Whincup favouritism

[stewart]

Why doesnt Mezera give this guy any penalties:-
Case 1. Punting Bargwanna off at Murrays at Bathurst
Case 2. Shortcutting turn 6 at Gold Coast, leg 1. (Ingall copped penalty for same thing)
Case 3. Having panels hanging off car (Skaife copped penalty for same thing at Bathurst a few years ago for passenger rear door. ( Even Whincup thought he would get penalty).
Is Cochrane worried that series wont go down to the last race or is this just another Marcos Ambrose thing where car 1 is never at fault

[HRT-222]

I totaly agree stuart, it is ridiculous how he seems to get away with everything. I have never liked Tomas Mezera, bring back colin bond i say.

[minh427]

Don't forget the incident at Townsville.

[fordmad17]

Blah Blah Blah Here we go again. If it was a holden driver you wouldn't be saying it. He wasn't the only one that cut turn six. Ingall only got a penalty because it was during the shoot out

[wazza002]

But one more thing, He allways gets on TV and has a cry when his championship comes up LoL :p:D

[Deeno]

Geeeez......
Speak about one-eyed Holden fans.........

[1:43]

Geeeez......
Speak about one-eyed Holden fans.........


Maybe they won't complain next year :rolleyes:

[GRPIII]

its more about consistenticy

[zigi08]

agreed, it's all about consistentcy...

[El Cheapo]

Mezera might be wanting a 'clean' championship where the the two contenders have as clean a run to the end. I too believed that Whincup at least should've got some form of penalty from bathurst. The incident reminded me a little bit of Lowndes's incident with Osbournes colourscan EL Falcon at Adelaide in 1999 when Lowndes darted to the inside of Osbourne on the straight and just nicked the rear, sending Osbourne into the wall. Can't remember if Craig was charged or not but iirc Osbourne couldn't afford to fix the car.

[Holdennumber1]

I agree too. At least one of those cases should have been penalised. And if that were the case, Davison would probably be leading the championship.
Maybe Mezera doesn't want any run ins with a raging whinging Whincup after race.:rolleyes:

[wazza002]

its more about consistenticy

agreed, it's all about consistentcy...

Yeah, In his consistentcy whinging all the time LoL :p:D

[Brasha]

The continual complaining by holden supporters is becoming tiresome.

Should we start a HRT favouritism thread????

If anyone really believes that there is genuinely any favouritism towards any one particular driver or team then you are serioulsy biased youself.

[Kashmir]

The continual complaining by holden supporters is becoming tiresome.

Should we start a HRT favouritism thread????

If anyone really believes that there is genuinely any favouritism towards any one particular driver or team then you are a fool:mad:

ahh this is making me laugh:laugh4:

[viking]

Dunno if its been covered elsewhere but it looked to me like the rear quarters on the 888 car were fibreglass!!!

[Brasha]

Maybe Whincup could be disqualified for using the wrong portaloo.

We could then penalise Lowndes half his points for being his team mate and also for knowing that Whincup used the wrong portaloo.

Well done great race good drive great championship HRT, GT and WD:D

Great WIN guys.

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it...................................

[El Cheapo]

The continual complaining by holden supporters is becoming tiresome.

I'm not a Holden supporter.

[Brasha]

Dunno if its been covered elsewhere but it looked to me like the rear quarters on the 888 car were fibreglass!!!

WOW Really.

THEY MUST BE CHEATING

How did they get that past the scrutineers:confused:

[onfire]

free red dust car for the scrutineers:p

[wazza002]

WOW Really.

THEY MUST BE CHEATING

How did they get that past the scrutineers:confused:

HaHaHa See My Point :p:D And thats why there getting the speed from the car then LoL :D

[brchi17]

Guys keep it civil.

We've got no problems with people discussing particular items/issues with facts/opinion, however if this is just going to become a driver,team,official/s,etc... bashing/name calling thread, then it will quickly disappear.

[wazza002]

Well I had my fun for the day,Now to watch the V8s now LoL :D:D:D

[Oh Five]

I dont know why some of you persist in turning threads into Holden Vs Ford crap all the time. Grow up, it sounds like schoolyard talk!

[Leigh]

Why doesnt Mezera give this guy any penalties:-
Case 1. Punting Bargwanna off at Murrays at Bathurst
Case 2. Shortcutting turn 6 at Gold Coast, leg 1. (Ingall copped penalty for same thing)
Case 3. Having panels hanging off car (Skaife copped penalty for same thing at Bathurst a few years ago for passenger rear door. ( Even Whincup thought he would get penalty).
Is Cochrane worried that series wont go down to the last race or is this just another Marcos Ambrose thing where car 1 is never at fault


Well, well, well...

Always interesting to read your posts Stewart!

1. Been covered elsewhere infinitum, but the arguement was made that Bargwanna moved twice...only allowed to block once...

2. Race v Qualifying? How many times in the race and how many times did others do it?

3. So you are of course assuming the rules have not changed...you can't seriously be comparing results of 3 years ago with today! Much has changed, but still you play the same old song!

So this whole thread is based on 3 dubious links...driver bashing if ever I saw it...

Oh oh-five, you might want to look at a couple of posts comparing to HRT, including the op and one that says a HRT driver would be leading the championship...certainly is typical Holden v Ford thread!

[Leigh]

Guys keep it civil.

We've got no problems with people discussing particular items/issues with facts/opinion, however if this is just going to become a driver,team,official/s,etc... bashing/name calling thread, then it will quickly disappear.


IMO, as it already should have...the op establishes a driver bash, as does the title...it was never intended as a civil discussion of the three incidences...watch the bagging my post gets for being somewhat logical on the three events!

[Kashmir]

Back to your "debating" ways Leigh?;)

[malscar]

Why not, has a few good points Kash.

In any call made by the driving standards adviser or the race director, there are lots of factors they have to consider. They also have to make that call fairly quickly whereas we can replay things over and over again. Remember, we may get vision they don't. They don't get it right every time and we all think some decisions are not right, but on the whole they don't do too bad a job.

[Leigh]

Dunno if its been covered elsewhere but it looked to me like the rear quarters on the 888 car were fibreglass!!!

Rule C6.2.1.3 allows for composite rear quarter panels...fully within the rule book!

[Leigh]

Back to your "debating" ways Leigh?;)

Debating requires facts to be presented on both sides...

[Kashmir]

Why not, has a few good points Kash.

Nothing wrong,entertaining to read all the "discussion" in this thread.

[GRPIII]

i dont think there is any favourtism towards any particular driver, team or brand, but officals do make decessions based on whats best for results. wether that be a penatly or not or a safety intervention.
the safety car being the worst.
a car can be stuck on the wall with seconds the safety car is out, by the time the safety car has hit the curcuit the stuck car is already going.

its all about racing for them.
take last years bathurst, with one of the cars dieing on the warm up lap, park on the the run up to the cutting in a very bad sport. but they let the race start under greens, do a lap or so than the yellows were out, that was a very poor deccesion from them for the sake of racing, dont want the race to start under yellows but they could have just done another warm up lap.
its all about making the racing, results more interesting.
so the only favouritism is to the raing itself.

[rayman]

i dont think there is any favourtism towards any particular driver, team or brand, but officals do make decessions based on whats best for results. wether that be a penatly or not or a safety intervention.
the safety car being the worst.
a car can be stuck on the wall with seconds the safety car is out, by the time the safety car has hit the curcuit the stuck car is already going.

its all about racing for them.
take last years bathurst, with one of the cars dieing on the warm up lap, park on the the run up to the cutting in a very bad sport. but they let the race start under greens, do a lap or so than the yellows were out, that was a very poor deccesion from them for the sake of racing, dont want the race to start under yellows but they could have just done another warm up lap.
its all about making the racing, results more interesting.
so the only favouritism is to the raing itself.
That is exactly what it is all about.

[zigi08]

Yeah, In his consistentcy whinging all the time LoL :p:D

hahahaha...point taken. I still like to see more consistency...but hey it's never going to satisfy everyone!

[wazza002]

hahahaha...point taken. I still like to see more consistency...but hey it's never going to satisfy everyone!

Well there is no consistency at the moment, It seems to change every time and every track :(

[brchi17]

Well there is no consistency at the moment, It seems to change every time and every track :(

An open question regarding this, is it the same officials at every track or is there a different group each round which could be a factor in all this???

I know Tim Shenken and Thomas Mezera travel with the circus, but does anyone else in the decision making process ???

[VXfan]

I know Tim Shenken and Thomas Mezera travel with the circus

Nice wording Brad....:2thumbsup:

[fordmad17]

Whincup didn't get any favouritism with the Gold Coast City Council giving his road car and many of the officals and v8 staff a $150 parking fine yesterday.

[commanderwhite]

Personally I dislike Whingecup & Clowndes & I'm a Holden supporter but I didn't think yesterday's incident deserved a drive thru.

I thought he got up far enough & he only just nudged him - so I think the stupids may have got one finally right.

As for the Bathurst one - nah the stupids got that wrong totally he was never far enough up the inside & should've got a drive thru.

[brchi17]

Whincup didn't get any favouritism with the Gold Coast City Council giving his road car and many of the officals and v8 staff a $150 parking fine yesterday.

well that was his only fine for the weekend, as apparently the push to pass on Bargwanna has been deemed too grey for a decision as apparently there wasn't a clear breach of regulations with regards to that move....:rolleyes:

[njf015]

An open question regarding this, is it the same officials at every track or is there a different group each round which could be a factor in all this???

I know Tim Shenken and Thomas Mezera travel with the circus, but does anyone else in the decision making process ???

V8 Supercar has a crew that travels with them. The trackside officials are generally local to the circuit. These groups are fully CAMS licenced, and the seniors on each corner are "Judges of Fact" whom assist the clerk of course (Schenkin) in making the decisions.
As a senior myself, sometimes the call you make is over-ridden by Tim etc. Sometimes not.
As a senior, the consistency of calls becomes a great debate at every round, and after the round over a few cold ones ;)

[inter]

I have a question to the tru die hard holden supporters out there.
In 2010 I assume that most of the race wins and championship will be between 4 drivers? All Holden.
Whincup , Lowndes, Tander and W Davidson.

Who will you support the 888 team or the HRT team?

[Kashmir]

I have a question to the tru die hard holden supporters out there.
In 2010 I assume that most of the race wins and championship will be between 4 drivers? All Holden.
Whincup , Lowndes, Tander and W Davidson.

Who will you support the 888 team or the HRT team?

HRT

[inter]

HRT

and what happens if 888 start dominating, will Holden supporters warm to them?

[pitcrew]

I would still follow Hrt

[VE II]

HRT but I'd be ok if lowndes does well. I can't stand whincup

[Kashmir]

and what happens if 888 start dominating, will Holden supporters warm to them?

I guess so,don't particularly like Lowndes or Whincup though.

[minh427]

HRT for me

[Oh Five]

I think a few holden supporters will follow Lowndes again. Im undecided yet, will probably stick with HRT as i dont use Yodafone nor like Roly poly Dane, but idolised CL in the HRT days:confused:

[brad]

Mezera might be wanting a 'clean' championship where the the two contenders have as clean a run to the end. I too believed that Whincup at least should've got some form of penalty from bathurst. The incident reminded me a little bit of Lowndes's incident with Osbournes colourscan EL Falcon at Adelaide in 1999 when Lowndes darted to the inside of Osbourne on the straight and just nicked the rear, sending Osbourne into the wall. Can't remember if Craig was charged or not but iirc Osbourne couldn't afford to fix the car.

Actually with that incident they got the telemetry from osbournes car and he got off the gas out of what i think was turn 7? and lowndes tagged him, while he too got of the gas and swerved to avoid the lapped falcon. you could see the skid marks behind lowndes' car as he tried to avoid him.. who in their right mind gets off the gas online at the exit of a corner to let the leader through. I realise he was injured in the accident but it was his fault. Lowndes copped a black flag, and then was put to the rear of field for race 2.. but the 99 500 was a farce anyway they changed teh rules halfway through the round anyway.

Tander gets away with a fair bit aswell before we keep this rubbish going.. do you people want to see racing? maybe we can let the safety car lead the races for the rest of the year and decide one qualifying... but then hang on whincup would probably win still wouldn't he and lets not forget tanders pass on kelly at bathurst that was ridiculous..

[Brasha]

Tander gets away with a fair bit aswell before we keep this rubbish going.. do you people want to see racing? maybe we can let the safety car lead the races for the rest of the year and decide one qualifying... but then hang on whincup would probably win still wouldn't he


There are some people on here who just want to see HRT win and the don't care how they do it.

They are not really interested in seeing racing

[brad]

depends if the cameras see the deed or not. you ask any of them if they gave it as good as they got it and if they are honest 90% would say yes

[HDT337]

I have a question to the tru die hard holden supporters out there.
In 2010 I assume that most of the race wins and championship will be between 4 drivers? All Holden.
Whincup , Lowndes, Tander and W Davidson.

Who will you support the 888 team or the HRT team?

Im a die hard Holden fan, but I have always followed Lowndes, and liked the 888 cars, in a way, I'm a bit dissapointed that 888 will be Holden next year, as the 888 Falcons look awsome.

HDT337

[1:43]

Im a die hard Holden fan, but I have always followed Lowndes, and liked the 888 cars, in a way, I'm a bit dissapointed that 888 will be Holden next year, as the 888 Falcons look awsome.

HDT337

With the new sponsor (holden) it will be interesting to see what they do with the livery. It was starting to get repetitious. (but yes they have alway looked awsome)

[A9L]

I will still follow HRT, I think the Bathurst move on Bargs was ok because Bargs was weaving and blocking, so Wincup was not in the wrong, but the way Wincup barged his way through at Surfers was just rude, he was not the only driver trying to improve there position, and look at the carnage he left behind after the dodgy move on Bargs, there was no way that was ever going to work, because at least one of them was going to be taken out, and as it turned out it was Richo and Bargs!

[david5]

It's interesting that not so long ago HRT were evil for punting MS & letting Uncle Tom back in. I also recall some mention of the VE being a dud.....everyone loves a winner. :rolleyes:

[AmonFan]

It's interesting that not so long ago HRT were evil for punting MS & letting Uncle Tom back in. I also recall some mention of the VE being a dud.....everyone loves a winner. :rolleyes:

Winner's suck..... Long live Amon and Ralph Radburn :D

[GRPIII]

I have a question to the tru die hard holden supporters out there.
In 2010 I assume that most of the race wins and championship will be between 4 drivers? All Holden.
Whincup , Lowndes, Tander and W Davidson.

Who will you support the 888 team or the HRT team?

im a holden fan thru & thru.
couldnt give a stuff whos driving or what team, as long as it for the general, im as happy a larry.

[brad]

I will still follow HRT, I think the Bathurst move on Bargs was ok because Bargs was weaving and blocking, so Wincup was not in the wrong, but the way Wincup barged his way through at Surfers was just rude, he was not the only driver trying to improve there position, and look at the carnage he left behind after the dodgy move on Bargs, there was no way that was ever going to work, because at least one of them was going to be taken out, and as it turned out it was Richo and Bargs!

bargs would have seen him coming wouldn't he? that move was done by quite a few people on the weekend, they all know it can be done, but only if the guy ahead sees them and gives a bit of room, i doubt after bathurst bargs would want to give him much room.. although it was good to see him on pole, he's been a favourite of mine since 98.. at the end of the day if they didn't have a loose plug lead bargs wouldn't have been in that position anyway.

[Holdennumber1]

I have a question to the tru die hard holden supporters out there.
In 2010 I assume that most of the race wins and championship will be between 4 drivers? All Holden.
Whincup , Lowndes, Tander and W Davidson.

Who will you support the 888 team or the HRT team? HRT 110% and without any doubts!:)
I'll never support Team Vodafone, or even Lowndes and Whincup as drivers. In fact I hope they don't win any races at all at Holden. I'd have rathered them stay at Ford instead of coming to the red side.
And no, I don't hate anyone thats been in a ford, I always hope Van Gisbergen goes well aswell as Coulthard and even Steve Johnson.:)
Cheers,
Thomas

[skaifeyfan2]

It's interesting that not so long ago HRT were evil for punting MS & letting Uncle Tom back in. I also recall some mention of the VE being a dud.....everyone loves a winner. :rolleyes:

i was so hoping Skaife and Murph won. Not only cos they are awesome, but because it would've been a "F you" from Skaife to HRT. :D

i was a HRT fan up till last season.

[commanderwhite]

HRT 110% and without any doubts!:)
I'll never support Team Vodafone, or even Lowndes and Whincup as drivers. In fact I hope they don't win any races at all at Holden. I'd have rathered them stay at Ford instead of coming to the red side.
And no, I don't hate anyone thats been in a ford, I always hope Van Gisbergen goes well aswell as Coulthard and even Steve Johnson.:)
Cheers,
Thomas

I agree with you Thomas but I will never support HRT in any scenario.

Up until Brocky's passing I only ever followed him but since I am now a GRM supporter & will be with them & no else until Garry leaves the sport.

[Brasha]

HRT 110% and without any doubts!:)
I'll never support Team Vodafone, or even Lowndes and Whincup as drivers. In fact I hope they don't win any races at all at Holden. I'd have rathered them stay at Ford instead of coming to the red side.
And no, I don't hate anyone thats been in a ford, I always hope Van Gisbergen goes well aswell as Coulthard and even Steve Johnson.:)
Cheers,
Thomas

Thomas,
I would be interested to hear your reasoning behind your dislike for Team Vodafone, Lowndes & Whincup.:)

[Maq]

Because they have stoped holden from winning a lot of races.:smartass:

[Kashmir]

Because they have stoped holden from winning a lot of races.:smartass:

But they won't be from next year bahahahaha

[El Cheapo]

Thomas,
I would be interested to hear your reasoning behind your dislike for Team Vodafone, Lowndes & Whincup.:)

IIRC, Thomas feels Lowndes is fake and Whincup a nob :laugh4: :p

I agree with the latter, but for me Lowndes is one of the nicest guys out there. I'd support him no matter what he drives.

[Holdennumber1]

Thomas,
I would be interested to hear your reasoning behind your dislike for Team Vodafone, Lowndes & Whincup.:) Hey Brasha, I'll continue this discussion via PM as I don't want to start any arguments or anything like that over my personal views.
Hope thats ok mate.
Cheers,:)
Thomas

P.S Thanks Matt, let the whole forum know.:p

[El Cheapo]

P.S Thanks Matt.:p

No worries ;):p

[gab73]

He most definately deserved a penalty for this.
BpVkiboDQ-4

[Brasha]

Hey Brasha, I'll continue this discussion via PM as I don't want to start any arguments or anything like that over my personal views.
Hope thats ok mate.
Cheers,:)
Thomas

P.S Thanks Matt, let the whole forum know.:p

Thomas,
You misread my intentions, when asking the question.

I didnt ask it to start an arguement at all.

I just wanted to see if you had thought about what you said.:)

Anyway I got ur PM, and you had, so good on you for being honest.

Anyway I sent you a 5000 word essay in reply. Sorry I got carried away;)

[GOBBO]

With the new sponsor (holden) it will be interesting to see what they do with the livery. It was starting to get repetitious. (but yes they have alway looked awsome)

and the hrt ones arnt . sorry designer i know you do them but jeez they are a yawn fest

[1:43]

and the hrt ones arnt . sorry designer i know you do them but jeez they are a yawn fest

Only made comment that they will look differen't next year for a change. (I don't mind they HRT ones, but maybe they could swap to Ford if they need a change in livery:jester::jester::jester:)

[El Cheapo]

and the hrt ones arnt . sorry designer i know you do them but jeez they are a yawn fest

Well the last 4 have been completely different :confused:

Most professional liveries out there imo :cool:

[GOBBO]

Well the last 4 have been completely different :confused:

Most professional liveries out there imo :cool:

i wouldnt say competely i must not look hard enough at them because i dont see any major changes.

[VE II]

i wouldnt say competely i must not look hard enough at them because i dont see any major changes.

2006 - all red
2007 - dayglo with black sides
2008 - white front, dayglo sides and rear <- most different HRT livery for over 10 yrs
2009 - dayglo front, white sides and rear.

yes the elements of the design stay the same - lions head on bonnet and sides - but thats what makes it HRT.

The only reason 888 are different this year is to accomodate the new lines of the FG. It has chrome and orange in esentially all the same places as last year. 2007-2008 had a nice change.
I'd love to see the 2009 888 livery with lots of black - it'd look really tough on the VE. :D

[GOBBO]

2006 - all red
2007 - dayglo with black sides
2008 - white front, dayglo sides and rear <- most different HRT livery for over 10 yrs
2009 - dayglo front, white sides and rear.

yes the elements of the design stay the same - lions head on bonnet and sides - but thats what makes it HRT.

The only reason 888 are different this year is to accomodate the new lines of the FG. It has chrome and orange in esentially all the same places as last year. 2007-2008 had a nice change.
I'd love to see the 2009 888 livery with lots of black - it'd look really tough on the VE. :D

fair enough then

[wayno]

Plus for this year we got the proper lion/driver logo back on the side of the HRT car.
Back to the way things should be and results have improved. They should have listened to me ages ago! :D

[Holdennumber1]

Thomas,
You misread my intentions, when asking the question.

I didnt ask it to start an arguement at all.

I just wanted to see if you had thought about what you said.

Anyway I got ur PM, and you had, so good on you for being honest.

Anyway I sent you a 5000 word essay in reply. Sorry I got carried away;)
No worries, all good then.:)
My apologies for my post sounding that way also, I didn't really mean an argument with you but more so anyone that could come along and read it and then question my views.;) Thats why I thought it may be better left to a PM.:)

Anyway, I think the HRT livery has changed a fair bit over the lest few years. Like Matt said, its had a heap of colour changes and swaps around the car.
Cheers,
Thomas