Parity adjustment required

[SS Commodore]

Well the race hasd started BA way out in front, to good. There needs to be a parity adjustment quick. Ingall's BA 1st, Morris 1st of the VY's in 19th or something. What can be done. Front wing clip, Engine rev limit lowered, add weight. What will AVESCO do??
Maybe Skaife will slip off a few more times. A proper championship!

[ET351]

Good one SS. Expect that from a Holden fan;) :p

What was it, 7 of the top 10 were Fords? YEEHAAA!!!!

Even though it's early days, the signs are good. Perhaps we won't see a HRT procession this year. I'm glad Russell won today in the mighty BA, but even more glad to see a bunch of different drivers coming to prominence in the racing so far. I hope the trend continues.

[Esses]

I have nothing (as a Brockaphile) against HRT, but, gee wasn't it good to see some DIFFERENT cars up the front & some real racing going on.

[SWRT]

Ford wanted parity adjustment done on VX's in 2001 and 2002 but AVESCO highreichy left it the way it was,HRT wipping everyone.
It was great to see a different car driving ahead of the rest and I hope it stays that way.

[Malik]

Im a Holden supporter and I gotta say at this point there isnt a parity adjustment needed... considering most of the VY's out there are modified VX's from last year... from what I read the only tru VY's running are the Team Dynamik cars.. all the rest are modded only.. HRT-VX car with VY and Blueprint parts. Tanders car is VX with the Aurora donk...

SS Commodore.. as sad as it is that Ingall won the race and most of the top places are fords.(I did say I support Holden so yeah. its a SAD day) give the Holden boys time to sort it all and get the complete new cars up and running..

we wont mention that Ingall's win in the second race was reward from some not so nice driving on his part in the first that he should have been penalised for IMO but wasnt.. so... let them have their NON-points round win and wait until the serious racing starts....

on a side-note... wasnt the Parity rules supposed to give the advantagous parts to both makers? cos if it was I wanna meet the guy that gave the double-wishbone front to Holden and slap him upside the head.. IT SUCKS!!! hell.. give ford the mcphersons for all I car but give them back to HOLDEN so they can get back to serious racing and not waste tires like the AU's did last year....

talk about knobbling the Holdens for Ingall to have a chance...

[mustang1966]

Gezzz I always thought the Holden teams wanted the double wishbone front. One demo round and the tune suddenly changes. There were never any problems in the AU car, it was just lazy Ford teams to needed to lift their acts, correct?

We are still waiting on the Aurora Engine package as well. I guess most teams will not be running the Blurprint spec engine package untill mid year when all the bugs are ironed out.

Well done to team Dynamic and GRM with Garth Tander. He have taken a risk and are now running the full spec VY package.

I love the word "Knobbed" whenever it is mentioned I just have to think of 2 things EB and EL :rolleyes:

[brchi17]

Originally posted by SS Commodore
Well the race hasd started BA way out in front, to good. There needs to be a parity adjustment quick.

You Holden guys have had 5 years of a suggested parity in V8's & after losing 1 race you start calling for changes. :(

Try being a Ford supporter for the past 5 years & I'm sure, you would think that parity is a joke. Avesco is run by Mark Skaife/HRT & a win is something that used to happen in the past !!!

I think you need to wait a while untill all of the new cars have had their bugs sorted out before we start calling for the umpire to step in. Say in about 12 months time after everyone is in the new cars & are starting to come to grips with the new differences of each vehicle.

Anyway, even Skaife said HRT were using the AGP as a testing session & so I would not expect a lot from them if this was the case. Anyway, what was the front row of the grid on Friday ???

Wasn't it Holden 1st & 2nd ????

Just because they couldn't turn this qualifying form into results into a win, surely does not justify a parity adjustment ???

Where has all the common sence gone ?????

cheers.

[mustang1966]

Good post Brad,

Us die hard Ford fans have stuck with the sport over the past 5 years, and yes it has been very hard, well 25 years of DJR for me.

If there is a parity difference between the 2 cars, then it will sort the Die hard Holden fans out from the Sheep. Then again we are preaching to the Die Hard Holden fans in here. These Holden fans will stick to the sport, just as we have over the many years.

The VY will not be a bad car like the AU was supposed to be. We have seen 2 races and it is a little early to make comments on the VY.

[Malik]

brchi... whats the deal man? I said in the first line I am a Holden fan and didnt think at this stage any parity adjustment was needed cos the cars are brand spankin new and will have their problems and just need the time and effort to sort them out...

if it takes 12 months for the big red machine to get back out front and win races then so be it... if Ford wins the 03 championship.. more power to them.. gotta let them have something every now and then ya know... and like one of you said.. HRT was using the AGP for some tracktesting time .. Im sure come Adelaide things may very well be different..


as for 'die hard HRT fans stickin with the racing'... yes.. I will be sticking with the racing.. yes I will be sticking with HRT come win or lose... I dont change who I follow based on who is leading a race...

[Ford Boy]

Malik, i think if you read his quote, Brchi was directing it more at SS commodore than you brother.... also, i think come adelaide, we may well see a return of "the big red machine". Keep in mind that with a backing as big as prodrive and with the ford factory finally getting involved, and from what we've seen from stone brothers and russel ingall so far, we may see ford be abundatly more competitive that last year. I might be wrong, but that just my thoughts. Cheers.

[Tony Soprano]

Im confused brchi17, you say you are a ford fan yet didnt you recently order a new VY?

[69Mach1]

Originally posted by Tony Soprano
Im confused brchi17, you say you are a ford fan yet didnt you recently order a new VY?

I think from memory it was a SV8 VY , lot of car for the money at around the $40000 mark. I dont think Ford could match an equivalent from the BAU Falcon .

[BATHURSTFAN]

As usual these Ford Vs Holden threads get serious:p

[Acj428]

Once again when mark skaife is put under presure in the back of a pack he loses it......;) LOL

[Glen Alexander]

I think SS Commodore's remark was a bit of sarcasm guys. I think it's good to finally see the Fords being a bit more competitve, how well did Bargs do yesterday for his first run in the Falcon.

[oldxr]

Acj428, you noticed that to, just like sandown last year.
On Parity, If FORD keep winning why can't we wait say 5 years not 12 months for an adjustment just like they have done in the past, although sadly i can see one coming a lot sooner than that.

[the_goldie]

I know this thread started off with tongue in cheek, but seriously people after 2 races (the 3rd race was not even classified as a race) it was 1 win Holden 1 win Ford and I am sure most teams used it as a test.

Ingall had a great drive in the 2nd race and also looking the same way in the 3rd, but can you seriously see a parity change again so soon?

If Ford start winning races and rounds good on them, its been a while but not all BAs went as well as Ingall, can't people give the drivers credit when they do actually go well. Drivers/cars have bad days too so lets see how they all go in Round 1 in 2 weeks.

I must say the racing seemed alot closer than usual between all cars VX/VY/AU/BA.

[SS Commodore]

Yes. I started it tounge in cheek, although I drivr a 'SS' I like to watch car racing, to see something else out in front is great (EVEN IF IT IS A FORD) I support car racing, I'd like to see Lowndes/Seton win Bathurst this year. And hopefully the front end of the ford stay together long enough to win somwe races. As parity goes and for the racing I'd like to see the wings go then get them sliding, passing, and hitting a bit more.

Well Hope this season isn't over in the first few racers like past years!!

[chups]

id like to see the group A rule re-introduced, the cacing was alot more exciting. but that will never happen as there ia too much money in V8s these days.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by 69Mach1


I think from memory it was a SV8 VY , lot of car for the money at around the $40000 mark. I dont think Ford could match an equivalent from the BAU Falcon .

Yes I have ordered a SV8, why. My past EL Falcon is the reason. A nice car but a lack of quality parts which have caused 4 road side brake downs which were the final straw.

Yes, I was intending to purchase a Barra (in fact I actually waited 12 months before getting rid of the EL to see the Barra, with the hopes of purchasing one) & yes, I did test drive one & yes I was impressed with the way it drove !!!

Look back over some of my previous posts & you'll find my reasons for choosing the SV8 over the Barra.

I genuinly hope the Barra is a fantastic road car, but I want a new car now & I'm afraid I can't wait another few years to see what happens with the Barra. Only time will tell !!!

If you also look over some of my post about the V8's you would have read the following.

I support
#1 DJR
#2 FORD
Holden - NEVER !!!

It was not an easy decision to order the SV8 (because it was a Holden & I had quite a few sleepless nights thinking about it) but it's done now & I'll just have to live with it.

Who knows, I may just like it.

In fact I did enjoy driving the SV8 & to be honest, it has been the only car I have really enjoyed driving lately that said the magical buy me !!! & so I did.

As for being a Ford fan driving a Holden (when it arrives) I'm sure there are quite a few Holden fans driving Fords & vice versa !!! I kind of liken it to an Essendon fan going to watch the Collingwood Carlton match. While it may not be the faviourite, it still worth a look.

I believe that the current Holden is one of the best cars on the road & in 5 years time when I due for another car, well then I may return to the Blue Oval.

I hope this sheds some light onto the subject & has answers your comments,

cheers.:D

[Malik]

Ya know Brchi... owning and driving a Holden is the first step in a diabolical plan to slowly convert you to supporting Holden and HRT also....

[XR8]

Originally posted by Malik
Ya know Brchi... owning and driving a Holden is the first step in a diabolical plan to slowly convert you to supporting Holden and HRT also....

I can't wait to take my friends' SV8 for a good cane, just to see if it's anywhere near my classic XD..............

Seriously, I've been driving a few VY Rent-a-rockets, and I have to admit they are quite good to drive..
Try as hard as I might, I can't beat that damn traction control! :P
Haven't managed to get my backside into a BA of any description for a drive yet, but I'm sure the opportunity will present itself.

As for buying either?? Nope, sorry. Not in the next few years at least, gotta get the house paid for!!

Ed :)

[Oh Five]

You poor old ford fans, having a hard "past 5 years", try being a Hawthorn supporter !!. 1983 to 1991 being in every Grand Final (except 90) and since then they havent done much at all.
Dont forget you blokes had a good run in the late 80's with your sierra's (Honda civic's on steroids).
Ford Vs Holden....... Dont ya just love it
:D :p

[Martin Thomas]

Heard it all before when ambrose won pole a coupla years back....


Oh five, tell me about it..... Maybe this year. Will be interesting to see how Spider influences all the youngsters.

[Blown351]

you have got to remember that the commodores have just changed their front suspension n thats something the need to get used to, skaife would have been much further up the field had he not spun out, and ford copped a parity problem for five years, the AU would have been lucky to win as many races over five years as the VT/VX did in one season

[brchi17]

I noticed no one has said anything about how fast Skaife went through the field on Sunday's 2 lap dash.

Seriously, he must of pased at least 1/2 a dozen cars as it looked as thought he was around 6th when the race was stopped.

I can't remember where he started race 3 from but it appeared he was storming throught when the red flag came out. Just as well I think as I'm sure he would have won the race if it had run its' full lenght.

food for thought,

cheers.:D

[Malik]

bit of a side thought here... Ive heard alot of people around where I live and stuff saying that they think the parity rules are just gonna turn the V8 series into another stock car series like the NASCAR in the states...

opinions?

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Malik
bit of a side thought here... Ive heard alot of people around where I live and stuff saying that they think the parity rules are just gonna turn the V8 series into another stock car series like the NASCAR in the states...

opinions?

I just hope they don't get them to race of oval circuts as we all know how popular they now are !!!:D

I hope they don't go down the standard chassis theory, like nascar. I find it hard to work out who is who during a nascar race (perhaps this just means i need to watch more races) as it is.

They all look the same as it is only their fake headlights which tend to separate them from each other.

cheers.:D

[Malik]

naw I dont mean the "drive fast turn left" theory that seems to define the NASCAR race track.. Im talking more on the fact that under the parity rules the cars are being brought more to being the same basic car underneath with the "fake headlights" to tell them apart...

[BATHURSTFAN]

Whilst I like NASCAR, I hope we never see it here.

Those fake headlights got me, I hope we never see stickers on a car substituting for the real thing like in NASCAR.

[Malik]

dont get me wrong I like nascar too.. to an extent.. I mean for what it is it is great.. from the start was "stock" car racing was mean to be just that.. stock cars.. leaving the actual skill in the drivers hand to be the quickest and the best and win the race.. not having it being 50 percent driver and 50 percent car setup..

v8 supercars are the opposite though. its always been the manufacturers battle to be the beast.. wether it be the older racing when nissan and toyotas and stuff were in it and now the battle between ford and holden.. to me it would be a bit pointless to make it stock car racing with a generic brand car with stickers to say what it is and replace things like headlights and grills and stuff..

[Nick Short]

On my dusty screen at work this thread looked like "Panty adjustment required".....That's what happens when you spend too much time sat in front of your computer.....

[Mooseman]

Nick, sounds like you're reading what you want to read, not whats actually written!!! Get you're mind out of the gutter!!

[BATHURSTFAN]

Nick

I see you got your letter published in Australian Muscle Car No 6.

Glenn

[Nick Short]

Yes, although it wasn't written to be published, just to thank the editorial team for putting me out of my misery! I guess they printed it as an antidote to the probably hundreds of letters they got telling them they were talking out of their behind (like all the emails I got after my request for info in Unique Cars)...

And Mooseman - I'm a Pom, so that's how our minds work. Have you never watched Benny Hill? We're all like that:D

[Mooseman]

So am I Nick, and yes - seen Benny Hill many a time - love the show!!!

[Paull]

"bit of a side thought here... Ive heard alot of people around where I live and stuff saying that they think the parity rules are just gonna turn the V8 series into another stock car series like the NASCAR in the states... "

Is it me or is the whole thing getting a bit generic. I dont want to hark on about the good old days it is just that nowadays it is hard to tell the cars apart. Way beack when it was very obvious (Falcon V Torana/Commodore) as well as the big Fords overtook everything down conrod and the Holdens went through the top of the mountain quicker.

For me parity really sucks!! It is so boring now and ardon my incredible ignorance but I only found out the day that the Fords are not going to be using the new engine/driveline -- boring. Is it just me or do others like to see a race prepped SS v. XR8 like in the Group C era etc??