Biante 2009 Jim Richards Falcon Sprint

[smythy17]

Hey has anyone got this one. I must say i was very disappointed with it. Hey i know it was cheap but Biante has had such a great run with their quality lately and have really picked up their game but this model i thought was gonna be something special. The code 3 version that one of our members did a while back was so much better. I've turned a few CC models down in the past 18 months but i gotta say that this is the first time ever that i've turned down a Biante and kept my money in my pocket.:thumbsdown:

[return of the jawa]

i agree what is up with the cheap looking stickers on the car,apart from them its a nice car.

[El Cheapo]

Can't have too high an expectation on a car made by Road Signature or whatever/whoever made the original mould. Same arguement with the 1991 and 1992 Bathurst Winners, which used the ancient Kyosho mould.

[biante1921]

A bit off topic as i have not seen one yet but does anyone know what the 2009 Historics winner model will be?

[lachlan]

Same arguement with the 1991 and 1992 Bathurst Winners, which used the ancient Kyosho mould.

Really?

When the 91', 92' Bathurst cars came out they were the ants pants...

Chris also told us not to ecpect the Falcon to be a top notch model.

[El Cheapo]

Really?

When the 91', 92' Bathurst cars came out they were the ants pants...

I'm too young to realise whether that's a good or bad thing....I assume bad because....they're a terrible diecast by todays standards :rolleyes: Compared with everything else Kyosho and Biante.

Back in 91 (ish) when the mould was released, I'm sure it was one of the very best at the time.

But baaaack on topic.

[wazza002]

A bit off topic as i have not seen one yet but does anyone know what the 2009 Historics winner model will be?


Thanks to MOTIV8 I borrowed this pic;)

This is Jim richards car the ford Number 2 biante1921 ok mate ;)
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x207/Motiv8or/M odels/IMG_0168.jpg

[MOTIV8]

Although there is a few differences between my code 3 and the production model, I am far happier with the sticker application on my version as there are quite a few stickers lifting off on the bought one as well as the quality of printing (the other spare one that I bought has the same issue)

[brchi17]

Am finding the same problem with mine starting to do that too, I'm thinking if the race car had it's rear 1/4 decals applied like mine are they last until the old girl hits 60kph and they'd either act like a massive air brake or simply be blown off....

Such a shame really as it had the potential to be a very nice looking model, what a waste...

[My Element]

my windscreen banner is lifting off in on the corners

[pitcrew]

my windscreen banner is lifting off in on the corners
I saw some today in my local shop and all of them had the banners on the windscreen coming off on the ends.

[MOTIV8]

Much the same for the Shannons logo on the rear 1/4's, windscreen banner and the tow sticker on rear bar. :(

[brchi17]

my windscreen banner is lifting off in on the corners

also be careful of the TOW sticker on the rear bar ;)

[Andrew]

A recall on the cards by Biante? ;)

[malscar]

Sounds like I may have some work when I get one.

[brchi17]

the decals certainly look like a Friday build Mal...the Shannons on the rear 1/4's are a real shocker. They didn't even attempt to mould it to the shape of the car, it's simply been slapped onto the higher parts of the vehicle with fresh air left to hold on the grooves in the panels :eek: !!!

[ratster70]

Well heres my rant about this big let down. Yes i still bought the car because when i pre order a car from my local i honour it but i must say Biante this is absolute crap yes ok its only $165 bills but that is no excuse. Alot of posts go on about the decal quality and yes i totally agree peeling off and very substandard for biante's name to be put to. All the models in my local had this and also the bumper bars arent painted properly look at your ends guys its a yellow base plastic colour and under the bonnet isnt painted properly. The chrome pinstriping is very ordinary i reckon my 13 year old daughter could of applied them to the model better. The green striping down the sides of the car doesnt line up at all and to be brutally honest i think match box cars quality is way better than this release. I am not going to apologise for my rant as for a Biante model this is a very unnacceptable below par model and i hope the biante biased members get behind this as they certainly bag the crap out of CC releases when they are below par:mad: I for one am not happy Jan

[malscar]

Rat, I will if it deserves it. Have not been told yet but will probably be picking mine up this weekend. He only got the '09 winner on Monday. Like you I will honour my pre-order.

[rayman]

I don't know how any of you can say that $165 is cheap for a nasty Road Signature mould. It is way overpriced and for a so called quality Model Manufacturer to commission such rubbish and dish it up to us is an insult. Biante's track record of using other manufacturers mould's up to this point have been acceptable, but it would be a huge mistake to continue to use below par, cheap moulds in the future, regardless if a particular driver's car can be made from it. This is a blatant cash grab and nothing more.

[00lowndes]

Yer I agree with all that has been said. I too honoured my pre-order. But not happy with the poor quality of this model. Lets hope the Bowe Mustang isn't this bad when it comes out. If so that will be the end for this type of product for me. and probable the end for that series of car being produced as no one will buy this low satandrd product.

On the other hand it looks good in my historic cabinet with all the other cars. So I will just have to stand back to admire this model

[My Element]

also be careful of the TOW sticker on the rear bar ;)
Ive stuck it in a box with some others and tried to forget about it. Its not that i dont like the car, its because i dont like the way things are peeling off it already and would rather forget about it

[Holdennumber1]

So did Biante use a road signatures mould and do the rest of the work themselves or was it fully made by road signature and boxed up as a Biante?
Because aren't those Road Signature models worth around $80-$100 each brand new?
If so, that makes the biante one a bit of a rip off then.:(
Anyway, after all this feedback, I won't be reccommending them to my uncle and cousin who would be quite interested one otherwise.

[My Element]

So did Biante use a road signatures mould and do the rest of the work themselves or was it fully made by road signature and boxed up as a Biante?
Because aren't those Road Signature models worth around $80-$100 each brand new?
If so, that makes the biante one a bit of a rip off then.:(
Anyway, after all this feedback, I won't be reccommending them to my uncle and cousin who would be quite interested one otherwise.

comes with a signed COA though, thats the good part

[rayman]

So did Biante use a road signatures mould and do the rest of the work themselves or was it fully made by road signature and boxed up as a Biante?
Because aren't those Road Signature models worth around $80-$100 each brand new?
If so, that makes the biante one a bit of a rip off then.:(
Anyway, after all this feedback, I won't be reccommending them to my uncle and cousin who would be quite interested one otherwise.
It would have been commissioned by Biante and made entirely by the maker of RS. 80-100. HUH funny one. Try $45.00 at the dearer hobby shops.

[Holdennumber1]

It would have been commissioned by Biante and made entirely by the maker of RS. 80-100. HUH funny one. Try $45.00 at the dearer hobby shops. Cheers, that probably explains its poor quality then.:(
And if they're worth $45, it means I got ripped off because I paid $80 for one of mine back when I knew nothing about diecasts.

I really can't even see the point why Biante woud bother with an underdetailed overpriced model when they've released some little gems over the last 12 months (Brock VL's, R32 Skylines, RX7's). Might aswell do a good jo or not do it at all.

[AmonFan]

I really can't even see the point why Biante woud bother with an underdetailed overpriced model when they've released some little gems over the last 12 months (Brock VL's, R32 Skylines, RX7's). Might aswell do a good jo or not do it at all.

Well who here put their name down for the Bill Meeke and Roger Oliver versions?

[plumpton]

I agree with rayman,$45 is the average price for RS models,(I think that short for rat s**t). $60 is top price. Also someone earlier bagged Kyosho,I dont know why, their detail is now as good as ,or better than the big two Aussie producers.Check out Kyoshos Austin Healey 3000 and Ferrari 250GTO etc

[Kashmir]

Sounds very disappointing, sounds like something CC would do...I can't belive it was biante:eek:

[Buffalo]

Well who here put their name down for the Bill Meeke and Roger Oliver versions?

Me please !!!:D .... AND one of Frank Gardner's - Alan Mann prepared Sprint - AND one of Bo Ljungfeldt's - 1964 Monte Carlo rally Falcon Sprints !!!

Am sad about the QC problems with Jim's Sprint - I was really looking forward to getting one and am now in two minds .... probably will anyway !

[El Cheapo]

I agree with rayman,$45 is the average price for RS models,(I think that short for rat s**t). $60 is top price. Also someone earlier bagged Kyosho,I dont know why, their detail is now as good as ,or better than the big two Aussie producers.Check out Kyoshos Austin Healey 3000 and Ferrari 250GTO etc

Sorry to go off topic, but that was me. Their 1991 Nissan Skyline R32 mould is very off in terms of shape and the detail is average.

Nothing against Kyosho at all. The mould was made in 1991, which is the problem with it. It's way behind the times and looks like it was stepped on at some stage :laugh4: As I said, I assume it was very good when it was first released.

Their newer R32 mould is the best R32 1:18 money can buy. Better than the AA equivalent.

[Masterblaster]

Yer I agree with all that has been said. I too honoured my pre-order. But not happy with the poor quality of this model. Lets hope the Bowe Mustang isn't this bad when it comes out. If so that will be the end for this type of product for me. and probable the end for that series of car being produced as no one will buy this low satandrd product.

On the other hand it looks good in my historic cabinet with all the other cars. So I will just have to stand back to admire this model

So . . after reading all these posts . . . how far do you plan to "stand back to admire this model'??? . . . the Moon? :p

[minh427]

I saw this model in a shop yesterday and immediately thought this cannot be from Biante. The box seems more flimsy than Other Biante window boxes.

[david5]

Well, I've just seen one & looks fine for the money, low volume, signed, you'll all be having a whinge in two years when you cant get one. Reminds me of a certain Skyline.

I don't think we will encourage Binte to do anything a little less mainstream in the future with these comments.

[lachlan]

I just had a look at one also, and well..... What a heap of garbage. I thought you guys might of been a bit harsh but it really is a bad model. Every one I looked at the window banner was coming off and the decals look like big stickers that you peel off and stick on.
I don't know why this model was made to this level, after all the great models out of late this really is a step backwards.

[Hey Charger]

I had mine pre-ordered and was expecting something decent but not outstanding for the price.

Picked it up an 1hour ago...felt like saying "Nah don't want it" but I couldn't as I didn't want to burn any future favours for hard to get models.

...stickers peeling, it looked nasty cheap etc having paid what I did, it hurts that I know it'll be getting dumped in around the $70 to $85 mark....

Biante- this should have been a $80 to $100 model to begin with.

NOT HAPPY JAN

Cheers

[00lowndes]

So . . after reading all these posts . . . how far do you plan to "stand back to admire this model'??? . . . the Moon? :p

Just the other end of my room will do. Its better than no model at all. So Still happy I got it. Just a little disappointed with the final outcome

[Garry]

I really can't understand why there is so much negatively over this model, yes, it's not up to the Biante standard, but we were advised of that fact on 25/1/10;

NEW RELEASES Post #2222

8hype, I can tell you that the moulds/packaging are more "basic" than you have come to expect from the V8 Supercars or the VL's for example, hence we are able to retail them for a lower price point.

Personally, I feel it is better to have an example in the cabinet than none at all.


As for the Biante v CC, come on guys give it a rest. There are always going to be mistakes, but remember, even the poorest of models have been known to become highly collectable.

[david5]

Spot on Garry

[My Element]

its not a Biante VS CC thing for me, its the fact the decals are coming off before I even got it home.

[Hey Charger]

I really can't understand why there is so much negatively over this model, yes, it's not up to the Biante standard, but we were advised of that fact on 25/1/10;

NEW RELEASES Post #2222



Personally, I feel it is better to have an example in the cabinet than none at all.




Basic mould yes fine i'm cool with that and expected it as such due to the advertised price ....but peeling off stickers (all had this fault) or cheaply applied stickers...if we were in the 90's no issues....that doesnt work for the quoted price especially when for $190 you get some awesome stuff...therefore, in my honest view it really should have been in the $100 range.

Cheers

[Garry]

I'm not here to justify the model, however, with only 804 pieces there was no way in this world that a new mould would have been made for this model.

As for the stickers......................, yes, poor QC.

[CraigD]

I look at this model every time i go to my local diecaste shop.Its not the most spectacular model out.

[Kashmir]

Well, I've just seen one & looks fine for the money, low volume, signed, you'll all be having a whinge in two years when you cant get one.

So peeling decals are fine are they?, for a $160 model?:rolleyes:

[rayman]

So peeling decals are fine are they?, for a $160 model?:rolleyes:
Correction: $45 model, that they dare to charge $160 for.

[VE II]

So peeling decals are fine are they?, for a $160 model?:rolleyes:

it was only about 12-18 months ago that $145 would buy you at RRP, a biante VK group A in silver or white... which is one of biante's best models ever!

[wazza002]

Well I got mine J Richards car as well today I happy just to stick it down again if need be, but david is right if you don't have one you will miss out I think, you can re-decal it if need be LoL;):D But yes it bad to see a biante good name on something like this but thats up to them, to say if they do this again I can not say

[plumpton]

The silence from Biante is deafening.Good to see they stand by their product. As for David5 comment that in "two years time you wont be able to find one",thats probably right, they will have all fallen apart.

[Chris Roche]

I have heard and read all the post about this car. We told you from the outset that this wouldn’t be one of our best cars.

But what have we given you – limited 804 pieces, Jim Richards Falcon Sprint with a COA.

Isn’t this what you have been after, limited numbers! Different cars to fill those spots in your collection!

This was not our mould as you know; we spend vast money to turn the road version of this car into a race car that we supplied. That cost of tooling and mould was over 50% of the cost of this car! At least we are making changes to moulds!

Can tell you some things that will change:
Ø When you come asking for one off items like this, be prepared for the answer of NO
Ø Maybe we will continue to do one off to fill those needed spots in collections, but will remove the brand Biante from the box! Then I will have to listen to you whinge again for that as well!

We are not 100% happy with this either, but its a good model to fill those spots within your collection. We have not forced you to buy the car, or any others if you don’t like it!

We have provided a very open forum to view your points, either good, bad or in different on the business and other topics. We don’t delete any of your threads if they are bad about the business, maybe I should start! Is that what you want!

I have taken insult to Plumpton post, reason for this, is the silence will be great when we turn off the forum! Plumpton is that what you want!
At least we are trying to communicate to you via this forum.

Well that my whinge for today!

Have a lovely day!

[Brasha]

Well said Chris.

Some people are never happy.

Its damned if you do and damned if you dont.

In my opinion, without pointing fingers, there are some members who have become a little to "comfortable" on this forum.

"You don't bite the hand that feeds you"

[Leigh]

...and that is a very unprofessional response Chris.

The positives I take from your post are:

Biante were unhappy
Biante have spent a lot of money adjusting the mould to be representative of the race car

Negatives from the post:

Threatening customers that you will withdraw the forum
Threatening customers to not make negative comments through deletion of threads (although you attempt to justify this with the "we listen" argument)...well doesn't appear you want to listen now...
Threatening customers with not doing one offs (well you obviously didn't make any money off it then?)


Not wanting to tell you how to run your business Chris, but you are starting to sound a lot like your competitors:

"We produced a piss poor scale model of what you asked for, now buy it or miss out"

And you are wrong on the "weren't forced to buy" argument too...the way Biante and Classics have a noose around the retailers necks with respect to pre-orders, if we didn't buy, because the model was poor, would you take them all back? If we don't buy what we ordered, the retailer gets stuck with them and all our orders get canned!

[singer]

Chris,

Please don't Tar us all with the same Brush.

As has been previously written, Biante advised that this was a one off special Commission using another Co mould.

Look at the posts like david5's

I applaud Biante's efforts on the Collectors behalf

Don't be disheartened by a few

Cheers

[Leigh]

Well said Chris.

Some people are never happy.

Its damned if you do and damned if you dont.

In my opinion, without pointing fingers, there are some members who have become a little to "comfortable" on this forum.

"You don't bite the hand that feeds you"

Amazingly though, many of the complaints are coming from people who usually praise all Biante models...

You also don't feed your customers poison...

[Brasha]

...and that is a very unprofessional response Chris.

The positives I take from your post are:

Biante were unhappy
Biante have spent a lot of money adjusting the mould to be representative of the race car
Negatives from the post:

Threatening customers that you will withdraw the forum
Threatening customers to not make negative comments through deletion of threads (although you attempt to justify this with the "we listen" argument)...well doesn't appear you want to listen now...
Threatening customers with not doing one offs (well you obviously didn't make any money off it then?)
Not wanting to tell you how to run your business Chris, but you are starting to sound a lot like your competitors:

"We produced a piss poor scale model of what you asked for, now buy it or miss out"

And you are wrong on the "weren't forced to buy" argument too...the way Biante and Classics have a noose around the retailers necks with respect to pre-orders, if we didn't buy, because the model was poor, would you take them all back? If we don't buy what we ordered, the retailer gets stuck with them and all our orders get canned!

:eek::eek: I dont want to start and arguement but that wasn't really called for:(

[Chris Roche]

Thanks Brasha. We have tried to provide what collectors have asked for.

I have no problems with posts if you have a problem and we will address it and fix it, but some of the comments are getting out of control!
Really, 5 pages of post, half of them from members that never have one positive to say, just negative! I happy to take the good with the bad, but if they want to post just negative, join another forum!

I thank those members that have sent me pm to say how much they appreciated the quality of the new V8 supercars!

Just so you know, 18th VE just arrived in, and will be in stores later next week!

[00lowndes]

Thanks for the responce Chris. I for one hope you don't stop the one offs. It is good that someone is listening to the collectors and filling the holes with some of our other great drivers and not just BROCK,MOFFAT and JOHNSON. This is only a small glitch in what has been a great year of models produced from BIANTE. and the great models to come. I hope you and your team keep up the great work.

[Chris Roche]

Leigh - I forgot to say that if I do remember, we do give retailers the chance to change prior to production! EB was annouced two years ago! Just resend to store! Sorry, must be someone else! I think most things have been like that of late!

But those stores that have been unhappy, we have spoken too and sorted each of them out! So wheres your comment coming from!

Singer - I know most / nearly all are not like that and I don't want it taken that way! Buts its always less then 1% of all things where people ruin it for others!

[MP4/22]

Chris i think some people are thinking that if biante have delayed the BFs by up to 8 months because of QC issues, why would you go backwards buy putting your name to something not up to Biante standards............. just a point not a opinion...

[Chris Roche]

MP4/22 - agree with your point, problem with that due to the lack of moulds available, getting anymore into this was nearly impossible without starting from scratch which we have done on the BF! Then we would never been able to make this model due to the fact that only 804 where made not 12,000!

So its a risk you take to make 804 or nothing! Maybe we should just not make items like this. Its easier for us as a business, as the same amount of works goes into making 300, 804 or 12,000!

[Leigh]

Leigh - I forgot to say that if I do remember, we do give retailers the chance to change prior to production! EB was annouced two years ago! Just resend to store! Sorry, must be someone else! I think most things have been like that of late!

But those stores that have been unhappy, we have spoken too and sorted each of them out! So wheres your comment coming from!

Singer - I know most / nearly all are not like that and I don't want it taken that way! Buts its always less then 1% of all things where people ruin it for others!

Hmmm, so what you are saying is that if you had have posted that the decals weren't that good, and people cancelled, then that's OK...(EB example)

Doesn't address people who turn up at their store and find a model far below the expectations? Yes it was raised that it was not up to Biantes normal standard. Where was the extent of the problems listed that allowed people to change their orders?

You are also out of line with your comments regarding the posters on this thread.

Being a business advisor, it is usually less than 1% of a business' activities that sink it...

We can all quote interesting facts from all over the place...

Brasha, If you want to be a suck, so be it...I thought Chris' comments were uncalled for, and I'll comment accordingly...you want to throw a handgrenade in my direction, I'll throw one back...your move...

[Chris Roche]

Leigh - think its time to move on! I am sure we all have things to do!

[Garry]

[QUOTE=Leigh;390354
And you are wrong on the "weren't forced to buy" argument too...the way Biante and Classics have a noose around the retailers necks with respect to pre-orders, if we didn't buy, because the model was poor, would you take them all back? If we don't buy what we ordered, the retailer gets stuck with them and all our orders get canned![/QUOTE]

Leigh, from a retailer's point of veiw, I am rather disappointed with your post suggesting that a customer would have ALL their pre-orders cancelled for failure to pickup a model. I base MY decisions on a LOYALTY basis.
As for the retailer getting stuck with models, in most cases these days, it is due to over ordering. For your info I only ordered the exact amount placed on pre-order, and those customers were made aware of the lesser quality.

To save you this trouble in the future, become a Wholesaler or a Retailer, or better still, a Manufacturer. Until you experieance the pitfalls and hassles involved, I don't think you a have the qualifications to make the comment you have posted.

As for this model, I have stated before, we were advised it was NOT to Biante's normal standards.

[Chris Roche]

Garry - many thanks for your post. I agree with you, who would want to be a retailer and then a manufacturer!

Can I say, who would have thought we would be making only 300 of some VE supercar! If we had not changed our business, those cars would never been made or you sit on 700 items in stock! At least we are trying to offer those cars that may not have been made prior!

Maybe not again.

Thanks,

[Hey Charger]

I have heard and read all the post about this car. We told you from the outset that this wouldn’t be one of our best cars.

But what have we given you – limited 804 pieces, Jim Richards Falcon Sprint with a COA.

Isn’t this what you have been after, limited numbers! Different cars to fill those spots in your collection!

This was not our mould as you know; we spend vast money to turn the road version of this car into a race car that we supplied. That cost of tooling and mould was over 50% of the cost of this car! At least we are making changes to moulds!

Can tell you some things that will change:
Ø When you come asking for one off items like this, be prepared for the answer of NO
Ø Maybe we will continue to do one off to fill those needed spots in collections, but will remove the brand Biante from the box! Then I will have to listen to you whinge again for that as well!

We are not 100% happy with this either, but its a good model to fill those spots within your collection. We have not forced you to buy the car, or any others if you don’t like it!

We have provided a very open forum to view your points, either good, bad or in different on the business and other topics. We don’t delete any of your threads if they are bad about the business, maybe I should start! Is that what you want!

I have taken insult to Plumpton post, reason for this, is the silence will be great when we turn off the forum! Plumpton is that what you want!
At least we are trying to communicate to you via this forum.

Well that my whinge for today!

Have a lovely day!


Chris,

Two sides of the coin there is always going to be the bad with the good and airing some of the bad, keeps things in perspective. Yes, it can get to be stupid, repetitive, ungrateful….but there is some constructive criticism that comes out of the forum that can only help produce better models in the future.

Yes it was made clear to us collectors that it wont be up there per Biante standards (I even accepted it as stated in my posts), BUT I did not expect it to be THAT bad for a Biante supported/distributed product, which in my honest opinion is not worth the $150 (fair enough you spent money on it making it a race version). I suppose the sight of peeling stickers and all really caught me off guard.

Further to that, if Biante weren't happy with the product, you must have known it at least a week in advance. That being the case, as other businesses have done, sometimes off their own volition or post public pressure, is to come out and warn us prior to shipping "guys this really didn't work out as we expected these are the issues A, B, C etc..sorry" & possibly a further step is possibly take a hit on price " look price will be X and not Y as advertised"

Its all about managing your brand expectation and this is where it's all coming from...my expectation of the Biante quality and to do the right thing for us collectors was for not what I expected for the price paid for that model unfortunately.

Sometimes we don’t have the choice of not buying it...In good faith I kept my obligation to my retailer to do the right thing by him and honour my pre-order and buy it

I applaud Biante to go and release unique and low production numbers, but I think in future hopefully Biante can use this experience that for the next such model/project if it doesn’t result in a satisfactory product you need to frank & open to us collectors. Yes we did bad on this but you know what guys, the next one that we’re planning to do, we'll make sure we do right by you and this won't happen again, we promise"

Cheers

[Leigh]

Leigh, from a retailer's point of veiw, I am rather disappointed with your post suggesting that a customer would have ALL their pre-orders cancelled for failure to pickup a model. I base MY decisions on a LOYALTY basis.
As for the retailer getting stuck with models, in most cases these days, it is due to over ordering. For your info I only ordered the exact amount placed on pre-order, and those customers were made aware of the lesser quality.

To save you this trouble in the future, become a Wholesaler or a Retailer, or better still, a Manufacturer. Until you experieance the pitfalls and hassles involved, I don't think you a have the qualifications to make the comment you have posted.

As for this model, I have stated before, we were advised it was NOT to Biante's normal standards.

Ha, ha, ha, ha...mate, I invest millions in business projects, I wouldn't be stupid enough to invest anything to become a retailer...and for evidence of that, please refer to our previous discussions on this forum!

Garry - many thanks for your post. I agree with you, who would want to be a retailer and then a manufacturer!

Can I say, who would have thought we would be making only 300 of some VE supercar! If we had not changed our business, those cars would never been made or you sit on 700 items in stock! At least we are trying to offer those cars that may not have been made prior!

Maybe not again.

Thanks,

And so combined with my comment above, you are saying that I'd also be mad to become a manufacturer...so being a highly successful business person in other areas, what prompted you Chris?

I and many others have praised you on the VE's...now you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater threatening to not make any low number models!

[Leigh]

Chris,

Two sides of the coin there is always going to be the bad with the good and airing some of the bad, keeps things in perspective. Yes, it can get to be stupid, repetitive, ungrateful….but there is some constructive criticism that comes out of the forum that can only help produce better models in the future.

Yes it was made clear to us collectors that it wont be up there per Biante standards (I even accepted it as stated in my posts), BUT I did not expect it to be THAT bad for a Biante supported/distributed product, which in my honest opinion is not worth the $150 (fair enough you spent money on it making it a race version). I suppose the sight of peeling stickers and all really caught me off guard.

Further to that, if Biante weren't happy with the product, you must have known it at least a week in advance. That being the case, as other businesses have done, sometimes off their own volition or post public pressure, is to come out and warn us prior to shipping "guys this really didn't work out as we expected these are the issues A, B, C etc..sorry" & possibly a further step is possibly take a hit on price " look price will be X and not Y as advertised"

Its all about managing your brand expectation and this is where it's all coming from...my expectation of the Biante quality and to do the right thing for us collectors was for not what I expected for the price paid for that model unfortunately.

Sometimes we don’t have the choice of not buying it...In good faith I kept my obligation to my retailer to do the right thing by him and honour my pre-order and buy it

I applaud Biante to go and release unique and low production numbers, but I think in future hopefully Biante can use this experience that for the next such model/project if it doesn’t result in a satisfactory product you need to frank & open to us collectors. Yes we did bad on this but you know what guys, the next one that we’re planning to do, we'll make sure we do right by you and this won't happen again, we promise"

Cheers

Best post on the thread. Readers would do well to think about this and heed some of the advice...

My last post on this topic unless somebody decides to kick my bucket again...

[XTRALO]

My last post on this topic unless somebody decides to kick my bucket again...

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7360/abucket.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/abucket.jpg/)


Sorry couldn't resist :)

[Leigh]

Love it LMAO!

[malscar]

Hi Chris

Sorry you see it the way you have. Maybe you need to stand back a bit and take a deep breath before responding. Part of the complaints is because of the good reputation Biante has and that if there is a problem normally Biante responds to the collectors.

------

My thoughts as I have yet to see the model in the flesh.

My expectations are/were the following:

Mould only average, not crisp, chrome detailing below average. In the scheme of age, a late '80s early '90s vintage.

Paint Ok, not right up there but not bad.

Decals Either Tampo print or waterslide. Well applied, if waterslide then clear edges to be seen.

Now, going by what people have stated, it appears that the decals are the main problem. It seems that the actual application is not good. Personally I can fix that, but some can not, do not realise with the right stuff it is pretty easy.

If Biante do this sort of release in the future, then maybe provide the decals on a sheet for the buyer to apply instead. Just a thought.

($10 bet, my work computer - lunch here - will bundle all of this into one giant paragraph, if so I apologise).

[Garry]

Ha, ha, ha, ha...mate, I invest millions in business projects, I wouldn't be stupid enough to invest anything to become a retailer...and for evidence of that, please refer to our previous discussions on this forum!

Other peoples money I would presume.....If it is your money, why on earth are you so up-tight over a $162.00 model.

I sincerely hope YOUR retailer reads this thread, suggesting that one must be stupid to invest in retail...........................Umm.

For those collectors that wish to wait for another manufacturer to produce this model, it may well be a VERY long wait, then again, it is an individual choice.

'To buy or not to buy, that is the question'

Have a nice, stress free day. Garry


Ps.
Chris,
I like to call a 'spade a spade'. Without an existing mould, this model would not have seen the light of day. Thankyou for producing this model, even with all it's faults.

[Leigh]

Other peoples money I would presume.....If it is your money, why on earth are you so up-tight over a $162.00 model.

I sincerely hope YOUR retailer reads this thread, suggesting that one must be stupid to invest in retail...........................Umm.

For those collectors that wish to wait for another manufacturer to produce this model, it may well be a VERY long wait, then again, it is an individual choice.

'To buy or not to buy, that is the question'

Have a nice, stress free day. Garry


Ps.
Chris,
I like to call a 'spade a spade'. Without an existing mould, this model would not have seen the light of day. Thankyou for producing this model, even with all it's faults.

Kick, kick, kick...

Errr, please point me in the direction of where I am uptight over the model...uptight over the responses from Chris maybe...

My retailer will read this, in fact I talk to him about these very issues all the time.

But we have had this discussion before Garry!

[wazza002]

Chris,

Please don't Tar us all with the same Brush.

As has been previously written, Biante advised that this was a one off special Commission using another Co mould.

Look at the posts like david5's

I applaud Biante's efforts on the Collectors behalf

Don't be disheartened by a few

Cheers

Yeah, Well said singer I agree with you, But Chris I like mine if this helps mate I don't mind holding down the sticker now and again buddy so keep your chin up mate.

cheers wazza ;):)

[Garry]

What's done, is done.

As I have much more important things to attend to, I'm moving on.

TTFN, Garry

[Broometime]

All businesses make mistakes and learn from them. I know Biante will. Thats what life is about.
Leigh would be good to see a website that lists all your great success in business and a open forum that could be commented on. If you could post a link would be great.

Dave

[Garry]

All businesses make mistakes and learn from them. I know Biante will. Thats what life is about.
Leigh would be good to see a website that lists all your great success in business and a open forum that could be commented on. If you could post a link would be great.

Dave

ROFL. Without doubt, this IS the best post on this thread.

Many thanks for the light hearted humour, very welcome.

[Hey Charger]

All businesses make mistakes and learn from them. I know Biante will. Thats what life is about.

Dave


Its how you respond & deal with a situation, says allot about a person or business culture.

In my personal view take the criticism, but don't dish it out with implied threats of "deleting posts" or "not producing this or that again".

Chris's post to me, and I’m a moron with English, I interpreted it as someone who wanted to pick up their bat & ball and go home.

I don’t know about Leigh, but I'm a short fused kind of person with many moronic highlights, however I can put up my hand for those accomplishments of diffusing some really sensitive situations with customers/clients and being recognised post fact by the same people of going beyond just to make peace.

Cheers

[Chev_350]

Wow this thread makes for interesting reading, sounds like everyone needs to take 2 deep breaths before they have posted here, who called the lynch mob on Biante? Seriously one average model comes out and you question their business strategy?

Don't like it? don't buy, feel pressured to buy it because your retailer? Talk to them about it

[Graeme]

Take a look at the Yat Ming website and you won't find a detailed livery on any model, with most of their diecast product being road cars.


http://www.yatming.com/aboutus.aspx


I'd suggest that Biante's Falcon Sprint was a discovery project of one sort or another for both the manufacturer and their client.

[Leigh]

All businesses make mistakes and learn from them. I know Biante will. Thats what life is about.
Leigh would be good to see a website that lists all your great success in business and a open forum that could be commented on. If you could post a link would be great.

Dave

Good baiting 3rd post mate. Chris knows who I am and what I do...that's all that matters. Hate to point out a mistake in your post, but from Chris' posts above, there "learning" is to not make such low volume models anymore...not exactly what anybody wants?

[ratster70]

Chris like me i think we both probably should have taken a deep breath before posting our posts ;) i was and am still dissapointed in the product i recieved and like i said i have honoured my pre order as my local doesnt need another shelf full of unwanted stock and yes like a few others here i applaud biante for making this car. But being spoilt with the quality of the releases of recent times i guess tarnished my view immensly on this model, yes i agree we were warned it wouldnt be of total biante standards but correct me if wrong was it ever stated that the decals would be peeling off before we even got it, the bumper bars wouldnt be fully painted and the under bonnet not painted properly etc etc i dont think so! It wasnt that long ago we were paying close to the $165 price i paid for this one and the standard wasnt as ordinary as this one so yes im not happy with it but will keep it as it was one i definetley wanted in my collection and yes the low numbers and signed COA were great additions. Unfortunatley mine and others posts were maybe taken in the wrong way and in the heat of the moment mine and i think yours were written not with a clear head but it is a public forum in which you take our feedback quite seriously be it good or bad and use it to improve your product so itd be a shame to lose it not just for us but your company also. As for the biante attacking posters you speak of yes like everything there is always a minority that ruins it but from what i see this forum is way more of a CC bash than biante;) so please take my post as a heated constructive critism please as it was intended.

On a positive note i just got my Holdsworth VE and all i can say is you guys have killed this puppy absolute gem of a model and the fine detail is just simply brilliant love the cloth seat belts with real buckles not fully moulded belts, under the bonnet and boot detail same so many things to look at :D couldnt stop looking at it in my local shop to say i was happy was an understatement so job very well done on this one:D

[return of the jawa]

1 mistake out of a lot is not bad,
it could be like classic's and every car has a problem
i dont buy many biante's but this is the only car ive seen like this made,
we all buy models to collect the fav's drivers,
look at the good points of the car ,its got a signed coa from jimmy,classic's dont do that ever unless your a member,
once is ok with me ,i dont think biante will let this happen again .
give it a break,
dont like it dont buy it,let the retailers deal with problems of getting read of them.

[skaifeyfan2]

...and that is a very unprofessional response Chris.

The positives I take from your post are:

Biante were unhappy
Biante have spent a lot of money adjusting the mould to be representative of the race car

Negatives from the post:

Threatening customers that you will withdraw the forum
Threatening customers to not make negative comments through deletion of threads (although you attempt to justify this with the "we listen" argument)...well doesn't appear you want to listen now...
Threatening customers with not doing one offs (well you obviously didn't make any money off it then?)


Not wanting to tell you how to run your business Chris, but you are starting to sound a lot like your competitors:

"We produced a piss poor scale model of what you asked for, now buy it or miss out"

And you are wrong on the "weren't forced to buy" argument too...the way Biante and Classics have a noose around the retailers necks with respect to pre-orders, if we didn't buy, because the model was poor, would you take them all back? If we don't buy what we ordered, the retailer gets stuck with them and all our orders get canned!

Ive never been one to agree with you Leigh :p but that is just superb.

[edy]

Well I saw the car at my retailer and asked what happened?

I chose not to buy it. Game over.

I am not going to carrying on like a pork chop like others have. **** happens lets move on.

Like most things - nobody every remembers the good. Only the bad.

[Road Runner 72]

Wow....

Got a PM saying have a look in this thread...

Now can see why I post less n less these days.

About the car, was looking forward to adding to my Historic collection, but yes not upto the standard of the other historics, so I passed.

About the forum, it's a forum, there disscusions good and bad, thats what a forum is about, when it gets out of hand, mods clean it up.

Gary & Leigh, are you brothers? as you do carry on like brothers when you both meet in threads, you both have good points & then some that we will throw in the gutter, your both nice gent's when your ego's dont get in the way ;)

I for one cant aford $165 for a car, but I work my but off to come up with the cash, as the detail in todays cars are awesome, I was excitied about this car, even knowing it was not a Biante mould, being a low run is great, but I made my choice & passed on it, as I would rather it was a Biante standard, as I stopped collecting ERTL's & such years ago, if I do get one, its for a small price, vaule for money I say.

Chris always love seeing you post, but I have to say I was a little disapointed in some of
remarks, as not all members of the forum post, we also do have a big bunch of readers, you can't see there opionis but I feel you know it.
But I understanded you got to the point of enough is enough,but just my 2 cent's you should of made a small post, saying "Yes we know" or what ever & locked this thread.

because it looks like everyone was having a whinge & not all of them about the model.

Or you guys can keep going because it's entertaining while I follow the thread & can see true colours of some people & some whom suprise ;)

Happy collecting

[HQGTS74]

I haven't even seen the car, but definately understand Biante's point on this one:

We demand or wish for a certain car to be made..

To satisfy just a handfull of collectors represented by this forum, Biante decides to make us a 1:18 of a popular car that can be added to the cabinet as an official Biante model with even a signed COA..

As it's also a very limited number, we can't expect a new mould, but use of a more basic one..

Then ofcourse the price of this model should be less than the usual RRP for Biante models and it is because it's not the same standard as other models..

In the end what do we get:

- A basic model with signed COA that we would never have had in the first place, and for a reduced price.

IMO, i think we're being a bit unfair here, but that's just me..

Chris

[brchi17]

I haven't even seen the car,.....IMO, i think we're being a bit unfair here, but that's just me..

Best to check one out and I think you'll have a better understand of the comments in here. The overall model isn't too bad for what it is, the decal application on the other hand is terrible....:(

[mrmavx]

I haven't even seen the car, but definately understand Biante's point on this one:

We demand or wish for a certain car to be made..

To satisfy just a handfull of collectors represented by this forum, Biante decides to make us a 1:18 of a popular car that can be added to the cabinet as an official Biante model with even a signed COA..

As it's also a very limited number, we can't expect a new mould, but use of a more basic one..

Then of course the price of this model should be less than the usual RRP for Biante models and it is because it's not the same standard as other models..

In the end what do we get:

- A basic model with signed COA that we would never have had in the first place, and for a reduced price.

IMO, i think we're being a bit unfair here, but that's just me..

Chris

well said coudnt agree more, i for one am sick of the manufacturer bashing going on, seems classic cannot do anything right according to some, yes they have made some mistakes but sometimes have made some magnifent models now pple are starting to do the same to biante and frankly i am sick of it all, if you dont like it DONT BLOODY BUY IT . The amout of time and effort it takes to create these models i believe is much higher than most people realise and i am pretty certain that neither manufacturer goes out to make errors when they spend tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars on a mould yet if you believe some people of late you would almost think that mistakes/errors are deliberate or the manufacturers dont care sometimes it can be down to how a cad program draws (ie straight lines or curves between points of measurment or because that shape simply will not work with current mould technology). i remember the days when you coudnt get a model of an aussie car and i am very apprciative of the ever increasing choice of generally very good or excellent models and am grateful for it.

mrmavx aka wayne m

[monarocveightz]

I dislike it when people say don't buy it......it's all well and good for us to say no to a model....but what are retailers supposed to do with stock that no-one wants? Are Biante/CC etc going to buy back stock?.......I don't think so.....

I know it's not Biante's fault as they didn't manufacture the model themselves.....but surely someone from the factory could have checked the QC in China before they were shipped over?

[sleepy]

I have all the other historics produced by biante but have held back on buying this 1 due to a massive drop in disposable income, but from what ive read (stickers peeling off while still in the shop) this is disgusting if these were manufactured automotive or any type of product foodstuffs etc with poor wrapping and had these problems they would have been buried at the local tip before even reaching a retail point, The question is did anyone inspect these models before they were sent out to the retail stores.

[skaifeyfan2]

I haven't seen the car but if its below peoples usual standards for a 165 dollar model then that in itself is an issue.

Chris posting what he did astounded me. The second half of that is just ridiculous, especially after spending the good part of the last few years building up a solid relationship with its customers, only to then post those sorts of threats... it completely undermines that effort. From the CEO no less.

Codies right, what if you're a Jim Richo fan who has all his cars? Are you meant to just not buy it?

Should have said something along the lines of "Our bad, we'll look into it" and then blast whoever made it. It may not be a Biante made model but it still has Biante's name on it, and that is what counts in the end.

[HQGTS74]

well said coudnt agree more, i for one am sick of the manufacturer bashing going on, seems classic cannot do anything right according to some, yes they have made some mistakes but sometimes have made some magnifent models now pple are starting to do the same to biante and frankly i am sick of it all, if you dont like it DONT BLOODY BUY IT . The amout of time and effort it takes to create these models i believe is much higher than most people realise and i am pretty certain that neither manufacturer goes out to make errors when they spend tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars on a mould yet if you believe some people of late you would almost think that mistakes/errors are deliberate or the manufacturers dont care sometimes it can be down to how a cad program draws (ie straight lines or curves between points of measurment or because that shape simply will not work with current mould technology). i remember the days when you coudnt get a model of an aussie car and i am very apprciative of the ever increasing choice of generally very good or excellent models and am grateful for it.

mrmavx aka wayne m

I think people can carry on or whinge excessively sometimes, instead of appreciating the fact that we have 2 manufactures both producing scale models of Australian cars, pumping out some great releases, doing their best to please us with each model and ofcourse doing it as quickly as possible to keep collectors happy, especially with the V8 supercars that must be made each year.

However i wouldn't say this is an excuse for any QC issues, as at the end of the day people are paying a lot of money for these so you'd hope you can take it home in one piece.:)

Chris

[SDK]

i remember the days when you coudnt get a model of an aussie car

How old are you then mate?

[Graeme]

Best to check one out and I think you'll have a better understand of the comments in here. The overall model isn't too bad for what it is, the decal application on the other hand is terrible....:(

Perhaps the door now opens for a Plain Body Version ... ???


I appreciate the tooling efforts over and above the road car version, but I suppose you could compare this situation to that of a keen buyer who has just ordered a new VE Commodore SS from the local Holden dealer complete with optional bonnet/boot Track Stripes and window tinting, only to find upon delivery that the stripe decals and tint film are curling up at the edges. Even if these items were a complimentary inclusion, as the purchaser of a new car you still wouldn't be a happy camper.

[lukey73]

Perhaps the door now opens for a Plain Body Version ... ???


I appreciate the tooling efforts over and above the road car version, but I suppose you could compare this situation to that of a keen buyer who has just ordered a new VE Commodore SS from the local Holden dealer complete with optional bonnet/boot Track Stripes and window tinting, only to find upon delivery that the stripe decals and tint film are curling up at the edges. Even if these items were a complimentary inclusion, as the purchaser of a new car you still wouldn't be a happy camper.

Graeme, If i were to receive a car like that from a dealer it would go back as a warranty issue which can not be done with this model.

Having read the whole thread i can see both sides of the discussion have valid points, both Leigh and Chris IMO have taken this 1 step to far.

I like Mike was looking forward to this model but have not bought after seeing a boxful today with the problems as mentioned. I work hard for my cash and dont want to pay $165 + for a model to then spend more on fixing/repairing it.

We knew it wasnt going to be upto the usual Biante Standard but i would have thought that it was the mould only not the paint / decals that would let it down so badly.

Hopefully in the future there will be another release with better fit /finish that we can enjoy, maybe its a good idea to start coming up with cars/drivers that we could get a run 12,000 - 15,000 from to justify a new mould being made.

[Graeme]

Graeme, If i were to receive a car like that from a dealer it would go back as a warranty issue which can not be done with this model.

...

We knew it wasnt going to be upto the usual Biante Standard but i would have thought that it was the mould only not the paint / decals that would let it down so badly.

Hopefully in the future there will be another release with better fit /finish that we can enjoy, maybe its a good idea to start coming up with cars/drivers that we could get a run 12,000 - 15,000 from to justify a new mould being made.


Much to Biante's chagrin, the days of 12,000 to 15,000 pieces per item are history. This figure used to be a valid guide for a new mould investment, say for instance six or seven different race car liverys at 2,000 pieces per livery ... but even 2,000 pieces is a difficult target these days.

As for the Falcon Sprint, in much the same situation as with the 1966 Bathurst Mini and the 1991/92 Bathurst GT-Rs, it may be economically viable to 'borrow' an existing mould, and knowing its shortcomings to price the product accordingly, but in this situation the lack of tampo print capability on the part of Yat Ming has compromised the end product.

[malscar]

I have just seen an example.

The mould is what I expected since it is a Road Signature car. So that has not disappointed me.

With the decals. Most of the car appears to be tampo print. Could not see any problems with that. The only problems were the windscreen and rear quarter ones. No biggie and not worth the anger being displayed. I have seen lots worse on the CC cars which are $60 - $80 more.

The windscreen banners look to be printed on a vinyl base. The rear did not seem to be a problem however the front is actually a little long. All cars I saw were the same. Looks like the factory applied the sticker (not really a decal) from the left side to the right side. The excess goes up and over the chrome window surround. This is why it looks to be lifting off.

Now - easy fix. Take a modeling scalpel (new blade) and gently run the tip down the side of the chrome strip. The glass side. Against the chrome. Don't use lots of force and probably run the blade down the same cut a few times to cut through. BE CAREFUL. Lift off the excess then press down the remaining windscreen banner.

Secondly, the Shannons sticker on the rear quarters. This is printed on a thick clear vinyl. The problem with this decal is that on the real car it goes OVER the chrome trim. Therefore so must the one on the model or people would complain as it is not accurate. Since this is on vinyl, it has not really taken to the sharp contours. A waterslide may have been better here.

Another fix. Get out your wife's/girlfriend's or in RoadRunners case, his, hairdryer. Turn it on to the lowest setting and then very gently warm the vinyl decal. Note GENTLY. Once it gets a little warm, use a tissue/handkerchief etc and press the decal with your finger. You can gently work the vinyl decal into the the panel lines. Guys who have put the vinyl decals on the VK Brock models should do this without a problem. After some gentle persuasion it should conform to all the panel lines.

Now, I for one still want Biante to keep making these one offs. People have to remember that it is not worth it to Biante to do a new mould for these one offs. It is better and more economical to use existing ones. Unfortunately with the Sprint there was only one choice.

[Road Runner 72]

LOL leave my hairdryer out of it, so you say wife/girlfriends but if you have to use one whos? oh yep Becs ;)

Mal glad you happy with it & like some an easy fix, but you used the words "Be Carful" & "GENTLY", well were MEN some of us anyway lol,
For some others it will be but I don't want something I have to fix for $160 or but what about the people who pick this up & it's there first Biante model, not to mention the overseas collectors, they won't see how the price reflects product, even for a coa with siggy, but alas if its the ONLY way to have the model & there are people who are happy to have it, then thats good, my choice is to pass, not argue about it as looking forward to the next Biante good thing.

Don't forget the photos Mal if you get one & do your fix, thx for taking the time to post them helpful hints.

Cheers

Mike

[Pulse Red]

Best to check one out and I think you'll have a better understand of the comments in here. The overall model isn't too bad for what it is, the decal application on the other hand is terrible....:(

Just saw this model today and I agree with this.

I was still tempted to get it though! My favourite of this series is still the GT Falcon Hardtop. That car was spot on in my eyes. :cool:

[Brock 05]

Mmmmm, What a read this was! Although the decals peeling is poor no matter what the price, I hope Biante still will be willing to do one offs like this & make sure it doesn't happen again even if it means a price rise for such a car.

I personally would rather pay $215 for the car that had decals like we see on the other Biante releases rather than $165 for crap. I think most would agree with me on this & seen as it is a one off & low numbered I don't think anyone could complain about the price if the car was of the usual standard.

[Andrew]

I agree with Brock 05's post. I've read this thread with great interest and have shaken my head at some of the posts because I never thought I'd see such things posted on this particular forum. Not to worry, that's the beauty of a public forum.

I would like to think that Biante would still support limited runs of cars into the future, although I too would pay extra for a good model executed correctly. It's been an interesting exercise doing this car - the concept is fundamentally sound. It's only that the model manufacturer sub-contracted to produce this car wasn't up to Biante's exacting standards (and those its loyal customers have come to expect) and that has burnt a lot of people as a consequence. As has been pointed out already, if it had been a 1:1 car from a dealership, customers would have sent it back to have the problems remedied.

However Chris et al, do not take this one-off incidence as representative of the value of doing limited runs of unusual cars. As collectors, we love them and really appreciate the variety they offer from the larger releases. I adore my Skaife GT-R 1990 Adelaide GP roll-over car which is also a very limited run. The quality on that is excellent. I guess everyone has learnt a lesson out of the Richards Falcon.

[VXfan]

Some of the members here could dummy-spit for Australia!:D

[malscar]

Can we get a gold medal for it? But then Tony, we would be fighting with you for it lol:p

[louieate8ate]

Some of the members here could dummy-spit for Australia!:D
Tend to get a bit grumpy don't they.Thought that only happened on the "other" forum.... :D

[biante11500]

not trying to add fuel to the fire but when i first saw this model listed in one of the news letters i thought i might be intrested in it, even considering it was from a yat-ming 24.95 usd average mold. i was wondering how many mold changes were made to this model to bring the cost up to 162.00?? i haven't seen one yet and was wondering what type of decals were used? waterslide or peel & stick??

either way thats pretty unacceptable by todays standards and reatail prices. if the models use waterslide decals they should be clear coated over the entire body area to keep the decals sealed and prevent them from peeling off like so many minichamps models are prone to do.

some u.s.a & canada prices for the original 1964 falcon mold

[Chev_350]

If you find it unacceptable don't buy the thing, simple as that

[biante11500]

If you find it unacceptable don't buy the thing, simple as that

wow what an original response gag,cough,cough,, good advice though, why waste good money on these inferior chineese crap quality toy's when i could buy a grocery cart full of hot wings and beer for that kind of money.

[lachlan]

If you find it unacceptable don't buy the thing, simple as that

Sounds like what my old boss used to say "If you don't like it there's the Door"

Bon Voyage!! :D

[El Cheapo]

wow what an original response gag,cough,cough,, good advice though, why waste good money on these inferior chineese crap quality toy's when i could buy a grocery cart full of hot wings and beer for that kind of money.

I'm pretty sure all Biante (and CC) diecasts are done in China mate :rolleyes:

Doesn't Biante have to pay to have the sponsorship decals on the car? I'm sure I read a post here a while ago about how some of the cost the consumer has to pay is because of that.

[BB]

wow what an original response gag,cough,cough,, good advice though, why waste good money on these inferior chineese crap quality toy's when i could buy a grocery cart full of hot wings and beer for that kind of money.

hot Buffalo chicken wings and beeeerrrr aarrrggghhhhh slobber:D

[skaifeyfan2]

I'm pretty sure all Biante (and CC) diecasts are done in China mate :rolleyes:

Doesn't Biante have to pay to have the sponsorship decals on the car? I'm sure I read a post here a while ago about how some of the cost the consumer has to pay is because of that.

There will be licensing fees for the sponsor logos for sure.

[Chev_350]

wow what an original response gag,cough,cough,, good advice though, why waste good money on these inferior chineese crap quality toy's when i could buy a grocery cart full of hot wings and beer for that kind of money.

Original, I know but some posts make it out like they had gun put to their head telling them to buy the car or else. It is unfortunate that this car is at a certain standard but if people had chance to inspect the car before purchasing, knew it's faults, yet still purchased it, they have no one to blame.

That is all, my hot wings are getting cold

[Oh Five]

Thats true Chev, but when it is pre ordered some people (all should) honor their word to the dealer...otherwise the shop is left with them aka 84 VK, Austin 7 etc. Maybe if it was priced at $130 or less, all of this may not have been such a blowout.
Some others have mentioned that its ONLY $160..well it may not be much to some, but its alot to others.

[edy]

Some others have mentioned that its ONLY $160..well it may not be much to some, but its alot to others.

Not too long ago, $160 was the price of a 2003/2004 CC 1/18 V8 Supercar. Now it is $215 :mad::mad: and probably $230 next year:mad::mad:

[Graeme]

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Doesn't Biante have to pay to have the sponsorship decals on the car? I'm sure I read a post here a while ago about how some of the cost the consumer has to pay is because of that.

Not every corporate entity has their hand gesturing to be filled ... if that were the case, then there's no logical way, for example, that any V8 Supercar model would eventuate.

Experience however has shown that some worldwide sponsor entities are up for a piece of the action and that includes companies such as Coca-Cola (reference the 1999 Bathurst Gardner/Brabham VT Commodore)

Look under the box and you'll see that Ford gets a licensing bite of the cherry, and of course, Jim Richards gets something for his moniker too.

[david5]

I got Jim to sign this poster at the Biante function at Bathurst with this in mind.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30/david5_alb um/posters008.jpg

And then Bob Jane last weekend,

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30/david5_alb um/posters007.jpg

Very pleased how they turned out, frames are $5.50 cheapies from Crazy Clarks.

[El Cheapo]

Those look great David. Not bad for $11 :)

[pitcrew]

That looks great David.
Ain't nothing wrong with cheapo frames they work perfect, I get mine from the 2 dollar shop.
Cheers

[david5]

Thanks boys :D

[ratster70]

Gotta agree with the boys looks good ;) cant complain about cheap frames they look fine and this is a damn expensive enough hobby so if we can do it cheaper and still get great results why not good job david:D

[Rascot]

Top job David, they look great :cool:

[wazza002]

I got Jim to sign this poster at the Biante function at Bathurst with this in mind.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30/david5_alb um/posters008.jpg

And then Bob Jane last weekend,

Very pleased how they turned out, frames are $5.50 cheapies from Crazy Clarks.

Hey David who got your poster signed LoL :p:D:D

[david5]

Hey David who got your poster signed LoL :p:D:D

Sorry everyone, Wazza lined up & got that signed for me while I was chatting with John Bowe. :o

What a great life JB has, two weekends ago racing a Mustang at Clipsal, last weekend a Porsche at PI & this weekend an Ascari at Albert Park. Glad to see both drivers escape injury in that GT crash.

[wazza002]

Thats ok david, I know you where gas bagging alot that night and I had to do your work to get a lift back home LoL :p:D;)

[inter]

Ok I have the model ( 3 of them).

Model is ok but the decals are poor quality/applied, I agree.

What is intresting is the low model quantity.

with out sounding like a suckhole I am happy that Biante has made a low amount and I hope they continue this trend.

There are a number of reason I collect

Love of cars.
Love of Motorsport
Remembering old cars and reflecting on my past.
Investment.

Now investment is not my main priority because i still collect cars that I know will be worthlessin the future. But it is still nice to see a model value go up.......you never know what is around the corner.

I collect 3 of all models ( 2 go to my chldren) In the future my children can either keep the collection or sell it to advance their future.

I will stick my neck out and say that Biante has released 354 1:18 scale cars to date and in 3 year time this will be in the top 80-90 most valuable cars.......


I want Biante to continue to make low volume models or else Biante may as well change their name to Bburago ( no offence)

I know I would rather have 3 twin Mirrors in my collection than 3 Brock paddock bashers.......:)

[<Jonboy>]

I will stick my neck out and say that Biante has released 354 1:18 scale cars to date and in 3 year time this will be in the top 80-90 most valuable cars.......i haven't been around long enough to know any better, but wouldn't the sticker quality impede any growth in the value?

[david5]

i haven't been around long enough to know any better, but wouldn't the sticker quality impede any growth in the value?

Not necessarily, there are examples of valuable models with poor paint & or decals. Recent one that springs to mind is the Frosty Cobra, the first of the Skyline racecars another. It also was an unpopular model to start with.

[Maq]

Frosty Cobra struggles to get more than retail $

[david5]

Frosty Cobra struggles to get more than retail $

Does it, sorry my mistake, which is his car thats really dear ?

[Maq]

GT livery BA, but that has no decal isues

[david5]

GT livery BA, but that has no decal isues

Thank you

[inter]

i haven't been around long enough to know any better, but wouldn't the sticker quality impede any growth in the value?

Yes poor quality does impede growth......... but low numbers will overcome this to a certain point.

That is why I said in the top 80 or so....if not top 50.

as mentioned before the 91 and 92 bathurst winners were not top noch but the are valuable....until CC make one

[onfire]

Ok I have the model ( 3 of them).

Model is ok but the decals are poor quality/applied, I agree.

What is intresting is the low model quantity.

with out sounding like a suckhole I am happy that Biante has made a low amount and I hope they continue this trend.

There are a number of reason I collect

Love of cars.
Love of Motorsport
Remembering old cars and reflecting on my past.
Investment.

Now investment is not my main priority because i still collect cars that I know will be worthlessin the future. But it is still nice to see a model value go up.......you never know what is around the corner.

I collect 3 of all models ( 2 go to my chldren) In the future my children can either keep the collection or sell it to advance their future.

I will stick my neck out and say that Biante has released 354 1:18 scale cars to date and in 3 year time this will be in the top 80-90 most valuable cars.......


I want Biante to continue to make low volume models or else Biante may as well change their name to Bburago ( no offence)

I know I would rather have 3 twin Mirrors in my collection than 3 Brock paddock bashers.......:)

your spot on and well said,