Future XW/XY GT's - new tooling

[BATHURSTFAN]

Admin said on a previous thread;

"It IS an 18th (with 2 mirrors too) which was planned, but now is going to be released as an XY GT in 2003 from the new tooling."

What is the future of the XW/XY's ?. I thought some time ago that these cars were finished. Hopefully I am wrong, it appears so.

Can a previously released model with "new tooling" be released as a first run model?

For example, if the moulds for the XY have been modified can or would a car such as the Moffat 65e be made again for a future release on the basis that its a different model due to new manufacturing improvements?.

Because I can't believe that the bits and pieces used to make these models will just be wasted and not used over & over again, unless technology improves and the older moulds are too outdated.

Of course there will be complaints about models being devalued etc if this did happen.

Glenn

[admin]

What was said was,"there will be no more roadcar GTHO's made."
That holds true.
We will be making GT's, but there will be NO chance that anyone will be able to turn any of them into 'old' GTHO models, even by adding spoilers etc. They are structually quite different.

[terrine]

i honestly hope that your enquiry is as ridiculous as it sounds.


what is limited edition


doh


r/peter:)

[BATHURSTFAN]

Terrine -

My point is that if a model has been changed from the orginal release where its NOT EXACTLY THE SAME then why can't it be RE-released when technology improves?

So DO YOU BELIEVE a model manufacturer in 5 or 10 years time will never ever release a PREVIOUSLY released model again ?

Will Biante only end up making current cars when they run out of popular older models in a few years time?.

The bottom line here is the if a model can be improved through better technology, then why not re-release it?

PS Keep your DOH to yourself:D

Glenn

[Acj428]

There is already enough xw and especially xy models running around....And I owned an XWGT...But please bring on the earlier GT models.....:)

[Three_o_seven]

I love these XY/XW's but what would the point be of re-releasing 65E, 64E, 1D etc. These were released as a limited edition and were purchased in good faith as a 6000pce run and thats that.

Mods to a mould in my eyes doesnt change the fact that these cars have been made... a re-run of those particular vehicles would be a kick in the teeth to people who bought that 'special' race car when they were origianaly offered for sale.

I can understand your point that people who missed out on these initialy would snap them up now but I dont think that a mould change is a viable reason for a re-run.

Model devaluation isnt the issue at hand either as I dont sell my models, its the fact that we have something unique and believe that it is a collectable and somewhat rare model.

I have no quams with the new XY moulds as I would love to see a Fred Gibson or a John French XY in '72 Bathurst livery.:D

Jeremy

[Andrew]

I personally would love to have a re-issue of the Moffat cars etc. as I missed out on them the first time. I personally wouldn't be advocating a limited run in the same way Biante releases its cars - I don't even mind if there isn't even a Certificate of Authenticity with production number, signature etc. I just want the cars. If they could be re-released without all the fanfare of the first releases, and without all the certificates, signatures etc. as a philip for those who missed them first time round, then surely they wouldn't devalue the first release cars too much - think about the impact of releasing the next Green XE Johnson and what that'll do to the value of the current one (I own the current one and don't care if it goes down in value as a result). Not exactly the same situation I know, as the second DJR XE will be slightly different from the first, but I hope the general gist of my meaning gets through.

Basically, I just want the model cars to fill my collection - and I don't care that they are not the first original releases (which will ALWAYS be worth more anyway). I don't need certificates, numbers, signatures or special packaging etc. I don't want a 'clone' release of the first batches in this way. It wouldn't even have to be anything to do with Moffat directly in terms of his collection (although I'm sure these cars were released with this understanding in place). I just want the opportunity to get the car. Maybe, in a second release like this, there doesn't necessarily have to be a production number. If people want the full orginal collection, they will still track down the original releases.

This idea has about a zero chance of ever happening, as what Jeremy (Three_o_seven) said in the previous post:

"a re-run of those particular vehicles would be a kick in the teeth to people who bought that 'special' race car when they were origianaly offered for sale."

Plus, Biante wouldn't make a limited run of, say, 6,000, only to turn around and make another 6,000 later on down the track. The fact that they were released as a 6,000-only LIMITED EDITION in the first place scuppers any realistic hopes I might have had of completing my collection of Moffat's Bathurst winning cars. So my hopes will almost certainly remain a pipe-dream.

If anyone has a Moffat Bathurst Winner that they would like to sell to me for the original retail price $160-$185, then I am CERTAINLY interested... Otherwise, I can't see my collection ever being completed :( as I don't wish to pay the sort of prices currently being bandied around.

[Andrew]

Further to my point above about the value of the original cars, a second release as I advocated (without certificates, signatures, production numbers, special packaging) will not devalue the original release.
For example, despite many subsequent releases, the FIRST EDITION of a book is never devalued. In the same way, prints of a Monet painting do not devalue the original. Indeed, you could even get people painting exact copies of that Monet painting, and the original Monet would not be devalued. The same would be the case here. The original Moffat releases would still be worth their value to collectors of the original release Moffat Collection cars, as the first release of anything is always worth more.

That still doesn't mean that Biante will ever make a second run (even in 10 years time???), but I just wanted to expand on my previous point.

BathurstFan wrote in an earlier post that got me thinking about this whole issue:

"My point is that if a model has been changed from the orginal release where its NOT EXACTLY THE SAME then why can't it be RE-released when technology improves? So DO YOU BELIEVE a model manufacturer in 5 or 10 years time will never ever release a PREVIOUSLY released model again ? Will Biante only end up making current cars when they run out of popular older models in a few years time?"

I feel the same way particularly about the Kyosho GT-R racecar moulds (as seen as the '92 and soon to be released '91 Bathurst winners, as well as various other Japanese Group A touring cars, Calsonic etc.). I would have thought that as the moulds were a decade old, that they may have been updated to produce a better quality of the same car. I would have liked an up-to-date mould of the GT-R to give it the same quality as the cars made by Biante. It would have looked better alongside Biante's Bathurst winners then. I hope that in the next ten years, Kyosho, or someone else revisit these moulds, then make a better mould of the same car , utilising new technological expertise to make it up to date and more representative of that real car.
Perhaps its far too early to make calls for a re-release of something like a Moffat 65E, but certainly something like the Kyosho GT-R is very disappointing, considering the quality now being achieved by companies like Biante, AutoArt, Minichamps etc. I think of all the companies that have made models of, say Porsche 911's, and as the technology allows for better quality models, then they re-release the same car again.

I will come under considerable fire over this, which I understand and accept. But I thought I'd have my say on the issue in any case.

Now, back to the exact topic of this thread - XW/XY GT's.
Sorry for the digression. :p

[7Litre]

I think Guys we are jumping to conclusions to early.
As Admin replied in saying that GT's are going to be released not HO's. 1:18th XY GTHO's for prime example were released in certain amount of colours. If the GT's are released there are numerous colours they can come out in eg: Raw Orange, Black, Limelight Metallic or even Bold Blue.

Let's wait and see what the 'Creators' have in mind and keep an eye out in the "Biante Prototype Window" and then can make our judgement from then.

Don't Bore it, Just Big Block it!!...

[SWRT]

Does this mean any more 1/43 race cars like Bill Browns crash car etc?

[Nick Short]

If I put a 1:18 XY GT next to a 1:18 XY GTHO, what are the differences I would see?

[terrine]

There are only 2 external differences between the XYGT and the XYGTHO.......
1) Rear Spoiler and 2) Front Spoiler and that’s it.

source and more info

http://www.fomoco.com.au/PH3DIFF.html

r/peter

[john]

I reckon if Biante were to implement a permanant re-release plan, from today onwards, it would be terriffic. Just think, if you had just bought a model and knew that 6 or 12 months down the track that another batch, of say -3000 models were to be released, i personally believe this would spoil the fun of these people who are not interested in the models themselves, more so the profits which can be made.
The other side of that story would be that it is too much messing around for Biante.

[bundyncoke]

I recall another company guaranteed that they would never ever re-release another model. OK this was in a different era, well before anything like the quality of Biante came along - and it was good in its time. However, I was mildly dissappointed to have sourced (at a fair market price) a couple of missing XTGT's that I was chasing. Then about 12 months later, they re-relased a car of the same colour, but it was a new mould and had added features like painted engine sump on the underside of the car. Apart from that, not much difference.......

[admin]

Not ONE of the models we have made will be re released.
Thats why I have a certificate with everything.
The cars are revamped in a way that no-one can be duped by someone bodgying up a new one to look like an old one.
Dont forget guys and gals...unlike most in this industry, I am a collector and know all the shifty moves pulled by others in the past.
Other than the Walky, which is discussed elsewhere, no way will we release any model in 2 drops.
Like I said, I am a collector and I know, that like me, all TRUE collectors want the new car NOW!!!
That only puts them more at the mercy of screw merchants who get some of the first release.

[A9L]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by admin
Not ONE of the models we have made will be re released.
Thats why I have a certificate with everything.
The cars are revamped in a way that no-one can be duped by someone bodgying up a new one to look like an old one.
Dont forget guys and gals...unlike most in this industry, I am a collector and know all the shifty moves pulled by others in the past.
Other than the Walky, which is discussed elsewhere, no way will we release any model in 2 drops.
Like I said, I am a collector and I know, that like me, all TRUE collectors want the new car NOW!!!
That only puts them more at the mercy of screw merchants who get some of the first release. [/QUOTE

Admin.all i can say is congratulations! You have changed model collecting for the better. I have never seen any company working so close with the collecter, I still don`t know how you keep up the Q control. I for one am so happy you are also a collector. The only gripe I have ever had is retailers profiting from the true collectors

[BATHURSTFAN]

Can't the Moffat 65e be released in new Bathurst Winners packaging:D :

only kidding, Its the only car that i want & don't have UNLESS I PAY BIG MONEY FOR IT.

:mad:

[Three_o_seven]

Be thankful that you dont have to pay as much as I did in late 1999.......I bought mine in their peak of demand, they were thin on the ground and many would say I payed too much but save your bucks and you can buy one in mint condition for around $500 if you're patient. The prices are steadying on the 65E and if its for your collection you wont regret it.

Jeremy