Jps Bmw M3 #44

[David Towe]

I need some help. I'm told that one of the manufacturers had a run of the JPS Team BMW M3 in #44, is that correct? If so who made it, at what scale was it ( I'd prefer to get about 1:18th scale) and where might I find one?
Your help would be appreciated.
Cheers
David Towe

[My Element]

it may have been dinkum classics that did one, but im not 100% sure. I have seen one before, i just cant remember clearly who did it. If it is dinkum classics they were made to very low numbers, up to 99 only of each or less in some cases.

[00lowndes]

I think that is right. But they would only be 1:24 if they did. I think Binate have that in the pipeline in 1:18. I hope so as I really want this model in 1:18.

Maybe Chris from Biante can confirm

[My Element]

ohh i thought they were 1/18 and not 1/24, as ive never owned a dinkum model. 1/24 then they are then. Getting some info here anyway, all good.

[malscar]

I think that is right. But they would only be 1:24 if they did. I think Binate have that in the pipeline in 1:18. I hope so as I really want this model in 1:18.

Maybe Chris from Biante can confirm

Dinkum were mainly 1/43 with some stuff in 1/24.

There is also a 1/43 kit of the JPS M3 out there. Including a manufacturer in Melbourne.

[Chris Roche]

From our side, Autoart is doing the BMW, so I would expect middle of next year the M3 could roll along

[00lowndes]

Great news Chris. Can't wait. Keep the new shapes coming. loving the variety that Biante is doing at the moment

[David Towe]

That would be great Chris, will it be #44 as used at Bathurst in 1987? I now own that car and would love to have a good model of it as well.
Cheers
David

[bjsti7]

the actual car ? or just an 87 model ?

[gab73]

the actual car ? or just an 87 model ?

David owns the actual race car.

[grease]

Minus the extra layers of paint (25kg), or is that the other car?

[Nivola]

David own's two of them.

by the way David you have a PM

[singer]

David,

I've seen 3 M3's (1 x Mobil & 2 x JPS) in 1/18.

They were all well presented however I suspect they're all Code 3's.

I have a suspicion that the minichamps M3 was the base used.

[David Towe]

Code 3s ? Please explain???

[malscar]

Code 3 is a unauthorised conversion of a model. i.e it may have started as a Schnitzer ETCC car and been totally stripped and repainted etc.

[moxo]

David, you can call Mark Griffin at Model Cars Too in Sydney. He can arrange a repainted model in any livery you choose.

See you at MCM.



Moxo

[David Towe]

Thanks guys, I learn something every day! Will be at MCM with both cars and am looking forward to having a drive of the new one. I hope CAMS Historic people will be there as I'd love to put to rest the dispute over who has the ex Brock car once and for all. By the way I have it now, still in it's original JPS livery of #44, but it was Brock's 05 and 56 in 88.
Cheers
David

[My Element]

wow your a lucky man, is it staying in JPS colours or are you putting it back to the brock colours. cheers dave

[Road Runner 72]

Who will drive this one when the other is running......(I can get a helmet lol ;) )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/Motorsport/PIHistorics2010/PI-Historics2010-238.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/Motorsport/PIHistorics2010/PI-Historics2010-282.jpg

[My Element]

I have a helmet lol

[Graeme]

... I hope CAMS Historic people will be there as I'd love to put to rest the dispute over who has the ex Brock car once and for all. By the way I have it now, still in it's original JPS livery of #44, but it was Brock's 05 and 56 in 88.
Cheers
David

Curious ... does the car have 1988's evolution 6-speed gearbox ? My recollection is that Mobil 1 Racing had only the one car - Brock's car - competing as such in the 1988 Tooheys 1000.

[singer]

Curious ... does the car have 1988's evolution 6-speed gearbox ? My recollection is that Mobil 1 Racing had only the one car - Brock's car - competing as such in the 1988 Tooheys 1000.

Curiouser & Curiouser:confused:

I've seen a photo with 2 M3's in the Brock Workshop running with Mobil colours

[wayno]

Curious ... does the car have 1988's evolution 6-speed gearbox ? My recollection is that Mobil 1 Racing had only the one car - Brock's car - competing as such in the 1988 Tooheys 1000.

My memory is the same. The Brock car had the six speed and the second car had the five speed at Bathurst.

[moxo]

My memory is the same. The Brock car had the six speed and the second car had the five speed at Bathurst.

Brock had two of the 1987 cars (there were at least three, with Ludwig Finauer having a limited program). Both of Brock's cars ran Bathurst with Mobil colouring. Did Brock buy all three?

Now, one of the Brock cars later became a BMW Art Car, but which one? There are two M3s done by Australian Artists in the BMW Art Car collection - one by Ken Done and one by Michael Jagamara Nelson.



Moxo

[David Towe]

OK here we go.
At the end of 87 JPS handed their cars to BMW,
Brock did the deal with BMW to run the cars and went to choose which cars he wanted, naturally he chose the the 2 newest cars.
He took the newer of those 2 (the #44 from Bathurst 87) as his car and Richards had the other one (#45 Bathurst 87?).
For the enduros they used Brock's car and put a Prodrive 6 speed in it for Bathurst 88 that cost Brock $28,000 and the other car retained the original 5 speed.
When Brock's deal with BMW ended acrimoniously at the end of 88 Brock returned the cars to BMW who always owned them as they were when he picked them up ie. 5 speeds fitted. Brock owned the spares and retained them, including the 6 speed box.
The cars went to Cotter and Doulman who owned one each in 1989 and to Paul Nelson and Justin Mathews in 94 as Supertourers.
Mine then went to Nick Rahimtulla in WA then to me this year.
The other car went to NZ and was brought back into OZ by one J Richards esquire a couple of years ago then to Jervis Ward in Melbourne who has it now.
I'm interested in the comment of one of the Brock cars became an "Art Car" Moxo, what makes you say it was a Mobil car and not both ex JPS?
Cheers
David

[AmonFan]

There were 3 Mobil Bimmers at a few of the Amscar meet's and at least the NSW ATCC rounds with Neil's on Wheels in the cockpit...

[moxo]

Good point David.

Hmm - it looks like both cars were black to start with. I saw them in late 1988 - while Brock presumably still had 'his' two.

How many JPS cars were there, then? If Brock had three, there must have been at least five. There was one Schnitzer car I think, and the others were all built by Frank Gardner.

The plot thickens!



Moxo

[racer69]

There was 6 i think, all Gardner JPS built; (the B&H 2.5ltr cars were ex-Schnitzer weren't they?)

Two were built in time for the first ATCC round
A third was built in time for the first AMSCAR round
Richards debuted another new car at Lakeside (ATCC rd3) i think?
Richards debuted another at the second AMSCAR round
Then there were two new cars for Bathurst

Before the end of the ATCC one had been sold to Trevor Crowe and another to John Sax.

In early 1988 Ludwig Finaur drove a Plaspak-backed car at Amaroo (one assumes this was the same car that he drove with Radisich at Bathurst)

The Mobil team got the third BMW before the third Amaroo meeting (Crompton had taken over each of the other two cars at previous AMSCAR rounds)... Peter Mckay mentions this one as being ex-JPS as well.

[spolyhronidis]

extract from the BMW Art Car book:

"the Michael Jagamara Nelson M3 - in 1987 Tony Longhurst won the Australian AMSCAR championship for the JPS-BMW team. in 1988 it was entered by the Mobil 1 racing team driven by Peter Brock, and in some events by Neil Crompton.

the Ken Done M3 was raced in 1987 by Jim Richards winning the Championship that year. It only raced once in 1988."

[racer69]

extract from the BMW Art Car book:

"the Michael Jagamara Nelson M3 - in 1987 Tony Longhurst won the Australian AMSCAR championship for the JPS-BMW team. in 1988 it was entered by the Mobil 1 racing team driven by Peter Brock, and in some events by Neil Crompton.

the Ken Done M3 was raced in 1987 by Jim Richards winning the Championship that year. It only raced once in 1988."

The BMW book will need an edit, it was Jim Richards who won the 1987 AMSCAR Series.

Longhurst did win the 1986 AMSCAR Series in a 325i BMW though

[NO.5HDT]

Here's the 325i:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Specialist-cars/Competition-cars/auction-295388444.htm

[fatty]

That's another car for your collection David.

[Peter Minahan]

That's another car for your collection David.

I think he may have owned it before upgrading to M3s

[David Towe]

There were 6 JPS M3s, only one of which was from a motorsport shell. That one is still in NZ and should be here soon. It was the car Crowe and Tulloch ran in Viacard sponsorship at Bathurst. All the others were Gardner built cars and my first one was built form the spare 325 shell. The new one I have was the last to be log booked and was #44 at Bathurst in 87.

No I didn't Peter. The 323 I had was the white car driven by Longhurst in the 86 AMSCAR series and was later sold to Brian Bollwell who ran it in selected rounds of the ATCC and a few Bathursts. He rolled it at the end of Conrod and finished up in pit straight on its' side. When interviewed later he said he wasn't getting enough coverage for his sponsors Kitten Car Polishes so he had to do something to get some attention. That car is now in NZ (Christchurch) and still racing.

The 325 being offered for sale there now is the genuine item although clealry both the seller and Michael Spies here in OZ believe they have the 86 AMSCAR winner. I heard somewhere it may have a 2.7 litre engine in it at the moment.

[Peter Minahan]

My apologies David. That's what you get for relying on memory rather than checking things.

[David Towe]

No probs Peter, the white 323 was a sweet car, we had so much fun and it was ultra reliable and much cheaper to run than the M3. I miss that car, but I do like the extra performance I've got now.

[singer]

No probs Peter, the white 323 was a sweet car, we had so much fun and it was ultra reliable and much cheaper to run than the M3. I miss that car, but I do like the extra performance I've got now.

Minus the extra $$$ it costs to run;)

[David Towe]

Minus the extra $$$ it costs to run;)

True, it's a little expensive this motor racing thing, but don't tell the wife please.

[AmonFan]

True, it's a little expensive this motor racing thing, but don't tell the wife please.

LOL i remember a guy at Eastern Creek with a brand new 250cc international Superkart, he told me he had told his bank manager that it was a boat;)

[Maq]

A fella I know races the worlds fastest kitchen. MV Augusta :p

[grease]

A fella I know races the worlds fastest kitchen. MV Augusta :p

How fast can it cook eggs. lol

[moxo]

Someone once said that the bank won't lend you money to go racing, but it will to buy furniture.



Moxo

[AmonFan]

Someone once said that the bank won't lend you money to go racing, but it will to buy furniture.



Moxo

Well the cockpit is often referred to as the office, so it makes sense ;)

[singer]

True, it's a little expensive this motor racing thing, but don't tell the wife please.

That's why my Son & I collect Diecast :D (don't tell The Minister for War & Finance:o)

See you at MCM