Abu Dhabi dont look if you dont want to know ok

[ratster70]

Sorry to the others here are the top ten shootout qualifiers
Garth Tander
Will Davison
James Courtney
Lee Holdsworth
Mark Winterbottom
Craig Lowndes
Jamie Whincup
Shane VanGisBergen
Jason Bright
Alex Davison

not in order just the top ten qualifiers
i will post top ten shortly;)

[onfire]

ah bugger i looked

[00lowndes]

How it going Rat

[njf015]

whincup, Tander, Courtney top 3

[njf015]

lowndes got a 2.09 so must have spun in 3rd sector

[ratster70]

Ok here it is top ten results
1.Whincup 1:58:114
2.Tander 1:58:355
3.Frosty 1:58:662
4.Courtney 1:58:679
5.W Davison 1:58:854
6.Bright 1:58:9000
7.Holdsworth 1:59:356
8.A Davison 1:59:418
9.Van Giz 1:59:525
10.Lowndes spun out

[Holdennumber1]

Woohoo, I tipped Whincup for pole at the last minute when I changed to him from Tander.:DGood to see Bright up there again this year also.:)

[00lowndes]

Who said t8 wouldn't be on the pass. Go T8 Lets hope Lowndes can come back through the field

[Mixalis]

Awesome qualifying, so tomorow (Saturday) 12:30 start to Race 1, i think they will be replaying the qualifying and top 10 for those who didnt see it though so i dont think the actual race will commence until later... Can anyone confirm time?

[ratster70]

Woohoo, I tipped Whincup for pole at the last minute when I changed to him from Tander.:DGood to see Bright up there again this year also.:)


Noice start with the tipping comp Thomas well done i had GT here ;):D 3 secs out with lap time here not bad guess i guess lol

[louieate8ate]

Is that Marin Burela I can hear crying???

[Ajm069]

Results of the first race are in the V8 supercars website , if you really want to look .....

[malscar]

Photos of GTs car show the car looks like it went through the wringer. Also the lion is being sick.

[Ajm069]

Photos of GTs car show the car looks like it went through the wringer. Also the lion is being sick.
Shouldn't have been at the back of the field , what a joke .

[supa-roo]

Photos of GTs car show the car looks like it went through the wringer. Also the lion is being sick.

looks similar to the bathurst car a coupla years back with all that tape on it

[Kashmir]

Geez what a awful start for HRT to the season:( oh well at least Holden still won.

[ratster70]

And started quite well with both cars in top 5 qualifying hopefully can turn it around fast;):D

[bjsti7]

davison was very unlucky

[Kashmir]

So was GT, was meant to start on the front row but had to go to the back and that was it:(

[GOBBO]

i wonder if team voda phone would have been in the same position if some of the penaltys wernt held out if gt frostydidnt have to play catch up iy might have been a differnt story oh well thats racing for you i still believe the giz might do something special in thr next race after clocking the fastest race lap

[GOBBO]

Is that Marin Burela I can hear crying???

whys that there still plenty of fords showing promise its only been one race

[onfire]

this is a quote from speed cafe, gotta say i love it

"
Castrol Edge stand-in driver Paul Morris copped a drive-through penalty for an altercation with Jack Daniel’s Racing’s Todd Kelly. Kelly was passing Morris around the outside at the bottom of the corkscrew but Morris collected the back of Kelly’s car, sending him spinning out of contention.
Kelly was not impressed.
“Never in my life have I come across such a peanut of a bloke,” said Kelly.
“He’s renowned for it and he ought to be congratulated for having a racing license as long as he has because he’s a first-class fruit bat.
“He’s ruined our race right from the start.”

[GOBBO]

morris causing accidents noooo . i agree with kelly the blokes a clown

[GLENN L]

love what todd has to say about morriss.

[GOBBO]

nothing intelligent as per normal id say

[Chev_350]

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/415/morrisk.jpg

Morris - The grumpy old man of V8s.

[Chev_350]

This is a joke, sure its an impressive track but there is no one there.

[El Cheapo]

this is a quote from speed cafe, gotta say i love it

"
Castrol Edge stand-in driver Paul Morris copped a drive-through penalty for an altercation with Jack Daniel’s Racing’s Todd Kelly. Kelly was passing Morris around the outside at the bottom of the corkscrew but Morris collected the back of Kelly’s car, sending him spinning out of contention.
Kelly was not impressed.
“Never in my life have I come across such a peanut of a bloke,” said Kelly.
“He’s renowned for it and he ought to be congratulated for having a racing license as long as he has because he’s a first-class fruit bat.
“He’s ruined our race right from the start.”

Loving that :laugh4: Remember Morris and Todd had a handful of incidents at Bahrain in 07.

Anyone know when this is being shown on NZ TV? :o Not sure if it's been said elsewhere..

[wayno]

Hot good are T8? Pretty darn impressive IMO.

[My Element]

Hot good are T8? Pretty darn impressive IMO.
yes, not bad for two brand new cars.

[ratster70]

And Jamie was certainly less than impressed with how the car ran at the 2 test sessions they had at QR so they quickly sorted those problems out;)

[Kashmir]

As long as they're blowing the doors off every Ford team I'm happy:D

[tonynz]

Tomorrow, Sunday 1.30 to 5.30 guess we will get 4 hours of adverts, thank God for My Sky.

[pitcrew]

Why was GT sent the back ?
I missed it.
Cheers

[wazza002]

Why was GT sent the back ?
I missed it.
Cheers

He Had no saffty jacks under the car when they used a jack under the diff mate ;):D

[pitcrew]

He Had no saffty jacks under the car when they used a jack under the diff mate ;):D
What a costly mistake and it just snowball from there.

[wazza002]

What a costly mistake and it just snowball from there.

Your not wrong mate, And morris as well he didn't help taking him out and todd :mad:

[wazza002]

But how great the track looks at night awesome looking stands with blue lights, Well done to them :D;)

[Masterblaster]

As long as they're blowing the doors off every Ford team I'm happy:D

I'm not sure "blowing the doors off" is the term most of us would use.

Considering the Cheque Book purchasers that have been made by Holden . . . 6 Ford's in the Top 9 . . . I think they'd be giving themselves an Uppercut! :p

[Masterblaster]

. . . Or maybe I should say it this way:

"4 Ford's in the Bottom 20 positions!"

[Kashmir]

I'm not sure "blowing the doors off" is the term most of us would use.

Considering the Cheque Book purchasers that have been made by Holden . . . 6 Ford's in the Top 9 . . . I think they'd be giving themselves an Uppercut! :p

Hey both T888 cars beat all the Fords;),

re the 6 Ford's in the top 9, doesn't matter cause a Holden got first:p

[Masterblaster]

Hey both T888 cars beat all the Fords;),

re the 6 Ford's in the top 9, doesn't matter cause a Holden got first:p

I was waiting for your reply Kashy! :)

Holden's certainly lucky to have them onboard . . .

(I gotta say it was great to see a HRT Commodore Lunch itself!) :cool:

[Oh Five]

Didnt see the whole race, but the cars/circuit looked bloody great under lights. Love the pit exit "burnley Tunnel":)
Love or hate T8, they have shown they are up to any challenge. To come over to a different make and get the first 2 spots, is no mean feat .(yeh yeh I know its only 1 race:rolleyes: )

Morris you are a tool.
Frostys penalty was a joke was it really ANY advantage!

So what time is the next race (vic time)

[awawaw]

Hey both T888 cars beat all the Fords;),

re the 6 Ford's in the top 9, doesn't matter cause a Holden got first:p

id say 888 won, not holden. same team, diff car. just goes to show that the cars really are fordadores.

[brchi17]

Interesting to see some of the higher performance driver to not rate a mention, I think Johno Webbs drive in the #19 Falcon was awesome, also to see all 3 DJR Falcon's in the top 15 was splendid. Kudos to T8, they're simply the best in the business - enough said!

[wazza]

This is a joke, sure its an impressive track but there is no one there.

can't be that impressive that V8SC seem to know better than the designers to put tyre bundles all over the shop, let the boys race on a track the way it was designed.

id say 888 won, not holden. same team, diff car. just goes to show that the cars really are fordadores.

or commalcons, I commented to missus today that even watching the 1hr NASCAR Sprintcup highlights was more exciting than watching this race, it was sooo boring and I class myself as an avid fan, don't hold much hope for the rest of the season...

[El Cheapo]

Tomorrow, Sunday 1.30 to 5.30 guess we will get 4 hours of adverts, thank God for My Sky.

Thanks mate :)

YES Mysky is glorious. Made the jump to it when we got a new telly :cool: That said, I'll watch it all live :o

[HRT-222]

Morris is an absolute tool, he completley stuffed up Tander and T. Kelly's race....The circuit looks fantastic and having the cars on track under lights looks spectacular

The penalty for Winterbottom was ridiculous, don't know how he gained an advantage out of that....

Hopefully Race 2 is a bit better for HRT and the Kelly's

[ratster70]

Morris is an absolute tool, he completley stuffed up Tander and T. Kelly's race....The circuit looks fantastic and having the cars on track under lights looks spectacular

The penalty for Winterbottom was ridiculous, don't know how he gained an advantage out of that....

Hopefully Race 2 is a bit better for HRT and the Kelly's


I agree morris is a tool sometimes but he didnt stuff GT's day that happened with the jack incident which put him in that predicament with morris hopefully both hrt cars will go better tonight:D

[Holdennumber1]

May I ask. What happened to Tander that damaged his car? I dropped in and out of watching the race and only saw Morris take out Kelly.
Also, I was impressed with Frosty but I do believe the penalty was fair. You can't just start where ever you want parralell with the grid line.
Bruce, he may have had no advangtage but if they didn't penalise it, it would be saying that anyone can do it and get away with it. And maybe it would have an advantage on some tracks like blocking out guys coming from behind.

[ratster70]

May I ask. What happened to Tander that damaged his car? I dropped in and out of watching the race and only saw Morris take out Kelly.
Also, I was impressed with Frosty but I do believe the penalty was fair. You can't just start where ever you want parralell with the grid line.
Bruce, he may have had no advangtage but if they didn't penalise it, it would be saying that anyone can do it and get away with it. And maybe it would have an advantage on some tracks like blocking out guys coming from behind.


When morris hit kelly the onflow from it involved tander being hit by someone cant member who it was and basically bent all the front mounts of the splitter and they lost 5minutes in the first pit stop then a problem with oil in the diff dropped him further down. all in all bad day at the office:( i agree with the frosty bit as the guy behind him may off got a better start and frosty isnt where he sposed to be or what if he stalled it on the line imagine the chaos if they all just staggered where ever they want

[Holdennumber1]

Thanks for the info mate.:)Thats very unlucky for Tander.:( I suppose it proves that the power of a race or qualifying penalty can make someones whole weekend go way of course. Hopefully it wasn't damaged too bad.
At least he gets a fresh start for tommorrow (or should I say tonight) and doesn't have to start from the back of the grid again like you would a few years ago.

[david5]

I sse Mary Mackillop has been made a Saint, they've approved all her miracles, wonder if HRT can sign her for tomorrow........

[AmonFan]

Hopefully Patrizi can pick up the pace and improve from P7.....

[monarocveightz]

I have to say I like Yas Marina....looks pretty cool under lights....especially when you see the disc brakes light up, and the flames from the cars!

Well done to T8....certainly showed up HRT!

[edy]

just finished watching the 1st race of the year.

How impressive was that.

Well done JW and CL for a 1st and 2nd place respectively. Frosty fought back well to claim 3rd place after a harsh 10 second penalty for starting on the yellow part of the track rather than the white box.

The move to Holden certainly hasnt stopped T8. Lowndesy seems very quick!

Some interesting observations:

1. The dirty dangerous dude was back to his best. Got caught up in some accidents and punted Todd off. Got a drive through though.
2. Tander - bad luck.
3. The T8 and HRT cars achieve their speed in very different ways. Crompton was saying that the T8 car turns in like a Falcon!
4. A fair few teams started with the new Control rim. eg - SvG in part of the race ran white OZs at the front and the Control Rims at the rear.
5. Ford support is only for #17 and #18. Jono didnt have FORD on windscreens but had a Ford logo on the boot.
6. Glen Waverly Forklifts has a slight prescence on the bootlit of Lucas Dumbrell Racing's car

[edy]

Here's a pic of the great man from QR Test day

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3455/p1100080.j pg (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/p1100080.jpg/)

[Bones]

Here's a pic of the great man from QR Test day

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3455/p1100080.j pg (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/p1100080.jpg/)


Gotta love the can of Coke :D:D

[njf015]

thought the track was/is awesome. fraid the racing was very boring. 1st few laps were good, then very processional for the remainder, bar around pitstop time. hoping tonights race is better otherwise my sunday arvo snooze will be back....

[1:43]

When morris hit kelly the onflow from it involved tander being hit by someone cant member who it was and basically bent all the front mounts of the splitter and they lost 5minutes in the first pit stop

I'll bet that Walkinshaw is thinking back to the protest that he lodged against T8 for the moveable mounts on the front splitter last year. If he had of just copied them, Garth would have not spent all that time in the pits. :p

[barnart]

1 word on this 1st race "BORING"

[BILLFORD1]

My take on things....First up I thought the GT penalty was a tad harsh. Destroyed his race before it started, add to that, the fact it was not HIS fault. I would have thought a cash removal plan placed on the team would have done the deal. Fairly stupid to put a front row car, based on shootout times, to the back for that. When was that precedent set ? Or are we just pulling rule modifications out of our hats again, I mean still ? Then we have the thing with the #5 car. Last time I perused the rule book, it waffled on about how the front wheels MUST be behind the line at 90 degrees to the track, ie front of grid box, when the flag drops/lights go out. Apart from that, you could start out in the grass, or even in the Public Carpark If you wanted, so long as your vehicle was astern of that lateral line.....Then when MS said that there was probably no way he was not going to get pinged for it, due to quote "The level of professionalism in V8SC these days", I bloody near choked !! Girl Guides are more professional than V8SC !! I can see there will be an ongoing poofight in 0-10, same as for the last several seasons...:toilet: Nascar Qualifying in an hour or so...no doubt that will be run to the same rules in force for the last 20 years or so. Just to close ...I find it interesting that we never seem to get constant updates on 'Attendance Numbers' at the 'Camel Kingdom Rounds'....Wonder if there's more than 28 people turn up for any of these events, besides the hierarchy hidden in the corporate suites ????

[cooper1117]

Well in the give away already 3/4 of the tips are eliminated now with Garth only being able to score a maximum of 150 point. Only 11 tipsters left in the running.

My 2 cents worth, I wish we could let the racing settle the results instead of officialdom. Tanders penality could have been delt with by serving a fine, make it a hefty one and make it out to the Magrath Foundation. 2nd to last - joke. Frosty, again no real advantage, fine would serve as a reminded to anyone else who does it again. 10 seconds for a simple error, leave it off the track, let the cars and drivers do the talking, officials run the event and stop altering the results.

The ethanol flames at night were a welcome return, plenty were showing a red glow in the underground pit exit, all except the triple 8 cars - their engine mapping must not allow for any wastage of fuel - not a good sign for Bathurst competitors - looks like thier fuel economy and speed will be an advantage agian this year.

[bortall]

1 word on this 1st race "BORING"
+1

Only made it to about Lap 10 - then ZZzzzzz :sleeping2: (maybe it got better after that :confused:)

I also thought the 43 over the start line was the crowd count :D

[bortall]

Qualifying for Race 2
http://www.kalparapark.com.au/ad_qr2.jpg

[Kashmir]

Looks like it's gonna be a good race, surprised Davo is back in 22nd though?
Nice to see Rick up there as well and hopefully it's better luck for GT as well.

[HRT-222]

What is going on with Will's car, it seems that it can't find the pace any where....Good to see GT right up there and also Rick after they both didn't have the best day yesterday

Be interesting to see how tander goes in Race 2, his car has the pace

I think that maybe the HRT boys shouldn't have switched engineers imo

[Poita]

http://twitter.com/SPEEDCAFE

Only info I can find about Race 2.

[Poita]

Lap 21: Whincup, Winterbottom, van Gisbergen, Lowndes, R Kelly, Courtney, Johnson, Bright, Holdsworth, Ingall

[GOBBO]

any updates on this

[Bizzy029]

according to Speedcafe twitter: RESULTS..

Whincup
Winterbottom
Van Giz
Rick Kelly
Lowdnes
Courtney
Holdsworth
Johnson

were the top 8

Tander DNF

[cooper1117]

Race 2 results; Abu Dhabi
1.#1Jamie Whincup43 laps
2.#5Mark Winterbottom–
3.#9Shane Van Gisbergen–
4.#15Rick Kelly–
5.#888Craig Lowndes–
6.#18James Courtney–
7.#33Lee Holdsworth–
8.#17Steven Johnson–
9.#39Russell Ingall–
10.#14Jason Bright–
11.#34Michael Caruso–
12.#55Paul Dumbrell–
13.#47Tim Slade–
14.#22Will Davison–
15.#11Jason Bargwanna–
16.#24Fabian Coulthard–
17.#6Steven Richards–
18.#19Jonathon Webb–
19.#3Tony D’Alberto–
20.#10Andrew Thompson–
21.#8Jason Richards–
22.#12Dean Fiore–
23.#21Karl Reindler–
24.#30Daniel Gaunt–
25.#16Tony Ricciardello42 laps
26.#7Todd Kelly–
27.#4Alex Davison41 laps
DNF#2Garth Tander–
DNF#51Paul Morris–
Championship points after two races
1.Jamie Whincup300
2.Mark Winterbottom267
3.Craig Lowndes249
4.Shane Van Gisbergen231
5.James Courtney222
6.Lee Holdsworth207
7.Rick Kelly198
8.Paul Dumbrell165
9.Steven Johnson152
10.Jonathon Webb141
11.Michael Caruso132
12.Tim Slade129
13.Jason Bargwanna126
14.Jason Bright120
15.Jason Richards111
16.Fabian Coulthard111
17.Steven Richards111
18.Alex Davison108
19.Russell Ingall108
20.Tony D’Alberto99
21.Dean Fiore84
22.Andrew Thompson83
23.Daniel Gaunt72
24.Tony Ricciardello63
25.Will Davison63
26.Todd Kelly57
27.Karl Reindler36
28.Garth Tander27
29.Paul Morris26

[VE II]

YESSSS :D Shane Van Gisbergen in 3rd! Maiden podium for him!!! :D :D

[ratster70]

Oh now thats a depressing start to the season for us HRT fans:( but at least a holden won i guess (oh yeah i know its just panels and badges oh and the chev motor:rolleyes:) Man just goes to show that all the other teams have a lot more to learn from triple 8 be it in a ford or holden they are showing the level of professionalism they have is way out in front of the rest of the field. As federer is to tennis and tiger to golf.

[VE II]

How sensational do the cars look under the lights at night!!! :D
The T8 cars look freaking awesome and im warming to the HRT cars. I'm still getting over the removal of the lion logo on the bonnet, but apart from that, they look great

[Kashmir]

Oh now thats a depressing start to the season for us HRT fans:( but at least a holden won i guess (oh yeah i know its just panels and badges oh and the chev motor:rolleyes:) Man just goes to show that all the other teams have a lot more to learn from triple 8 be it in a ford or holden they are showing the level of professionalism they have is way out in front of the rest of the field. As federer is to tennis and tiger to golf.

Yeah very depressing start for HRT but at lest T888 won I guess oh well HRT can try again next round.

[superfly]

Good to see Whincup winning although I'm a Ford fan. Triple 8 are a class above the rest and Whincup is just in the zone. I hope he wins the championship again. That'll prove he's the best there is.

He's a top bloke.

And I picked him for the pole and both wins :) Glad to see Tander get a DNF. Can't stand him.

[HRT-222]

So does anyone know what happened to tander??

[Masterblaster]

Hopefully now that the first 2 races are run and won we will stop hearing all the crap regarding 19 Holdens versus 10 Fords . . .

I know it's early days, but the Championship is very even already . . . and shows that you only need a few competitive cars from each side to make it interesting. :cool:

I think it's great T8 are flying, FPR looks Fast, Stones and DJR have lifted and the Fujitsu GRM cars have pciked up where they left off in 2009! Sad weekend for HRT, but every one know's they'll be back stronger next Thursday in Bahrain!:D

I'm not sure if I'm looking forward to watching this arvo's race on TV . . . check out the Gaps between the first 4 cars at the finish . . . 6 seconds, 8 seconds and then 5 seconds . . . that doesn't suggest "close racing" to me! :(

[VXfan]

Glad to see Tander get a DNF. Can't stand him.
Ditto..:D
Nice start for HRT LOL! Looks like Murph has as much a chance as they do this year now.:p
Cheers,
Tony.

[ratster70]

So does anyone know what happened to tander??

Ive been told it was front suspension failure ;) gut wrenching weekend for both HRT boys after promising start

[Holdennumber1]

I havn't seent the race yet but well done to Whincup. I can't believe the guys from 888 with a whole new car could do so well straight away!:eek:
So seeing that no team had previous data on the Abu Dhabi track, would that advantage them? Because Whincup said the two cars (falcon and commodore) felt very different and if thats the case, then you'd think that the other teams might be slighty advantaged in the rounds ahead.

[kts350]

Another boring race good to see nothing has changed from last year..

[Kashmir]

Another boring race good to see nothing has changed from last year..

But did anyone actually think it was going to be any different than HRT vs 888 vs FPR?

Also good move by Lowndes on Courtney:D

[El Cheapo]

But did anyone actually think it was going to be any different than HRT vs 888 vs FPR?

Well SBR, DJR, JDR and GRM all factored in the 2 races, so..... :rolleyes:

Decent races. Good to see van Gisbergen on the podium again :D Also good to see that Frosty is quick from day 1, unlike last year.

But T8 look pretty much unstoppable. Bloody well done guys :)

[skaifeyfan2]

Another boring race good to see nothing has changed from last year..

If it bores you so, why do you watch?

Was alright, the 0% chance of safety cars certainly didn't help the atmosphere but twas good.

[Kashmir]

Well SBR, DJR, JDR and GRM all factored in the 2 races, so..... :rolleyes:

Championship race championship race;)

Anyway looking forward to seeing what will happen next round, HRT are certainly quick just rotten luck spoiled them this round.

[wazza002]

I can not get over how T8 can transgress from Ford to Holden this year, Not like Holden guys its taken them 2 years to find the grove in the car.;)

[wazza]

wonder what the go was with 888 changing the grill in Whincups car between qualify and racing, they did it both days, any chance it's a different airflow device for qualy...

[edy]

Well done to JW - 300 points.

What a good start to the title defence.

I initially tipped 100 or so points for Tander. I didnt expect such a shocker for him....

Tander picked up around 27 or so points, so Murph is not too far behind from him. :p

Although it may be far too early to say - the performance and professional of T8 really shines through from Ford to Holden....

I dont think HRT could go to Ford and deliver the same results....

So here's to Nissan/Mercedes Benz/Hyundai in 2013 for T8!!!

[edy]

any chance it's a different airflow device for qualy...

strange one hey. I thought they would have done that to differentiate #1 and #888 although they have never done this before.

i think it makes the front splitter more flexible :p:p

[kts350]

If it bores you so, why do you watch?

Was alright, the 0% chance of safety cars certainly didn't help the atmosphere but twas good.

I didn't watch all of it, was starting to nod off.. I use to watch ever race from start to finish and never miss anything to do with the V8's not now.. At least the mrs is happy now I will actually do stuff during races now..

[brad]

nice with 4 laps to go they go to an ad break...

[HRT-222]

Does anyone know what those little yellow bits of tape are that are in the top right corner of the windscreen, just under the HOLDEN banner for example, it seems that every car has them on...

[m-kart]

Does anyone know what those little yellow bits of tape are that are in the top right corner of the windscreen, just under the HOLDEN banner for example, it seems that every car has them on...

They are the tabs for the windscreen tear-off layers. They are fluoro yellow to make it easier for the team to find them during a stop.

They have been legal since last year, and it seems all teams are using them now!

[HRT-222]

They are the tabs for the windscreen tear-off layers. They are fluoro yellow to make it easier for the team to find them during a stop.

They have been legal since last year, and it seems all teams are using them now!

Oh ofcourse, i heard of that, thanks for clearing that up

[gab73]

Wheres all the "VE is a POS" knockers now. Like i said 12 months ago 888 do a better job than everyone else.
The head of Holden Motorsport is a tool, he was calling for parity 12 months ago, nothing wrong with the VE is there.
Imagine 888 hadn't gone to Holden the parity word would be the flavour of the month again.

[GLENN L]

during the channel 7 telecast today when crompo was going thru hrts rooms out the back did i notice neil burns there, does he build engines for walkinshaw performance?

[GLENN L]

Oh now thats a depressing start to the season for us HRT fans:( but at least a holden won i guess (oh yeah i know its just panels and badges oh and the chev motor:rolleyes:) Man just goes to show that all the other teams have a lot more to learn from triple 8 be it in a ford or holden they are showing the level of professionalism they have is way out in front of the rest of the field. As federer is to tennis and tiger to golf.
kelly racing will be ok for next meeting now they have pics of 888 rr end.:D

[barnart]

It was interesting to listen to Graith stating he had good car pace, but not as good 888. Its great to see HRT may not be the No1 Holden team this year. Plus I think there are some very strong Ford teams this year.

[fordmad17]

I didn't watch all of it, was starting to nod off.. I use to watch ever race from start to finish and never miss anything to do with the V8's not now.. At least the mrs is happy now I will actually do stuff during races now..

I'm the same I couldn't give two hoots now if i miss it.

[bjsti7]

could never miss seeing it I love it, its always keg and beer time when its on, no distractions !!!!!!!

[GOBBO]

Wheres all the "VE is a POS" knockers now. Like i said 12 months ago 888 do a better job than everyone else.
The head of Holden Motorsport is a tool, he was calling for parity 12 months ago, nothing wrong with the VE is there.
Imagine 888 hadn't gone to Holden the parity word would be the flavour of the month again.

to true mate to true its all gone very quiet on that front hasnt it

[ratster70]

Never cried parity here after all HRT did win the overall teams title and 2 and 3rd in drivers so no real reason to complain and as i have posted earlier i just think T8 is just way more ahead of the rest of the teams at present and it shows in their results:(

[ratster70]

Oh and then lets not forget a certain driver that is just at the very top of his game at the moment 1 jamie Whincup im thinkin hed just about get the old datto 120y round quicker than most of the drivers :plol

[edy]

i just think T8 is just way more ahead of the rest of the teams at present and it shows in their results:(

when i saw you at the QR Test Day, did you honestly think T8 would achieve this result?

I was being realistic to think that they would need time. Never in my dreams did I expect JW to get 300 points!! :D:D:D and I hope it continues with the JW and CL train!!

[ratster70]

i thought they would be competitive but yeah to have both cars right at the front,pole position etc just an amazing result for them did not expect that much:rolleyes:

[group C]

well this weekend proves that there really is no holden/ford anymore imo.
888 are just a great team with great engineers,we will always go for holden/ford as its the australian waybut bar panels and engine(which are controlled to a certain degree )both cars are pretty much the same.
I dont like Whincup personaly but he is doing a great job and HRT,GRM etc have to lift there game.
Would love to see Lowndes win another championship!!!

[DJRTOM18]

Interesting to see some of the higher performance driver to not rate a mention, I think Johno Webbs drive in the #19 Falcon was awesome, also to see all 3 DJR Falcon's in the top 15 was splendid. Kudos to T8, they're simply the best in the business - enough said!

I agree with you Brad, 3 JBR/DJR cars all finished in top ten for the weekend. I think that Jonno Webb has the rockie of the year wrapped up this year.

[david5]

wonder what the go was with 888 changing the grill in Whincups car between qualify and racing, they did it both days, any chance it's a different airflow device for qualy...

Seeing they pick up the airflow out of the spliter I don't think so

well this weekend proves that there really is no holden/ford anymore imo.


Never a truer word spoken. I remember Skaifey saying back when HRT won all those Championships that he thought they could build a competetive AU, because HRT were doing a better job. Now 888 are the class of the field & the cars aren't different enough.

[david5]

I like GT for getting a low score too.:D

[VXfan]

Nice 'overtaking move' by Todd on Gaunt.Who's the 'peanut' now Toddy?:p
A few observations from this weekend -
1)Steven Richards should not be a factory driver
2)888 are a real class act,sensational performance especially JW
3)The Holden v Ford thing is alive and well thanks to some great drives from the blue boys
4)Simon McNamara is a tool
5)The cars look awesome under lights
6)Paul Morris still makes me laugh (some of u blokes take him way too seriously)
7)We don't need tyre bundles!
8)Arab countries don't particularly love motorsport

[cooper1117]

1)Steven Richards should not be a factory driver

8)Arab countries don't particularly love motorsport


1) I still can not get the Tasmanian round out of my head from last year, that round sealed your statement for me. No wonder FPR had trouble getting sponsors for his car, everyone realised there would be no coverage of the car down the back of the field.

8) Who cares LOL, but they build great facilities. Did anyone see the Sunday footage of Crompton going through the massive pit garage, out the back to the private team vilas out the back, downstairs a massive set up for the teams data analysts, private kitchen, eating area for the team and assumed sleeping quarters upstairs on the second level. Then stroll out the back of the vila and the marina with the boats parked up right next to you. Fantastic facilities for the teams.

[Leigh]

Nice 'overtaking move' by Todd on Gaunt.Who's the 'peanut' now Toddy?:p
A few observations from this weekend -

8)Arab countries don't particularly love motorsport

So how do you come to that conclusion?

[VXfan]

So how do you come to that conclusion?
The lack of people in the stands!

[AmonFan]

The lack of people in the stands!

Thats for the V8's, they're national categories seem to get a bit of a following.. Remembering they have Drag Racing, Rallying, Karting, plus they're Radical, Chev Supercars and the UAE GT series....

[k1w1taxi]

Another observation, Skaifey needs to lift his game PDQ as it was game set and match to Larko over the weekend :D :D

Cheers
Lee

[DJRTOM18]

Must agree, the cars look great underlights, but what about the blue exhaust flames that are clearly visable on TV, for that reason alone makes me want to see more night racing. Overall, I dont care how full the stands are, just great to see our premier category recognised international.

[<Jonboy>]

Hopefully Patrizi can pick up the pace and improve from P7.....
who? :p or are you referring to the Chev series?

[malscar]

8)Arab countries don't particularly love motorsport

And yet Adu Dhabi has a round of the WRC for 2011, which requires that they build roads in the desert to run!!!! They may not love motorsport, but they are sure spending bucket loads of money to buy events.

[GT40]

Have to agree on the comments re Steven Richards - last year it seemed he was running & qualifying further back while Winterbottom was a lot closer to the front.
Didn't see or hear much about him apart from the new sponsorship this weekend.
Seems most team cars run & qualify a lot closer together than FPR - Is Frosty and his car that much better or is it time for Steven to step down? (Hope not as I like the guy but he needs to do more to back-up Frosty I feel)

[AmonFan]

who? :p or are you referring to the Chev series?

The Chev Series ;)

[sleepy]

Just an observation but that arab track appears to have had more money spent on it than all our aussie tracks put together the more races that go overseas the more events we will lose hear until hopefully one day it will go offshore altogether, and then we can get back to racing whats on the showroom floor like we used to..

[Chev_350]

Just an observation but that arab track appears to have had more money spent on it than all our aussie tracks put together the more races that go overseas the more events we will lose hear until hopefully one day it will go offshore altogether, and then we can get back to racing whats on the showroom floor like we used to..

Why do people keep saying this????
There already is production car racing, if thats what "the people" want to see, than it would be more popular than what it is.

[sleepy]

Why do people keep saying this????
There already is production car racing, if thats what "the people" want to see, than it would be more popular than what it is.Yes why do people keep saying this there must be a reason. At the moment its the v8 supercars doing the rounds of what was called the atcc including bathurst and sandown, i suppose a lot of the young kids out there dont know what its like to watch a full field at bathurst all running in there different categories and they havent seen the 4cyl they drive around in get up into the top ten by the end of the race and see some of the others fall by the wayside as weaknesses in their drivelines etc show up. The v8 supercars are marketed very hard (clothes etc) this may be the reason they are so popular but realistically they are just a part of the evolution of australian motorsport (which is starting to look like US motorsport only with corners) So where do we go next .

[PeteWalsh]

I think the V8's are too slow to be racing on new F1 tracks like Abu and Bahrain - they tend to look like lost taxis crawling around a car park.

Love the look of night racing, but really it should happen locally.

Silly mistake by Winterbottom gridding up for race 1. Would've been good to see a Ford win the first race and put the silly/arrogant 'Holden will win all' to bed.

Great qualifying lap by Whincup for race 1.

Tander's penalty in race 1 seemed way over the top given the circumstance, new track etc. Certainly totaled his weekend effectively.

Surprised at how crappy some of the cars looked on track. The HRT cars stand out though, for looking great on track.

Triple 8, what a spanking!

Once the eye candy of night racing wore off I didn't bother watching all of race 1, didn't watch any of race 2.

Just Bahrain to put up with then the season can get started in Adelaide.

[Chev_350]

Yes why do people keep saying this there must be a reason. At the moment its the v8 supercars doing the rounds of what was called the atcc including bathurst and sandown, i suppose a lot of the young kids out there dont know what its like to watch a full field at bathurst all running in there different categories and they havent seen the 4cyl they drive around in get up into the top ten by the end of the race and see some of the others fall by the wayside as weaknesses in their drivelines etc show up. The v8 supercars are marketed very hard (clothes etc) this may be the reason they are so popular but realistically they are just a part of the evolution of australian motorsport (which is starting to look like US motorsport only with corners) So where do we go next .

Okay, here is my 2cs, I am relatively young, 23, so yes I grew up with 5.0l championship do not remeber the days of the different classes all that well.

No the reason why I ask, why does everyone wish for the days of past, is because well events which include multi-class racing to actually exist today.....they raced at the Bathurst 12 hour not all that long ago.

The Australian Touring Car category will not go back to production based racing, I can pretty much guarentee it, you are right, V8 Supercars is part of the Australian Motorsport Evolution....key word Evolution, they wont go backwards,

[Leigh]

I remember watching the Ford 1-2 in 77...never liked the mobile chicanes back then, don't want to see them revert back to those days either!

Hate the way some people use the word "all" so liberally. I know plenty of old-timers that hated the multi-category races, I also know a few who loved them...each to there own, but please don't speak **** and attribute everybody to your and your mates opinions:rolleyes:

[louieate8ate]

whys that there still plenty of fords showing promise its only been one raceThats 2 down!!

[Chev_350]

Hate the way some people use the word "all" so liberally. I know plenty of old-timers that hated the multi-category races, I also know a few who loved them...each to there own, but please don't speak **** and attribute everybody to your and your mates opinions:rolleyes:

:( thats not directed at me is it?

[superfly]

Silly mistake by Winterbottom gridding up for race 1. Would've been good to see a Ford win the first race and put the silly/arrogant 'Holden will win all' to bed.


Holden only won as they bought the best team in the business.

As much as I dislike Holden, I'm glad Whincup won and I hope he goes on to win the championship once again. He knows how to drive, that's for sure.

[Brock 05]

wonder what the go was with 888 changing the grill in Whincups car between qualify and racing, they did it both days, any chance it's a different airflow device for qualy...
No changing of the grill there wazza, it's just because you can't get enough light in at the right angles under light to be able to see the orange paint on tv. ;)

[david5]

I would like to see CAMS strip the V8s of the ATCC status & let them race for another title. Give the ATCC status to the production car category & let the two exist side by side, then those who want to watch one or the other can, or you can support both.

Live & let live. See I'm all laid back.

[Chev_350]

I would like to see CAMS strip the V8s of the ATCC status & let them race for another title. Give the ATCC status to the production car category & let the two exist side by side, then those who want to watch one or the other can, or you can support both.

Live & let live. See I'm all laid back.\

So people would only watch the production car category because it is given the ATCC moniker?

[david5]

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So people would only watch the production car category because it is given the ATCC moniker?

No, my reasoning is that the V8SCs are no longer touring cars, they are purpose built race cars, production cars are closer to what the ATCC has been about for the majority of it's 50 years.

Since the V8s are no longer based on standard cars, ie altered chassis, purpose built race engines, composite panels, they should not be classed as Touring cars. I personally haven't liked the rules since project blueprint, I can see some of the logic in it however.

There is a growing interest in production car racing & if it was promoted some more & had widespread TV coverage I feel it would gather a good fan base.

[rex555]

Was it just me or did the Frosty car look like the Team Betta Electrical Falcons of days done by?

Great circuit but the racing was as dull as the worst rounds here. What overtaking was there outside of the pits? A couple of brilliant moves on turn 2 (?) and that was about it.

Happy to see Whincup and Lowndes fast out of the box and a couple of others stepping up to the plate. Paul Morris just confirmed to me that he shouldn't have a license for a shopping trolley.

[Leigh]

I would like to see CAMS strip the V8s of the ATCC status & let them race for another title. Give the ATCC status to the production car category & let the two exist side by side, then those who want to watch one or the other can, or you can support both.

Live & let live. See I'm all laid back.

This is another of these "things" that crop up from time-to-time that I just can't seem to find anything to back your statement.

The rule book states quite clearly that the person with the most points is awarded the VCS Champions trophy, nothing about ATCC...so how can CAMS strip something from V8SA that they don't have?

If CAMS award such a trophy to the VCS Champion, then your gripe is with CAMS and you should take it up with them (your statement is made as "punishing V8SA"). While your interpretation of what constitutes a "Touring Car" is but one opinion (shared by many), many others consider a touring car to be a race car with a roof that is based on a road car...could it be that CAMS has always awarded the ATCC to the winner of a category that race such cars but fits other criteria...like income and sustainability?

[david5]

This is another of these "things" that crop up from time-to-time that I just can't seem to find anything to back your statement.

The rule book states quite clearly that the person with the most points is awarded the VCS Champions trophy, nothing about ATCC...so how can CAMS strip something from V8SA that they don't have?

If CAMS award such a trophy to the VCS Champion, then your gripe is with CAMS and you should take it up with them (your statement is made as "punishing V8SA"). While your interpretation of what constitutes a "Touring Car" is but one opinion (shared by many), many others consider a touring car to be a race car with a roof that is based on a road car...could it be that CAMS has always awarded the ATCC to the winner of a category that race such cars but fits other criteria...like income and sustainability?

You need to look harder Leigh, the winner each year is awarded the ATCC trophy as well.

Nothing about punishing V8SC, I just feel it's an innappropriate award for the category.

I thought this was a forum for speaking about motor racing, thats why I'm discussing it here.

Should we ask PCR, Tasman, PWR et al about sustainability. There is a production car class, I just feel it is a more appropriate recipient, you don't have to agree.:)

[k1w1taxi]

Okay, here is my 2cs, I am relatively young, 23, so yes I grew up with 5.0l championship do not remeber the days of the different classes all that well.

No the reason why I ask, why does everyone wish for the days of past, is because well events which include multi-class racing to actually exist today.....they raced at the Bathurst 12 hour not all that long ago.

The Australian Touring Car category will not go back to production based racing, I can pretty much guarentee it, you are right, V8 Supercars is part of the Australian Motorsport Evolution....key word Evolution, they wont go backwards,

Oh shut up! What would a 23 yo know....

Besides young fullas aren't supposed to be able to think that clearly about these things. :D

Cheers
Lee
(BTW While I don't like things that much as they are I agree that a return to the past is not the answer)

[inter]

is next weeks race under lights?

[Leigh]

You need to look harder Leigh, the winner each year is awarded the ATCC trophy as well.

Nothing about punishing V8SC, I just feel it's an innappropriate award for the category.

I thought this was a forum for speaking about motor racing, thats why I'm discussing it here.

Should we ask PCR, Tasman, PWR et al about sustainability. There is a production car class, I just feel it is a more appropriate recipient, you don't have to agree.:)

Not what I said:p

Your statement implied that V8SA awarded the ATCC (i.e. how can CAMS "strip" an award from somebody that they don't control?). I have never been able to find anything to back that statement.

V8SA don't award the ATCC, CAMS do...

I suppose CAMS award it according to its rules, which I guess V8SA must meet (udderwise they wouldna get it:p). Should CAMS change rules that have existed for so long? Have these rules for awarding the ATCC changed?

Why does it need to go to a production class...which is a different beasty today than production car classes of the past!

I agree with you on one thing David, this IS a discussion forum, and I'll discuss whatever topic I so choose, so please don't give me the "this is a discussion forum" rubbish in some vain attempt to silence me just because I have a different view...

[david5]

I would like to see CAMS strip the V8s of the ATCC status & let them race for another title.


Sorry if that sentance implied something about V8SC awarding the ATCC trophy.




I agree with you on one thing David, this IS a discussion forum, and I'll discuss whatever topic I so choose, so please don't give me the "this is a discussion forum" rubbish in some vain attempt to silence me just because I have a different view...

My reference to this being a discussion forum was in reply to you saying I had a gripe with CAMS & should take it up with them.

I would never try and silence you & for the most part agree with your posts, I already stated you didn't have to agree with mine.:)

[AmonFan]

I know you are probably upset now David ;) i have some sad news.. no McLeod for Round 1 of the ASSC.... Still about 26 cars though ;) They are on the comeback :p

[the_goldie]

What is with drivers/teams who had a bad round saying don't count us out yet. It is only the first round for god's sake! If your season is gone after 1 bad round then surely there must be something wrong with the way the points are allocated.

Imagine your football team etc, saying after a first round loss, oh well boys let's look forward to next year cause we are last after 1 round...

[bortall]

Apart from a handful of cars the season is over, probably before it even started.

Same as every other year recently!!

[VXfan]

surely there must be something wrong with the way the points are allocated.

has been for years.I remember playing the V8Supercar PS2 game (2003 I think) and winning every race bar 1 which I dnf'd and still only got 2nd overall!:D
Cheers,
Tony.

[Chev_350]

What is with drivers/teams who had a bad round saying don't count us out yet. It is only the first round for god's sake! If your season is gone after 1 bad round then surely there must be something wrong with the way the points are allocated.

Imagine your football team etc, saying after a first round loss, oh well boys let's look forward to next year cause we are last after 1 round...

Whincup took the lead in round one last year and never looked back,

[superfly]

Whincup took the lead in round one last year and never looked back,

True but in 2008 he took the early lead only to miss the round at Hamilton due to Kelly punting him into the wall which dropped him back to fourth. But he still came through to win the championship. He should've won in 07 as well.

The point system was worse in 04 when there was only like 3 points between first and second so it wasn't worth going for the win. And then there was that year when only the first 16 cars got points. Can't remember when that was.

At least with the current point system, a crap performance can still get you some points. Like Tander still got 27 points.

[the_goldie]

Tony, yeah I agree about the points, it is a pretty scary outlook and again I think the points should be looked at. Why is there a need to have 150 points per race or round or whatever they call them these days?! It is so confusing as well.

Sure award the top 3 with a gap above the rest and also I think if you get Pole you should get a bonus points.

Maybe if you come 1st you get 35 points and then everyone behind you gets 30, 29, 28, 27, 26 etc... Although only separates drivers 2-n by 1 point and then everyone will say, well why race for 1 point?!

Otherwise how about something 'similar' to the F1 system, except it rewards the top 3 more.
1st-15
2nd-12
3rd-9
4th-7
5th-6
6th-5
7th-4
8th-3
9th-2
10th-1

If you get pole in this system you get 1 extra point. Sure it only rewards the top 10 but really if you are out of the 10 anyway does anybody care???

Imagine the teams that are possible championship winners and there is only really a handful in that group and they have 1 bad round and *kapoof* season over... I just think the points need to be looked at - again!

True Chev_350 and it might be the same again this year, 888 and Whincup are such a strong force.

[bortall]

An easier points system - like the 2010 F1 system:

The points system has already been altered for 2010 so that the top ten, rather than the top eight finishers score at each Grand Prix. This is due to the expansion of the grid to 13 teams. Now the allocation of points is set to be changed to encourage drivers to race to win, according to the following scale.

1st: 25 points (previously 25)
2nd: 18 points (previously 20)
3rd: 15 points (previously 15)
4th: 12 points (previously 10)
5th: 10 points (previously 8)
6th: 8 points (previously 6)
7th: 6 points (previously 5)
8th: 4 points (previously 3)
9th: 2 points (previously 2)
10th: 1 point (previously 1)

And not 50000 points for coming 29th all season long.

[AmonFan]

I always like one of the old kart point system's. It was very easy to calculate points, even when racing ;)

1st= 0 points, 2nd = 2 points 3rd = 3 points and so on... In the case of the V8s with 29 starters, if you DNF you get 29 points....

Its downfall would be many are used to the idea of the most points wins ;)

[wayno]

Nothing wrong with the Moto GP system like I've been saying for years. :rolleyes:

[the_goldie]

Nothing wrong with the Moto GP system like I've been saying for years. :rolleyes:

That would work :) Wish the V8s would adopt this system, certainly easier than the system now!

[Kashmir]

He should've won in 07 as well.

Why? GT was clearly the better driver that year.

[mick xu1]

Why? GT was clearly the better driver that year.

Totally agree their, GT was the one that won the most races that year

[Oh Five]

What does the moto system look like?

[gab73]

Why? GT was clearly the better driver that year.
GT stumbled to the championship, JW wasn't any better, both tried there hardest to throw away the championship.

[AmonFan]

What does the moto system look like?

Im gonna screw this up, lol but its similar to some Aus categories over the years...

1st 25, 2nd 20, 3rd 16, 4th 13, 5th 11, 6th 10, 7th 9, 8th 8, 9th 7, 10th 6, 11th 5, 12th 4, 13th 3, 14th 2, 15th 1

[bortall]

Even the Aus F3 feature race system:
1st 20, 2nd 15, 3rd 12, 4th 10, 5th 8, 6th 6, 7th 4, 8th 3, 9th 2, 10th 1

[superfly]

Why? GT was clearly the better driver that year.

He only won by 2 points. Can't be that much of a better driver. It's like Kelly winning the year prior.

Anyway that's just my view on it, you don't have to agree with me :cool:

[louieate8ate]

He only won by 2 points. Can't be that much of a better driver. It's like Kelly winning the year prior.

Anyway that's just my view on it, you don't have to agree with me :cool:From memory,G.T. only won the title because Todd Kelly beat J.W. in the final race.

[Oh Five]

Does it really matter now??

[brchi17]

agreed Bruce, I think it's time we moved on from all this woulda, shoulda, coulda, as all it seems to do is dig up old arguments and I fail to see how that could be productive to the forum.

[ratster70]

Agreed its history now so get over it is all i got to say ;) and accept it for what it is

[Oh Five]

Besides.....its in the wrong thread:p :rolleyes:

[ratster70]

Besides.....its in the wrong thread:p :rolleyes:


Yeah geeez i hate people who post about past results in the wrong thread :p:D

[malscar]

Yeah geeez i hate people who post about past results in the wrong thread :p:D

This belongs in the 'What cheeses you off' thread.:D