Cheap VT Series 1 or scam?

[biante5485]

Hey have jsut seen a VT series 1 for sale and its is going for around 15 frand. Is it a good buy or should my mates and I steer clear of it?

Its a V6 auto and is white. It has a small spoiler on the boot and original steel chaser rims on it.

My mate was going to buy it and customise it but he wants some more info first.

From an inspection of the underside it doesnt look like its been off road or in any bingles.

Any info appreciated

[timbo333]

Geez.............I don't consider $15,000 for a series I '97 Dunnydore a bargain??

Check www.redbook.com.au for values..............start at $10,150 in poor nick upwards?? (wholesale). $12,500 retail.......

Get the car checked out by the RAC or a mechanic mate............

Cheers,

Timbo.

[biante5485]

Sorry got the series mixed up. Its a series three and its been checked by dads mechanic mate.

[Leigh]

Guess again? VT's and VX's only came out in Series one and two...

How many miles has the car done...lower readings will result in higher prices...

Cheers

[biante5485]

Ok I rang my mate and I was right the first time. Its only done 25 thousand ks and has brand new tyres. it was owned by an elderly couple who only used it to go down the supermarket and visit family. its never been out of the city.

[Leigh]

As is quoted here on many occasions "The car is only worth what you are willing to pay"

25,000 km for a 5 year old car (5000 km per year) with no obvious signs of damage...I'd personally buy it for $15,000...

I've seen (about 2 months ago) VT's with 150,000 km on the clock for $12,000 in car yards, complete with stone chips, door jam marks, stained interiors etc.

Cheers

[the_goldie]

Sounds fairly cheap with the low km's on it.

A friend bought a VT Olympic Edition... for about $22k I think??? Had a quite few km's on it... I certainly would not have paid it.

MY VT Clubby Series 2 is just over 3yrs old and only done 37,000kms.

I think with the execs/berlinas you find that most are company cars or family cars that get used day in day out and may not get the care say a SS or Calais would get.

There are so many Commodores around it pays to look around for the right one.

[ferrari fan]

Sounds ,without seeing it , like a ex copcar (Wheels) has it got the LS2 suspension on it?
Look for holes in interior and repairs to the roof(antenna,lightrack)
sometimes hard to spot but with the right light most of the time spottable
Good luck anyway.

[amiers]

VT and VX Commodores are starting to get cheaper by the day and there will be a flood of them on the market as there was so many sold to start with.

i am a motor dealer and i would ran straight too the bank grab a cheque and beg them to sell it too you. i can tell you right now in a yard they would ask 17-18,000 for it

[amiers]

by the way dont believe everything you read in the red book. the online one is not what the dealers use and they are not that accurate. its really the dealers that set the prices by what we pay for cars and demand for certain types of cars

[biante5485]

We are dead certain that it was never a government owned vehicle as we ran the appropriate checks on that as we dont want one of them (too much can go wrong on an ex govt car, I know!!)

None of the trim has been touched and it doesnt look like they have used the back seat much. The log book is meticulously kept and it has never missed a service. There isnt a shake rattle or noise anywhere in it.

Never seen anything like it in such good condition before

Just have to see what my mate does now

I am going to beg him to buy this car so much now!!!

[Malik]

dude check out if it has it the cars previous owners.... if you ring your state's REV's they may not tell you the name and such but they should be able to confirm if it was a private car or company car..

although these days I think you will find that if the logbook is that well kept there's a good chance that it is an ex-fleet car..

I paid 19990 for my VT about 6 months ago and it is an ex-fleet car and came complete with LPG conversion already installed.. I added an SS body kit and Calais rims and presto... my new ride...

dont forget VT's are getting older now and dropping in price.. the dealer I bought this one from had a VS for 15 grand on the lot so 15 for a VT is a bargain if its in good nick..

tell your mate that if he is in doubt take it to one of them places that checks it mechanically for you.. I know RAC or NRMA in most states will do this and if the car dealer wont let you.. dont buy it..

[biante5485]

We have done that check with REVS or whatever it is (came back as being one owner, privately owned) and my mate has spoken to the previous owner who has had it from brand new.

The owner had a few (now all sold) late model cars that were maintained to very high standards and I have seen some pics of him cleaning and detailing areas that you wouldnt normally think about detailing

The reason he sold the vehicle was that they were moving into a smaller vehicle as it was too hard for the elderly couple to drive. They now own a Barina.

It has been checked by the RAC and they gave it a 100% rating, absolutely nothing wrong with it!! They said that they had never ssen a car in such good condition, no matter how old.

Good praise for the previous owners eh?

[Ford Boy]

I got my car RACX checked before I bought it 4 weeks ago, and they said the same thing. A week later it broke an ignition coil. BUt hey, these things are usually once off occurances. BUY IT! No, wait... dont buy it... buy a ford! Nah sounds pretty good to me.

[biante5485]

I would if I had a full time job and could get my license, but seeing that isnt the case, I think he might now jump at the opportunity to buy something that is in my opinion a real good buy and a vry reliable car, unlike some others that we test drove a few weeks ago.

[amiers]

tell your mate that if he is in doubt take it to one of them places that checks it mechanically for you.. I know RAC or NRMA in most states will do this and if the car dealer wont let you.. dont buy it..

MALIK, i would ask you to rethink the above claim, i could tell you thing about the so called experts at the RACQ, NRMA,RACV ECT that would make your skin crawl. they are just mechanics not god like people who can see all,they like to think that, if you get an on site they dont even do a compression test and yet they seem to be able to tell you the motors tired. if you want a good honest opinion on a car take it to a dealer(not one near where you are buying the car) that sells that brand or better still to a everyday mechanic in a garage or k-mart. these guys have no real reason to bulls**t you.

as for dealers letting people get inspections most of us do not have a problem with it its when people want to take the cars aways from the yards and we have no idea whats going on witn OUR property and most times insurance wont pay for it when the car drops off the hoist at the garage, and i have had it happen.

[Leigh]

Originally posted by amiers

they are just mechanics

...and some are not even that...

We once got an RAC? guy to check a car that had just been rebuilt from scratch, everything new. He told us it needed a new windscreen, clutch and front brake shoes (funny thing was we converted it to disc brake front-end) among other things. What we didn't tell him was we actually got it roadworthied and registered the day before. He just looked at the age of the car and told us what usually goes wrong!:rolleyes:

Cheers

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Ford Boy
I got my car RACX checked before I bought it 4 weeks ago, and they said the same thing. A week later it broke an ignition coil. BUt hey, these things are usually once off occurances. BUY IT! No, wait... dont buy it... buy a ford! Nah sounds pretty good to me.

You didn't happen to buy an EL Falcon did you ???

The coils on them seem to have a life of aprox 100,000kms, if they are running LPG.

cheers. :)

[brchi17]

I've got to argee with Leigh & amiers on their comments about dearlers & some of the road side assistance companies, when it comes to checking out motor vehicles that are for sale, they oftern do not know what they are on about.

My father has owned & operatored his own workshop for more than 20 years & it amazing the number of customers who bring in these so-called 'new vehicle reports' from various agencies & what is writen on them.

For example,
We had a female customer bring in a report done on a 12 month old Astra that had done 15,000kms. The report said the car was ok, but the oil was dark. This made the lady very concerned, as when she'd asked what this ment they just said she'd be right love. Upon ringing the inspector in question, we'd found that when they had checked the dip-stick the oil was of a dark colour & the car proberly required an oil change. Why they didn't just tell her this, one doesn't know, but sofice to say when we chaged the oil after the car was purchased, we found out in the service book that the car had actually not had it 10,000km service & that all was needed was this to be done. The car has now done over 100,000kms without any problems.

What also suprises me are the break-down that are sent in on a flat-top only to find out that the wrong problem has been diagnosed & it could have been repaired on the side of the road - you would be amazed how oftern this happens !!!

As for car dearler's, there are very few who won't let you take a vehicle to your local mechanic to have it looked at - if they will not, then they don't want the sale !!! I know of a dearler in Sale who was happy to let one of dads customers drive the car they were looking at all the way over so that dad could have a look at it - aprox 500+km return trip !!! And yes after the inspection, they bought the car.

I've noticed of late, a lot of the bigger Melbourne dearlers are starting to offer free RACV checks with their used cars, so at least they are trying to show customers the cars are of a good quality.

As many people have been saying for a long time, buyer beware & if you're not sure get you local mechanic to check it out, as for most of us the car is the 2nd most expensive item, we'll every buy. So it is definately worth spending the extra time to make sure what you purchase isn't a lemon.

cheers. :)

[Ford Boy]

Brad, yeh I did buy an EL. It went at just on 170,000, running on unleaded. Its a very nice car, I'll borrow a digi and post some pics. Did you ever have any major problems with your EL?

[brchi17]

The EL's are pretty good & the main prob's I had were with brakes. Considering the distance your's has travelled hopefully someone has got rid of the super hard Ford pads & replaced them with a quality (bendix for example) pad instead. Also Brake fluid does require changing every so oftern.

170,000kms from a coil is pretty good, as we're lucky to see them last much past 100k in a LPG model.

Other than head's which oftern leak at 100k & if repaired by a Ford dearler will leak around 200m as well - don't know why, but from expirence this seems to be the case.

Could be what they use to reseal the head to the rest of the block - not really sure ???

The diff get a bit of noise in them, but it is just that, a bit of noise.

If you get the a/c gassed every 12 months it will continue to work, or else you'll have to spend close to 1k to get the system fixed properly - something to do with the lines becoming porus after about 12 months - cheap materials I think ???

I put pedders sports ryder (xr6 spec) under mine & boy did it make a difference to the way the car performed - quite nicely, without making the car too harsh over bumps.

Good luck & enjoy,
cheers. :)

[biante5485]

Well a little bit of reassuring and coaxing from his dad and he bought it.

He got a few extras to start the mods off thrown in with the final price too. Lucky fella

Extras are something like these below

17 in tyres and mags by ROH
cold air induction system (by SS Inductions I think)
Dragon air filter
dual 2.5 in exhaust system in stainless steel
20 litres of assorted oils
3 detail vouchers

I reckon that is the best deal Ive seen for a while!!!

[Malik]

Originally posted by amiers


MALIK, i would ask you to rethink the above claim, i could tell you thing about the so called experts at the RACQ, NRMA,RACV ECT that would make your skin crawl. they are just mechanics not god like people who can see all,they like to think that, if you get an on site they dont even do a compression test and yet they seem to be able to tell you the motors tired. if you want a good honest opinion on a car take it to a dealer(not one near where you are buying the car) that sells that brand or better still to a everyday mechanic in a garage or k-mart. these guys have no real reason to bulls**t you.

as for dealers letting people get inspections most of us do not have a problem with it its when people want to take the cars aways from the yards and we have no idea whats going on witn OUR property and most times insurance wont pay for it when the car drops off the hoist at the garage, and i have had it happen.

as I said in the post.. I said find "one of those places that checks cars" and mentioned NRMA or RAC as an example as those places I -know- do it.. I am sure there are many many others that I dont know about.. I didnt say to definately take it to either NRMA or RAC...

and considering the stigma about car dealers (nothing personal) but many couldnt lie straight in bed... so I maintain that if a dealer avoids letting someone take a car for an inspection -anywhere- then dont buy it.. cos there is a good chance something is being hidden... (and most dealers I have dealt with all have had me sign a statement to the effect that any damage to the car while its in my possesion is my responsibility.. hence.. my insurance)

[amiers]

and considering the stigma about car dealers (nothing personal) but many couldnt lie straight in bed... so I maintain that if a dealer avoids letting someone take a car for an inspection -anywhere- then dont buy it.. cos there is a good chance something is being hidden... (and most dealers I have dealt with all have had me sign a statement to the effect that any damage to the car while its in my possesion is my responsibility.. hence.. my insurance)


nothing personal taken. But let me tell you customers lie as much if not more than a lot of motor dealers! i am a lot more wary of the public than i am of the sharks swimming around the auctions.

one of the common things is for the people to look at a car and say they are interested and they would like to have the car checked out. you ask how they will be paying for the car and they say cash. you then have the car sent out,at our cost remember, and then when it comes back and all is ok or we haggle over a few things they then decide we want to get finace!! youask all the questions about work,wage,debts and so on. this all takes up to 48 hours and then you find out they have no money in the bank,so they couldnt have paid cash, and they have lied about their income and assets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

so it has all cost me,the dealer, money and time thats why sometimes we seem a bit hard. think about it from this persective,go to mcdonalds and ask to taste a big mac, have a bite and then tell them it needs more sauce, then taste again and say ok but i only want to pay $2.00 instead of $2.95 and could i get a health inspector to have a look at it. go to the movies and ask if you can watch some of the movie and if you like it you will watch the rest but only pay half price.

i work in one of the few industries that it is just taken as gospel that we all have enough profit to give money away.

[Malik]

amiers I agree that the buying public can be just as decietful about things too.. always trying to get the best deal possible...

in defence of car dealers though all the ones I have dealt with (apart from one) have been fairly honest and good to deal with when I have bought cars.. even to the point that one even gave me a list of things that he knew was wrong with the car before I bought it.. and offered to have them fixed for a bit more on the price (all of the things were things that he doesnt HAVE To have done to sell a car either)

all in all I will say that the best way to deal with anyone is to trust your instincts.. if you dont think they are trustworthy.. dont trust them.. I think this goes for both dealers AND the public.

:p <----would you buy a car from this face?

[gts4me]

If you can get a good VT go for it as they are great cars.

I have a VT Series 1 Acclaim which I will reluctantly have to sell shortly.
It's a 98 model V6 auto sedan which I bought in 99 and has 89,000 klms and all the good stuff (ABS, cruise control, dual air bags etc)
Has been an absolutely fantastic car but I just bought a Nissan Patrol and have a little Barina for running to and from work so the VT has to go. It is breaking the missus's heart as she loves the VT and the Patrol but my Barina is just so cheap to run, insure, register it just does not make sence to part with it and the garage only holds two cars.


Car dealers and car salesmen should not be trusted because they would sell their mothers to make a quid.
Having just bought the Patrol I know that you check everything out yourself and if you think it could be a bit dodgy then just walk away as another car will be just around the corner. Get everything in writing and cover your ass as dealers will drop you like a rock when the deal is done.

[amiers]

Car dealers and car salesmen should not be trusted because they would sell their mothers to make a quid.

and you would be an expert how? T.V, newspaper, today tonight or CURRENT AFFAIR. you would have no idea about most of us only by what you see or hear. you think car dealers rip you off go check out what you pay for your food at any big supermarket or mobile phones then come back and have a go at us.


or maybe you can go buy your car privately and think your getting a bargain until you find out the guy is a back yarder and the speedo has been flicked and you have no warranty. :mad:

[gts4me]

AMIERS

I know 2 used car salesmen and 1 new car salesman personally who have told me to my face that they are only interested in selling a car and making commission and do not care if the car is a dud or not as it is the dealers reputation not theirs. I agree that people who trade in cars sometimes diddle dealers but the reverse happens more.

1. I prefer to buy my cars from a dealer than from a backyarder. I have bought 1 car from a backyarder, my Barina, and it has been a fantastic car. I checked it out and found that it was in great nick and I got a great deal on it so I bought it.

2. Bought my 1st 4wd from a dealer who was as crooked as the day is long and who thought I was stupid and told me a pack of lies. I found out who the previous owner was and found out the facts from them. Told the dealer what I would pay and he took the deal.

3. Bought a VN from a dealer because I thought it was a good car in good nick. Was not really ready to buy a car at that time and did not do my homework and got a dud car and was ripper off but learnt my lesson.

4. Bought my VT from a dealer as it was the best VT I could find in Perth at that time. Dealer came back with a stupid deal offering me around half what the trade for my VN should have been. Lots of negotiating and I worked a reasonable deal so I took it.

5. Bought my Patrol from a dealer. Dealer asked a ridiculous price for it. I spoke to previous owner, checked it all out and found that is was a very good car so worked a deal (price dropped by $8000).
Found the salesman (mature guy with some integrity) OK but the manager was a shark.

Don't try and tell me that salesman/dealers are pillars of our community because that is just a lot of CR#P.
If you were such great guys and it was such a great job then there would not be such a high turnover in staff.
GET A REAL JOB.

[Malik]

gts4me... I will agree with you saying that car dealers arent the pillars of the community.. but then.. WHO IS?

I think its a case of a few bad apples...

Ive dealt with the good and the bad... and the good ones have been quite good.. some are actually honest... (yes really)

[amiers]

and you have a real job do you? i did not say anything about being pillars of the community. what i said was dont paint everyone with the same brush. and if you have friends who are breaking laws regarding the Fair Trading Code DO SOMETHING!.

dont get on here and tell people they are liers and cheats. i run a respectable business and have sacked guys for misleading people. most times you will find dealers will want to sell better cars as they dont need the bulls**t that goes on with selling a bad car. i am even reluctant to sell cheap trades to people these days. i had a guy beg me to sell him a $500 car as he was down on his luck and neened a car to get a job,i even let him pay it off and then after he gets his job he tales it to a mechanic and brings me a bill for $440 and says i'll go too Fair Trading if you dont fix it!!!!!!!!!

i hate some car dealers and they hate the ones who do trade fairly but you have not right to tell me what i am or am not. i for one am proud that 95% of my business is return or referal. i worked my bum off for twenty years to get where i am. if you want to get picky about it all there are plenty of model car dealers out there trying to retire on the profit. if you are hell bent on it all there are several things you can do. get the name of the yard and the saleman and go to FAIR TRADING and report him it will be checked out and if he is found to have breached the code he will lose his license nad find it very hard to get it back.

as for the turn over in dealerships thats is normal as we need people who will do the long hours most times we get young guys who turn up hung over or take days off and we cant have staff not there to deliver cars and the hundreds of other things.

having said all that i am getting out of yards and into wholesaleing and one of the reasons for that is i am sick to death of the s**t i have to put up with from people with the same attitude as you so if i dont deal with you i dont have to listen to you. what i would ask from you and others is dont go blaming me for your bad deals i didnt sell you a car and i didnt lie to you did i? next get on here and say i bought a car from ?????? and the salesmans name was ??????????? and he lied to me and what ever else. NAME NAMES get the dodgey people out in the open then we can all live in peace.


MALIK--- we now agree on 4 things :D

[amiers]

did you report the backyarder? he is breaking the law you know. i pay a fortune in fee's and tax's so you the buyer have some protection if something does go wrong and this guy pays nothing and give nothing

[Malik]

Originally posted by amiers
and you have a real job do you? i did not say anything about being pillars of the community. what i said was dont paint everyone with the same brush. and if you have friends who are breaking laws regarding the Fair Trading Code DO SOMETHING!.

dont get on here and tell people they are liers and cheats. i run a respectable business and have sacked guys for misleading people. most times you will find dealers will want to sell better cars as they dont need the bulls**t that goes on with selling a bad car. i am even reluctant to sell cheap trades to people these days. i had a guy beg me to sell him a $500 car as he was down on his luck and neened a car to get a job,i even let him pay it off and then after he gets his job he tales it to a mechanic and brings me a bill for $440 and says i'll go too Fair Trading if you dont fix it!!!!!!!!!

i hate some car dealers and they hate the ones who do trade fairly but you have not right to tell me what i am or am not. i for one am proud that 95% of my business is return or referal. i worked my bum off for twenty years to get where i am. if you want to get picky about it all there are plenty of model car dealers out there trying to retire on the profit. if you are hell bent on it all there are several things you can do. get the name of the yard and the saleman and go to FAIR TRADING and report him it will be checked out and if he is found to have breached the code he will lose his license nad find it very hard to get it back.

as for the turn over in dealerships thats is normal as we need people who will do the long hours most times we get young guys who turn up hung over or take days off and we cant have staff not there to deliver cars and the hundreds of other things.

having said all that i am getting out of yards and into wholesaleing and one of the reasons for that is i am sick to death of the s**t i have to put up with from people with the same attitude as you so if i dont deal with you i dont have to listen to you. what i would ask from you and others is dont go blaming me for your bad deals i didnt sell you a car and i didnt lie to you did i? next get on here and say i bought a car from ?????? and the salesmans name was ??????????? and he lied to me and what ever else. NAME NAMES get the dodgey people out in the open then we can all live in peace.


MALIK--- we now agree on 4 things :D

I know.. aint it scary... but on a serious note.. I just dont think its fair to label ALL car dealers crooks when its only the handful...

hell.. I work as a nurse and some of the stories I could tell you about doctors... and they are also seen as the pillars of the community..... trust me.. they ain't..

[amiers]

funny you say that Malik while i was foaming at the mouth over the other gentlemans comments i thought of that some of the things i have seen and heard from people at the doctors has made what little hair i have left stand on end!!!!!!!


but you are right about some of the dealers around they are just crooks. a lot of time the dealers dont know what the salesman are up to as a lot of the time we just look at the sales, and its only when a customer complains we know what goes on. i try to do the right thing by people and my biggest fault is i help too much then they just expect you to do everything for the entire life of the car:eek:

anyway after another soothing day of dealing with the public i am relaxed and calm.. now back to those doors that keep coming open MR Malik:p

[Ford Boy]

Yah thanks for that Brad.... the brakes definitly work well.... I found out today because my immature $%^&@$##@ cousin thought it would be funny to jump out on on the road when he saw me coming towards school today! The car is fitted with ABS, yet I left a big black skid mark along the road! Back to original topci, its had t he suspension replaced, and handle very nicely, and not too rough, ummm I also have organsied a rim swap with a guy who is trading in his EF, and he doesnt want the mags obviously, and isnt too stressed about what price they'll fetch during the trade in, so I'll be getting his mags, and he'll be getting mine then trading his car in.... QUITE HAPPY about that!

Cheers!

[Malik]

Originally posted by amiers
funny you say that Malik while i was foaming at the mouth over the other gentlemans comments i thought of that some of the things i have seen and heard from people at the doctors has made what little hair i have left stand on end!!!!!!!


but you are right about some of the dealers around they are just crooks. a lot of time the dealers dont know what the salesman are up to as a lot of the time we just look at the sales, and its only when a customer complains we know what goes on. i try to do the right thing by people and my biggest fault is i help too much then they just expect you to do everything for the entire life of the car:eek:

anyway after another soothing day of dealing with the public i am relaxed and calm.. now back to those doors that keep coming open MR Malik:p

I Think its a case that ya just need to take the good with the bad from any profession.. I think car dealers get slammed a bit more then most mainly cos of the amount of time on current affairs shows they get where they are always being investigated..

doctors alot of the time can get away with things cos they explain it away in ways most people cant understand (all the big fancy words) and people accept what they say more because they are the ones that know...

what people fail to understand is what they are saying is fancy words for simple things.. but it comes with a big price tag attached..

the amount of problems I have seen during my work is amazing.. yet the patients keep coming back for more.. and more often then not to the same doctor.. and nothing is said or done because the doctor is right!

look at it this way.. as with most nurses I am sure I have a nice little list of what doctors I would go to if i needed help and what doctors I wouldnt let touch me if they was the last one on earth..

amiers Im sure you would have similar with other car dealers...

[amiers]

:D

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Ford Boy
....Back to original topic, its had the suspension replaced, and handle very nicely, and not too rough, ummm I also have organsied a rim swap with a guy who is trading in his EF, and he doesnt want the mags obviously, and isnt too stressed about what price they'll fetch during the trade in, so I'll be getting his mags, and he'll be getting mine then trading his car in..

Good to hear ford boy, will be nice to see some pics when you get around to it.

Amiers got to argee it's always the 10% of dodgy dearlers that tarnish the other 90% doing the right thing !!!

I always feel the same way when the dodgy mechanic's has it's turn on the various current afairs programs - they seem to have a cycle for these things.

Speaking of good dearlers I had a bit of a look around various Holden dearlers before i got he SV8 & found a wide variety of good/bad operators out there. Not to waste pages of writing but in the short it ranged from dearlers who thought I just wanted to go for a quick fang of the car, to ones who wouldn't even talk to me !!!

Apparently (& I found this now on 3 occusions when I've been shopping for new vehicles) some salesmen have decided that young males can't afford things & treat you like you haven't got a cent (I found this when I was shopping for me brand new EL when I was 21) & won't do anything for you.

Other dearlers do the right thing (like Valley Ford did in Morwell) & even before i bought the then brand new EL, they would give me the brochures & let me sit in the cars making me feel welcome, knowing that one day I would buy a new car from them & well I did !!!

When it came to the SV8 I was supprised my the number of Holden dearlers who just weren't interested in my business. One of the few that did let me test drive a SV8, couldn't argee on a price, so i left it with them (apparently the manager wasn't there at the time, so it was sticker price or wait until later in the week for a phone call). Then mid week I get the call, we start negotiating & 5 calls later I've seen the price go both up & down & their word taken back several times on various items, so you guessed it - no sale here.

Enter Heritage Holden in Lillydale, dad become to know's one of the sales men there (John) since he bought the Calais & one phone call later the SV8 is on order - No garbage, just an honest deal & One very happy chappy !!!

Come delivery time, I make the 2hr trip to Lillydale & everything is perfect - couldn't be better & since I think they've had another 3 Commodore sales from people we've sent up there !!!

Point of all this in a nut shell,

We always hear about the bad & the ulgy, but rearly the good. To be honest, at the end of the day, those who are dodgy usually don't stay in business for too long.

cheers. :)

[amiers]

you are so right Brad!!!!!!

before i started selling cars i had the same happen to me i had the money to buy a new car and because i was 17 they didnt want to know me and i made it a fast and hard rule from that time on to treat everyone the same. yes we get time wasters but they may buy a care one day and just maybe because i gave them the time of day they might buy it from me!!!!

mind you the Ford dealer who did, in the end, look after me all those years ago has had a lot of my business and i have sent hundreds of people there and always will.

on the subject of mechanics its the same story 20% bad and rest ok. main problems i see everyday is the prices not bad workmanship i see what i pay and then i see the public bills and they are double mine!!! and this is from guys i trust!!!!!!!!!!!

i think it should all be regulated and monitored but then again i am getting old,bitter and twisted:D

[Malik]

man when I was buying my first car the first one I was looking at was a VT SS with a supercharged 6 in it...

Im a young guy and was driving a bit of a crapbox when I got there but the dealer was practically throwing a car at me to get me to buy one..

he didnt even question if I had the $$ to pay for it... its like.. buy this.. free petrol free jacket free road map free first service... and on and on..

Im sure he would have thrown the car at me if I could lift it..

pity my bank wouldnt come to the party.. so heres the VT Exec that resembles an SS.. hehe


one day... one day

[Ford Boy]

Originally posted by brchi17



Apparently (& I found this now on 3 occusions when I've been shopping for new vehicles) some salesmen have decided that young males can't afford things & treat you like you haven't got a cent (I found this when I was shopping for me brand new EL when I was 21) & won't do anything for you.


cheers. :)

Brad, so true! So many time at car yards, a car salesman would walk of the office, see me, a young guy, and walk back in. The fact i had just under $16,500 to spend was irrelevant! Barnard Street Carsales, where I ended up buying from, helped me non stop. Everything that needed fixing, got fixed same day, let me take it for a test drive 3 or 4 times, no questions asked, let me take some snaps of it, (if i had a scanner, I'd post them!). Just things like that make you want to buy something from them! Another place, where I wanting to buy a 300ZX from, didnt want to know me, were fairly rude when I asked for help, as though there was other things they could be doing.... I reckon it's all about image stereo type, or something like that!

[Glen Alexander]

Hey Malik, I didn't realise the VT SS came with a Supercharged 6. Is it a limited ed. of some kind? Might have to check it out for curiosity sake, unless you already have a pic.

[Malik]

Glen it looks identical to the normal SS just the side badging for the engine says "supercharged" instead of "ecotec" and V6 underneath....

I didnt know it had a super 6 option either but according to the dealer they were only made at buyer's request... I thought about it for a while but then decided I didnt wanna be paying for PULP all the time...

other then the badge and obviously the engine with a blower on top the outside and all other options are identical with the standard SS

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Glen Alexander
Hey Malik, I didn't realise the VT SS came with a Supercharged 6. Is it a limited ed. of some kind? Might have to check it out for curiosity sake, unless you already have a pic.

I think there is just an extra S there Glen, as the S did come out with the Supercharger ???

Cheers. :)

[Malik]

Brad.. it was most definately an SS... having stood there and looked at the thing and seen all the paperwork.. it was definately an SS with a Supercharged V6 donk...

check

http://www.users.on.net/nweber/commodore/vt/index. html

and look under the Commodore SS listing... Super V6 listed as option....

[Glen Alexander]

WOW!!! You could get a HSV V8 in your SS if you wanted. Cool.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Glen Alexander
WOW!!! You could get a HSV V8 in your SS if you wanted. Cool.

From memory Glen this was the 10kw HSV up-grade that made the engine have 195kw instead of the std 185kw.

Not sure what HSV did or how much it cost.

cheers.:)