Harves Torana, I would prefer the Moffat/Harvey VL Monza winner. Or even the early '72 HQ Monaro 350. This does need the mould changed around the rear wheel arch.

[acb175]

Graeme, does John Harvey have a preference, or any say in the decision process? I like them all, but a car that he recalls as his best/favourite is in my eyes probably the way to go.

[troym]

i think the bathurst option would have to be the one, you only have to look at the demand that the 78 & 79 brock toranas had, to have the sister car to the brock cars would be great, one tip when you do the 84 vk make sure you release as a twin pack, that would be awsome!

[ferrari fan]

My choice; Bathurst car.
reason; sister/team car of HDT 05 , the winner of that race.
If possible all of them with the Rothmans winn a firm fav.

[monarocveightz]

The ones that interest me the most are the 78 and 79 Bathurst cars.

To go along the 78 and 79 HDT Brock Bathurst winners

[HDTHSVHRT]

I wouldnt mind a Harvey Bathurst car too but Ive got other priorities atm.

[Richard Poole]

Hi Graeme, although I love the prospect of a late 70's Harves Torana, I would prefer the Moffat/Harvey VL Monza winner. Or even the early '72 HQ Monaro 350. This does need the mould changed around the rear wheel arch.

Once the Commodore's come on stream we will be spoilt for choice for Harvey cars but until then we will fill in the gaps with Torana's.

[Skaife fan]

My choice would be the Rothman's 78 winner and the 83 No.25 bathurst winner when the commodore's are made, but that will probably come under the Brock collection. But to have it signed by John would be good. ;)

[SS Mick]

How about some in 1/43 & 1/64 scales .


Please :)

[KiwiRallyFan]

My choice; Bathurst car.
Reason; sister/team car of HDT 05 , the winner of that race.

What he said....:)

[cooper1117]

Bathurst car for me as well. Would look good next to the 05 winners

[HrtTassieFan]

My choice; Bathurst car.
reason; sister/team car of HDT 05 , the winner of that race.

Totally agree

[Peter Jenkinson]

I'm extremely excited by this as I am a HUGE Slug fan. If it was going to be an A9X I'd prefer the Rothmans 500 win car, but if there is another option I'd say his 1986 VK Group A in which he diced for the lead all day with Gricey & the Chicken man at Bathurst.

[wayno]

I'd much prefer a race winning or podium car as it is more significant in my eyes.

[mick xu1]

Bathurst car for me, But i would also like the Hang Ten car as well.....Will Biante be doing the Sandown winners one day

So Far

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2006
1964

[malscar]

Just to throw a curve ball How about his McLaren that he won the sportscar championship with?

[mick78]

I think the 1978 Rothmans 500. It was a gutsy win, considering he had to run and re-fuel the car himself. I hope it had number 76 on the side

[05shan]

I think the 1978 Rothmans 500. It was a gutsy win, considering he had to run and re-fuel the car himself. I hope it had number 76 on the side
Agree, would definetly purchase that;)

[HDTHSVHRT]

Harvey is a legend IMO he was the quiet achiever who lived in the shadows of one PB and did all that was asked of him. I would love to have one of his cars in the future...

[lukey73]

Sandown Winner for me, i would rather have an A9X that focused on Harvey rather than "sat next to brock" title associated with it. John was a great driver in his own right so it would to have a car or collection focused soley on his achivements, the good thing is it will have a lot of sister cars to the Brock Collection if it done this way;)

And is it possible to have an A9X 4 door not just the 2 door?

[gab73]

Rothmans 500 for me please.
John Harvey is a legend and a gentleman. First met him at Calder 86, pole position for car 3 if i remember correctly.

[Oh Five]

A Holden, HDT fan i am, but there are no significant models Harvey drove that i would buy

[bostonwayne]

Bathurst car for me please

[Angrydad]

When I think of a Harvey a9x I always think of that famous number 76 - black number on white background, asopposed to Brock's white on black. I reckon any Harvey model should at least be number 76. But as mentioned earlier, what does the slug himself think? He should really have the final say IMO

[AmonFan]

For slightly different colour schemes in ones collection, how about the 1976 ATCC Round 1 Winning B & D Auto's L34.

[VXfan]

Any A9X will do me fine thank you.;)
Cheers,
Tony.

[jay205]

I would prefer the Rothmans 500 winner!

jas

[tiger]

'79 Bathurst car

[fordmad17]

Rothmans 500 winner for me

[Graeme]

Thanks for the input ... Richard and I have been discussing this one and we have our varying opinions, as much as do our forum contributors.

Whilst Harves drove so many cars over a broad career, for the moment I'm looking for comment solely on the A9X era. We haven't forgotten about the 1976 Bathurst L34 and certainly Allan Moffat is keen for us to remember his and John's forays to Europe in 1987.

I'm also aware that both Brock and Harvey took to the wheel of the 4-door A9X (actually one of the old L34s) from time to time, but perhaps this is a relatively obscure car that could be considered at another time ... there is a notion in my mind that we could include it in a version of the HDT 1-2-3 finish from the 1978 ATCC Wanneroo round, maybe as a 1:64 or 1:43 triple car presentation.

But for now ... please, do keep those A9X Harvey car comments coming ....

[AmonFan]

Ok back to the A9X's while not exactly pretty, it is different ;) the 1977 A9X from Phillip Island. Harves ran #3 at this race, finishing 4th. The front of the car had big dots across the nose and front bar. IIRC, they were black, im sure i can get some colour pics.

[Graeme]

I often enjoy reading AmonFan's contributions ... I think he may have just a few more years onboard compared to me, and he was probably often a first-hand witness to many of the cars that Biante replicates.

I am aware of the #3 1977 Phillip Island car that looks much as if it was a teenage A9X with a nasty Clearasil problem ... definitely different, but perhaps a little too obscure ... much as is the B&D Autos L34 - although a "winner" - that somebody made reference to in an earlier post.

By all means, everybody is welcome to post other Harvey car images in this thread.

[AmonFan]

Thanks Graeme ;) i thought obscure may be better as the customers may be inclined to go for something a little different to the Brock A9X's.... I mentioned the B&D car, Brockie and Bond also drove this from mem, Johnnie Walker was due to drive the car in 76 at Symmons, however he injured a wrist playing squash? memory is fading, and Harves was drafted in...
Oh and im not that old, lol but my first race meet was circa 72 and my claim to fame is Frank Gardner calling me a nice little girl much to the amusement of my older brother ;)

[Graeme]

... fair enough AmonFan ... given your Gardner comment, I'd say that you have a significantly brighter memory of youth than I ...

Were pristine white towelling hats in Frank's fashion portfolio back in '72 ?

[AmonFan]

... fair enough AmonFan ... given your Gardner comment, I'd say that you have a significantly brighter memory of youth than I ...

Were pristine white towelling hats in Frank's fashion portfolio back in '72 ?

The girl comment was made in 77 at Calder when he was racing the Corvair, and yes he had the towelling hat then....

Back to the A9X's, if we are going for the traditional liveries, id say go for the Rothmans 500 Winning car. Perhaps a Warren Cullen car of 77 as well, with Warren celebrating 60 this year im sure he'd be rapt ;)

[toad]

What about Harvey's red Monaro GTS350 from Bathurst 1970. I reckon another 1:18 HK/HT/HG race car would be beaut.

[HDTHSVHRT]

yeah wouldnt mind that.

[Angrydad]

Speaking of A9X's - was there ever a 1/18 Allan Grice/Craven mild Torana released? I would like one of them.....

[lukey73]

Thanks for the input ... Richard and I have been discussing this one and we have our varying opinions, as much as do our forum contributors.

Whilst Harves drove so many cars over a broad career, for the moment I'm looking for comment solely on the A9X era. We haven't forgotten about the 1976 Bathurst L34 and certainly Allan Moffat is keen for us to remember his and John's forays to Europe in 1987.

I'm also aware that both Brock and Harvey took to the wheel of the 4-door A9X (actually one of the old L34s) from time to time, but perhaps this is a relatively obscure car that could be considered at another time ... there is a notion in my mind that we could include it in a version of the HDT 1-2-3 finish from the 1978 ATCC Wanneroo round, maybe as a 1:64 or 1:43 triple car presentation.

But for now ... please, do keep those A9X Harvey car comments coming ....

Why not a triple pack in 1:18 Graeme? If it were a limited edition say to 600-750 pieces im sure it would be highly valuable, maybe to secure them as a triple pack have something noted on the bottom of each model so they cant be sold seperately.

[215i]

Why not a triple pack in 1:18 Graeme? If it were a limited edition say to 600-750 pieces im sure it would be highly valuable, maybe to secure them as a triple pack have something noted on the bottom of each model so they cant be sold seperately.

Would definitely go for a 1:18 triple pack but would have to be even less numbers than that one would think. I would love to add the 4 door A9Xs to my collection at some stage.
I don't think there has been an Aus 1:18 triple yet?

[Graeme]

... but how many HDT collectors are prepared to spend approximately $500 retail for a triple set of 1:18 scale Brock / Harvey / Negus cars ? It would be an easier proposition - from a manufacturing view - if all three cars were alike.

[wayno]

... but how many HDT collectors are prepared to spend approximately $500 retail for a triple set of 1:18 scale Brock / Harvey / Negus cars ? It would be an easier proposition - from a manufacturing view - if all three cars were alike.

Sign me up. The 1-2-3 set from W.A. would be pretty cool.

[cooper1117]

The only triple pack I would like to see would be the 82,83 & 84 Bathurst winners.

[sad]

The only triple pack I would like to see would be the 82,83 & 84 Bathurst winners.

weren't the 82/3 cars the same thing.IE the 1983 25 was the 1982 05 could be wrong though.

[The Hammer]

My choice; Bathurst car.
reason; sister/team car of HDT 05 , the winner of that race.

Ditto Thanks

[Peter Jenkinson]

I'd put my name down right now if I knew the triple pack was a goer.

[Donny05]

... but how many HDT collectors are prepared to spend approximately $500 retail for a triple set of 1:18 scale Brock / Harvey / Negus cars ? It would be an easier proposition - from a manufacturing view - if all three cars were alike.


Not many, me thinks! as much as I love HDT cars I just haven't got the room for 3 1:18 cars pretty much the same as well as Brock cars. 1:64 or 1:43 would be the go for the triple set in my opinion.

[wayno]

I'll make the sacrifices for this set in 1:18. Pleeeease Biante! :)

[brchi17]

I'll make the sacrifices for this set in 1:18. Pleeeease Biante! :)

as long as it doesn't come out for a while as I suspect.....the next few months are going to be full of exoto Ferrari's :D

[wayno]

as long as it doesn't come out for a while as I suspect.....the next few months are going to be full of exoto Ferrari's :D

and alfa's and maserati's......

[AmonFan]

In regards to a 3 car set, its a little pricey for most in 1:18 and with the amount of models coming out. I think a 1/43rd set could work though. What would be cool would be a 2 car set of the Commodore and the A9X of the Wild Man's in 1/43.... The Commodore is of interest as my brother later raced the car in Group C....

[Leigh]

Hmm, I like the idea of the 82,83,84 Bathurst winners hat trick triple set in 1:18! Would definately purchase this set:D I would also consider the triple WA set in 1:18. No consideration needed for either of these in 1:43;)

Back to the Harvey A9X's, I think Graeme or Richard should put a poll at the top of this thread with the 4 cars listed...I think that's the best way forward;)

[Welby]

HDT Triple set of Brock , Harves and Negus. ?
Wanneroo ?

Where do i send my CC details ?

Welby

[VXfan]

The only triple packs I would really be interested in is 1 commemorating the Brock/Richards 3 Bathurst wins and 1 for the Brock/Perkins wins,both in 1/43 please.:)
Cheers,
Tony.

[Graeme]

A poll might be interesting, but I'm not really looking to find which single event car can gather the most votes ... we intend modelling more than one Harvey A9X over time.

Attached to this post are four more Harvey car images ... the 1978 #15 and 1979 #26 Bathurst cars in colour, and a couple of grainy black and white images that may appeal to AmonFan and other members who hanker for the more obscure event cars.

[toad]

I always remember watching the Brock and Harve's A9X's in the late 70's. Brock having the Black grill and Harve's the white grill. I think the Harvey 79 hatch would make a great twin for the Brock 79 car.

[Tumbo]

i'm all for the 79 bathurst car

[Leigh]

A poll might be interesting, but I'm not really looking to find which single event car can gather the most votes ... we intend modelling more than one Harvey A9X over time.

Then do a poll where you can select more than one answer...then you'd get an indication of which ones are least popular;)

[Graeme]

toad,

Notice something different about the 1978 Bathurst #15 car ?

[toad]

toad,

Notice something different about the 1978 Bathurst #15 car ?

Yes, its black below the bumper.
If you produce a Harvey A9X, I think you should do the white version

[Graeme]

Bathurst 1978 : It was a white front end in practice until Charlie O'Brien had a big lose on Friday out of The Dipper - the car missed Saturday's Top Ten shootout whilst a major overnight rebuild saw the car emerge with a whole new front end cannibalised from a Brock A9X Marlboro-HDT promotional vehicle.

[toad]

Bathurst 1978 : It was a white front end in practice until Charlie O'Brien had a big lose on Friday out of The Dipper - the car missed Saturday's Top Ten shootout whilst a major overnight rebuild saw the car emerge with a whole new front end cannibalised from a Brock A9X Marlboro-HDT promotional vehicle.

Interesting.

I also recall Ron Harrop crashing one of the MHDT Torana's at Castrol Curve one year. I also have a recollection of Harvey putting one in (front end) there but can't remember if it was a Torana or an early Commodore. Can't remember exactly which years these happened though.

[Dingo]

Just make 'em all :D

[Dingo]

I also recall Ron Harrop crashing one of the MHDT Torana's at Castrol Curve one year.
IIRC he went over the concrete wall near the Cutting in '79...

[Graeme]

toad,

The Ron Harrop mishap was with the 1979 Bathurst #26 car ... ever had severe pad knock-off ?? ... well, Ron hadn't long been into his stint when the brakes vanished on Castol Curve on the uphill run ... here are a couple of DVD grabs of the aftermath ...

[Graeme]

... and attached below are a couple of grabs of the #15 car from Bathurst in 1978 ... as it gets towed away for repairs ... and in the process of repair at the local Holden dealer service centre.

Note the two hatchbacks in the service centre image ... the car on the left is the Brock 05 promotional road car.

[lukey73]

I would like the triple pack in 1:18 hence the reason i asked about it, if ti were a limited number then i cant see why it wouldnt sell, much like the 77 twin set of the first to 50 HRT twin Set.

If this were possible then go the Sandown Winner, lets focus on John's achivements rather than the "was to Brock" reterick.

[Graeme]

lukey73,

John didn't win a Sandown ATCC or endurance race in an HDT Torana, so is it safe to assume that your preference is actually for the 1978 Rothmans 500 (Oran Park) car, being a notable winning event for Mr Harvey ?

[215i]

This thread is getting me excited about more MHDT A9X's!
After seeing the pics my final vote would go to 79 Bathurst. (As long as thats cool with the man himself as he might prefer the rothmans winner next) :)

[lukey73]

lukey73,

John didn't win a Sandown ATCC or endurance race in an HDT Torana, so is it safe to assume that your preference is actually for the 1978 Rothmans 500 (Oran Park) car, being a notable winning event for Mr Harvey ?


Sorry for my mistake, the Rothmans Winner is what i meant.

[wayno]

I agree with you 100% Luke. I would much rather a car that is a tribute to John Harvey than a Brock 'second banana' car.

[CowboyMatt]

[quote=Graeme;We haven't forgotten about the 1976 Bathurst L34 ....[/quote]

That would be my choice - Bond's last drive for HDT with Harvey as his co-driver. Not to mention it may have been the real winner.....

[vikings100]

Rothmans 500 Winner would be good, same as Wayno, something he did himself, not playing 2nd fiddle to the master.

Cheers Greg:)

[malscar]

Just wondering if anyone has any good shots of Harvey's '77 Bathurst car. Looking for the sponsors on the bottom of the doors and also the sponsor on the front corners. ('Ass' ??)

[Graeme]

malscar,

Sorry that I can't help you with highly detailed images of the 1977 HDT #14 car - and that is basically because I don't have any - but the sponsor logos that you need to identify are :


1) ASS : anatomical seat manufacturers.

2) Chicago Pneumatic : air tools manufacturer.

3) Dunlop : tyre manufacturer.

4) Bilstein : shock absorbers manufacturer.

[malscar]

Thanks Graham. The ASS and the Chicago were the 2 I just could not work out. This is for a 1/43 build using the '78/'79 cars available from www.automodellistudio.com

[Graeme]

malscar,

If I encounter legible versions of the ASS and Chicago Pneumatic logos, as featured on the 1977 Bathurst Harvey car, I will scan them and post the images on this thread.

In the meantime, attached are some DVD grabs of both 1977 HDT cars, which should give you some idea of what to look for ... note that the ASS (Scheel ?) logo appears to be affixed to only the driver side corner of the front spoiler of John Harvey's car.