Your help is needed.

[Richard Poole]

We are currently working on the Allan Moffat 1988 Bathurst ANZ Sierra. All of the livery has been finalised other than the one logo as shown in the attached pic.

If anyone has a CLEAR (!) shot of this logo and can post it on the forum for us it would be very much appreciated. Please don't e-mail large attached pics as this slows our e-mail system down drastically. The logo doesn't have to be on the car, a print add or something of this type with the same logo is Ok. It must be clearly readable (not blurry) and is needed as soon as possible.

Thanks for any help you may be able to give.

[Rob]

Hey Richard

I would digitise it for you, but for the
fact it's hard to see what it actually is.

Cheers

[Richard Poole]

That's exactly our problem, this is the clearest picture we have. There should be someone out there with a photo of the Moffat car where the logo is actually distinguishable. If we knew what it was we would know where to look.

The logo is in the same position on both sides of the car.

[SWRT]

Either ask Allan Moffat,Klaus Niedzitch or Rudy Eccumburger what it is.
I'II check my doco on Moffs 1988 weekend to find out what it says.

[ferrari fan]

The photographer Mr. Mick Oliver ,Gerry and the Cook do know him, will have an image of this as he has been taking Pics of all cars for nearly 25 years or more .
His Son has even worked in the store a while ago.
regards
Ferrari fan.
P.S. I am going there now to have a brouwse in the fotolibary and let you know soon.

[brchi17]

I've just spent the last hour going through my Bathurst annuals & the Australian Motor racing year annual & I can't find anything on it.

It must have been a sponsor who just jumped on board for the great race, as all the pics I have show the car from the ATCC & the 500 win without the image you have posted. The only bathurst pic only show thye front of the car & your image is not able to be viewed.

Perhaps we have someone who attended the race & have some photo's in their archives.

Sorry, but still searching although it doesn't look good.

cheers.

[BATHURSTFAN]

Would it be on the ANZ Bank Video?

"Moffat: The Man & The Mountain" detailing Moffats 1988 Bathurst Challenge.

In Bathurst The Magazine (1990) on page 26 is that the same logo underneath the Australian flag on the Neil Bates car?

[Nivola]

Well i think that it might be the World Title decal of Eggenberger cossie's. Just trying to remember.

That is the only thing i can think of. I havent got any tapes to watch so it not something i can find.

They didnot run the decal at the ATCC round in W.A.

[BATHURSTFAN]

SCAN OF BATES CAR ATTACHED

[Richard Poole]

Thanks Bathurstfan.

The pic is a bit blurry but it gives us a lead on finding the logo somewhere else.

[SS Commodore]

Have you tried Chevron Publishing, Ray Berghouse etc have many pictures from this era. Also when Lance J Rutting passed I'm sure his photos became available to the public, but not sure how? There was a web site but that has since gone.

It almost seems that the car only liked to have photos taken from the front.

[brchi17]

I think it could be the logo for the Light Car Club of Australia. I can remember seeing something simular on a race program from the early 90's & the logo looks simular to the image that Richard posted earlier.

hope this helps,

cheers.

[frosty]

Richard,
This picture is from the Great Race no.8 published by Chevron Publishing.
On page 195 photographer is Dale Rodgers.
I have looked at the picture with a magnifying glass, but to no avail.
(Picture has to be passed by Admin).

[admin]

We are closing in. It's not easy is it???
I will donate the prototype of this model to whoever comes up with the FIRST clear pic of this logo!!
Thanks for all your help so far.

[SWRT]

Try www.autopics.com.au
There sure to have several pics of it.
I think its a Telecom advertsing sticker because of the Aus flag which looks to have olympic rings under it.

[Richard Poole]

We have tried Autopics, chevron, and Allan and do not have a clear photo of the logo.

It may be an Olympic logo as ANZ were a sponsor of the games that year.

[brchi17]

I've been searching the web on ANZ, the olympics, bathurst, 1988, etc for the past 4 hours & still nothing !!!

I even got my brother to watch the bathurst highlights video that we've got & still nothing.

The only pics I found were the one that have already been posted of the Corolla which I found in the bathurst program.

Also on my Allan Moffat poster from 1989 it has the logo, but it is no better than the images that have already been posted.

Still looking but losing hope,

cheers.

[lachlan]

I've been looking everywhere as well and...............nothing.
This is driving me nuts!! But if you find out what it is, it would be well worth the effort. How unreal would the prototype look sitting in your collection. I'm off to continue my search, does Admin know I have to go to work in the morning?
:)

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by brchi17
I've been searching the web on ANZ, the olympics, bathurst, 1988, etc for the past 4 hours & still nothing !!!

I even got my brother to watch the bathurst highlights video that we've got & still nothing.

The only pics I found were the one that have already been posted of the Corolla which I found in the bathurst program.

Also on my Allan Moffat poster from 1989 it has the logo, but it is no better than the images that have already been posted.

Still looking but losing hope,

cheers.

I bought the set on DVD from the Bathurst Museum at the race last year and the logo is not visibile in any shots on the highlights DVD. Believe me, I 've checked.

Fun isn't it!

[the_goldie]

Anyone got some more matchsticks to keep my eyes opened??? :eek:

Eeeehhhh man the web has some $hit out there...

Someone is bound to find it.

[Malik]

Pity he didnt win bathurst in this car.. would be alot easier to find it hehe

[Malik]

best I found after about 4 hours of searching almost every keyword I could think up is that the Bates/Dowson car is No. 33 and was the Class 3 winner for 1989 and is a Toyota Corolla...


they only 2 other pics of the moffat or bates car are both from the front as its dropping thru the dipper and shows absolutely nothing from the side.. :(

[KiwiRallyFan]

Hi Richard,

Here is another little clue....

I have a photo of the rear of the Sierra which Dick Johnson/John Bowe ran in the 1988 Nissan-Mobil 500 street race here in Wellington on October 24, 1988.

There appears to be the same sticker placed on the back of this car between two Shell stickers. This car was sponsored by Shell and Fletcher Steel.

The picture I have is also fuzzy, but I will scan it for you and post it on this thread later today.

Maybe DJR could help....the same sticker could have been on the back of their 1988 Bathurst Sierra.

[Grubby]

I must have spent the best part of 6 - 7 hours last night going through DVD's ( sounds like a few did this ) some old magazines and books and obviuosly checked 100's of sites on the net....................but all to no avail.

oh well. Might come up with something later.

Grubby

[chups]

i have the 1988 australian touring car racing annual (ANRCA), it has clear shots of the championship car but not of the bathurst car. the championship car doesnt have the logo in question but i thought if you tried contacting ray simpson (Author/photographer) somehow, all i can find is it was published by Reed Books pty ltd
2 Aquatic drive French Forest NSW 2086. he might have some shots.

[BATHURSTFAN]

Ok, so it was used by the 1988 Moffat Team and the two 1989 Corolla Bathurst teams

The Corolla's are in No 9 Bathurst Great Race book on page 116 & 206.

My belief is that it an award medallion sticker for some product (housing, wine ???)

Don't forget 1988 was Australia's Bicentenary Year 1788 - 1988.

If it related to this ot the Olympics, why was it on the 1989 Corolla's?.

[brchi17]

That was my thoughts too bathurstfan, as I believe its an Australian Flag over some sort of fine line logo.

As for the writing around it is anyones guess.

Maybe it says send 1 complementary edition of each new biante car to Brad for the next 25 years !!!! :D

I even got a maginifying glass over my Moffat poster of this car, but its' simply too small to read.

I then thought that it may be a JH logo but it was a few years since JH had sponsored the race.

Still searching,

cheers.

[KiwiRallyFan]

Here is my photo of the rear of the DJR Sierra during the 1988 Nissan-Mobil street race in Wellington.

I know it is a really fuzzy image, but it apears to show the same sticker. I'm only guessing, but the sticker may have been on the 1988 Bathurst car.

And, just for speculation, I don't suppose it is some sort of Queensland Car/Touring/Racing Club?

[brchi17]

Kiwi,
The only pics I have of this car are front on & RHS after JB put the car in the wall.

Have you got any other pre crash pics ???

cheers.

[KiwiRallyFan]

...and just for pure interest...a front view of the same car in the 1988 Nissan Mobil street race in Wellington.

The DJR Sierra qualified on pole for the race, but suffered from a misfire during the race, but then dropped out later when (apparently) the bottom of the dipstick was crunched up in the engine. The race was won by the Team Schnitzer BMW M3 of Roberto Ravaglia and Emanuele Pirro.

[KiwiRallyFan]

Admin, I think I pushed the wrong button, so here is the Sierra rear view again.

Brad, I don't have any Bathurst images, just these that I took myself in Wellington.

[brchi17]

Yep thats that bl@@dy sticker again !!!

I've sent an email to DJR so hopefully, they might be able to shed some light on the subject.

Still searching - should do some work at work soon, otherwise Biante might have to may my wage if the boss finds out !!! :D

cheers.

[Grubby]

I know what you mean. All I have done today is search for that bloody sticker. No succes.

Grubby

[the_goldie]

This is driving me nuts.... I don't know how many different searches I have tried and how many images I have looked at looking for a little yellow sticker .. lol ..

whoever finds out will be a hereo!

this sticker is stopping the model car collectors from working - LOL!

"must find that sticker"

[fordfan5]

just been thru my 1988 touring car annual about 8 times
and studied all the pictures not one of the cars has it even moffat car has got his autograph where the sticker is supposed to be. must have been for bathurst only .
mabye the organisers will have a record on what stickers
had to be run on the cars that year.

[rex555]

Only thing that I can find is a DVD entitled "Moffat and the Mountain" for $30 from ezydvd. It may be on there if anyone has a copy but I guess it may not be visible either or too quick and blury.

Has anyone tried FoMoCo themselves? For something like this they may be inclined to help.

[Moby58]

Hi Richard,

This site ( http://www.mondialtec.com/mondiadecal1.htm ) sells decals for slot cars, etc. and lists 'Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 Gp A - ANZ - Allan Moffat' . No pics of the decals, but may be worth ordering or contacting the company :-)

[Kiwiracing]

Hi Moby

I went to a site yesterday, they had the same list, and a pic of the decals, but the logo Richard is after was not on it.

Cheers
Kiwiracing

________________________________
Go Kiwi

[BATHURSTFAN]

So we have it on the;

1988 ANZ Moffat Sierra - Bathurst
1988 DJR Sierra - NZ race
1989 - Corrolla Team Cars - Bathurst

Now whats the connection.....

Didn't the Corolla and Sierra win the Australian Manufacturers Championship (in class) around this time?.

[ferrari fan]

Richard ,I just looked on the site that I said ,I thought the logo was from, and I do not think that it is the one.
BRSCC, Brittish Racing and Sportscar Club, Ahh well it looks similar , is close, and all the cars that it was on would have had a reason to have it on the cars.
The mistery continues:cool:

[wesley charles]

I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT A OLD BOOK CALLED ALLAN MOFFATS SCRAP BOOK IT HAS A PICTURE OF ALLANS 12 HR SEBRING BMW , THE PICTURE IS IN COLOUR AND THERE APPEARS TO BE A STICKER THAT LOOKS THE SAME AS THE ONE ON THE SERRIA ON THE RH I/4 PANEL WHERE THE AIR SCOOP IS.
RICHARD MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE A LOOK AT THE MODEL THAT BIANTE HAS MADE AND SEE IF IT IS THE SAME .
wesley_charles@ hotmail.com

[SS Commodore]

The sticker on the BMW is the Bilstein suspension, But you'll this one to do the DJ Mustang. Well looks like most of the normal avenues have been searched looks like we need someone that has their own photos.

[ferrari fan]

This just showes how much work/time there is in developing a product like this.
I cannot get over the fact that Moffat does not lend a helping hand, for him it would be like ;"" ohh yea that is ....""

[KiwiRallyFan]

I hope that after all this effort it doesn't turn out to be a tobacco ad....:D

[Richard Poole]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
This just showes how much work/time there is in developing a product like this.
I cannot get over the fact that Moffat does not lend a helping hand, for him it would be like ;"" ohh yea that is ....""

Be fair FF, this was many years ago. Allan has been as helpful as he can possibly be.

I bet Schumacher doesn't know every sponsor logo on his 1993 Benetton.

[Moby58]

Hi Richard,

Duke Video at http://www.dukevideo.com/products/deptVCO.htm have a lot of videos on Bathurst and touring car races. Most are from Channel 7 I think, so one of them MUST have some good shots.

Also, they have a ford in racing book at http://www.dukevideo.com/products/H688.htm. Mainly european, but may have the same sponsor sticker on some of the cars.


Do I get the prize now :D

[admin]

Originally posted by KiwiRallyFan
I hope that after all this effort it doesn't turn out to be a tobacco ad....:D
Hadn't thought about that!!! Wouldn't that be a blow!!
Maybe if we can't find it, I will say it was a Bitten & Hisses advert and leave it off.
Come on you guys and gals...SOMEONE must have a pic.

[Glen Alexander]

What about trying to find out from the organisers of the Tooheys 1000??? Maybe someone there remembers, because it seems to be on a few different cars in that race. It's probably some bicentennial thing?? Who knows.

[the_goldie]

Does anyone have the bathurst 1988 coverage for the full race not the highlights package??? Maybe it is in there... just wish I had it to check.

[ferrari fan]

Point taken ,Richard ,This thing is bugging me though.
Here is a source where you would be able to get it from:
The Book is ;The Long Run, TOYOTA, The first 40 Years in Australia.
Published by Type Forty Pty Ltd Box 366 South Huntsville NSW.
National Libary of Australia Cataloging in Publication data;
Davis Pedr , The Long Run-- Toyota : The First 40 Years in Australia ISBN 0 947079 998
Printed by Star Printery Pty Ltd 21 Coulson Str. Erskineville NSW 2043
Picture of the Toyota driven by John Faulkner and Peter McKay and M.Dowson & Neil Bates is on page 391.
The sticker is clearly visible but due to the smallness of the pic , not decyfrable.
hope this helps
It also states that the pics of the car were used in the "Toyota's extra care campaign.
another avenue maybe.

[admin]

Its on 89 cars too so its not bi-centennial. And the organisers of races, particularly 15 years ago, are not really interested in which logos go on which car.
Who knows?? No one apparently.
We search and find about 10,000 of these per year and after the 'Rocktober' on the rear of the City Ford car, which took 3 months, this is the next hardest and so far, the only one that has us stumped.

[Oh Five]

Originally posted by the_goldie
Does anyone have the bathurst 1988 coverage for the full race not the highlights package??? Maybe it is in there... just wish I had it to check.
Goldie, ive got every race in full since 83 and i thought this would be the answer, but after phoning Richard, i was assured this has been tried.....Dammmm, i had the spot already picked out to put the prototype!!:(

[Three_o_seven]

Its yellow, with black.........its gotta be a freaking smiley face.:)

[ferrari fan]

Mike Dowson ,who drove the winning car with Neal Bates ,comes from BUNBURY and his father still runs a boating outfit.
And Mike himself ,as far as I remember has got a Motorcycle dealership in Victoria Park Perth.
He could should be able to have some pics of the car.

[BATHURSTFAN]

This should happen more often, frustrating but fun:D

[sboland]

Admin,I will drive up to the racing museum at Mt panorama on thursday and see if they have any pics there of the 88 anz moffat sierra.
Cheers
Stephen

[sboland]

Actually,with a bit of luck they might have the car there or another one with the logo your after :)

[Bangkok Bob]

Well, I've searched pretty hard for something (too bad the internet wasn't such a big thing back in 88 or I'm sure it would be easier to find).

Whilst it has been suggested its not a bicentenary thing due to it appearing on 89 cars, for me it sort of rings a bell along those lines. I sort of remember some awards (possibly recognising drivers or manufacturers) so maybe it is something like that (which a driver or manufacturer would proudly display beyond the year it was issued). Considering the drivers that had it on their cars (Moffat, Bates), it could very much be a recognition of their contribution to Australian motorsport.

Anyway, the best I could come up with is attached. Its not right, but might make a good alternative if it cannot be found.

:D

[Malik]

After searching for hours last nite and again this morning.. unfortunately having to work in the middle though :(

I am 85% sure it is NOT:
-related to Eggenberger
-related to World Touring Car Championship
-related to World Expo 88 (it was a 3 am hunch.. then I found it on a 1989 car)
-related to the olympics

[jager]

I thought the logo looked similar to the 'European Car of the Year' logo, but the Sierra never won that particular award so thats another avenue gone (the 1988 COY award went to the Peugeot 405).

[Moby58]

ok, have tried a bit of digital enhancement of Richard's original pic.

from what I can make out, there are a series of words in an arch across the top half. Also, in the centre is a block word, with, say a scipt word from the left touching it. Bit like a stylised logo. Just below this, appears to be script writing, like a signature (reminds me very much of Brock's signature on the VL Group A commodore), and finally a larger block below.

Have a video at home, and has footage of the car in the pits. cam goes past the logo a number of times, but cant make out even on pause. Will try to find the same doco on DVD, as will have a sharper pause.

On normal play, as the cam goes past, sort of looks like the ANZ logo??

Anyway, just a few of my thoughts, that will either help or confuse :-)

Richard, you got better quality pic? may be able to do better enhancement then.

[paul keogh]

not real sure on this is it the hiltons hotel logo i have seen the logo somewhere in a book

[admin]

Originally posted by Bangkok Bob
Anyway, the best I could come up with is attached. Its not right, but might make a good alternative if it cannot be found.

:D
Thats not it.
PMA have enhanced it with all their resources and the middle is either 3 ICE or 3 XT and the first word on the left going in an arc around the top is possibly 'Best'.
Thats all the clues we have.

[terrine]

try this link...and turn up your speakers...

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3651/mm i.mid

r/peter

[Richard Poole]

The logo has also been seen on the 1990 ANZ Sierra #10. It was not on during practice or qualifying but appeared on the grid before the start of the race.

Another lead to follow!

[V8SS]

Now we know why Biantes cars are of such a high quality when they go to this much detail and effort. I never would have noticed this logo mising if they released the car without it. Can't wait to see the finished product. How about putting some prototype pictures in the showroom?

[texan]

Richard,
a couple of suggestions, firstly have you tried the enemy camps like CC and particularly Dinkum, as they have done a few Sierras already.
Secondly, whilst you wouldn't expect Moffat or the other drivers to remember, surely they would have professional static photos of these cars, especially if they ran at Bathurst.

[the_goldie]

Hey V8SS,

Some of us might not have realised the logo missing but could you imagine the complaints from the people who did?!

Can you imagine the time from all of us who have searched high and low trying to find this logo it must add up to days - for one little logo...ehhh Goes to show what is involved in producing these great historic racers :D

texan - I saw some sierras from Dinkum but they don't have lot of the decals on them...

[historic]

Its only a hunch , but the sticker looks to say something about being " 100 or 200 years ", this appears to be in a map of Australia, does this ring any bell's with anyone. Australia'a Bi-centenary possibly or the writing on the outside of the circle seems to start of with "200 ....
Both DJR & Moffat were strong supporters of anything Australian as is John Faulkner.

[V8 fan]

I sent a plee to DJR fans to check everything they know of and post it on the site.

Has any one thought of praying?

Let's hope
Cheers:( :confused:

[KiwiRallyFan]

For what it's worth...here is another fuzzy image of the sticker on the back of the DJR Sierra at the 1988 Nissan-Mobil street race in Wellington NZ.

Sure looks like the same sticker....you can tell....all the letters are unreadable and there is still that black block in the middle!

[brchi17]

Originally posted by V8 fan
I sent a plee to DJR fans to check everything they know of and post it on the site.

Has any one thought of praying?

Let's hope
Cheers:( :confused:

I send them (segal media from the DJR website) an email yeaterday, but no responce !!!

Hopefuly they are just busy & will get back to me soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

cheers.

[XR8]

There's also someone chasing this up on the newsgroups as well.

Just wish I had a picture of it so I could cheerfully place that prototype Sierra in my display!!

Ed :)

[sboland]

Well I checked out the racing museum at Mount Panorarma and could not find anything there with the logo.They had a few old race programs dating back to 1990,had a flick thru them and nothing.They have 1 seirra there on display,the B&H sierra from 89,nothing on it that resembled the logo.I give up.

[Grubby]

I have always thought that Biante's detail was excellent. This has just shown us all how much research they do on each and every model prior to production.

I think I've looked at 1000's of logo's and stuff - still no the wiser.

Grubby

[Kiwiracing]

I agree Grubby, I too have spent a few hours hunting around but to no avail. I remember the DJR car in Wellington where I was a Grid marshall, and I'm sure I would have had a pic of the Sierra, but those are mostly long gone.

Richard what are you going to do if stumped come production time, I guess you could put a question mark in a yellow circle!:D

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Kiwiracing]

I don't believe it, I found my pic's from 1988/9. I have about 5-6 of DJR at Wellington, and would you believe it they are either the side or front, no rear photo's, oh I have come sooooo close to having a Sierra prototype next to my Kiwi racers!

Damn Damn Damn.

Maybe Admin could make say 15-16 Prototypes each with a different logo so each of us could have one!

Cheers
Kiwiracing:(

[brchi17]

I'd be happy with that kiwi !!!

I must have spent about 4-5 hours looking at home & that much time again searching the web for that bloody sticker.

It least if anything, I just makes us all appreicate the effort Biante goes to for each & every model they produce.

I guess it just explains why their models are sooooo good.

cheers.:D

[Xcesiv308]

Well I have kept an eye on this page in the many hours that I to have spent trying to find some kind of hopeful information on this mysterious logo,, I have searched the net for hours like many of you others, I have sent out numerous emails to likely companies,, many with no replies. (disappointing) and I have looked through all my related magazines and books, video tapes, I went to the library, went to the local magazine/video trade shop..contacted older friends of that era to see if they had anything on it,, but all to no avail.. like the rest of you guys I can't believe one logo on not just one but a few cars from 88 to 90 could be so damn hard to come up with,, but let me say this guys,, don't give up,, THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE,, :D

Keep Hunting.. someone will claim the trophy with a story to tell their grandkids in years to come..:)

Tys

[BATHURSTFAN]

I still think its something to do with an award of some type, the sticker is a replica of a medal or something connected to do with the cars - either manufacturing or racing award.

Can't be anything to do with the 1988 Olympics, Bicentenary or Brisbane Expo '88 as it was on the the Corollas and Sierras 1988 -90.

ADMIN - On the 1990 2hr Bathurst Highlights video it comes up on the ANZ Moffat car when car comes into the pits (about half way, just before the DJR Sierra retired) and the camera pans along the lower side of the car and the logo is right there but its too quick to understand it.

Now if it was DVD it would be much more clearer to see on pause.

[SWRT]

The cover of the video of the doco of "Moffat-the man and the mountain" has a clear picture of the side of Moffs 88 Sierra and THAT STICKER can be seen clearly not blurry.
I colour copy the cover and give it to Richard at the Adelaide dinner and with a magnifying glass you could probably read if clearly.

[Richard Poole]

Thanks SWRT but we already have that picture (and the original slide it was taken from) and it isn't clear enough to read. The logo may look ok but the car was in motion when the picture was taken so the logo is very blurry.

The original pic I posted in this thread is from the original slide.

[Xcesiv308]

So the hunt for the logo is still on,, and the prototype still up for grabs ..:D

[chups]

i was looking at the pics on this thread and noticed that the pic posted by richard has the mystery logo close to the names where as the pic posted by frosty has the cams logo inbetween the mystery logo and the names. is this because they are different sides of the car?
also the brock 88 bmw bathurst car has a little yellow sticker on the front quarter. maybe this was a compulsory sticker or something. but ill keep looking.

[RSSierra]

Richard

I have the Roo Decal 1/24th Decal sheet for the 1989 Bathhurst Moffat ANZ Sierra.

Roo decal have did not include the decal you are after on their sheet. However they do recommend "Racing Car News Vols June & November 1989 and Number One, Motorsports magazine Vol 1 No5" as a source of "excellent colour photos of the various Ford Sierras in action.

Maybe Roo Decal have the close ups you need.

Happy Hunting

[Esses]

I can't help much with this one, but World Expo '88 has been mentioned a few times. I worked at Expo '88 for all 6 months plus 2 of training & I can't recall anything like this logo/sticker around the joint. As I recall, the main Expo logo had a fair bit of green in it. Hope this narrows the field somewhat.

[SWRT]

If anyone has a 1988 Bathurst annual book there might be some clear shots of the mysterous logo in it.

[chups]

Ive checked my 88 racing annual over and over and over but cant find any clear shots.
i decided to ask my girlfriends dad (hes a bit older than me) and he seems to think it was some sort of affiliation with dunlop. or it may have been something to do with a minor sponsor on the dunlop cars. i dont know but its another thing to think about. maybe we're getting closer.

[yoda]

I'm not sure on this but it does look very similiar to Australian compliance stickers that were around in that era.
Could've been for the industry they were in or maybe one of thier sponsers.
Something like ISA900 or ASA9000, the company I worked for at the time went throught it and I have a memory of thinking why would it be on one of the Bathurst cars.
Anyway hope this helps and isn't a totally wacked suggestion.:D

[BATHURSTFAN]

Like I said in my previous post, the Bathurst Highlight 2hr Video of 1990 around lap 90/91 the camera pans along the bottom half of the car past the logo - twice.

If someone had access to good quality TV/video equipment, I'm sure they would be able to read it. Its just too blurry on pause for me to see.

[Graeme]

The mystery decal placement was altered on Moffat's 1988 car sometime between Saturday's qualifying run and Sunday's race.

Moff's 1990 #10 car ran a similar decal placement to the 1988 car, but it's 1990 sister #9 car did not feature the frustrating yellow blob.

The sponsor didn't get his money's worth then but might do sometime this century ???

[jager]

I'm enjoying the challenge as well. I thought someone would have found it by now, but amazingly not !

Has anyone thought about the Bilstein logo (shock absorbers). The Bilstein logo has featured on many cars since the 1970's. Its also a black and yellow logo in the shape of a circle that is sometimes but not always accompanied by an adjoining blue rectangle with the word 'Bilstein'.

Obviously the missing logo is not the standard Bilstein logo, but perhaps 1988 marked some form of company anniversary, or perhaps the logo was changed to celebrate a win at LeMans, a WRC event or somewhere similar. Hope this helps ?

You can see the logo here :-

http://www.bilstein.com.au

[Kiwiracing]

Richard - has the "Ford at the Great Race" DVD been checked?

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[nick]

does anyone know where the actual car is??

[Xcesiv308]

well after spending most of the weekend looking through a friends massive collection of bathurst books, magazines, Tooheys 1000 programmes and watching quite alot of video footage, even the MOFFAT-The Man & The Mountain,. I have come up with that this logo looks much like the LUK logo that is on the drivers suits etc,, The centre of the logo looks very much like the letters LUK,, which I think is a manufacturer of clutches especially race clutches and lubricants.. So what is everyones thoughts on this..

On another note,,. very sad to hear of the passing of Barry Sheen, a loss of a great ambassador for motor sport..

Regards

Tys

[Xcesiv308]

Why has all gone quite on this subject,, have there been any further results Admin...???

r/Tys

Whhoooo the big 100 posts..

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Xcesiv308
Why has all gone quite on this subject,, have there been any further results Admin...???

Possibly because some of us has spent many, many hours looking throught programs, books, magazines videos & the www, with still no answer.

I for one spent about 8 hours looking for this blastid label, but they're was no success.

I suppose you could blame many of us spending our weekend watching the grand prix as well !!!:D

Good luck to whoever finds it, but this little black duck is giving up the search, as I spent so much time at home & on works time searching that I really need to do some of the work I get paid for.

cheers.

[Xcesiv308]

Well your sure not in the boat alone... but to use your works time to pursue the case of the mystery round, yellow logo,, shame on you.. :D
Anyhow I am not giving up,, I don't give up easy on things that annoy me,, plus, there is a great incentive for the lucky one who coms up with the answer, anyhow hopefully we will get a result soon, before all us collectors are put in an asylm..:(

r/ Tys

[brchi17]

The only reason I'm having a rest from the search is that I have run out of places to look for this rotten yellow circle !!!

Oh yea their is a mountain of work starting to stack up as well, which I need to get through !!!

cheers.

[Xcesiv308]

yes I can appreciate what your saying.. it does seem as though it has ground to a halt.. I have been trying all sorts of things to enhance the few pics that abt of this logo,, even took the Moffat tape to a friend who has some pretty high tech macro gear, but with no great results,.. at one point it did look as though the letters in the centre of the logo said ABC which from memory the ABC were doing alot of wraps on Moffat leading up to Tooheys that year.. I sent them of an email,, but like alot of others I have sent,, there has been no replies...
I thought ADMIN might have had an update of some kind for us,, in regards to how their searching is proceeding...

Anyhow I will not give up til the GAME IS OVER :D

r/TYS

[chups]

i know its not biantes style, but they could just make up a sticker for it as noone seems to be able to find out what it is then they cant prove them wrong. but then someone would pipe up and post a pic of it after the model is made. seems like a bit of a pickle. i think it looks sort of like this :o maybe they could just put that on the car.
..........the search continues (and im not even a ford man)

[XR8Man1]

To be honest a little sticker on a part of the car hardly anyone looks at, is pretty pointless in having, i appreciate Biante's detail and everything, to to sound as bunt as possible, if noone said anything about it i wouldn't know about it and to be honest couldn't really care, onb the other hand, good luck to the person who finds it, it will be well worth it for you.

[wacpt]

Unfortunately there are collectors out there who constantly make it known if the tiniest detail isn't correct. So I guess we'll have to keep looking to keep them happy.

I for one put the moffat DVD and Ford Bathurst video through my Computer and enhanced the images from the tape and DVD direct, unfortunately, the camera either panned to quickly or the car was moving faster than the camera was panning and couldn't get a clear enough shot of it. Can't enhance an image that doesn't have the detail to start with.

Someone must have a clear photo somewhere.

Good luck

[SS Commodore]

Just a question to wacpt if you could tell me were you get the Moffat DVD from, I'm very interested but have only heard it was comming, but haven't seen it released. If you email me it would be appreciated.

*** I know this is off the subject sorry ***

[BATHURSTFAN]

http://www.ezydvd.com.au/mech/search.zml?id=1fnSx% 3Ad0Fhb&f=title&q=moffat


this the 1988 Moffat Video

[wacpt]

Bathurstfan
Bingo. Got it last Friday

[Richard Poole]

Ray Berghouse has given us another pic of the offending logo which is much clearer and could jog someones memory. It still isn't clear enough to read what is written around the outside however the centre is much clearer.

Don't give up guys, the prototype is still up for grabs.

[the_goldie]

still hard to read... looks like 100 in the middle with either a funny looking $ sign or an s???
now we can try to work out the words as we can see there are 6 words around the top.

[XU-123]

I always thought the "funny looking $ sign" was the much often used boxing kangaroo logo - but what the rest is I have no idea.

[gk1]

Have you tried Phase Three Posters in Sydney? He has the Ian Smith Collection and could well have that photo you are looking for. Can't wait till the model is released!

[Martin Thomas]

geez, I dont know if its just me, but I recon that in the middle of the sticker its the distinctive double "O's" of the Hankook tire brand. I found a site and emailed them for any answers but the email bounced. Frpm what I saw in my search Hankook started out in the late 80's. I wonder if its worth chasing up.:confused:

[chups]

yes the OO looks like the hancook OO but i think its more likely to be a 100th anniversary for something. i was looking around and found that the first pneumatic tyre was invented in 1888 by Scottish-born John Boyd Dunlop so 1988 wound of been the 100th anniversary of this. also under the '100' it looks like there is something written in a cursive script font. possibly anniversary but i dont know what relevencs the 's' has to this. i also think that the 's' is a thick s with a black shaddow.
dont give up, we'll get there.

[yoda]

Is it possible that it says BOC in the middle. It looks like it may have the outline of some yachts and the Whitbread BOC round the world yacht race was on that year.
Could BOC have been a sponsor of Moffat back then.:confused:

Hey guys,

Not sure if this can help but I have found a web site, & they sell COMPLETE sticker/decal packs for model cars. 1/24 & 1/32 scale.


Here is the web site.
http://www.mondialtec.com/mondiadecal1.htm

Not sure what language it is all in but on the page they have for sale a 'Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 Gp A - ANZ - Allan Moffat' sticker set.

Now they have no pictures on the site but I am sure if you asked you could find out if they have the one you want.

[dgm1968]

Another line of thought, could the squiggly line be a number 3, like the first number of victorian radio stations?

Just a thought
Derek

[Malik]

MadMaximus....

I tried a site like that early on in the Quest for the Sponsor and unfortunately the picture they had for the car in question didnt include that particular sticker....

[admin]

After the longest thread on the Forum, and countless hours of searching, the problem logo was finally identified today and we will have the actual logo tomorrow night in Adelaide.
Our thanks to everyone who helped and we will announce the winner (finder) next week when I get it in my hot little hand.
Admin

[Grubby]

Congratulations to the lucky winner.

I wonder how long this person spent searchiong for the answer.

Good job anyway.

Biante should do something like this more often. I spent hours unsuccesfully looking for this sticker like many others, but the search was enjoyable.

Grubby

[V8SS]

Admin,
Can you post a picture of the logo when you get it so we can all be put out of our misery. Great idea offering the prototype too. Some lucky person out there will have a one of a kind model.

[brchi17]

Gee I hope after all this the prototype has a copy of the offending sticker/logo on it !!!:D

Congrats to whoever found the logo & I hope you enjoy your prize.

I think all of know they have earned it, as we all know much time many of us have spent looking for this particular logo.

cheers.

ps Richard, looks like you've missed out on another prototype !!!:D

[Esses]

Congrats to the eventual winner, but ADMIN, can you not at least tell us what the damn thing is!? We can't all get to Adelaide, & I'm BUSTING with curiosity.

[Malik]

hehe.. I bet the winner was actually Moffat who found the real car still sittin in the back of the garden shed where he thought he left it after the race....


Congrats to the winner :)

[KiwiRallyFan]

Originally posted by Malik
hehe.. I bet the winner was actually Moffat who found the real car still sittin in the back of the garden shed where he thought he left it after the race....

...that's one way of getting free models of your race car....:D

[Kiwiracing]

Damn should have checked my backyard shed!:D

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Esses]

I looked in mine, & NO race-car!

[BATHURSTFAN]

I know its been found, but what is the latest on this one

Who is the winner?

[BATHURSTFAN]

I know its been found, but what is the latest on this one

Who is the winner?

At least I can rest easy now at night:D

[admin]

We have just walked in from getting back from Adelaide.
There will be a large scanned pic on here tomorrow.

[Richard Poole]

Well guys, here it is!.

After everyone searching for hours on end trying to locate the logo in the hope of securing a prototype for their collection the logo was found stuck to a locker at Stuckey Tyres that had been there since 1988.

Thanks to everyone that got involved in the search and congratulations to John Croker who will be parking a prototype 1988 Moffat Sierra in his collection.

[Grubby]

Thanks Richard.

Nice to know what we were are searching for.

Grubby

[the_goldie]

Well there you go... Congrats to John lucky bloke! It all looks so clear now. Why couldn't anyone get that from the first image posted...hehe...

Now we can all rest easy at night :D

Will this logo be on the prototype?

[terrine]

whatever you do dont put it on B/S/S:D

r/peter

[Leigh]

Congratulations to John.

was looking around and found that the first pneumatic tyre was invented in 1888 by Scottish-born John Boyd Dunlop so 1988 wound of been the 100th anniversary of this

Does chups get a consolation prize for his rather accurate guess?

[Nick Short]

Now we know what it is, it's funny looking back to see what people thought it might be (I didn't have a clue so didn't even try!) - the picture of Mr Dunlop was variously thought to be the letter S or a kangaroo, which might have upset his wife, who probably thought it was a great picture of him. I'd never heard of Stuckey tyres - how well-known are they in Oz?

[admin]

Stuckey Tyre Service are and always have been the Distributor for Dunlop racing tyres in Australia, so quite a large concern, but usually stick to the worldwide Dunlop format for any advertising.
If chups reminds us when or if he gets the model, or sends a stamped addressed envelope, we will send him the scanned pic that solved it all.
Admin

[chups]

cool, a consolation prize could i pick it up from triking? its great to know my girlfriends dad can remember that long ago. pitty he couldnt remember more accuritely that it had mr dunlop on it.

[Kiwiracing]

First time I have had a chance to see the winning logo, well done to John.

Admin I suggest you make a few extra models as this may prove to be a fairly sort after model considering all the time a lot of us spent looking for that elusive logo!!!

Cheers

Kiwiracing.