Moffat Mustang

[FOMOCO]

Just wondering who else out there bought the Moffat Mustang that was released around christmas, I know this is a Biante forum and this model is not a Biante, but i am interested in what other collectors thought of the model, the price etc, I noticed the COA has a printed signature and no numbering, what are others thoughts ?:confused:

[SmartyMarty]

I own the Mustang too....the guy in the shop had two models...i checked both and one(the one i didn t buy!)had some mistakes
of the finish...the silver trims(?) around the windows weren t painted properly.I think Biante models are heaps better in showing details and the quality in general is much better too.I was just wondering why a manufacturer like Welly produces such an expensive model.....normally they produce models for little money.Still..i think its a wonderful model...but the price is way too high...As you all know the modell was praised by Allan Moffat in some magazine adds...why doesnt he praise the Biante modells????Did he ever see one of his Falcons next to the Mustang?The guy in the shop also told me that there will be more releases of Moffat cars by Welly...i hope they wont charge the same price cos I wont pay that amount again.....

[FOMOCO]

I heard that the mustang ran in some diffrent livery, Brut 33 and some insurance company (not federation). These other 2 cars will be released at around christmas over the next 2 years. I belive it will be the same model in diffrent colours.

As for qaulity it is a good model, i agree not quite Biante quality and definantly not twice the quality as it is twice the price.

But is does look good sitting there with the XW and XY's

[thekid_600]

I don't actually own the Mustang, but I have certainly seen it many times. I don't see any special difference in it which creates such a big price difference between it and the Biante models. Can anyone enlighten me?

[BATHURSTFAN]

they probably looked at the money the earlier Biante models are now getting (such as the No 64 & 65 cars) and thought that if people will pay OVER $300 for these cars, why not put a big price on it.

I would have got one if it was better priced

:mad:

[enforcer]

I think you are spot on BATHURSTFAN.
Plus if Biante put out a model without an opening boot, they would have got jumped all over by some on this forum for sure.
I didn't get one either

[HoldenMan]

Yes well, i was one of those who went out and paid $300 for this car as well. I can only hope that they dont bring out anymore than 2 or 3 out because at that price i wont have money to feed my "BIANTE" addiction.!::eek:


CHEERS!

[SmartyMarty]

:(
...I want to win the lotto.....pleeeeeze

[HoldenMan]

I hear OZ Lotto pays better odds!


lol



:D

[SmartyMarty]

..hehehe....ok then..i ll win both...:p

[thekid_600]

Yes, I agree too - you're spot on BathurstFan.
If only it was priced normally, like $200, then I would have got it. The only thing that put me off was the price. Frankly I reckon the 64E and 65E look better than the Mustang, but undeniably the Mustang does look fantastic.

[Martin Thomas]

Its early and I may be mistaken. I think there was only a limited amount released. 300 sound right?? Its probarbly on the certificate so Im sure I'll fid out if I'm wrong. $300 bucks? wow. Too much for me.

[Martin Thomas]

Its early and I may be mistaken. I think there was only a limited amount released. 300 sound right?? Its probarbly on the certificate so Im sure I'll fid out if I'm wrong. $300 bucks? wow. Too much for me.

[FOMOCO]

There were 6000 made as the per the box, there are no numbers printed on the certificate so you dont know. It does look the goods sitting with the rest of the moffat cars.

[Dazz]

My wife bought be the Moffat Mustang for Christmas and I think it is a pretty nice model. And personally I think it looks great sitting with the rest of the Moffat XY's, XW, XB's and XC's that have been released.

It might be a little more expensive than the normal Biante models, but, when you consider what some people had to pay to get a Red, White or even Purple XY at times, I don't think it is necessarily overpriced. Definitely in the high price bracket though.

[fantm]

they do look nice parked next to other models on the shelf mainly coz they're different. the price paid may be a reflection of what people paid for early biante's on the secondary market but they are a close second to a biante & therefore maynot appreiate & be as collectable like a biante. with no serial # it makes you wander if they stoped at 6000 as a lot of model shops still have them available & some are selling them at less than the original sale price . if they release a 2nd &3rd version of the same car maybe they might "spy" on this forum & pickup on our comments
on the topic of appreciation in value of our models I'd rather be lookn at my models on the shelf rather than stocks & bonds certificates. I'm not talkn about overnight profiteers but when collectables appreciate over time its healthly for the hobby

[thekid_600]

I think it looks great because it's red, and so are the XWs and XYs. Thats what makes the Mustang blend in so well.
Hm, Yes, magazine ads, Moffat: "Everyone has a favourite race car and this is mine" :)

[Senator1]

I don' t have one,but a mate of mine ordered & paid for one,but was sent two,i also saw one in a model shop in Sydneys west suburbs but half of the coca cola decal was missing on each front guard????:confused:

[frosty]

Allan was my first racing hero, when I started following motor racing.

I always wanted a model of his red Coca cola mustang.

And when I first saw the ad in the Unique Cars, I sent Hot Memorabilia a letter, asking questions about the model, as I didn't want to send $300 to some unkown company.

3 days later Allan rang me at work, and I nearly died, we spoke for a couple of minutes. He assured me that the model was top class, I then sent off my order and have not regretted it at all.

It does look real good amongst Allan's Biante Collection.

cheers.

[thekid_600]

Wow he rang you frosty?:eek:
I wonder how many calls he had to make in total regarding the model? :)

[Moffat Fan]

As a Moffat Fan I have 37 photo's of the Mustang all taken at different times in its racing history.

The model is a great addition to the collection, but it is a close representation of the car and nothing else. The model is of the car as it was restored! Not as it was raced! To be even close in its paint sceme and logos you would have to change the head lights, grill and rims.

They have said they will do it in its 3 liveries. If they change the rear "hip scoops", rims, grill, lights. side mirrors, guards etc they will require a lot of changes to moulds etc. I guess this is the reason for the high price tag. Those modifications are not cheap.

Still. It's a great looker and at least we have one at last.

:)

[Dale Robertson]

I think it's a great model and looks good amongst the Biante
Moffat cars, but surprised the certificate is not numbered.:)

[Troy_H]

I do have this model. I think it is the best Moffat model available, sits low and looks really tough.
This is how I understand these models were done. They were produced as a venture by Allan Moffat. They were a run of 6000 with printed certificate. Apparently, signing all those signatures makes Allans hands ache (cant blame him really). There will be two more to follow, a Brut 33 and a Union Shipping i believe. This car apparently ran in NZ.

The price is justified by the limited run that will be done from this mould. This is not a regular Boss 302 painted to resemble the Coke car, it has the flared guards at the front as the major modification as well as various other adjustments. Allan I believe was involved in every step and a model has been created as close to the original as possible. This car will never be done again so was a must have, how can you have a Moffat collection without this car.

I think the Biantes are great but this model is truly the best, even if a little pricey.

[FOMOCO]

Apparently, signing all those signatures makes Allans hands ache (cant blame him really).

When i recived mine I rang the supplier, explained that printed signitures, no numbered certificates etc was a bit rough, in returned he send me another hand signed certificate a couple of days later.

even though the two certificates now sit in there box in the cuboard out of sight - silly isnt it

[thekid_600]

thanks FOMOCO, now everyone's gonna phone their shop up and ask for a hand signed certificate!? :D

[FOMOCO]

Sorry Kid

I understand and feel for Alan, signing 6000 certificates would cripple any one of us, but the point stands that if Biante supply models with individually numbered and signed certificates, to compete with them you must do the same, (especially when you are charging twice the price)

Unlike Frosty, I did niot make any enquires towards the model, I just bought it, next time around I will make a lot more enquires before i buy, especially now that i have the most well known version, the other two liveries dont matter as much do they ??

[Boss 429]

I'm thinking of buying one but there was no mention of 6000 units.

It said only that it was available for a short time. For a $300 collectors car I would certainly expect a series number if not a hand-signed certificate.

It begs further questions given the price:

- If Biante can pay Allan to sign cars out of a retail price of $150 or so, why can't they?

-The printing cost of numbering the certificates as Biante does is negligable, where's the proof of only 6000 units being produced?

I would like to buy the car, but evry time I look at it am I going to wish I put the money into another collectable?



:confused:

[fantm]

maybe whats needed is a registry for the "Coke Moffat Mustang" any takers? it wouldve been better for all involved had it been done with the manufacturer though.

[enforcer]

I was in a position to see a sample of the new Autoart Mustang GT390 a while back while visiting Biante showrooms and WOW what a great model. Its the Steve McQueen Bullit car and would be the best Autoart model so far.

At around $95.00 to $100 retail this will set the cat among the pidgeons. I guess the licence for Steve McQueen wouldnt be cheap either.

I think they said it will be in stock the week after next.

[David]

I have been reading all this for over a week.

Biante made the rarest model..the VL Walkinshaw. One colour, one version as only one could be done. Price ...110.00 with numbered certificate.

The race version is virtually a brand new car if you seriously compare them. Price? $140.00 with numbered certificate.

The latest Lowndes car has over 60 differences from the one before it and you can count them if you like.
Price difference...Zero $. With numbered certificate.

And Tru blu...Hand signed certificate, numbered and by the looks in the showroom in the site, the best yet...price ? $160. And watch the price go on mad ebay next day after release.

Who is playing with who?

[thekid_600]

David, I don't think it's the colours, or new parts etc that alters the price. You'll find that the race version VL is more expensive than the VL road car because a) Biante needed to get permission from the sponsors on the car to reproduce them and b) the car has drivers and its a bathurst winner.
The driver (eg Lowndes) has dictated the price. The same model, with different drivers makes a difference. Just look at the Lowndes 1999 and Skaife 1999 car.

[frosty]

Boss 429,
I bought the Moffat Mustang, because I always liked this car and it was the first model that I found.
I didn't care about whether it had a certificate or not, I just wanted the car.

The price did make me hesitate, I ordered my model last Sept-Oct before the model went public, that's why I contacted the manufacturer to check on the quality. see my above post.

I will not be buying any of the other 2 Mustang that they will be making (Brut 33 and Insurance), cause I only wanted the Coca Cola.
It all depends upon why you collect models, I collect them to display on my various bookcases (that no longer hold books only my 40 1:18 Biantes). All mine are out of the boxes.
It gives you a good feeling just admiring them, I will not sell any of my models.

So go Boss 429 lash out and buy it, it does like good with the other Moffat Biante collection.

[GTSCoup]

Originally posted by thekid_600
David, I don't think it's the colours, or new parts etc that alters the price. You'll find that the race version VL is more expensive than the VL road car because a) Biante needed to get permission from the sponsors on the car to reproduce them and b) the car has drivers and its a bathurst winner.
The driver (eg Lowndes) has dictated the price. The same model, with different drivers makes a difference. Just look at the Lowndes 1999 and Skaife 1999 car.

thekid_600

Of course the colours and new parts are going to effect the price. I doubt anyone would develop the roll cage and boot detail in the race cars for free, do you?. I expect there would be some sort of licensing fee that would go to the team which explains the price hike for track cars over road cars. As David said, only $30.00 difference between the road and race versions of the VL with all of the liscences and different parts is pretty good.

It doesn't seem to matter which driver is on the cars at release as the 1999 Skaife and Lowndes (and every other year after that that I have purchased, both Holden and Ford) cars were priced exactly the same when they were first made available. After market the Lowndes has increased more than the Skaife but the driver names had no effect on the initial release prices.

[oneeighteen]

Originally posted by Boss 429
I'm thinking of buying one but there was no mention of 6000 units.

It said only that it was available for a short time. For a $300 collectors car I would certainly expect a series number if not a hand-signed certificate.


:confused:

I was informed that a possible reason for the no mention of the exact number of cars to be produced was that a first run was to test the water and if demand outstripped supply a further run may have been produced. A bit hard to do if you initially documented the number to be released.

The same informant mentioned that there may be deeper issues behind the retail price of this model and these did not revolve around the costs associated with production.

:rolleyes:

[Boss 429]

Some good points guys, thanks for your input.

It doesn't pay to get carried away with the detail when the main idea is to just appreciate your models for their own sake.

I'll go ahead and grab mine while I still have the chance!

[69Mach1]

Well said Big Boss Man ! It is worth every dollar considering even the Americans don't make any 69ers in race strip ...

[XR8]

Boss 429, get the Mustang, you will be wrapt with it!!!
I also have two large Matchbox models on display with mine, a Red AC Cobra, and a blue GT40 Ford. These were limited in production, and I haven't seen any others around. Even though the 'Moff Mustang has 6000 or so available, I'm sure each owner will be happy with them as I am. The price was a bit steep, but just go without food for a month or so, and everything will be fine!
I'm looking forward to the next versions as well!!

Ed :)

[Boss 429]

Sent the mail-order in today guys :-)