Perkins CC 1/18th

[Aussiecollector]

I am suprised that this is the first thread about these new cars.

I have this week purchased all three Perkins cars and I must say that although I have not had the time to go over each one my first impression of the car and packaging is good. There appears to be some areas of the car that look out of scale compared to the AA VX such as the size of the grill inserts and the wheels/tyres, but this may be due to the way in which the wheels are under the guards.

The bonnet or should I say the front of the car from the windscreen forward has a much sharper slope to the bumper than the AA and side by side appears lower and wider.

But as I have said before I am not biased or a decipile of any one brand and if this is the best CC can do on their second attempt at a 1/18th V8 supercar then its very good, the interior, boot and under bonnet detail is great and the fact that the under body is painted and not just coloured plastic is also more realistic.

So without making to many comparisons with AA, as we all know what that will due, (bring out the knifes and daggers) I think, thats right its my opinion, as some one who has a cabinet full of AA cars and now 3 CC cars that they are good and worthing of a place in the collection especially as they are 1 of a 1000 only and allow me as a collector to have a more complete collection. If their entry in the market creates competition then it can only be good for us collectors and lets hope that all manufactures improve both in quality of product and customer service in 2003.

Glenn

[Goggles Pizanno]

Hopefully without raising the ire of FF I too would lile to comment on the CC 1/18 V8 Supercars.

I was in a shop yesterday and had a look at these cars. I liked what I saw and ordered the Perkins car.

To me a model has to embody the characteristics of the original, it's not just a matter of dimensional accuracy although of course this is very important.

I think you all agree that the real V8 Supercars are pretty tough, aggressive looking race cars. It's this toughness and aggressiveness that I think CC has captured and portrayed better than Biante in the current crop of V8 Supercar models.

I don't know why but when people post comments praising the models of Biantes opposition or pointing out inaccuracies in Biantes models it seems obligatory to divulge ones allegiances to Biante. For the record I have 55 Biante 1/18 models and 2 CC 1/18 models.

[BATHURSTFAN]

I am too impressed with the new CC's, but I won't be getting any as I have enough AU's, even though I do like Seton's car.

Does anyone have a current list as to what V8's will be made by Biante or CC.

What will happen when Hot Memorabilia release the Moffat cars, are they going to disappear or make other models?

One thing I appreciate about Biante is that they are open about things as much as possible even though it must frustrate them about some comments that are made.

[FOMOCO]

I have bought the CC Seton car, I dont go into detail anywhere nearly as much as other collectors but I can say that the seton car sitting on a shelf with a few Biante falcons looks good, and an untrained eye would not be able to pick the diffrence.

I am interested thought o here other collectors thoughts on the production numbers, to me having 1 of 1000 models makes the model much more of a collectors item than the numbers Biante are producing.

[MrHoldens]

I too have bought the seton and the 3 castrol cars and they do look good sitting with my biante's

Production numbers dont bother me as long as i dont miss out on a model. It dose help to have good supplyer that looks after you so i never miss out on a model

[Malik]

BATHURSTFAN,

the list I got from my local shop about the CC 1:18 scale supercars is as follows:

DJR - Johnson AU Falcon
SBR/Pirtek - Ambrose AU Falcon
DJR - Radisich AU Falcon
GRM - Tander VX Commodore
PMR - Morris VX Commodore
GRM - Barg's VX Commodore
SBR/Havoline - Besnard AU Falcon
JBR/Caterpillar - AU Falcon
TKR - Richards - VX Commodore
Supercheap Racing - Ellery AU Falcon
LMS/Orrcon Racing - Larkham AU Falcon
Paragon M/S / VIP - McLean AU Falcon
PWR/KJ Thermal - Weel AU Falcon

thats in the order of release according to my list.. how accurate it ends up remains to be seen...

btw.. I picked up the CPR Ingall No.8 car today and I gotta say it rocks.. I love all the detail put into it..

[Aussiecollector]

Does anybody know if they are all going to be limited to 1000 as this will surely make them much more desirable from a limited collection point of view. Seton car is next on my shopping list if its limited to 1000 as well.

Glenn

[GTSCoup]

I had a look at the CC Commodore but didn't buy it. Nothing against them, they just don't make any teams that interest me.

I found the car looked wrong. the 'tear duct' section of the headlights looks out of proportion along with the rest of the nose. They don't look right to me.

Also their attempt at fuel fillers leaves a lot to be desired. To have the ovals there for the siamese fillers and still put in seperate fillers on each side then a tacky silver dot where the (incorrect) hose attaches is pretty poor when they are claiming to be as good as they are.

It actually makes me laugh that people on here are saying how great they are but Biante would get slaughtered if they tried to do this.

While the cars look 'pretty', cramming them with things to look at doesn't make up for accuracy.

What does this mean Goggles?

[/B]To me a model has to embody the characteristics of the original, it's not just a matter of dimensional accuracy although of course this is very important. [/B]

If it isn't dimensionaly accurate then it can't be a true replica model.

[Aussiecollector]

Lets not get carried away, people in this thread have said they are impressed with the new car and if your compare the cars to the last 1/18th attempt by CC you would have to say that you are impressed or are you one of the oneeyed biantephiles.

Also just to put it into perspective is an incorrect fuel decal as bad or as obvious as the incorrect spelling of the drivers name. Lets not forget that mistake have been made by all that supply cars in the markets that we purchase. We should be able to assess the toys that we buy and discuss them without the fear of riddicule, its a bit like talking to a collingwood supporter and trying to point out to them that Yes there are other teams in the league.

Just my point of view

Glenn

[FOMOCO]

the seaton car is a run of 1200, all the rest of the supercars are advertised as being runs of 1000, the charger and mustang are 3000 i think

[GTSCoup]

Originally posted by Aussiecollector
Lets not get carried away, people in this thread have said they are impressed with the new car and if your compare the cars to the last 1/18th attempt by CC you would have to say that you are impressed or are you one of the oneeyed biantephiles.

I never said it wasn't an improvement over their last effort. Compared to CC's last 1:18 a house brick would have been more accurate (Sarcasm, don't jump on me, it was a joke). I agree they are a 1 million percent improvement over their last effort but that isn't saying much as their original 1:18 were very poor. I am the first to offer big props as they have improved.

Also just to put it into perspective is an incorrect fuel decal as bad or as obvious as the incorrect spelling of the drivers name. Lets not forget that mistake have been made by all that supply cars in the markets that we purchase.

It isn't just the decal, it is the actual plumbing work inside as well. All I said was if Biante did it they would get nailed but nobody has even mentioned it yet. You took it further.

The incorrect drivers name has been explained and Biante did get nailed for it. You are the one who keeps bringing it up. you have been around for long enough to have read Biantes explanation so move on.

We should be able to assess the toys that we buy and discuss them without the fear of riddicule, its a bit like talking to a collingwood supporter and trying to point out to them that Yes there are other teams in the league.


That was exactly what I was trying to do. You expressed your opinion, I expressed mine, then you came back with this post. I smell double standards. If you can express you opinion (which you do constantly) why did I get this reply when I expressed mine?

You aren't CC's guardian the same as FF isn't Biantes guardian.

If you like it, buy it. I didn't, so I didn't. It's that simple.

I didn't want to ask a personal question but I will anyway. Why all of the agro towards people on this forum and Biante. I read your posts and they are usually pretty good. But as soon as someone disagrees with you then the flames come up and it's on for young and old. I know about all of the 'I'm the customer blah blah blah' but why the agro?. If you don't like something or disagree then by all means speak up, but there is no need for anything other than reasonable, dignified, discussions. You also seem to have great things to say about other brands but very little good to say about Biante. Why?

In the words of a great song writter which I have no idea what his name is 'Don't worry, be happy'.

Peace.

GTS

[MrHoldens]

The seton and perkins car is run of 1200 and the mustang is a run of 4000

[Oh Five]

I bought my first C/C #11 today and i am very impressed with it, but then i dont care if aerials are in the wrong spot or fuel fillers are wrong shape, blah blah.
I just needed a castrol car as my collection consists of too many of "the same color".
I will continue buying Biante over C/C, as they have a better range of teams,( C/C seem to be Ford priority)

[Aussiecollector]

GTS, where are the flames and the agro?

Your right, you did not say its an improvement, you said it was tacky. And it is, as for the boot line up I have not looked that hard yet but your most likely right as they still have a ways to go with the correct scales.

The reason I bring up the spelling errors is because I think it is one of the worst mistakes anyone can make, to spell the name wrong, or to allow the decals to be made, installed and then allow the cars to be released was pretty poor, why were they not changed in the Factory in WA there was only 1000 of them, if Quality Control is an issue? This is just my point of view as someone who has been working in a customer oriented Quality Control environment for 20 years.

Iam not looking for a response from you or a fight from anybody its just my point of view, why let mistakes or poor quality go un told, everbody who gets on this forum and says that the bonnet does not stay up is made to feel like a fool by the likes of Dale and so on, why!! why is it not ok for someone who has just shelled out $150.00 for a replica of a car they may have driven to ask or state that the dash is incorrect or the the lights are different. I would like to know why 6 of my HRT VT and VX cars the rear drivers side door will not shut properly, I am sure the race car door shuts Ok, but I have not asked because someone will come back and say gees does the engine need oil HeHeHe.

What I would like to know is are these guys typing with one hand!! and if so whats the other one doing?

I am not the CC guardian nor do I want to be I am writing this in response to what you wrote me not because Iam Ga Ga about CC, I am a Perkins / Holden fan and have been for many years so to obtain perkins memorbillia in 1/18th is a good opportunity.

You say I have nothing good to say about Biante, well thats usually because what I would like to say has already been said by the Biantephiles and to repeat the comments would look like band wagon jumping so thats most likely why your perception of me is negative, I suppose my dissaproval of Biante goes back to when I received one of my HRT cars and one of the aerials was missing, so I emailed Biante and asked if they could mail me a replacement, (as they are the importer and I thought that any product imported into this country had to have spare parts supplied under the consumer laws), the response was pathetic and I am still without an aerial. I don't defame them in any way and this is the first time I have printed the aerial thing.

I buy all sorts of cars both imported by them and made by them as well as many other brands, and yes I like to have a say about what I have bought. I don't mean to be aggressive its just the way the words come out on the page, maybe its because I type with two hands.

Oh and Don't Worry Man, I'm Married to the greatest women with three Kids and I run my own race " I'm Happy "

Cheers Glenn

[Goggles Pizanno]

"If it isn't dimensionaly accurate then it can't be a true replica model''

GTS,

You've hit the nail on the head there.

If you can find me a mass produced model car that is dimensionally accurate (and I'm not just talking length width and height here) then I'll take my hat off to you.

A model can only be made as accurate as the manufacturing process allows. The accuracy problem is compounded futher buy the fact that the process involves human beings with their unerring ability to get things wrong.

When you put models, from different manufacturers, of the same car together they are invariably different. Both manufacturers will tell you their model is an exact replica but they both can't be right, in fact neither of them will be an exact replica (see above) but one will ''look' and 'feel' right. This is what I was talking about.

But here's the rub. What looks and feels right to one person, looks and feels totally wrong to another.

At least it keeps the forums interesting. ;)

[BATHURSTFAN]

thanks for the list Malik,

DJR - Johnson AU Falcon
SBR/Pirtek - Ambrose AU Falcon
DJR - Radisich AU Falcon
GRM - Tander VX Commodore
PMR - Morris VX Commodore
GRM - Barg's VX Commodore
SBR/Havoline - Besnard AU Falcon
JBR/Caterpillar - AU Falcon
TKR - Richards - VX Commodore
Supercheap Racing - Ellery AU Falcon
LMS/Orrcon Racing - Larkham AU Falcon
Paragon M/S / VIP - McLean AU Falcon
PWR/KJ Thermal - Weel AU Falcon

its good to see the some other teams on the list such as Supercheap etc.

GTS, Regarding some of the other comments, Biante do get a lot of praise for their models, I agree with Aussiecollector that some people rush in to defend Biante when they ask a question about a particular model- this is a forum for that purpose.

I don't know why people compare the earlier CC efforts with Biante as the price difference reflected what you paid for, if the earlier CC models were the same price then you could argue about the quality but they were not, now you can compare as the models are similar in prices and detail

On the budget side of things it's gonna hurt having more models out there, but it good to have a greater choice.

I'm sure people email CC and get up them as well, just because you don't see it on a forum, i'm sure it does happen.

PEOPLE HAVE GOTTA REALISE THAT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS

[enforcer]

Originally posted by Aussiecollector
I suppose my dissaproval of Biante goes back to when I received one of my HRT cars and one of the aerials was missing, so I emailed Biante and asked if they could mail me a replacement, (as they are the importer and I thought that any product imported into this country had to have spare parts supplied under the consumer laws), the response was pathetic and I am still without an aerial.
Cheers Glenn

I guess if you asked for an aerial as nicely as you contribute to these threads its no wonder you didnt get a reply.
I have been sent brochures and an XY aerial, so perhaps you should ask again, nicely, and let us know what happens.

[Aussiecollector]

Thank Enforcer I will resubmit and no I did not ask for the aerial rudely as you suggest. Maybe you are better known to Biante than I, who knows, I will let you know.

Glenn

[v8coupe]

Originally posted by Aussiecollector
why is it not ok for someone who has just shelled out $150.00 for a replica of a car they may have driven to ask or state that the dash is incorrect or the the lights are different. I would like to know why 6 of my HRT VT and VX cars the rear drivers side door will not shut properly, I am sure the race car door shuts Ok, but I have not asked because someone will come back and say gees does the engine need oil HeHeHe.


Fully agree with your post in this thread Glen.
With the above quote, I am glad people post these faults, no matter how minor they appear to be, it matters to me personally.
As I will have these for my entire life, I like to try and pick out the best from the shop for my future display. Best to get a good one now, be hard later in years gone by.
Later noticing a rear door not shutting fully on my 1/18 race car, then also reading about it here, lets me know it sounds like their all like that and no point in going back to the shop to compare with others and maybe asking for an exchange.

With the step up in quality with CC's, no doors opening, scale not quite right etc and Biante, can't see possible a huge step as there models leave only room for minute upgrades, then it is:
One small step for Biante, One giant leap for CC's lol.

Just a question about cover over engine in the CC's commodore 1/18 race car, anyone know why it looks so different to biantes?, as watching the races, biante's is what it is suppost to be like. Thank you

[Aussiecollector]

Its a Larry and its removable, we are only used to seeing HRT engine covers via AA.

What I am waiting for is to see if CC are serious about the trueness of their replicas as Larrys cars are very unique, ie the roll cages and other engineering features on the perkins cars are really one of peices. It will be interesting to see if the next commodores released are truly different or are we once again going to be subjected to the sausage factory mentality. Stay tuned its going to be a good year for collectables.

Glenn