View Full Version : Re-Releases - Track Red GTHO?
Leigh
15-06-2009, 03:19 PM
So in light of the VK Blue meanie re-release, that is essentially just a wheel swap, how would people feel about a re-release of the original Biante model?
I can see the potential here to have a Track Red XY being released now with new tooling and Bathurst Globes?
Minichamps do this sort of thing with F1 cars, particularly in 1:43 scale...
pitcrew
15-06-2009, 03:27 PM
Hey Leigh.
I don't like the idea of any re-release, sort of takes the gloss of collecting, once this starts what will be re-released next.
So I'm seeing one car 2 or 3 variations sounds like hot wheels or Disney cars.
This will soon turn me off collecting especially at the current prices.
Just my $2.15 worth (inflation)
Cheers :)
We need new models not OLD ones.
lukey73
15-06-2009, 03:37 PM
Im hoping they re-release the 92 GTR Bathurst Winner, the 91 ATCC winner looks much better from the new mould so why not make it again with the correct wheels etc.
wazza002
15-06-2009, 03:37 PM
I tend to agree with you pitcrew, Its bad enough when CC do them when Biante has allready done them as well it take the price down to much and the collectors get upset about it........:(
cheers wazza
We need new models not OLD ones.
Exactly. There are heaps of cars that should be done and aren't. Like the blue meanie, it is damn poor call to re-release the same colour when peoples COA read limited in this colour.
they already flog as many colours they can to get there $ worth from the molds. Making the Sandown VK when shops have heaps of bathurst cars is a joke. how about Biante buy a few Bathurst cars back and modify them instead of making more. some of the thing that both CC and Biante are doing is wrong and they seam not to care about collectors or the collectability of models. It is all about the Dollar. If a car I had was to be re-released, I would get the $hit big time and they would here about it. Bout time they had a think B4 people tell them to PO
UNDFTD
15-06-2009, 05:47 PM
Hey Leigh.
I don't like the idea of any re-release, sort of takes the gloss of collecting, once this starts what will be re-released next.
So I'm seeing one car 2 or 3 variations sounds like hot wheels or Disney cars.
This will soon turn me off collecting especially at the current prices.
Just my $2.15 worth (inflation)
Cheers :)
We need new models not OLD ones.
totally agree, with so many great aussie road and race cars they have to choose from, i cant understand why on earth they are re- releasing old ones like the 2 brock VK's (with no major changes), its a **** idea and i believe they will not do as well as they may think, the only kinds of re-release's i agree with would have to be the XB GT Coupe's (red & black) and the ONYX BLACK XD Falcon (old johnson mould) at least these look nothing like the old ones.
GRPIII
15-06-2009, 08:29 PM
it may be **** but biante are in busissness & yes, your in bussisness to make money.
still reckon more models people want.
could be worse it could be like rally or f1 & release a car for every round, they only need to do the big banger surfers car & than the set
I always thought that the Blue Meanie would be done twice. Thought it would have been a couple of years away though.
Can't see how the 1984 Sandown winner could de-value the 1984 Bathurst winner. I actually think that the Sandown winner could hold its value OK as only doing 3,000. Still thought they could have waited another year or so though.
If they re-tooled the XY and changed the wheels etc, I'd have no real problem & don't think that it would have any real impact on the original. The original will always be just that and hang in there price wise. Was released along time ago now.
When would you guys be comfortable for another 1978/79 Brock A9X release?(Sandown, ATCC etc).
they only need to do the big banger surfers car & than the set
It actually had 4 races.
Road Runner 72
15-06-2009, 08:54 PM
Good idea Leigh as the 1st release will always be the collectable rare one, and the newer will have some slight differences, but a better modle is always welcome in my collection ;)
I'm all for something better.
I don't collect diecast replicas because they may be of value to someone else so the actual model's accuracy, level of detail and build quality take precedence over if it's the oldest, signed, made by a certain manufacturer, etc.
david5
16-06-2009, 10:46 AM
I'm all for something better.
I don't collect diecast replicas because they may be of value to someone else so the actual model's accuracy, level of detail and build quality take precedence over if it's the oldest, signed, made by a certain manufacturer, etc.
What he said :)
Chris Roche
16-06-2009, 03:23 PM
Isn't it funny what is being said about Biante releasing these two cars, yet when our friends release something take (Allan Moffat) cars that Biante has released no one says anything about that!
Just don't understand it.
Seems very one sided don't you.
monarocveightz
16-06-2009, 04:07 PM
Isn't it funny what is being said about Biante releasing these two cars, yet when our friends release something take (Allan Moffat) cars that Biante has released no one says anything about that!
Just don't understand it.
Seems very one sided don't you.
Chris....people have made comments about it.....just over on the "other" forum....
Plus...I think people are too busy letting CC know what they think of the wrong hue of white.....and how the cobra is back to front:D
UNDFTD
16-06-2009, 04:12 PM
Isn't it funny what is being said about Biante releasing these two cars, yet when our friends release something take (Allan Moffat) cars that Biante has released no one says anything about that!
Just don't understand it.
Seems very one sided don't you.
i see your point there Chris, but your "friends"
released those moffat cars afew years after the
biante releases....not six months, and i am one of
those people who bought them from
your "freinds".... why? 2 reasons.... i wasn't a
collector when the biante versions got released and
because i simply can't afford what the old biante
moffat's are fetching on ebay, im not here to tell
you how to run your business, but im sure you can
understand why the collectors are a little
bit frustrated...... the gap between these
releases is just to close.
Isn't it funny what is being said about Biante releasing these two cars, yet when our friends release something take (Allan Moffat) cars that Biante has released no one says anything about that!
Just don't understand it.
Seems very one sided don't you.
Hey Chris. I'm in fact glad that Biante are releasing the 1984 Sandown winner. I'm buying it & as I've posted elsewhere, I hope you guys release many more Sandown winners. I just thought that it may have been a little while down the track given the Bathurst stock that is apparently sitting around, plus the sting that we've taken on the resale values of these models. I've paid rrp on a couple of #05's and a #25, not that I'm selling them but nice to know I could go close to re-couping outlay if I had to.
Similiar for the Blue Meanie. I'll buy it as well but thought the next one would be a little bit further down the track. Can only really display one though, yet I guess a bit of rotation does not hurt.
As far as Classic goes, none of us have any control over what they release & when. I guess some of the comments here are more so Biante re-doing prior & recent Biante releases.
Leigh
16-06-2009, 05:04 PM
Playing a bit of devils advocate here in terms of this thread, yes, but I took this out of the Blue Meanie thread for a reason...plese keep it on topic...i.e. re-release of models that have been out for some time...I used the track red as an example!
Chris, You need to search your forum:p Heaps of people bag the re-release of Biante models by Classics no matter what the timing;)
Skaife fan
16-06-2009, 05:19 PM
How about re-releasing the Walky with polished wheels. :earmuffs::D
pitcrew
16-06-2009, 05:21 PM
Lol
Isn't it funny what is being said about Biante releasing these two cars, yet when our friends release something take (Allan Moffat) cars that Biante has released no one says anything about that!
Just don't understand it.
Seems very one sided don't you.
I think both company's need to have a good look at what`s going on, I have friends that have stopped collecting because of the over supply and quality of the cars lately, and we have complained about CC redoing cars over and over, but they seem too be hell bent on sticking it to Biante by trying to make the same car better, and some are very good but there is always something not quite right, I could go on for hours about some of the stupid mistakes they and Biante have made with some of the cars, as far as I am concerned the quality of a car made today should be better (given advances in technology) than a car made 5 6 or 8 years ago!
And yes I am fussy with these things, but they are not cheap and when I buy a car like the VK group A in a limited number of 8202 from a manufacturer, I take there word that that's all they will make! Im not talking about CC doing it.
Its all about loyalty.....
Isn't it funny what is being said about Biante releasing these two cars, yet when our friends release something take (Allan Moffat) cars that Biante has released no one says anything about that!
Just don't understand it.
Seems very one sided don't you.
Chris,
I'm not sure what exactly is confusing about the Moffat cars. They aren't re-releases as this is the first time they are being done by CCs. The cars in no way use Biante or AUTOart IP or resources and were brought to the market independently of you.
From a pure fan's/collector's point of view, you would have to admit that CC's moffat coupe efforts are simply stunning. The wheels aren't generic, the engine isn't generic, the headlight covers are accurate and the tyres have the correct profile and the cars have a certain glow about them. As an added bonus, the bonnets stay open of their own accord. Being the owner of both examples of these cars in 1:18, I choose to display the CC versions.
From a business owner's point of view, you might see it as an erosion of your brand. The simple solution to that is to make sure that the next release meets/exceeds the market benchmark.
There's nothing like a bit of healthy competition to improve the breed.
halbster
17-06-2009, 10:28 AM
I'd put my hand up for a re-release of the walkinshaw, 92 Bathurst winner, and Sandman Concept...... just to name a few.
What the....
This is a new release by CC to do with the 12th edition of the DIECAST Magazine. Limited Edition Efigy in Phantom Mica (Dark blue / Black)
And Quote "This replica is to commemorate and celebrate completing the first volume (12 issues) of The Diecast Magazine"
Good for those that don't have the original, but will it drop the prices that the 1st "Efigy" brings.
Kick
Old news Sorry!
http://forums.biante.com.au/showthread.php?t=10707&page=82
What the....
This is a new release by CC to do with the 12th edition of the DIECAST Magazine. Limited Edition Efigy in Phantom Mica
Kick
I had a older friend visit awhile ago, and he asked me, if some of these cars are so wanted, whats stopping the manufacturer making more, and cars that where selling for big bucks at release, why don't they cash in at release, and put the price up, my reply at the time was simple, we are the collectors we are the the ones that should reap any rewards, without us there is nothing, we pay there wages we pay for there new buildings, we are the fans of the cars there making, if they just made more I wouldn't collect them, or more to the point I would just think, well I can get one any time so why bother now when I'm broke!
With any collecting there has to be that, hard to get item, and I have one of those, they only made so many EVER, in fact the forums we participate in are part of the issue, Biante know every thing first hand here, we tell them how much we like something and hey presto more are made!
If Biante make another VK Group A in Formula Blue, then that means they lied on my certificate, I got into this because of Trevor and his passion for us as collectors, his eye for accuracy and detail, the fact that he would ask us before doing somethings and making guaranteed limited runs, remember the the first shot prototype he did with only 500 signed by him, I now there not worth much if you wanted to sell one but its cool to have.
I no, everything changes eventually, and I should just shut up and move on to something else, but I still need some cars to fill the gaps in the Bathurst winners collection....
jager
17-06-2009, 08:36 PM
In "A Passion for Model Cars 1", released in 2002, Minichamps Managing Director Paul Lang stated in an interview :
...we are particularly concerned about the collector's market. The collectors like limited editions. We only produce each model once so that the market is not diluted by over-production. We want our models to be unique and we will not produce the same model again."
Fast forward 5 years and that promise went out the window. Minichamps started to re-release its most popular, highly sought after model. Not the same colour with different wheels - the exact same model in a different box. Prices for Minichamps rarer 1:43 models tumbled as a consequence, which had a very dramatic impact on the collectability of all Minichamps models.
Collectors were no longer willing to pay big dollars for rare models and were no longer willing to buy multiples of the same models and put one or two away to sell on eBay at a later date. The number of models Minichamps produce of new releases has declined significantly and in many cases some of their models struggle to sell on eBay for their retail value. Collectors stop preordering from their retailers knowing they can buy the models cheaper on eBay, which has further reduced the volume of new releases.
Seems that when it comes to major manufacturers making promises they just can't be trusted. However, the decision to re-release models is usually to their own downfall.
In "A Passion for Model Cars 1", released in 2002, Minichamps Managing Director Paul Lang stated in an interview :
Fast forward 5 years and that promise went out the window. Minichamps started to re-release its most popular, highly sought after model. Not the same colour with different wheels - the exact same model in a different box. Prices for Minichamps rarer 1:43 models tumbled as a consequence, which had a very dramatic impact on the collectability of all Minichamps models.
Collectors were no longer willing to pay big dollars for rare models and were no longer willing to buy multiples of the same models and put one or two away to sell on eBay at a later date. The number of models Minichamps produce of new releases has declined significantly and in many cases some of their models struggle to sell on eBay for their retail value. Collectors stop preordering from their retailers knowing they can buy the models cheaper on eBay, which has further reduced the volume of new releases.
Seems that when it comes to major manufacturers making promises they just can't be trusted. However, the decision to re-release models is usually to their own downfall.
Good post jager!
Pulse Red
18-06-2009, 07:27 PM
I'll take a Re-release of the Walkinshaw in 1:18 too thanks :D
I'll take a Re-release of the Walkinshaw in 1:18 too thanks :D
I fail to see the funny side of that!
Oh Five
18-06-2009, 07:49 PM
wernt more of them released/ found a few years back:confused:
brchi17
18-06-2009, 08:07 PM
so the rumors goes lol !!!
halbster
18-06-2009, 08:13 PM
Ok Chris...tomorrows task for you is to have a good look down the back of the Biante wharehouse and see if you can "Find" some more of those Walkinshaws :D :D
That way no-one will get upset about them being a re-release. :D
Members lost forum privileges discussing this topic a while back. Let it go man.
brchi17
18-06-2009, 08:32 PM
Members lost forum privileges discussing this topic a while back. Let it go man.
That is a misnomer ;)
The only time people lose their privileges is when they choose to break the forum rules, be it intentional or not. This is a public forum provided by a public company so the rules are a little tighter than other forums, however that still does not mean everyone has to write posts which smell of roses.
If you feel something smells, then it's acceptable to write as such as long as it's presented the right way.
cheers :)
Chris Roche
19-06-2009, 06:38 AM
halbster - went to the back of the warehouse and found some. How many do you want - 1000 or 3000! Only joking. Long gone.
monarocveightz
19-06-2009, 08:27 AM
wernt more of them released/ found a few years back:confused:
There was a window box.....and a closed box release from memory....
one had the Koni badge on the back.......and one didn't.....can't remember which one was which though...
Road Runner 72
19-06-2009, 10:44 AM
Koni badge closed box 1st batch, no badge window box 2nd batch.
But the most important thing of all with the Walkys, was that even though they made more after the first release, the total numbers where printed at the start on the first certificate!
Pulse Red
19-06-2009, 06:50 PM
I fail to see the funny side of that!
Was no Joke! I would love one. I only found out about Biante cars long after the release of the Walkinshaw model so missed out. I am not looking to pay the high second hand prices so would have no issue picking up a re-release.
Personaly I dont see the issue in high number/ multiple or re-releases of the road cars. The race cars with signed COA I can see why people would get upset but not normal cars.
Holdennumber1
19-06-2009, 07:08 PM
Personaly I dont see the issue in high number/ multiple or re-releases of the road cars. The race cars with signed COA I can see why people would get upset but not normal cars. I got an issue here for you mate. People pay top money for models like the Walky, Vitamin C Charger and the rare Falcons. It would piss people off a hell of a lot if these cars were re-released for $200 and would basically made the old ones worthless.
And personally, I like the feeling of buying a desirable model and not know that every collector out there has one.
Cheers,
Thomas
Leigh
19-06-2009, 08:22 PM
Just to counter that argument Thomas, all the early 1:43 and 1:24 have not been made worthless since Biante and Classics have been around...both are starting to get into models that are exactly the same (or re-releases if you like) too!
Skaife fan
20-06-2009, 10:52 AM
CC will be making the Walky eventually so i'll wait ti'll then instead of paying the crazy price for a second hand one.
Kashmir
20-06-2009, 10:55 AM
I got an issue here for you mate. People pay top money for models like the Walky, Vitamin C Charger and the rare Falcons. It would piss people off a hell of a lot if these cars were re-released for $200 and would basically made the old ones worthless.
Well thats the risk you take in paying top dollar for a rare model isn't it?
jager
20-06-2009, 01:17 PM
Just to counter that argument Thomas, all the early 1:43 and 1:24 have not been made worthless since Biante and Classics have been around...both are starting to get into models that are exactly the same (or re-releases if you like) too!
Leigh, I wouldn't agree with your comments. Before the Biante version of the 1:43 1976 winning Bathurst Torana, the Trax model was highly sought after and would sell for up to $150. Now they struggle to get $35 because it's been quite rightly displaced by the better detailed, more accurate Biante version that can be brought for $50. The Trax version isn't worthless, but its worth only a fraction of what it was worth previously (I laugh when I see people still trying to sell the Trax version on eBay at +$100 because the Trax pricing guide says that's what their worth).
The Biante version too had started to appreciate in value, but now it seems as though prices for the Biante version have cooled because Classics are soon to release and even better detailed version with opening bonnet and engine detail.
As every new version is released, it tends to consign older less detailed versions to the diecast scrap heap.
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