Congratulations Holden/GRM/Drivers/Crew

[Flebin]

YEEEEEAAAHHHHHHH!!!!
Congratulations to good driving and crew work!
So are we gonna see a bathurst 24 Hour winning model? :D

[Esses]

I agree, but would rather have seen it done with a "real" 350 Monaro, not the Big Block special, nice as it is.

[brchi17]

Well done guys,
Did anyone see any of the Saturady coverage, as I hear the Monaro hit 320kph down Conrod !!!!
I missed it but my brother who saw it, said it was simply awesome!!!
Now, I for one am hanging out for the 1:18 model when Biante make it, put me down for 1 now!!!
The only question i have is this,

Will Biante make the car in the 'presentation' form & 'race winners' or will they simply realease it only once ?

cheers.

P.S. Does this mean that next year in Nations Cup the Monaro will have to carry 400kg balist & be rev limited to 2000rpm, to give all of the others a chance ???

[drof]

This is a very hollow victory for Holden. How could you feel good about a victory in a purpose built racecar, where everything else in Nations Cup is a deriviate of a road car, with fairly decent modifications for racing. All the Nation Cup Cars all have road car suspension with different shocks and things like that, but the Monaro looks like a sports sedan. It has a purpose built rear subframe, a purpose built rear suspension, and a 7 litre engine that runs in the Corvette at Le Mans with 700 horsepower.
Holden asked for all these concessions and were given them, for the Monaro to be able to race, it is another example of Holden playing God in Australian Motorsport, or acting like spoilt little brats and saying if we don't get this or this , we are not coming out to play. These sort of concessions were given to Holden in the V8's when the Fords were dominant.
I am going to enjoy reading all the replies from the Holden Fan's in defence of their Monaro, but please before engaging ones fingers in reply, please read all the facts about this purpose built car and then all the info on the specs of the Nation Cup cars, and then put fingers to the keyboard in reply. I think a majority of you will have to admit that this race was a very big mismatch and the only winner was Holdens PR machine.

Happy reading

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[Aussiecollector]

Whilst I agree Drof, that the car is purpose built so is the mosler and unfortunately at the end of the day the governing body for Procar allowed it to happen, they could have said no to holden use a road going monaro with mods.

Also you should give the credit for your text to J bowe as it is verbatim from motorsport news.

Glenn

[Mark]

Taking out the spec. cars. the rest of the racing was great. I am amazed at the number of cars that finished.

Was good to see both a Holden and a WRX winning in the other classes.

By the way the TE beat the HSV

[SWRT]

With news that Biante will make this car into a model,firstly it should be packaged as the Bathurst 24 hour winner.
2ndly will it be made in presentation form or post race form with the big dint in the door(it got it there after a incident around 3-4am).
Also the Monaro nearly got a plastic bag in the front air dam.
With 1 hour to go,on the rise on Conrod straight a plastic bag got caught by a flag marshall stopped the big plastic bag from entering the circuit and if he didn't stop it the Monaro's engine would have over heated.
The Marshall wanted revenge for what happened to Lowndes in the 1000.He would have let it go onto the circuit if the cameras weren't focusing on the bag.

[BATHURSTFAN]

I really don't see what the fuss was about, there was no other car that could match the Monaro, now if there were a lot more other compatible cars in the same league then it may have been interesting.

I found the last session boring watching cars being driven around at half pace because of cars being so many laps ahead of each other.

I prefer watching races where there are a group of cars with nearly the same specs as each other such as most of todays racing formula's.

Even the old Bathurst races where they had different classes in the same race were good because there was a good spread of cars with similar performances, maybe next year if there are a few more evenly matched cars, not who can purposely build the biggest and the best. I found the other classes where the cars were more closer to standard more interesting .

They had to say yes for the Monaro to race to provide a carrot for people to watch the event

[chups]

yes, the monaro did have a purpose built engine, suspension etc, but you cant tell me the designers of the porsches, mosler, ferarri, only had passenger comfort and shopping room in mind when they designed their cars? they too are purpose built race cars. atleast the Monaro has a boot and rear passenger seats. its just a re worked road car. the monaro body was not originally designed for racing.

but still, its just a race, and the monaro WON. im not comparing it to a falcon or something because obviousley they arent the same car but put it up against cars in the same class (ie moslar, porsche) and it won.

[brchi17]

Isn't it funny how the only vehicle in class 1 that didn't have a major crash or mechanical breakdown, won the race.
There can hardly be any fair restriction placed on the Monaro just because the competition either crashed or broke down.
But only time will tell.
cheers.

[monaro]

Drof,
if you want to talk about teams/companies acting like spoilt brats why don't we talk about Lamborghini's efforts.

[brchi17]

Isn't it funny how tempermental Italians get when motorsport is involved.
I just feel sorry for Paul Stokell, who will be the big loser if team Lambo pull out in protest of the Monaro next year.
cheers.

[SWRT]

Since the Lambo and Vipers were as fast as the Ferrari 360 GT this year I rekon the Lambo would have won if it raced.
Also if the Citrek Porsche team had Ortelli instead of Grice then they wouldn't have had hit the wall in the first place.

[HDT 4 EVER]

isn,t it funny before the bathurst 24 hour every one was saying the monaro would not finish it would break down well what a diffrence 24 hours make,s kiwi dave i have read your replies for some time now every chance you get you bag holden & there drivers i gather you support ford when are you going to accept holden are a great company with great drivers instead of saying the crap that you do i think it,s great for motor sport that holden one now you say the monaro is a purpose biult race car what did you think it was a model.

[sboland]

Well, what about the V8 Magna, I havent seen any road registered versions on our public roads. And there has been no uproar at all about this (purpose built racecar). Its a shame that, when ever someone or something does well in or for this country theres always someone whos p@ssed off.........why is that?

[drof]

The point JB whoops I mean I was trying to make is the Nation Cup cars are road cars, these cars are as they were when they left the factory,with a few safety features thrown in, where as the Monaro was built from scratch, a bare body shell, with all the goodies added on, and a motor that never came with a Monaro, a purpose built racing motor.

Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[Richard Poole]

No cars in that series are standard.

The 360 GT is actually built by Michelotto (you could put it they are to Ferrari what RUF is to Porsche but that would be simplifying it a bit too much). It is a full spec endurance racing car.

The Lambo is a works race car built for the one make series in Europe. Not a standard road car.

The Vipers have the full Lemans spec body kits and heavily upgraded brakes.

The Brabham (Honda) is supercharged.

The Porsche GT3 (the only real production car in the series) has been upgraded to cup car body kits and next year will be one step further up the performance ladder.

The Monaro will be restricted and brought back to the field just like all of the other cars. Give them time.

The best days of the series was back when the Porsche RSCS, Mazda RX7 SP etc were racing which could literaly be driven to the races, raced, then driven home.

[Discus Guy]

Hi all.
I went to the bathurst 24hr myself and boy was the monaro a sight to see! It was awsome but unfortuatly it being there ment no Lamborghini, Vipper or NSX. I've got to say though waking up on the top of the mountain to the roar of the monaro was great. Hope to see a lot of you there next year as attendence was dismil, to say the least. You can put me down for one of the monaro if it comes out straight away!

[Graeme]

I liked the fact that GRM came off shining at a time when all the polish seems to shine on HRT's machines, although they have of late lost a little gloss in the long distance Supercar events.

For those of you who curse Holden MotorSport's 7litre creation, perhaps it's just another rod for Ford's back .....the competition just heats up every year one way or another.

And, if you want performance 'road cars', they were there in the form of various V8 Commodores and Falcons .....perhaps you ought try to convince Channel Seven to revise their telecast coverage ?

[bernoo]

:confused: What is the price of the Supercar Holden?

[brchi17]

I hear that the HRT 427 (the road going version of the Mega Monaro) will be close to $250k when it is released.

Considering a V8 Supercar costs close to $300k to build, I would expect this car to be close to that price, considering the amount of V8 Supercar in this vehicle. Apart from the body shell, IRS & the 7 Lt version of the V8, the rest is practicly a V8 supercar.

Next years Nations Cup should be very interesting,
Cheers.

[bernoo]

:D No wonder they won the race. It is a race car.

[Martin Thomas]

Yep, a purpose built race car with 400 odd kays under its belt. I cant believe there are some people who just cant bring themselfs to acknoledge a great effort. Holden had a lot to lose with this, more on the line than those manufacturers who pulled out.
Its a pretty tough debut for a car, 24 hours around Bathurst. They could have put it up at the Sydney Motor show for 24 hours, fenced off from the public and left it to our imagination what it was capable of. What more risky and dramatic marketing could they have tried to knock a bit of shine off fords "relase a bit of info at a time" falcon launch? (Which, I can bring myself to say, is a damn fine looking car that looks to have the goods...)
Imagine if it had blown an engine 3 hours in. Mate, a chorus of I told you sos and sniggering from all the ford fans out there.
To all those people who want a race with cars of similar specs, we have one in australia that is pretty popular, its called V8 Supercars. It races cars from ford and holden with similar specs. As you can imagine, theres no complaining about parity and everyone is happy. :D
Cheer up ford fans, the Falcon won car of the year this time so the conspiracy theorists out there can have a rest.

[HDT 4 EVER]

well said martin its great to see some people praising holden instead of bagging them after all they were up against the so called prestige cars. and i like your theory about ford winning car of the year.

daryl

[bernoo]

:D Martin, sounds like you are a true blue GMH man. I dont like late model GMH cars but, they have the goods that count on the day. OK OK they look good to.
See Ya

[toecutter]

At the end of the day, it was a B GRADE race. The idiot from channel 7 who's only words every 3 seconds, were here comes the 427etc got a bit boring after a while. I was glad when Grice told him to give it a rest. So Holden 427 won, big deal but what can you say about the Mitsubishi Mirage beating the new 300kw GTS????? It was good that Bathurst had the race but in time the real 24hr teams will be in town with the likes of Ferrari, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche just to name a few. You can even look on Biante's webpage to see some A Class race cars(diecast) from some 24hr events. There maybe some reasons why the big teams do not come to Australia because of transport costs and maybe because Bathurst track is not wide enough but time will tell.
Bring on next's years race

[brchi17]

I hear that the 24hr has been moved foward to the first weekend in dec for next year, so as to allow for the Europeans more time to get here.
It will also be straight after the final round of the V8 championship so there should be a better representation of drivers for next years' event.
I wonder how the HRT & K-mart drivers' who knocked back the drive in the Monaro are felling about now ???
cheers.

[HoldenMan]

I hear that the HRT 427 (the road going version of the Mega Monaro) will be close to $250k when it is released.

I don't know how accurate i am in this but, i heard that any road version of this car will house a smaller 400 ci version and not the 427..


Needless to say, it is a stunning car and i'm glad to have seen it stick it up the european versions :rolleyes:



PS. Any Australian Built Car is a GREAT CAR!!!


"that includes fords"


Cheers :D

___________________________________________
Body by Holden Soul by Brock

[brchi17]

Holdenman,
I've heard simular mail regarding the capacity of the road car. However, I am of the understanding that for the race car to have a 427ci motor, the road car must be the same. Unless, PROCAR make allowances for the motor to be inlarged (like they did with the Honda NSX, which they allowed to be Supercharged).
cheers.

[jager]

Great to read in today's paper (The West Australian) that the 427 will have the fully worked engine (aka Corvette C5) and will have a price tag of only $215,000 and not $ 250,000 as previously thought.

That will make it much easier to afford (yeah right !).

[bev]

One of these is NOT on Admin's shopping list - just in case you are thinking of calling Clayton........:mad:

[bev]

When we were in Germany last week noticed 4 star fuel cost
1.11 - 1.15 euro per litre. On current exchange that is A$2.05 to A$2.12 per litre.... Probably why there are lots of 1.1 litre buzz boxes on the roads.

Not that it made me feel better when it was over $1 here today!!

[ferrari fan]

$215K, fofr a HOLDEN!?
A nice low milage Testa Rosa 512TR or a 355 F1 seems to spring into my mind for that sort of $ or a very nice Porsche
These keep their value unlike the special edition holden and Fords.

[brchi17]

I've got to argee with you ff,

At the end of the day (regardless of the price) its' still a Holden & there's a certain mystic about a Porsche or a Ferrari that money just can't buy.

When your going to spend that sort of money ($215,000 suggested as the rrp for the HRT427), I think most people would consider the Holden hard to justify (obviously with 75 deposits for the 50 cars, there are some who can justify/offord it).

If it was me, I think I would have trouble not getting a 911 if I was going to spend 215k on a sports car (mine you, I'll be signing up for one when it comes in 1:18!!!).

cheers.

[the_goldie]

Not that it made me feel better when it was over $1 here today!!
Bev I can't remember the last time I paid less than $1 here in Sydney for Premium :confused: ??? If anything the closest would have been around 98c/l, damn my thirsty V8 ;)

Anyone know when the 24hr Monaro might park itself in our display cabinets?