Ford Wins

[Bernie]

Hooray!! Ford wins again!! 2 in a row. Good on ya Ambrose:D And Skaife had the excuses.......tyres this time HHAAHAHAHAH
What will tomorrow bring?

[ferrari fan]

Originally posted by Bernie
What will tomorrow bring?


Simple; A FERRARI WIN, M. Schumacher, in Malasya and hopefully Webber on the podium(FORD) together with Jos Verstappen Minardi (FORD)
What was that General Motors F1 team again???
:D

[Bernie]

Hey FF,
lets hope it dose not end like last time. Shui might cry:D
Popsicle of motorsport:p

[Ford Boy]

YEAH! GO FORD!

[Malik]

um.. scuse my ignorance of F1 racing and stuff.. I dont follow it.. but from what I do recall from the AGP..

didnt webber drive for JAGUAR....... I mean.. the cat.. the green car.. the name JAGUAR on the side sorta gave it away for me....

[BATHURSTFAN]

i think the point they are making is that JAGUAR is owned and powered by FORD.

Who else does Ford own ? Mazda....

[oldxr]

what do you rekon, time for a parity adjustment, all maybe we should just wait a year or five?

[jager]

What was that General Motors F1 team again???

The name of the General Motors F1 team is ...............FERRARI ! ! !

General Motors already owns 20 percent of Fiat Auto SpA (who in turn own Ferrari) and the Italian carmaker has an option to sell the rest to the world's biggest carmaker after 2004.

[GRPIII]

whilst being a diehard holden supporter, i was hoping skaife wouldnt catch ambrose, why you ask?
did anyone check sportstab price early last week?
at one stage i heard ambrose started at 26 bucks, i still managed to put 20 bucks down whilst he had odds of 20-1.
thankyou marcus or should i say thankyou to goose at sportstab who put one of the title contenders at such good odds.
might even back last on the grid for todays race, last to first on sunday seems a sure thing.

[Bangkok Bob]

From my understanding of it, the jaguar/ford F1 relationship goes a bit deeper than Fords ownership of Jaguar.

The Jaguar F1 Team used to be the Stewart Ford Team. With Ford taking full control of the team (buy out of Stewarts interest), they chose to promote the Jaguar name on the cars, whilst they were still running the Ford (Cosworth?) engines.

I assume that they are still running what is a ford engine that may also appear in other F1 cars (Is Minardi using the Cosworth engine this year?).

Sorry for my gaps in knowledge, but the telecast of the Friday, Saturday and Sunday F1 stuff has now gone to Chinese commentary over here so I don't have as much of an idea of whats going on any more. People may complain about poor commentary, but you should try it in Chinese.:p

[sboland]

Hang on....didnt skaife win the round at Adelaide?

[sapplebee]

Typical Ford sympathiser!!

They whinge and moan until AVESCO handicaps the Commodores enough that the Falcons are almost competitive. Then when a Falcon wins a race it's "Hooray... the race is a victory for the mighty Blue Oval, we're back on top where we belong!"

I'll let you in on a secret though, It was Commodores 1st, 2nd and 3rd in Adelaide despite Ford winning one of the legs.

Don't despair though, I've heard AVESCO are going to make the Commodores revert to a 253/Trimatic combo next year in the hopes it may 'even' things up a bit more. :D

[HDT 4 EVER]

he sure did even with all the adjustment's they had to make i have a suggestion instead of holden having to make all these adjustment's so ford can be competitive why don't the ford driver's drive a real v8 supercar a HOLDEN can't wait to see what restriction's they will give holden next

[Rodderz]

Here we go, more members of forums that don't have a clue about what they are actually following, no bias there...

While we're on it, why is it that the "all new, 5.0lt Chev aurora engine" out of the new VY V8 supercars is simply a chev engine based on the Ford spec SVO windsor engine. And the new double A-arm front suspension is off the Fords. Ford has a new chassis which for some has only been tested for a few hours, therefore will take longer to work out.

But i spose if Ford had a 6-car team they could all do 1 hr testing and get 6 hrs data from all of it, a lot more than any other team.
What a joke the V8 supercar series is at this point in time.

Oh yeah, the SS commodores on the track are simply a road car with fancy stickers and a guy in a helmet driving it...:rolleyes:

[HDT 4 EVER]

you ford people amaze me the rules have been changed and you still complain as for holden running ford front end's whose idea was that surely not holden's

[sapplebee]

Here we go, the 'Official Ford Excuse List' is being added to for the 1st time this year!

Firstly, IF the Aurora engine is a copy of the SVO Whinger engine, then it must be a bloody good one! I didn't see to many Falcons 'powering' past the Commodores down the straights.

Secondly, Fords super hi-tech double A-arm is that good that they've made AVESCO handicap the Commodores by using it. Mcpherson struts seemed to work alright for the past few years, just ask Skaifey!

Thirdly, Ford never finished 'developing' their old chassis. When can we expect this one to be sorted out?

And finally, Ford is well on it's way to a 6 car team with the 3 car 'Ford Performance Racing' team. Just a point of interest though, this team will find that they can gather more data by actually being mobile throughout a race instead of sitting on the sidelines and in the pits. :p

[admin]

As one sided as some members are, I have just spent 4 days straight in the bowels of most of the garages in Adelaide and I can assure you the only ones talking about parity, rules etc etc are the public.
The teams are all right on the ball and everyone is of the opinion that their car can win.
DJR this time last year had one car totally destroyed and the other only mediocre...this year Stevens car was on the pace all weekend and due to only 2 laps before a failure in practise, Max's car was always behind the 8 ball, but equally well set up and fast.
All 4 Betta cars ran like rockets all weekend, as did Kmart, HRT, Ozemail, Stone Bros etc etc.
A million things can and do go wrong, but once the flag falls, its up to all the team and the driver to get the thing over the line first. And then another million things can go wrong as we have all seen.
So I think we should all be happy that we have 35 odd top level cars in our major competition that put on a spectacular show.
Ford will win some and Holden will win some.
Neither car is as we can buy it, just as you can't buy any major race car and compare it to a road car equivalent.
On the front end, Holden have wanted to run this for 4 years but weren't allowed. Now in an attempt to even things up, they HAVE to use it.
To keep things as equal as possible, the BA front axle is moved forward 30mm and the rear axle moved forward 18mm, so the effort to get them dead equal is very far reaching and applied evenly to both brands.
And I think after seeing them in action over the weekend, its going to work.
So please give the one eyed opinions a rest for a while and enjoy what is going to be a brilliant years racing.

[Martin Thomas]

THANK YOU ADMIN....
The best car/team on the day will win. Ford, holden, audi, whatever. Please lets stop this looking for excuses as soon as the race is over and be happy something has been done. If there is a dominant team this year lets try to give credit where its due and hope the other teams lift thier game...

[Rodderz]

I agree, the season will be a cracker with closer racing, although i think next year will be even closer.
The point i was making is that most of Holden's dominance come from TWR (now broke and called HRO) from where there are now 6 cars, where they are only allowed 4 to be fair to the rest of the field.
This is where HRO have the wood over everyone else, having done testing in england last year with the new model (b4 they were allowed over here) then more testing this year (illegal testing) and look into the race results, where most of the top 10 are within this team. Sure, this is extremely good work by the team as they work hard to win, but in the whole scheme of things is unfair to everyone else. A lot of people are finding it boring (even holden fans) as the same faces are winnign week in week out.

Lets all hope the racing is more healthy this year, with a whole bunch of teams not just a couple. No excuses made for ford, they need to pull their finger out, but AVESCO needs to look long term

[Bernie]

Rodderz....what do you mean by Ford should pull there finger out!
They have done real good so far...haven`t they? Lets see what happens over the next few races shall we. You might be surprised buddy.

[admin]

Couple of facts.
There is no such thing as HRO.
The cars could not have gone to UK or even been tested last year as the parameters for the aero kit and front suspension was not finalised until January.
In fact I was at HRT on the first week of Feb and the first front suspension components were being machined.
At that stage, car #1 was all over the floor and car #2 didn't exist.
Hardly a head start.

[mustang1966]

So sapplebee,

the Holden teams did not want to double wishbone front end is that correct??????????????????

Do you also think that the major teams should be allowed to run as many cars as they wish. Let the series become a 2 horse race between Holden and the Prodrive backed team and bugger everyone else?????????????????????

Whoever has the money can do what they wish and screw all the smaller teams out there having a go, is that what you want.???????????????????????????

If the Aurora package is that great why is it that the Number 1 team is not running the package and it is left to Team Dynamik and GRM to run the engines?

[sapplebee]

Dear Mustang,

Please read my thread again. At no stage do I say that HRT use the Aurora engine! I simply responded to a claim that the Aurora is a copy of the SVO Windsor engine. Fact is, the Fords 'legendary Windsor' has been left behind for many years now.

Secondly, I didn't say that Holden didn't want the double wishbone front end. I simply stated that, going by race results over the past few years, the Strut front ends seemed to work fairly well! I'm afraid even Ford sympathisers can't argue with race results.

On a personal level, I'm not a big fan of this 'Project Blueprint'. I believe Ford has spent more time and money dragging Holden back to their level instead of improving the Falcons to be competitive. If we're not careful we'll end up like NASCAR's, same chassis, engine and suspension just with different fibreglass bodies to make the cars 'look' like real ones.

[Pedro]

I agree with Sapplebee I am sure if you give HRT a Falcon to race it would be up the top of the time sheets after a few races tuning the package. At the moment HRT work like a well oiled machine, mechanics/engineers and drivers work over problems they may have better than any other team and solve them better when they are at the race tracks.:)

[Rodderz]

Admin, wasnt aware that HRO didnt exist, i just remembered how a story in V8X magazine the start of the year reported that HRT, Kmart and team brock would merge under the HRO (Holden Racing Organisation) banner for a 6 car team. Now 2 of these cars are supposedly meant to be dropped as teams are only allowed to race 4. They also reported that HRT had a test car in england used for testing. True? Dunno but i'm saying it was printed.

The point i was making is that this 6 car team will make it very unfair to other team as they have more cars to get resuts from. But i aren't scared to admit HRT are the best, in terms of race drivers and race engineers, they have it worked out and work hard. I used to be a huge HRT fan, when i swapped to Ford after Lowndes swapped (i knew him) and the supporters..

Bernie, i wasnt referring to Ford not trying hard enough, i think they have done more than very good after the results of both the GP and Clipsal 500....they should be a force sooner than we all think! The new BA's are really taking off in the sales(I have one) and the racetrack will be the same!

[SWRT]

Which BA do you own Rodderz?
XT,XT V8,futura,fairmont,fairmont ghia,XR6,XR6T or XR8?

[GRPIII]

all this crap about HRO's ownership of 6 cars, is it just a farce.
in reality holden or HRO just heavily supports 3 teams.
all teams have & use everything them selves , from the team transporter, telemetry, pit crews & ever seprate workshops.
doesnt really sound like a 6 car operation to me.
if you saw 6 hrt cars on track using the 1 pit boom in pitlane then that to me idenfices that operation as a 6 car team.
hrt, kmart & team brock all run two cars each as do the majority of the field,with fpr running 3 cars its still under the 4 car rule.
so now to the ownership of teams. avesco states no manufactuer can own a team, (im not up to the in & outs of the rules) but a manufactuer can own a percentage?
say 49%.
so if you can own a percentage of a team whats the difference between 49% & 100% and im not talking 51%.
the 51% may give you the majority of rights, but in this game all everyone wants to do is win, wether you have 1% or 49% or 100%.
holden/ford can sponsor a team but not own one?
is there a real difference? the majortiy of hrt moneys comes from holden, wether holden owns it, twr owns it or i had enough money to own & buy it.
just look at some of the teams & look at there trading names.
now just to change the topic a little, with all the talk about testing here & o/s, why dont some of the teams just sell or make an identical car to run in the australian sports sedan championship.
have seen plenty of old grp a, v8 supercars running around in this series & these cars would fit there rules very easy, wheels under guards & have roll cage!
not sure weather AVESCO would like it, but theres nothing they could do to stop it unless they already have.

[Rodderz]

Originally posted by SWRT
Which BA do you own Rodderz?
XT,XT V8,futura,fairmont,fairmont ghia,XR6,XR6T or XR8?

XR8, love it! :D

GRPIII, i agree with you in that the teams operate on race days as their own, they have own trucks, pit crew, engineers etc...
But, as the 3 teams come under the same ownership umbrella (not sure of % or team name, confusing!), data obtained on chassis tuning, engine tuning, suspension setup, aerodynamics can be shared throughout these teams. It is a smart move, i mean why wouldnt a team share info if they were involved with the same owner. It makes them the best team in the paddock.

The thing is though, teams with 2 cars (eg. Ozemail Racing) only get 2 cars to do testing with, and therefore have to work harder with less time to get good results out of he car.

[sboland]

And the new double A-arm front suspension is off the Fords.

Where did you read that crap.if you watched the race last weekend you would of heard that the front suspension is not a ford component.It had to be fitted not only to the commodores but the falcons as well.It may be a similar setup to a ford but its definetly not made buy, or supplied by ford.

Cheers
Stephen

[SWRT]

What colour is your BA XR8 Rodderz?
Is it a colour which will be seen in the up coming BA XR8 1/43's?

[brchi17]

SWRT,

how did you get all these prototypes ???

[Rodderz]

Originally posted by SWRT
What colour is your BA XR8 Rodderz?
Is it a colour which will be seen in the up coming BA XR8 1/43's?

Phantom XR8 ute, 18's, 5 spd manual, prestige sound, leather, tow pack, momo wheel

There is a phantom sedan by the looks in the prototype section which looks pretty good, although the paint in the phantom and the blueprint does look pretty glittery, prob only coz its a prototype at this stage. An XR8 ute IMO would be a great addition to the collection too being the best selling performance ute in australia the last few years

[butts]

Well, Ford have won their ONLY race for the season, so congratulations! I wouldn't hold my breath for a clean sweep, especially if Ambrose & Co. continue to drive like they do!!

Biased Holden Fan.

[Three_o_seven]

Butts,

And which team do you drive for again?

Jeremy