V8 rumours and gossip 2009

[SS Commodore]

Well it is in Mnews

Davidson to replace Skaife at HRT for 09

[scoota]

god no i hope this is not true keep will at djr

[singer]

Which Davison though?

[Kashmir]

as much as i like Skaife I hope this happens and Davidson can do well and he and Tander would be a good pairing come Bathurst time.

[VE II]

Hopefully Skaife can still stay with HRT in a 3rd car. (if he still enjoys racing etc he should). Id hate to see him go.

[William Hall]

The Davison in question is Will.
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[scoota]

there is a rumour go a round that alex davison may be in line for full time drive at sbr

[singer]

The Davison in question is Will.

I knew that. I was trying to subtly point out that the Driver's name is Davison not Davidson though it could be the other Davison who is doing quite well as an expat

[scoota]

so if this is true should djr sit will out for the rest of the year and bring in stven owen only go to help djr in the long run ???

[8hype]

someone on the other thread said Will signed with hrt for 3 years and skaife to drive pwr car as hrt bought it!

[Chev_350]

someone on the other thread said Will signed with hrt for 3 years and skaife to drive pwr car as hrt bought it!

Well the PWR licence anyway,

[HRT 1-2]

Wasn't there talk that the Rod Nash car is the third in the equation? Although, the PWR license would make more sense seeing as it was an 11th hour inclusion this year due to the lack of a buyer!! I can't remember, who now has the second PWR licence "the ivory" or another team?

[Leigh]

Wasn't it a L1 that Perkins grabbed?

I've lost track LOL

[bimmerboy]

Supercars are not really my thing, and I'll qualify the following by saying it is a completely unsubstantiated rumour that I was told.....

As has been mentioned previously, Jack Daniels are less than impressed with the results achieved with Perkins, especially compared with what their competitors have got out of DJR. As their three year contract is up at the end of the season, they are seriously reviewing their involvement, and are very unlikely to continue with Perkins. While they are considering leaving V8's altogether, this is subject to a viable alternative to Perkins and what that would cost (they want to spend less).

Thus, Cochrane together with Holden Motorsport are trying to arrange a suitable marriage (Holden want to keep the money on the red side, which JD are comfortable with given Beam's involvement with a Ford team).

Now, here is the interesting, but unsubstantiated, part of the story...
Walkinshaw Performance will supply a single JD VE to be run by Marty Brant of Independent Racecars - who did a great job in 2007 running the Autobarn car on the smell of an oily rag. The licence being the ex-Sydney Star one currently held by Cochrane. And the preferred driver being the Steve Owen, the driver of the aforementioned 2007 Autobarn car.....

Hype ? Rumour ? Fact or Fiction ?

[david5]

Thats a great story, hope its true. Where would this leave LPs crew ? Maybe he can pick up the Castrol money, seeing their the wrong colour for FPR.

If all this colour BS is true, can you imgine the sour taste this leaves in new/existing sponsors mouths. In the current economic climate can V8SC be affording to alienate anyone ?

David

[Chev_350]

Wasn't there talk that the Rod Nash car is the third in the equation?

They have signed a multi year deal with bottle-o,

[MP4/22]

If Jack Daniels left Perkins Todd will leave to, the only reason he went to Perkins (not counting been wrongly sacked) was the money they had to help him develop the car.

Were can he go now, he cant even go home to HSVDT because of Dumbrell and his talentless wads of cash.

SBR???

[DJRTOM18]

If Jack Daniels left Perkins Todd will leave to, the only reason he went to Perkins (not counting been wrongly sacked) was the money they had to help him develop the car.

Were can he go now, he cant even go home to HSVDT because of Dumbrell and his talentless wads of cash.

SBR???

DJR?? LOL

[MP4/22]

Well who Knows..........

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,245 07961-39478,00.html

[fordmad17]

Heard today that big changes are going to happen at SBR but they won't be saying untill 1st Jan 09. I seem to remember this happening when Ingall moved there

[spiderken17]

Wasn't there talk that the Rod Nash car is the third in the equation? Although, the PWR license would make more sense seeing as it was an 11th hour inclusion this year due to the lack of a buyer!! I can't remember, who now has the second PWR licence "the ivory" or another team?

V8SC bought back a couple of franchises to reduce the number of cars in the field, i think they might have been the WPS ones though.

[fordmad17]

With all these extra cars I wonder if they will go back to 30 cars.

[inter]

They have signed a multi year deal with bottle-o,

yes a 3 year deal

[supa-roo]

Heres an out of right feild rumour that came down the gapevine

A new ford team with bundy rum sponsership and Mark Noske as one of the drivers

just a rumour though

[singer]

Heard today that big changes are going to happen at SBR but they won't be saying untill 1st Jan 09. I seem to remember this happening when Ingall moved there


That happened when Ingall left Perkins too:rolleyes:

[Skaife fan]

Heres an out of right feild rumour that came down the gapevine

A new ford team with bundy rum sponsership and Mark Noske as one of the drivers

just a rumour though
I heard a couple of months ago about a Bundy rum sponsored car for 09 but didn't take much notice of it, what licence would they use if true.

[fordmad17]

I can see what is going to happen. All the alco sponsorship on cars now like the Cigi Sponsorship of the late 80s early 90s will be banned in the next few years. I can see that coming

[supa-roo]

I heard a couple of months ago about a Bundy rum sponsored car for 09 but didn't take much notice of it, what licence would they use if true.

Yeh I heard that last year bundy was gunna sponsor 1 of the Stones cars, but was not to be.

Don't know about the other, thats all that was being rumoured around

[supa-roo]

I can see what is going to happen. All the alco sponsorship on cars now like the Cigi Sponsorship of the late 80s early 90s will be banned in the next few years. I can see that coming

Being one of those nutters that doesn't realy drink, all this booze sponsorship makes it a hard choice when I do have a sip :rolleyes:
Bloody do gooders

Wish they could bring back ciggi sponsorship, it's a hard choice now with so many brands to choose from. :D

[fordmad17]

Just had on the news Stevie Johnson may be on the move. Dick wants he to stay but he wants to do whats good for the team and himself. Not sure what he means by that

[no1holdenfan]

Ford want out of TKR contract
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/ford-stuck-with-team-kiwi-racing-sponsorship-36653

[Chev_350]

Heres an out of right feild rumour that came down the gapevine

A new ford team with bundy rum sponsership and Mark Noske as one of the drivers


why Noske? what has he done?

[supa-roo]

why Noske? what has he done?

just the word getting around

he's done some good things hasn't he :confused:

must be doing something ok, still gets a drive at the enduro's
or might be just cheap lol

[brad]

he is as good as kelly maybe better. just always got stuffed with bad luck.. ran in a 360 for PHR in nations cup in 2000 then got screwed when PHR went to v8s in 01..
think he broke his arm in 2000 too.. But still if he had a consistent drive he;d be up there.. i thought he should have done dev series in 03 rather then main game with an AU.

[Chev_350]

what does he do now apart from the V8 Enduros?

[supa-roo]

what does he do now apart from the V8 Enduros?

looks after his new baby most of the time

he would have done very well if his old man had have kept to sprint cars and left Marks career alone

[scoota]

Just had on the news Stevie Johnson may be on the move. Dick wants he to stay but he wants to do whats good for the team and himself. Not sure what he means by that

yes i saw this on the news to . may be this migth mean that the last say on driver line at djr for 2009 . migth not be up to dick him self

so could well see 2 new drivers at djr next year

[brad]

dunno, dropped off the map after he ran the WPS car in 04. pretty rough, gets WPS in then gets dumped after getting 00 03 cars which weren't developed at all.

all he needs is seat time and he'd be as good as any :)

but don't forget PHR were stupid... that BUD falcon rocked would have been awesome to see that run after bathurst. he got hurt driving their mustang at canberra too..

[Armageddon]

As we all nw there are heaps of rumours floating around, the Bundy one has been floasting around since last year, they where rumoured to be going to the #9 car with SVG, so hearing it again is no real coincidence, I just hope they do go to a blue team. Coca-Cola was also rumoured to be going to SBR but again it didn't happen. As for the colour debate, rumour has it that the Ford funded cars need to be 75% Blue, so it should make a few things interesting for next year and give guys like Rob a hard time of coming up with a design that all parties will be happy with!

AS for the JDR Stuff, If they do leave LPM I would expect them to be looking further up the grid, while the boys at Independant might be able to do a good job they might not be able to move up the grid. I also fell the JD wants to be associated with a 'name' makes great marketing sense!

There are a few rumours floating around at PCR too, Paul did say he wants to run a second car next season remember!

[GRPIII]

isnt there a rumour round about a red bull sponsered holden team?
rick seemed to have a red bull in his hand alot at bathurst.

[Armageddon]

Yeah that is another one I forgot about, the rumour is Red Bull to sponsor RK at maybe HSVDT, Red Bull is already a personal sponsor of RK so this is more than likely the reason why his name is always associated with the deal, this deal was also floated last year.

[the_goldie]

I am surprised Rick was not flying around bathurst given the amount of Red Bull he must drink... Be nice to see red bull as a livery on his car.

[ViperSRT10]

Maybe this might be a chance for someone who is handy on the pc to do a mock up of a proposed HSVDT "Red Bull" livery for 2009???

[Maq]

The Stones Want the naming rights for Team Kiwi to run on car 9 for next year

[david5]

rick seemed to have a red bull in his hand alot at bathurst.

Thats not all.

If SBR wanted alcho sponsorship, the choice is obvious, STONES Green Ginger ine. :D

David

[Rob]

Maybe this might be a chance for someone who is handy on the pc to do a mock up of a proposed HSVDT "Red Bull" livery for 2009???

Just go over to v8central.com. There's plenty over there.

[scoota]

Heres an out of right feild rumour that came down the gapevine

A new ford team with bundy rum sponsership and Mark Noske as one of the drivers

just a rumour though

migth be some thing in this that sbr was selling bundy rum merchandise last year.. test the water may be

[wazza002]

Soon all we will see on the car's will be grog. what next :rolleyes:

[Maq]

nicorette (spelling?)and Nurofen +

[wazza002]

No A.A.A. class :rolleyes:

[Chev_350]

nicorette

Don't laugh, they did some NASCAR races with Jeff Gordon this year and last year, which was funny as back before 2003 the series was sponsored by a smoke mob,

[Armageddon]

Don't laugh, they did some NASCAR races with Jeff Gordon this year and last year, which was funny as back before 2003 the series was sponsored by a smoke mob,

Jeff still does races with it, they alternate it during the year, same with Pepsi. Also a few years back a certain little blue pill sponsored Mark Martin!

[supa-roo]

Jeff still does races with it, they alternate it during the year, same with Pepsi. Also a few years back a certain little blue pill sponsored Mark Martin!

"little blue pill", I think they'd have a hard time getting that past the goal posts over here with the dogooders :rolleyes2:

[david5]

Haha, HARD time.

David

[wayno]

If a sponsor wants to put money into a sport and it's not a health hazard then the team would be very stiff to miss out due to the wowsers. :p

[cooper1117]

If a sponsor wants to put money into a sport and it's not a health hazard then the team would be very stiff to miss out due to the wowsers. :p

I disagree and say those sponsors should erect a bridge and get over it.

[HRT 1-2]

I doubt it would ever stand up if it went to court!!:o

[wayno]

Seems we'll have to agree to be poles apart on this issue. ;)

[ViperSRT10]

Clowns!....aren't we straying a bit here?

[Rob]

I have done a few proposals over the years for these types of companies/products.
The problem is most of these companies get government (re: our $$$) funding so it's
not good PR for them to then pour that $$$ into motorsport.

[david5]

Yes, we cant condom, er, condone this sort of behavior :rolleyes:

David

[GRPIII]

they say you,ve got to hard at bathurst all day.

[david5]

they say you,ve got to hard at bathurst all day.

put in the big ones.

OK Im finished. :p

[Tumbo]

so we've now seen the NSW government pass a law regarding cigarette advertising at sporting events - any chance we may see a return of some famous liveries at bathurst for example

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=652153

also regarding alcohol sponsership there has been discussion w/ our health minister seeking to have grog advertising banned too :rolleyes:

[ViperSRT10]

Correct advertising on model cars to follow????

[Tumbo]

i strongly doubt that

[supa-roo]

put in the big ones.

OK Im finished. :p

Man i'm having a hard time following this thread

Me too, i'm finished :jester:

[Maq]

Even if they allow it on a car in nsw I think it will not happen as no other states will not want it on TV. Unless We see blury cars racing. I think this is a stupid Idea promoting something that is deadly and causes so many peoplr so much heart ache. Should be anti smoking products and Schemes not Cigs. STUPID IDEA. way to turn back the clock. Socially irresposible :shame:

[Tumbo]

actually the cars WILL be allowed on TV - there are no laws regarding use of tobacco logos on television - as we currently see w/ F1 and vintage racing footage ;)

[Maq]

Q: Did Stoners bike run Cig sponsor at PI

[k1w1taxi]

Don't laugh, they did some NASCAR races with Jeff Gordon this year and last year, which was funny as back before 2003 the series was sponsored by a smoke mob,

IIRC they were also personal Sponsors of Richard Burns, when we had a real WRC

Cheers
Lee

[supa-roo]

Heres an out of right feild rumour that came down the gapevine

A new ford team with bundy rum sponsership and Mark Noske as one of the drivers

just a rumour though

Just a quick amendment to this rumour
I'ts not a Bundy sponsorship, it's a whole new CAT team along the lines of Briggs motorsport a few years ago.

Still, Just a rumour though

[barnart]

Cat were going to fully sponsor a team in 2008, but maybe it will be 2009.

[supa-roo]

CAT have done a quite a bit over the years in regards to sponsorship, I think it would be good to see them with a full livery car again

[Nate07]

I hope this rumour is true. I love the CAT livery!

[brchi17]

Q: Did Stoners bike run Cig sponsor at PI

no he ran the barcode, now back to the v8's.....

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned Bundy Rum on a SBR, however that's not going to happen. Why? Ford have put an anti-alcohol clause on their factory sponsorship, so not only do their cars have to be predominately blue, but they can't carry alcohol sponsorship, which brings up my next suggestion/question....I wonder if we'll see Volvo/Volvo Trucks reappear with SBR & FPR as the only reason they left DJR was because of what Jim Beem is...

[hobby]

Just a quick amendment to this rumour
I'ts not a Bundy sponsorship, it's a whole new CAT team along the lines of Briggs motorsport a few years ago.

Still, Just a rumour though

I don't want to be seen as throwing water on the coals

There was talk that caterpillar are pulling out of supplying motors to everything but earth moving equipment eg no motors for marine , buses etc.
and was looking at reducing sponsorship to many events.

I hope you are correct as the sport needs major stable sponsers

[wrxwrc]

Rumour announced that Rick Kelly & Todd Kelly to drive again together next year "doing there own thing"!!
Very interesting....

[brchi17]

Rumour announced that Rick Kelly & Todd Kelly to drive again together next year "doing there own thing"!!
Very interesting....

...interesting that it would be said on the telly, so perhaps there is some truth in it ???

[Rob]

....I wonder if we'll see Volvo/Volvo Trucks reappear with SBR & FPR as the only reason they left DJR was because of what Jim Beem is...

Volvo Trucks already sponsor FPR. They have all year.

[Armageddon]

Can you confirm or deny that Ford Alcohol stuff Rob?

[Chev_350]

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned Bundy Rum on a SBR, however that's not going to happen. Why? Ford have put an anti-alcohol clause on their factory sponsorship, so not only do their cars have to be predominately blue, but they can't carry alcohol sponsorship, which brings up my next suggestion/question....I wonder if we'll see Volvo/Volvo Trucks reappear with SBR & FPR as the only reason they left DJR was because of what Jim Beem is...

suppose that puts rest to the Todd Kelly to SBR with Jack Daniels talk, plus the fact Todd doesn't want to relocate is family right now.

[commanderwhite]

Makes sense the two boys got together - I have heard that they maybe driving VE's with Red Bull (Rick) & Bundy Rum (Todd) sponsorship.

[group C]

Makes sense the two boys got together - I have heard that they maybe driving VE's with Red Bull (Rick) & Bundy Rum (Todd) sponsorship.

Has this been conformed were was this rumour heard on tv or radio(Rick and Todd driving in same team??)
As my understanding is Todd would not team up with Rick at hsvdt??

[commanderwhite]

I heard this from 2 sources.

1 - From a mate who lives in melb & works at a major holden dealership.

2 - From CH7 today - they stated that the boys would be together but doing their own thing.

The other rumour I have heard that Steve Owen will sign on with Jack Daniels Racing & LP - should be a good combo as Owen is developing into a top steerer.

[Chev_350]

Has this been conformed were was this rumour heard on tv or radio(Rick and Todd driving in same team??)
As my understanding is Todd would not team up with Rick at hsvdt??

Maybe its not V8s, Bathurst 12hour maybe?

[Poita]

Bundy Rum have stated before they will not sponsor motorsport, this from there website.

"Please note that as a manufacturer of alcohol, we have a social obligation to promote responsible consumption of alcohol. Sponsorship may only be sought for activities or events aimed at assisting audiences over 18 years of age.

Therefore we are unable to assist with fundraisers or sponsorships for SCHOOLS or JUNIOR CLUBS and any events associated with motor sports or jet boating."

[Chev_350]

Wait they sponsor Rugby/Rugby League right?

[Rob]

Can you confirm or deny that Ford Alcohol stuff Rob?

Never come across is being prohibited in previous years. It might be apart of the new "2009 factory" deals with FPR and SBR?? I guess manufacturers need to be careful who is aligned with their product. Drink-driving, excessive alcohol and driver behaviour are major community issues. It sort of forces the teams look for funding from other sources too. In years past it's been mainly automotive company's and now days it's alcohol and energy drinks.

As for Bundy, there would need to be a major re-think on policy before they get involved in motorsport - as pointed out be poita.
Having said that, it hasn't stopped teams from trying in the past and I would think into the future.

[Skaife fan]

Rumour announced that Rick Kelly & Todd Kelly to drive again together next year "doing there own thing"!!
Very interesting....
It's going to be quite a silly season indeed, would Rick join toddler at JDR or are they going to buy the PWR licence and keep one of the licences that the Kelly's own.It's all very confusing. :confused::D

[mick xu1]

I wonder if this has somthing to do with Uncle Tom........if so he's not making himself very popular, He is a good operator but i reckon he would be a hard man to work for

[Skaife fan]

I wonder if this has somthing to do with Uncle Tom........if so he's not making himself very popular, He is a good operator but i reckon he would be a hard man to work for
True, both would have there reasons to be annoyed (putting it mildly)with him.Toddler for getting the boot from HRT and Rick for having his team dessimated.So for both to start there own team could be quite good for them.

[VE II]

I thought HSVDT was owned and ran by the Kelly family?

[gab73]

I thought HSVDT was owned and ran by the Kelly family?
Was, but thast didn't stop "uncle Tom" from moving half the staff to HRT.
Hint, its not owned by them now.

[brchi17]

I thought HSVDT was owned and ran by the Kelly family?

The Kelly's own the racing licence (franchise) and basically that's it! Everything else, personnel, vehicles, etc..., are supplied from Walkinshaw Performance, hence why what happened at the end of last year did happen ;)

[VE II]

Ah cheers, thanks for that gab and brad
Something i found interesting was that the "trophy" handed out to the winner (a surf board) has a HRT car on it! I know its do with the logo and promotion for indy - funny though :D:rolleyes:

[Designer]

Ah cheers, thanks for that gab and brad
Something i found interesting was that the "trophy" handed out to the winner (a surf board) has a HRT car on it! I know its do with the logo and promotion for indy - funny though :D:rolleyes:

They choose the prettiest car to go on the surfboard....:D

[Kashmir]

They choose the prettiest car to go on the surfboard....:D

GT's car looked so much better with his "stylised" 1 on the roof rather than the 60th anniversary on the roof.

[Designer]

GT's car looked so much better with his "stylised" 1 on the roof rather than the 60th anniversary on the roof.

Cant disagree with that. ;)

[Armageddon]

They choose the prettiest car to go on the surfboard....:D

HAHAHA WRONG!!!! I would have picked the Bathurst car over that, if it had to be a Holden!

[Designer]

HAHAHA WRONG!!!! I would have picked the Bathurst car over that, if it had to be a Holden!

:) I prefer the original still

[gab73]

Interesting reading.http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/motorspor t/skaife-wont-be-shunted/2008/10/18/1223750399228.html

[firemansam]

Am I the only one who noticed that when the Kelly brothers rumour was mentioned on the telecast Matty White seemed eager to talk about it a little more and Neil just changed the subject as quick as he could. It kind of made me think he knew a lot more about it but didn't want to get into trouble, he just carried on as if it had never even been mentioned. Then again I could have been imagining things. Its the daylight savings, its messing with my head.

[hobby]

W.A Government announced today that the Red Bull air race will miss Perth next year but will be back in the following years.
also mentioned that another big announcement will be made next week, but would not give any information.
when asked if it involved the V8 Supercars they said there had been no discussion in regard to this, other than there will not be a street race and that the new minister said she had not had talks with V8 Supercars Australia.
could be cat and mouse ,could be miss out, could be in regard to the football stadium.
Time will tell
will keep you informed as i hear any more

[firemansam]

W.A Government announced today that the Red Bull air race will miss Perth next year but will be back in the following years.
also mentioned that another big announcement will be made next week, but would not give any information.
when asked if it involved the V8 Supercars they said there had been no discussion in regard to this, other than there will not be a street race and that the new minister said she had not had talks with V8 Supercars Australia.
could be cat and mouse ,could be miss out, could be in regard to the football stadium.
Time will tell
will keep you informed as i hear any more

And when they asked her if she liked the V8's she said she new nothing about them. I got the impression that it was something new so I am not expecting it to be the football stadium but who knows

[kts350]

Am I the only one who noticed that when the Kelly brothers rumour was mentioned on the telecast Matty White seemed eager to talk about it a little more and Neil just changed the subject as quick as he could. It kind of made me think he knew a lot more about it but didn't want to get into trouble, he just carried on as if it had never even been mentioned. Then again I could have been imagining things. Its the daylight savings, its messing with my head.

I noticed it, first thing that popped into my mind was why did cromley change the subject..

[singer]

I wonder if this has somthing to do with Uncle Tom........if so he's not making himself very popular, He is a good operator but i reckon he would be a hard man to work for

*Uncle Tom" is not a good operator! He knows the right buttons to push & when to push them otherwise he wouldn't have been able to switch HRT.HSV Team Membership ie engineers, Race Mechanics suspension personnel. I believe if you have a Customer paying the bills they should have some input into the management of the Team

He may be a "smart" operator but just because he aint a Bankrupt, doesn't mean that he still doesn't sail close to the wind with the Rule Books.

Its not just the Kelly's he upset, look around ALL the Holden Cars suppled with TW's parts

I believe that the current Execs at Holden want to keep their distance from Uncle Tom as they can see another Arrows fiasco if they don't keep an eye on TW's operations. Holden own a majority of the HSV set up & as I am led to understand they still have a finger in the pie at HRT so that TW does not gain anymore of it than he already owns.

Speculation that I've heard is that TW bought Elfin so that he could do a lot more of the Engine work on the V8a away from the spotlight which his involvement with the V8s has.

Scuttle but has it that TW started the parity issue again when his Customers started complaining to deflect the criticism, he just had someone else do the asking. Rumor or not, I reckon that where there's smoke there's fire

Watch him bail if (maybe when) the going gets too tough, & given the current Global Fincial Crisis, I believe that times are going to get a lot tougher for all concerned

[spoonster05]

IIRC Ken it's Walkinshaw who has the controlling interest in Premoso (the HSV parent company) as Premoso is fully owned by another Walkinshaw family company

One of the reasons HSV wasn't caught up in the Arrows collapse was that Premoso wasn't linked with TWR

[singer]

IIRC Ken it's Walkinshaw who has the controlling interest in Premoso (the HSV parent company) as Premoso is fully owned by another Walkinshaw family company

One of the reasons HSV wasn't caught up in the Arrows collapse was that Premoso wasn't linked with TWR

Are you sure? I remember at the time of the pb/holden bust up GMH stated that they would never give a Link to the Holden name like they did with HDT.

I think you'll find that the split of ownership in HSV runs along the lines GMH 51% Premoso 49%. Happy to be corrected if thats wrong.
Cheers

[HRT 1-2]

Are you sure? I remember at the time of the pb/holden bust up GMH stated that they would never give a Link to the Holden name like they did with HDT.

I think you'll find that the split of ownership in HSV runs along the lines GMH 51% Premoso 49%. Happy to be corrected if thats wrong.
Cheers

Wasn't the original HSV deal secured by tender?? If Holden had a % ownership of HSV would it make the awarding of the tender illegal?

[bimmerboy]

I noticed Cromley didn't bite on to the Kelly rumour on Ch7 too. But then he generally doesn't discuss "rumours" anyway.

My perception of what was said or implied (and putting two and two together and getting about fifteen........), is that the Kelly brothers are going to establish their own team, and presumably use Mum & Dads licences. Obviously this raises the on-going question of sponsors (Red Bull & JD ??) and more interestingly, where are the cars and equipment coming from ? Would Walkinshaw supply still if they walk away ? Tasman maybe ?

And where does that leave HSVDT ? With Dumbrell and the Autobarn money, and in need of a licence. Will Gary Dumbrell buy the PWR licence if he hasn't already ?

[david5]

Wouldnt the purchase of HSVDT included the licence ? What else would Dumbrells be buying ? The cars & equipment all come from WP. Dumbrells have the wherewithall to obtain a workshop & transporters. WP would enter a commercial agreement to supply another team if need be. So IMO the only thing worth buying would be the licence. Getting the personnel & data etc would be an added bonus.

Just guessing.

David

[Chev_350]

I noticed Cromley didn't bite on to the Kelly rumour on Ch7 too. But then he generally doesn't discuss "rumours" anyway.

I remember a V8 Superstars program from 2002 when they were discussing Ingalls future, Ingall didn't want to talk and Cromley pulled out a can of Caltex oil....

[spoonster05]

Wasn't the original HSV deal secured by tender?? If Holden had a % ownership of HSV would it make the awarding of the tender illegal?

Correct, Premoso (trading as Holden Special Vehicles & Holden By Design) was originally given a 20 year licencing arrangement with Holden to be their performance arm

This has since been renewed with an extra ten years added to the arrangement

There are some Holden staff on the board of directors but Holden doesn't have any shareholdings in Premoso

[Leigh]

Premoso is owned by Walkinshaw and operates Holdens' performance arm...

This is very different to Walkinshaw owning the performance arm, which is what Brock did.

The difference being is that it is easier for Holdens to sever ties with Walkinshaw than it was with Brock. Of course there would need to be "breach" or "performance" issues for Holdens to take such action.

[mick xu1]

They choose the prettiest car to go on the surfboard....:D

Pete i agree, i got the Skaife members only car the other day....IMO i think it is the best HRT ever....Pure Class..... it looks fantastic

[singer]

Pete i agree, i got the Skaife members only car the other day....IMO i think it is the best HRT ever....Pure Class..... it looks fantastic

I rec'd my Skaife members Car today AGREEMENT ALL ROUND HOORAY:cool:

[Designer]

Pete i agree, i got the Skaife members only car the other day....IMO i think it is the best HRT ever....Pure Class..... it looks fantastic

I was just being a smarty bum Mick ;), but nice words indeed. Thankyou.
I'd like to see that number 2 car at the pointy end a bit more though :)

HRT are a team who understand image, and they trust me 100%, and never change anything without approval...that's the way they are, professional and heavy attention to detail.

Many of the other teams modify or slap on sponsers anywhere, not staying true to the original design concept like HRT does...in the end I think it shows on track. Hard to convince the teams this is the case...

888 are the other team with consistant branding and attention to detail of aesthetics...

Life goe on...end rant:D

[Kashmir]

I noticed on the HRT cars at Bathurst and Indy they have put 1300HRTSHOP abouve the doors which IMO has made the livery a bit more cluttered.

[Designer]

I noticed on the HRT cars at Bathurst and Indy they have put 1300HRTSHOP abouve the doors which IMO has made the livery a bit more cluttered.

True...that will change next year.

[Chev_350]

another good read http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24554853-23770,00.html

[hobby]

Imagine if you can
Jamie Whincup going on present form wins the 2008 Championship
Triple eight racing in 2009 goes thru with the threat to not carry any Ford logo's on their cars, due to Ford withdrawing sponsorship to all but 2 teams.
this would be the first time ever a number 1 would be displayed on a no brand car,

it soon will be silly season

[Maq]

With the shell and panel scheme that ford has with teams, I personaly think that they will be made to run the grill badge. (maybe not but maybe)

[brchi17]

Imagine if you can
Jamie Whincup going on present form wins the 2008 Championship
Triple eight racing in 2009 goes thru with the threat to not carry any Ford logo's on their cars, due to Ford withdrawing sponsorship to all but 2 teams.
this would be the first time ever a number 1 would be displayed on a no brand car,

it soon will be silly season

With the shell and panel scheme that ford has with teams, I personaly think that they will be made to run the grill badge. (maybe not but maybe)

Not that big a deal imho, as some might recall that during Johnson's Sierra era they didn't run any Ford logos from 88 thru to late 91/early 92, so it wouldn't be anything new for the champion from the Ford camp not to have the blue oval on their race car ;)

[Rob]

I am pretty sure it's a requirement of the V8 Supercar sporting rules to run the badges.
HSVDT tried in vain to change the Lion badge on Rick's "Buick" for the China round but
were denied. Interestingly HRT ran the Chevy bowtie on Todd's last year in Bahrain.

PCR have had no Ford funding yet still run the badge. Same with TKR.
888 will not have to have the Ford logo on merch/team apparel though.

[monarocveightz]

Not that big a deal imho, as some might recall that during Johnson's Sierra era they didn't run any Ford logos from 88 thru to late 91/early 92, so it wouldn't be anything new for the champion from the Ford camp not to have the blue oval on their race car ;)

And Brocky had a badge that read "Brock" on his Sierra isntead of Ford too;)

[spaman]

THE Kelly gang is planning to dominate the V8 Supercars in 2009 and beyond.
Bathurst winners Todd and Rick Kelly will team up in a pair of family-owned Holden Commodores from next season.
Their parents John and Margaret Kelly will invest in the team to reclaim control of their sons' pit garage.
Former V8 Supercars champion Rick will be backed by Red Bull in 2009, while Todd could arrive from Larry Perkins' team with Jack Daniel's as sponsor.
The new-look Kelly crew boasts an imposing V8 Supercars record, with two Bathurst wins, two drivers' titles and two championships from the time it was known as K mart Racing.
The brothers will still race with Commodores supplied by Holden Motorsport, but the team's race base will move away from Clayton in Melbourne and all control will revert to John Kelly and his pitlane crew.
The Kelly change comes at a turbulent time in V8 Supercars racing. Mark Skaife is set to confirm his retirement from race driving tomorrow, while several frontline drivers, including James Courtney, Will Davison and Steven Johnson, are moving teams next season.
It also means the end of the four-car Tom Walkinshaw 'super team' that had combined the drivers and resources of the Holden Racing Team and the Kelly gang's Toll-HSV Racing.
John Kelly was guarded about the new-look team yesterday.
"It's too early to be saying anything yet. We want to wait until everything is finalised," he said.
The Kelly reunion will bring Rick and Todd together fulltime for the first time, although the pair are unlikely to share a car at the Bathurst or Phillip Island endurance races next year because of the split sponsorship plan.
It means Paul Dumbrell will leave the Kelly compound. But he is likely to stay under the Holden Motorsport umbrella, with Walkinshaw looking for a V8 Supercars franchise - at least two are for sale for $1.5 million each - to run a third car alongside HRT.
With Skaife's retirement, Davison will be joining Garth Tander at Holden.
Davison had seemed likely to re-sign with Dick Johnson's revitalised Ford team, but moved quickly to take up the HRT offer once Courtney was confirmed as team leader at Jim Beam Racing.
The domino effect in V8 Supercars means Steven Johnson could easily switch from his father's team to Stone Brothers Racing, as a replacement for Courtney.
His name was also mentioned at the Gold Coast Indy meeting at the weekend as a chance to take the cold Kelly seat with Larry Perkins.
Alex Davison could also return from Porsche racing in Europe to drive a second Falcon for Paul Cruickshank as teammate to Fabian Coulthard.
And Queensland's Carrera Cup winner James Moffat is firming for a V8 Supercar upgrade in the Fujitsu Series in 2009.

[malscar]

And Brocky had a badge that read "Brock" on his Sierra isntead of Ford too;)


Bondy had the ford badge in red to match his Sierra.

[barnart]

With the shell and panel scheme that ford has with teams, I personaly think that they will be made to run the grill badge. (maybe not but maybe)

There will be no Ford badges or the Ford name on the cars

[Chev_350]

PCR have had no Ford funding yet still run the badge. Same with TKR.
888 will not have to have the Ford logo on merch/team apparel though.

As did WPS when they ran, and you know how they felt about not having any Ford support.

[Poita]

There will be no Ford badges or the Ford name on the cars
Spoke to Dick at Bathurst and he stated they must run Ford badges. Ford after all are still suppling them with the shell and panels for 2009.

[awawaw]

its not like no one will know its not a Ford so does it even matter if they do or dont have badges??? its a silly point.

[Maq]

If they give them the car I think they are intittled to have there badge on it. Would be different if they bought them

[Chev_350]

If they give them the car I think they are intittled to have there badge on it. Would be different if they bought them

Again, I think it is in the rules, there are a number of teams who have bought cars that are not supported by Ford, yet run the badges.

[12paul12]

Sorry put this in the wrong thread

Word form an insider:

Courtney to DJR
Owen to DJR (old news)
Junior (custard .. his words) to Pmr (PM TO RETIRE)
Perkins down to one car
Kelly boys to take Jack Daniels money
.....

[Pug205]

This would have to be the crazest silly season V8's has ever had!

Junior to PMM? I can see that and think that would be a pretty good move for both him and the team. With a Johnson there and Morris gone - they would be the only Holden team I wouldn't mind seeing win.


So the Kelly "Superteam" will have a Red Bull car and a Jack Daniel's one? Funny having two different drink sponsers in the one team. I hope they do not team up and combine the schemes for Bathurst - drink would taste terrible too :D

[Armageddon]

NO it is not confirmed yet that Red Bull or JD will sponsor the Kelly's.

[Kashmir]

Johnson to PMM that could be interesting.

[barnart]

Shell adds (were): Dick & Barry

Supercheap adds (could be): Ingall & Junior Johnson

Would be a good marketing move for Supercheap.

[Chev_350]

So the Kelly "Superteam" will have a Red Bull car and a Jack Daniel's one? Funny having two different drink sponsers in the one team. I hope they do not team up and combine the schemes for Bathurst - drink would taste terrible too :D

Todd's car should have Smirnoff or some other vodka sponsor....Would make sense,

[spoonster05]

Todd's car should have Smirnoff or some other vodka sponsor....Would make sense,

Actually Jagermeister would be a better fit given the popularity of Jager Bombs..... :D:p

[firemansam]

Actually Jagermeister would be a better fit given the popularity of Jager Bombs..... :D:p

Haha! Thats true. However they have a responsiblity not to promote the two together I believe.

[BILLFORD1]

Interesting......IF it turns out to be true, then the original Marketing Strategy has done a 180. I seem to remember when the announcement was made about JD going to be the major sponsor of Perkins Racing, that the 'brand' was not tied to the drivers but to LP himself ????....I guess we will see, I may be wrong or there may indeed have been a rewrite of the LPR/JD contract.

[wayno]

Would not surprise me as the results they've had lately have been poor to say the least.

[lukey73]

Given the turnaround in performance for the JD squad of late it may cause a re-think.

It will interesting to see what happens with TK i thought it would be a long term relationship like that LP thought would happen with S. Richards as they are all mechanically/engineering minded and are a great fit. I really think Todd needs to give it another year with LP as the results have shown lately the car is quick.

[brchi17]

very true Luke, Todds year has been a bit of a roller coaster, just look back over the past two rounds as a classic example. At Bathurst he wasn't even competitive, yet two weeks later at Indy, he's back in the mix...

It seems to me that Todd's biggest problem at Perkins is the lack of a competitive team mate. I'm sure if he was able to have someone he could share with, rather than have to teach to, then I feel he may be doing a little better.

[spiderken17]

Maybe Mack trucks would sponsor LP next year if JD pull the plug? They already sponsor Jack's Fujitsu car nad are minor sponsors on the main game cars. I reckon Jacks car looks pretty cool as well.

[Pug205]

Jack's development car looks abit cheap to me, but I like that idea. Have a big bulldog graphic on the car to make it look really tough!

[BILLFORD1]

Otherwise, if Jack deserts the LPR operation, they may be back to scratch & having to hunt up a completely new sponsor such as "Steggles Frozen Chooks". :D

[david5]

Just a thought out of left field, what about Perkins supplying/maintaining the Kellys. Given the Kelly families recent treatment from TW & TKs known wish not to be associated with TW & his desire to say with LP, maybe an arangement that suits everyone.

David

[bills]

Ih heard Cam Mcconville said Hrt will announce there drivers in the next week or so.

[CowboyMatt]

I know it's silly season and nothing is confirmed but if the rumours are out there what is the reason for Courtney moving to DJR? Why would he leave SBR (a better team)? There was another rumour of a supposed 3-car FPR team he was supposed to be part of.

[Holdennumber1]

I know it's silly season and nothing is confirmed but if the rumours are out there what is the reason for Courtney moving to DJR? Why would he leave SBR (a better team)? There was another rumour of a supposed 3-car FPR team he was supposed to be part of. SBR a better team? DJR are currently doing way better with Will Davison in the top five in the Championship. To me, Courtney will be better off in a team on the rise instead of one on its way down (since Ambrose and Ingall left, they've been doing a bit average, and Courtney isn't getting any better).
Cheers,
Thomas

[lukey73]

I know it's silly season and nothing is confirmed but if the rumours are out there what is the reason for Courtney moving to DJR? Why would he leave SBR (a better team)? There was another rumour of a supposed 3-car FPR team he was supposed to be part of.


The 3rd SBR car got canned as it was supposed to the rising star licence of Jim Norton wish he is keeping. With Ford cutting dollars every where they couldnt afford to run it with the factory team.

DJR would be better than SBR as they are 888 chassis's and DJR have always had good power so there is nothing wrong with the move there. Basically a 4 car 888 team ;)

[brchi17]

The 3rd SBR car got canned as it was supposed to the rising star licence of Jim Norton wish he is keeping. With Ford cutting dollars every where they couldnt afford to run it with the factory team.

DJR would be better than SBR as they are 888 chassis's and DJR have always had good power so there is nothing wrong with the move there. Basically a 4 car 888 team ;)

Luke enews is saying that the 3rd SBR car will be for Jason Bright using his Britek licence, but being run as an in house SBR car....this then makes it rather interesting for Marshall considering the rumors of him going it alone......I wonder where this leaves the rest of the Britek crew in Dandenong....:confused:

Also agree on your DJR comments, their biggest problem in the past was getting all their power to the ground and you can pin point their return to the front as the very same day they got the triple 8 rear suspension fitted to their car! With a T8 FG Falcon & a super strong DJR donk, it's got to be one of the best cars from the Falcon flock!

[bills]

Can someone tell us the news from the latest enews edition?

[Chev_350]

Luke enews is saying that the 3rd SBR car will be for Jason Bright using his Britek licence, but being run as an in house SBR car....this then makes it rather interesting for Marshall considering the rumors of him going it alone......I wonder where this leaves the rest of the Britek crew in Dandenong....:confused:


SBR or FPR?

[brchi17]

Can someone tell us the news from the latest enews edition?

for $1 a week you can read it yourself ;)

[bills]

for $1 a week you can read it yourself ;)


stuff that! what a waste rather read the herald sun.

[the_goldie]

Some headlines from enews-
Bright to reunite with SBR in a 3rd entry.
HYL may be back with HSVDT out...
Ingall would like to drive with Skaife at Bathurst!
D'Albertos car for Bahrain will have Hertz sponsorship due to the alcohol laws in Bahrain.

[Poita]

Britek Media Release

04 November 2008
BRIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP PROSPECTS WITH STONE BROTHERS RACING


In a bold announcement Fujitsu Racing’s Jason Bright has revealed that he will be setting his sights on winning the 2009 V8 Supercar Championship Series behind the wheel of a Stone Brothers Racing (SBR) prepared Ford Falcon.

Bright’s #25 Fujitsu Racing entry and key staff from his Britek Motorsport operation will relocate to SBRs Queensland based facility, and equally as boldly, create a three-car “Superteam” to take on the likes of the Holden Racing Team, Triple Eight Race Engineering and Ford Performance Racing.

An enthusiastic Bright is convinced the alignment of the two operations will see instant success on track.

“This is the perfect opportunity to return to the pointy end of the field and the timing for this merger has never been better,” said Bright.

“I’ve tried to push the Fujitsu Racing Falcon well into the top ten and have done so on a number of occasions. However, with a new car coming on stream and the changes in fuel technology we simply don’t have the resources, or time, to research and develop what is needed to be competitive.

“Ross and Jimmy Stone have made great strides in these areas and already have a race-winning package.

“I am delighted to be able to return to a team I enjoyed so much success with when I first started my V8 Supercar career. I’m after my first V8 championship starting right now.”

A decision on the second, currently IRWIN Industrial Tools sponsored, Britek entry will not be made until early December, but this car would also benefit from the SBR alignment and all options are currently being considered.

[hobby]

stuff that! what a waste rather read the herald sun.

or the "Truth"

[bills]

anyone know who the new driver for irwin racing is?

[Chev_350]

wonder if a Britek sponsor will go to the #4 since they are looking for one.

[brchi17]

anyone know who the new driver for irwin racing is?

couldn't you find the answer in the Herald-Sun :p ???

[HRT 1-2]

anyone know who the new driver for irwin racing is?

Alex Davison.

[bills]

couldn't you find the answer in the Herald-Sun :p ???

nup couldnt find it. So no more marcus marshall?

[Armageddon]

nup couldnt find it. So no more marcus marshall?

Marcus has purchased the #50 PWR Licence to start his own team, this was confirmed last week.

[Chev_350]

Great, someone who probably doesn't deserve a seat sticking around alot longer.

[inter]

Marcus has purchased the #50 PWR Licence to start his own team, this was confirmed last week.


so what is happening to the second Brigtek license?

[Armageddon]

From what I understand they are still holding it, just trying to work things out for next year in regards to sponsor and driver, Rob should be able to confirm this.

[inter]

From what I understand they are still holding it, just trying to work things out for next year in regards to sponsor and driver, Rob should be able to confirm this.

cheers

[DJRTOM18]

Just heard that Indy cars will not compete on Gold Coast Next year, still have race meeting as the A1 Championship will be the main race. Does any one have any more information on this?

[Richard Poole]

so what is happening to the second Brigtek license?

From What enews says, Dumbrell has bought the PWR license and Marshall will run his own team under the other Britek license.

[Armageddon]

Thats interesting, I was told that Marshall had bought the PWR licence and equipment, Truck and Trailer mainly.

[Rob]

Marcus has purchased the #50 PWR Licence to start his own team, this was confirmed last week.

Yes another team bought the #50 PWR licence.
As far as what Marshall is doing or the Irwin / SBR deal....
you know as much as I do, as I read the same story's as you guys.

[bills]

i was reading on the v8daily dump forum some guy said that greg murphy wasnt hapy at Spring gas because for some reason meaning that he may quit and might go to HRT. intersting news. it could be will davo or murph fighting the number 2 seat.

[mick xu1]

I would love Murph back at HRT

[group C]

I would love Murph back at HRT
Could be wrong but I personally don't think this will happen.

[05shan]

Could be wrong but I personally don't think this will happen.
Agreed, considering he has a rather large stake in the team. Would love to see it, the Murph back in a factory backed team.

[8hype]

if murph was in a hrt car it would destroy the field.one really talented driver without a good team now for quite a few years

[barnart]

Yes another team bought the #50 PWR licence.
As far as what Marshall is doing or the Irwin / SBR deal....
you know as much as I do, as I read the same story's as you guys.


Irwin tools budget for the 2008 series was only $350,000, that won't pay for all the running costs of a single car team

[Kashmir]

I would love Murph back at HRT

now that would be awsome,great driver and great car and he and Tander would make a good pairing at Bathurst.

[minh427]

Has there been any Ex HRT drivers returning to HRT?

[wazza002]

Has there been any Ex HRT drivers returning to HRT?

Yes, I think it was Peter Brock was it but I could be wrong :rolleyes:

[Chev_350]

Yes, I think it was Peter Brock was it but I could be wrong :rolleyes:

Are you meaning leave 1997 - Return 2004 for enduros?

Mezera fits into that category I suppose?

Longhurst although that was as a ring in due to Skaife going under the knife.

[minh427]

Ah, i forgot, not including enduros but for full time.

[wazza002]

Are you meaning leave 1997 - Return 2004 for enduros?

Mezera fits into that category I suppose?

Longhurst although that was as a ring in due to Skaife going under the knife.

Yes for the enduros mate ;)

[Chev_350]

can't recall anyone......but there hasn't been all that many drivers who have left a team to race with someone else for a couple of years and then return.

[wazza002]

can't recall anyone......but there hasn't been all that many drivers who have left a team to race with someone else for a couple of years and then return.

Ok then, thank for letting me now mate :)

[Holdennumber1]

can't recall anyone......but there hasn't been all that many drivers who have left a team to race with someone else for a couple of years and then return. How about Jason Bright. Didn't he drive for Stone Brothers in 98 and he is now returning in a third car.

[Kashmir]

can't recall anyone......but there hasn't been all that many drivers who have left a team to race with someone else for a couple of years and then return.

Besnard raced with SBR in the enduro's this year and he was with them a few years ago.

[Chev_350]

How about Jason Bright. Didn't he drive for Stone Brothers in 98 and he is now returning in a third car.

didn't say there was none.....just not all that many :p

[Chev_350]

Britek Media Release

A decision on the second, currently IRWIN Industrial Tools sponsored, Britek entry will not be made until early December, but this car would also benefit from the SBR alignment and all options are currently being considered.

Is this Britek/SBR deal a merger? because I would think that IRWIN and SP Tools would be conflicting sponsors? :confused:

[whitlam]

if murph was in a hrt car it would destroy the field.one really talented driver without a good team now for quite a few years

now that would be awsome,great driver and great car and he and Tander would make a good pairing at Bathurst.

Hasn't Murph & Richards been the best Holden at Bathurst for the last 2 years?

He would do great back at HRT, but I don't think it will happen either

[Kashmir]

Hasn't Murph & Richards been the best Holden at Bathurst for the last 2 years?

yap they have but Tander/Murphy would be even stronger,probably will get some coments about the clutch now:rolleyes:

[wazza002]

Is this Britek/SBR deal a merger? because I would think that IRWIN and SP Tools would be conflicting sponsors? :confused:

But isn't they only the motor side of things as he said keeping all sponsors on borad for brights car's :rolleyes:

[whitlam]

yap they have but Tander/Murphy would be even stronger,probably will get some coments about the clutch now:rolleyes:

Just let Murph start ;)

[brchi17]

Is this Britek/SBR deal a merger? because I would think that IRWIN and SP Tools would be conflicting sponsors? :confused:

wasn't SP a last minute deal, which from memory was only for 1 year...:confused: Also has anyone here anymore about the rumor of SBR trying to get the TKR name to use for Van Giz in the #9 car ???

[Kashmir]

Just let Murph start ;)

good idea except he might make contact with someone going up mountain straight and bend the steering arm;)

[BILLFORD1]

I may of course be totally wrong....The way I was reading things is that JB will be merging with SBR, along with sponsorship he now has, to basically become a 3 car team....ie the Irwin car will probably, (I assume with current sponsorship), be dropping down to being a Development Series car...???? So would not therefore be at odds with SP sponsorship, however I also believe that the SP sponsorship at SBR on the #9 was a 1 year deal from memory. Once the "Silly Season" gets near completion, undoubtably we will learn the actual truth on all of the moves for 09 !!

[HRT 1-2]

I may of course be totally wrong....The way I was reading things is that JB will be merging with SBR, along with sponsorship he now has, to basically become a 3 car team....ie the Irwin car will probably, (I assume with current sponsorship), be dropping down to being a Development Series car...???? So would not therefore be at odds with SP sponsorship, however I also believe that the SP sponsorship at SBR on the #9 was a 1 year deal from memory. Once the "Silly Season" gets near completion, undoubtably we will learn the actual truth on all of the moves for 09 !!

The way it is being reported in enews is that the Irwin Tools car will become the 3rd SBR car with Alex Davison in the car. Meaning a 3 car team consisting of Gis, Bright (who will wear #4) and Alex!! This is not being reported as hear say but, as a done deal................but, we are talking about mnews!!;) It also mentions that Marshall is likely to get the spare license from the Bright/SBR deal and run on his own!

[05shan]

Auto Action is reporting the same thing and says that Marshall will be running a 888 preped car.

[barnart]

Paul Weel Racing (PWR) will close its doors at the end of the year as it has sold its V8 Supercar licence to Walkinshaw Performance (WP).
It is yet to be confirmed which driver will use the ex-PWR licence next year.
While WP currently has the use of the two licences owned by John and Margaret Kelly for its HSV Dealer Team Racing, it is believed that driver Rick Kelly and the two Kelly-owned licences will be on the move in 2009, leaving HSV Dealer Team Racing driver Paul Dumbrell as the most likely to use the newly acquired licence.
PWR gave rookie Andrew Thompson his first full-time main-game drive this year and its closure means the youngster is on the hunt for a drive for 2009.
If there is one thing Thompson is certain of, it is his desire to keep racing in the V8 Supercar Championship.
“I definitely want to be back in the main game next year,” he declared.
And, he says he is close to signing with another team.
“I have been talking to a couple of people in regards to next year, but I am not at the point where we have signed anything,” Thompson explained.
“I’m pretty confident I’ll sign something soon, but right now I’m just in discussions and finalising a few things.
“Hopefully over the next week we can get to the point where we can lock something away and have next year secured so I can go back to concentrating on racing at the last two rounds.”
While Thompson would “ideally” like to drive with a Holden team in 2009, the youngster says driving a Ford is definitely a possibility.
“I wouldn’t mind staying (with Holden) but really, I’ve got to do what’s best for me because it’s getting pretty close,” he said.
“Whether it’s Blue or Red, I’ve got to make the decision based on what’s right for me.”
Thompson is no stranger to driving for Ford; he drove for Jim Beam Racing in the 2007 enduros and also raced a Falcon in the 2006 Fujitsu Series.
When asked whether he had been able to show his full potential in 2008, Thompson replied “bits and pieces”.
“If you look over the results really carefully we have definitely shown the potential, but our season has been littered with quite a few mechanical problems and the Bathurst crash with Paul (Weel) definitely set us back because the car was destroyed,” he said.
“We have shown a lot of potential, but we haven’t got the same equipment or funding the teams up the front of the grid have so I think we’ve been punching above our weight this year.”
Thompson celebrated his 21st birthday on November 3.
“It feels like I’m getting a bit old now,” he laughed.
“There’s definitely a bit of change on the horizon and hopefully with the plans we are putting in place we can sort out next year and it should be a whole new era for me.”
Author:Briar Gunther
Source:BigPond Sport - copyright

[Chev_350]

I would rather see Thompson in a HRT Young Lions style deal, than Dumbell in a 3rd HRT car.

[brchi17]

Good point Chev, hopefully he's got more $$$ than Dumbell (both has rich fathers) as Thomo would be a very good fit for the young lions if his forum in the development series with DJR from 2007 is anything to go by (plus you could hardly put dumbell in the HYL car), the kid looked like a star then & I think he's done a good job this season considering the mouse trap he's had to play with.

[Kashmir]

I would rather see Thompson in a HRT Young Lions style deal, than Dumbell in a 3rd HRT car.

agreed Dumbrell just can't get up to the pointy end.

[david5]

Good point Chev, hopefully he's got more $$$ than Dumbell (both has rich fathers) as Thomo would be a very good fit for the young lions if his forum in the development series with DJR from 2007 is anything to go by (plus you could hardly put dumbell in the HYL car), the kid looked like a star then & I think he's done a good job this season considering the mouse trap he's had to play with.

Dumbrell would have his deal locked in already IMO.

David

[group C]

Dumbrell would have his deal locked in already IMO.

David

More like the cheque is in the mail:D

[brchi17]

from memory Dumbell's deal with HSVDT was only a one year thing for season 2008.

[group C]

from memory Dumbell's deal with HSVDT was only a one year thing for season 2008.
Yeah I think your right there mate,but unfortunately it seems to be the case of who,s got the bigger cheque book and P.D dads one is very big it seems.:mad:
Would like to see some younger drivers with Talent get into the main game as opposed to spoilt little rich kids with little or no talent.

[Kashmir]

from memory Dumbell's deal with HSVDT was only a one year thing for season 2008.

and thats a good thing IMO.

[singer]

from memory Dumbell's deal with HSVDT was only a one year thing for season 2008.

From memory, during Dumbrell's V8SC career (he's been there a while LP, Autobarn, Shell HSVDT to name a few which spring to mind) he has always been back to mid field.

He's been given several chances with Top equipment & just hasn't been able to make the grade

[tasman3]

It'd be funny to see Dumbrell in a Holden Young Lions Car with his receding hair! Perhaps Holden Middle Age Cat Racing?

[BILLFORD1]

Perhaps more suited to be running for "Crash Bang Motorsports" if the current #67 pilot retires ??!! :D

[lukey73]

From memory, during Dumbrell's V8SC career (he's been there a while LP, Autobarn, Shell HSVDT to name a few which spring to mind) he has always been back to mid field.

He's been given several chances with Top equipment & just hasn't been able to make the grade

New team there Ken, can you give me more info on them ! :D

[Rob]

"Shell HSVDT" - I think he missed a comma??
When was he with Shell/DJR anyway??? My memory is fading.

[barnart]

Dumbrell would have his deal locked in already IMO.

David

No he hasn't got the deal locked in, it's all up in the air as we speak.

[HRT 1-2]

Enews are reporting that Perkins will be stepping back and performing a Walkinshaw type supply arrangement with the Kelly's controlling the team which could be up to 5 cars. They will consist of Todd & Rick with probably Jack and possibly Dumbrell. Apparently Larry said there was some truth to the story!!

[Chev_350]

hmmm......interesting.....

[wayno]

Enews are reporting that Perkins will be stepping back and performing a Walkinshaw type supply arrangement with the Kelly's controlling the team which could be up to 5 cars. They will consist of Todd & Rick with probably Jack and possibly Dumbrell. Apparently Larry said there was some truth to the story!!

Well they're all stuffed then. :rolleyes:

[bills]

is is the biggest silly season ever?

[david5]

No he hasn't got the deal locked in, it's all up in the air as we speak.


Lets hope it stays in the air then.

David

[david5]

Well they're all stuffed then. :rolleyes:

The gossip elsewhere on the net suggests That it will be T. Kelly & J. Perkins in Jack Daniels livery & R.Kelly & Dumbrell in Autobarn/No Fear livery. Kelly management, Perkins chassis, Dumbrell chequebook.
Jack Daniels sponsorship, Kelly driving talent. Id say this is a very strong combo.

David

[wayno]

But can Larry provide the equipment to do the job?
I certainly hope so.

[singer]

But can Larry provide the equipment to do the job?
I certainly hope so.



Who knows, but it bodes well as he's done it before HDT/HRT/LPR:)

[bills]

I was reading in my local newspaper today and it looks like sandown will be called betfair park after betfair are sponsoring the track for 3 years.

[spoonster05]

I'm suprised they've signed on for 3 years given the big question marks hovering over either form of horsepower featuring at Sandown within a couple of years

[brchi17]

"Shell HSVDT" - I think he missed a comma??
When was he with Shell/DJR anyway??? My memory is fading.

Never Rob your memory is fine! Dumbell has never driven for DJR, Ken's got it wrong :p ;)

But can Larry provide the equipment to do the job?
I certainly hope so.

I think this is a good move for Larry, as the article I read was that he would be building potentially 5 cars for the main game, so perhaps he feels the engineering business is better than the day to day running of a race team....I Perkins with the Kelly Brothers could be an interesting weapon, as Todd has shown at times this season that Larry's VE, as not as crap as some of them...

[wayno]

I hope Larry can get his 'mojo' back by not running a team, but from where his cars used to be they have been garbage for quite a while now.

[HRT 1-2]

I just hope the collector he's using gets outlawed because it should be illegal for a V8 to sound like that!!:p

[Kashmir]

I just hope the collector he's using gets outlawed because it should be illegal for a V8 to sound like that!!:p

yeah the sound of his car is so annoying!!.

[05shan]

yeah the sound of his car is so annoying!!.
Jeez mate, i hope you are joking, the louder the better:D

[Kashmir]

Jeez mate, i hope you are joking, the louder the better:D

nah mate i just don't like that "open wheeler" sound his cars have.

[05shan]

nah mate i just don't like that "open wheeler" sound his cars have.
Fair enough mate, each to there own:D

[monarocveightz]

Fair enough mate, each to there own:D

I'm with you Shan,

I don't mind LP's cars....I like how they sound different:)

[05shan]

I'm with you Shan,

I don't mind LP's cars....I like how they sound different:)
My daughter is with you Kashmir, she dont like the noisy ones, then again she likes Courtney as well:p
Still waiting for the DNA results:D

[Kashmir]

My daughter is with you Kashmir, she dont like the noisy ones, then again she likes Courtney as well:p
Still waiting for the DNA results:D

i like the noisy ones just not LP cars;):rolleyes:

[brchi17]

I didn't recognise the Perkins cars as louder than the others, just different....but not the sort of different I associate with V8SC, it did make me wonder if Larry was trying something with 2009 in mind...???

[HRT 1-2]

My point has nothing to do with volume, just note, it does not sound remotely like a V8 & that's a large percentage of the attraction!! If they all sounded like that, I'd seriously consider not going!!

[awd]

I have heard alex davison is back next year. Not sure where as yet.

[HRT 1-2]

I have heard alex davison is back next year. Not sure where as yet.

Click here (http://forums.biante.com.au/showpost.php?p=287386&postcount=202)

Welcome BTW!!:)

[spoonster05]

My point has nothing to do with volume, just note, it does not sound remotely like a V8 & that's a large percentage of the attraction!! If they all sounded like that, I'd seriously consider not going!!

Well F5000's and F1 Tyrrell Cosworth's sound different to current V8's and they are V8 powered as well.....:p

[wayno]

And sound much nicer! :)

[david5]

AA reports that Dumbrell is locked in with WP in a two car team with an up & coming youngster. Wonder whats happening over at Kelly/Perkins then.

[spoonster05]

AA reports that Dumbrell is locked in with WP in a two car team with an up & coming youngster. Wonder whats happening over at Kelly/Perkins then.

Well depending on who you believe the Kelly's have got two FG's sitting in the old 00 Motorsport workshop being prepped for next season (which if they are running with Perkins help would mean Perkins going Ford as well) or there will be a four or five car Kelly/Perkins joint venture with the two Kelly's, Jack Perkins and another as yet unnamed driver or two (names like Steve Owen, Max Wilson, Jason Bargwanna have been thrown around) running Commodores

Given that the Kelly's new home at Braeside has been revealed the rumours of John Kelly buying 00 Motorsport's old premises should be put to rest as if they are running with Perkins that would mean 3 factories being used

As far as I knew Dumbrell and his Autobarn dollars were always going to be back at WP for next year as that was part of the original deal to keep them at Holden and not go to SBR last season

[HRT 1-2]

Well F5000's and F1 Tyrrell Cosworth's sound different to current V8's and they are V8 powered as well.....:p

The cars you mention still unmistakably sound like V8s where with the Perkins cars I'd almost say do not sound like a V8 at all!!

[david5]

Well depending on who you believe the Kelly's have got two FG's sitting in the old 00 Motorsport workshop being prepped for next season

Now wouldnt that rock the boat. Would be very surprised if its true.

Time for you Melbourne boys to start driving around with your cameras.

david

[Rob]

Except I am pretty sure GRM is in the old Gibson/00 workshop (or next door anyway) and the Kelly's will be based in Braeside...
but going on the stuff that's happened already, who really knows??

[HRT 1-2]

With all the yap about how the series is dying :rolleyes: someone forgot to tell everyone that are jostling for the available licenses!!