Perkins ignores Barbagello

[jager]

I read today that Larry Perkins has decided not to come to W.A. for the next round at Barbagello. I feel Biante should produce a special limited edition model to commerate Larry's non appearance at his last race in W.A. - an all perspex, transparent model that you can't see seems very appropriate.

Shame Larry, Shame !

[Dazz]

Larry's decision not to go to WA has nothing to do with him not wanting to race there, but is due to the lack of pit spaces to allow more than a certain amount of cars, 32 I think in this instance.

All of the teams decided that if a team has three cars, such as HRT, Stone Brothers, Perkins etc, that one car would have to be a non starter. Due to both Ingall and Richards being in a stronger position championship wise Larry elected to be the non starter in his team.

Blame AVESCO and their stupid compulsory pit stop rules at circuits which cannot accomodate the number of cars, not the drivers who will be forced to miss out.

[ET351]

I'm with you, Dazz.

Larry isn't the one to blame here. You're spot on about the AVESCO dictatorship and their superficial attempts to make the racing 'more even'.

Not every track can accommodate these fields when it comes to pit space. So why not have pure sprints without pit stops, like the good ol' days! It would be better to watch, especially when Skaifey has to start lapping a bunch of backmarkers.

But I must admit jager's suggestion was a tad humorous!

Cheers, ET

[jager]

Sorry Guy's - I don't mind admitting I made a mistake. What would you guy's rather see a) a full grid of 40+ cars without pitstops or b) 32 cars and meaningless pitstops to make the finishing order more random.

While AVESCO must take some blame the WA State Govt and Perth City Council should also take some blame after turning down various proposals to move the race from Barbagello to a purpose built street track on the Swan River foreshore in the centre of Perth.

[ferrari fan]

I am VERY sorry ,buty to move a racemeeting to a public street is ridicoulus.
There is a purpose build circuit here in Perth and it is the ONLY one in a 3000 odd KM range
This is the only part of western Australia where local and national/international motorsport can be held safely with the current safetystandards and facilities met
How many pools/footy-cricketfields etc etc do we have to have
there has to be an avenue to participater in our/my chosen sport
other than to drive to Malala 3000 km away!
If tarmac racing is to be held then it is to be done at the appropriate venue
and this thern can be kept up to date
AVESCO are not doing the sport /circuit any favours it is a buissnes of very hard players and I personaly do not have many good words to say about them.
why are we not going to hold a testcricket match on the Perth foreshore,awnser ;we already have a purpose build facility! :mad:

[jager]

Sorry Ferrari Fan but your dreaming - the V8 Supercars have long since outgrown Barbagello. The track is a ridulous distance from the centre of town, there is only one road to the circuit meaning it can take spectators hours to get in, facilities are very poor and the track can only accomodate 80% of the grid.

As has been demonstrated at the Indycar race at Surfers Paradise, the Australian GP at Albert Park, the Adelaide and Canberra street circuits, a temporary track in the centre of town can provide a huge improvement in facilities for both spectators and competitors alike. Similarly you won't find any complaints from competitors or spectators about the Langley Special Stage at Rally Australia.

If the sport is going to continue to grow in popularity it must be made more accessible and the best way to do this is with a race in the centre of the city.

Bye Bye Barbagello !

[ET351]

Gee jager, you're not having much luck! Now you've got ferrarifan's blood pressure up!

You are spot on though. I'd rather see 40+ cars out there, mixing it in a sprint for these rounds. Leave the pit stops to the 'endurance' events (not that I consider 400km to be an 'endurance' event, but oh well..).

I'm sure there wouldn't be the hassles like the '70's big fields, 'cause with only two makes and the times being so close, you don't necessarily have the issue of big speed differences making the racing dangerous.

What gets up my nose is the way AVESCO have hijacked the sport from the punters. They've introduced ludicrous rules (the 'yellow line' is obviously a sore point with many), and still carry on with how they are trying to 'even out' the competition. Control tyres, control fuel, control buttock size... what next?? And you need a computer to work out the points system!!

Remember when teams had different tyres? More latitude in engine development? Aerodynamic individuality? There were different guys on the podium more often than not.

Enough is enough, and even though I'm a Ford fan, I can understand why Larry is sitting this one out. It's not hard to see how he's lost the passion for what was a truly great Australian sport.

Cheers, ET

[ferrari fan]

There is no such thing as high bloodpressure or anything else with me, or with a highly respected forummember like Jager,by me
What you ,maybe should consider is that to have apples you need first to grow an apple tree.
Garth Tander,for example, had to learn and hone/show his skill first before he was abble to step up to these souped up sydney taxi's
Secondly most ,but not all streetcircuits are temporaraly there and not for the long run
Francochamps,Le Mans,Assen,Nurnbergring,Montjuich,Reims,etc,etc were origanly stretciurcuits and were transformed into ,or faded in to oblivion
These streetparade's are only here in Aus because it gives Avseco more money and also squizes every last possible cent out of the remaining circuits including the TV rights
Itg would indeed be interesting for the average punter to have a look behind the facade of Avesco
This way of motorsport cannot be sustained ,but don't beleive me ,
just see what happens later

[Ando]

ferrari fan you can't compare F1 to the V8's not everyone has your liking for F1 which has quite a few problems of its own at the moment.My view on street circuits compared to purpose built tracks is based on whats on offer in my own area. It takes me about 2 hours to get to Canberra to have a great weekend with plenty of parking, no stress and being so close to the cars makes it terrific, compared to about an hour to get to Oran Park another hour to get in and another 2 hours to get out because existing roads,carparks etc cannot cope with the huge crowds that know turn up to the V8'S, so regardless of what we think of AVESCO i am more than happy to have a choice.
ANDO

[fantm]

Hi Guys & Girls

Yeh street circuits are good for the short haul and someones short sighted pocket needs but not the communities long term benifit or for the other 11 months of the year when the V8's arent in town.
Im lucky having Hidden Valley out my back door and a previous goverment that was prepared to back the punters. The early and long term efforts included expansion room for race track/ pits & traffic conciderations etc. There are even free nonstop gov sponsered buses run to raceday from as far as 25miles away and back after raceday all to aleiveate traffic problems and allow people to have a couple of socialables and enjoy the day with family and friends. All this helps justify ammenities and racing facilities that stay there all year and for years to come.
Im not that old but you can take me back to the future anyday where cars that raced on the weekend could be brought on Monday morning. As a spectator there are plenty of ways to make racing interesting again but Iam not sure anyones listening.
As for Larry's "holiday" come on guys I consider it very noble of him to consider the other drivers who have more to gain from the "small starting grid" in this particular race than he. He's obviously enjoying his racing and seeing others do to. Iam a blu oval fella but some of my best memiories of motor racing is of the likes of Perkins

[Martin Thomas]

What upsets me is the news that a new track is being built near the airport but the builders have said they will not "hijack" the V8's. So here we are, 1 track finds it hard to stay afloat and now we have another to compete with it. Personally, I'd prefer a purpose built modern track than a "lottery" street circuit.

I think the new track is to run a round of the Asian panoz series. Like the race of a thousand years in adelaide a couple of years back

[ferrari fan]

Let me assure you that the traffic problem has been FIXED and there will be no delay getting to the circuit .
A new road has been added that leads straight to the enormous carparking faccilities and there are many new entries in turnstyle fassion so no more delay
watch the adverts and other info on how to ghet there fast direct from Wanneroo road
one other thing wirth a circiut that is away from town;
They can have some more V8 sounds instead of a 20db noiselimit
cause of the restrictions of the EPA
92db if I am correct in any buildup area
and let support brocky in his efford of the animal resque fundraising.

[Aussiecollector]

Tip for Ferrari Fan,

Type your reply in word, spell and grammer check it first so at least we can understand your dribble.

Last week you were trying to tell me how great Monaco (street) is and this week your against street races.

Which is it?

Bathurst is a street race, its been around awhile and is not looking like being canned, AGP Melbourne locked for another 5 years, Monaco been going over fifty, Indy QLD still going, canberra, Adelaide lost AGP still uses street circuit every year for V8s. Shall I continue

Isn't racing all about ability, ability to adapt to the conditions and the tracks that are presented to the drivers, a mix or race types can only be good for the drivers and the fans and overall the sport.

Are you serious about motorsport? Why do you refer to a V8 supercar as a "Souped up Sydney Taxi". And whats with the bit about Tander.

Racing is about money, and if street races generate big dollars via TV and sponsorship, then its good for everybody, the teams stay in business and we have a sport to follow.

Regards Glenn

[Moffat Fan]

Sorry jager but your comments re Barbagello Raceway are at best ill-informed and out of touch.

1.) There are now 3 (three) access roads into the circuit with a special access road for competitors / officials to take the load off Wattle Ave and the new Mather Road access of Flyn Drive giving access direct to the new larger parking area behind Novus Corner.

2.) There is now a free shuttle bus service from the Council depot on Wanneroo Road to the track.

3.) There is a free bus from Joondalup train station to the track.

4.) Over $ 750,000 has been spent on the track and facilities this year to improve the track, pits, paddock and viewing areas. There is even a special toilet just for Bazza!

I don’t know were in Perth you are but with the trains, busses and improved access you should find this year a whole lot better.

This has all been done by the Club that runs the track (without government funding) and been done bloody well!

No, I cant guarantee it will be perfect and no it wont please every body but it will be better than ever before. The great thing is it also provides a year round multi purpose motorsport facility for the local community. The people who use it regularly and not just the corporate highfliers who turn up for the free drinks once a year. Grass roots motoracing is what we are here for and without tracks like Barbagello we don’t have a track in WA.

If you want to know more go to www.wascc.com.au or give me an email and as Club Captain I would be happy to help you get a better understanding.

Bye Bye Barbagello. I dont thik so!;)

[jager]

My comments may be ill-informed and out of touch but I believe they are representative of the 20'000 fans who missed the start of first race on Sunday last year because they were still stuck outside the circuit and who may be thinking about staying home and watching it on TV this year. It isn't much good making the changes if people don't know about them !
Call me cynical, but after years of sub-standard conditions it seems that only the threat of lossing the race has brought about the long overdue changes.
I have been going to Waneroo since the late 1970's and I agree that we need a permanent track for club racing, Formula Fords and other classes of racing to develop young drivers. However just as Perth Glory switched from their traditional ground to Subiaco Oval for the Grand Final to accomodate a larger crowd I stand by my comments that Barbagello is not the best option for the once a year round of the V8 Supercars.

[ferrari fan]

Aussieconnector;
Wotever mi ald Taeter
run your own spellcheck through there
and try to play the (ball) not the man
send some of your money to K9 resque and you can say whatever about me.:D

[Hati]

Not having a go at you jager ;), but the program comming with the tickets does have quite a bit about the changes to Barbagello. Including the car club addie, where I found all the details about the upgrade.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, so mine is that I don't really care about the facilities or the road to the track (get out of bed early if you want to make it in time), I just want to see the V8's here in W.A. year after year. Period. I am happy to put up with just about anything out there as long as I can see the cars circling around. Irrelevant of facilities, if you are a true V8 fan, you will go to the live race no matter what the conditions. If not, please enjoy the telecast from the comfort of your lounge :D
2 more cents to the pile.

[chups]

i agree, would you rather waiting for an hour to see the V8s or no V8s at all. i love seeing the V8s each year, although it would be better at the new race track near the airport (p.s has anyone heard anything more about whats happening with it?) but i can live with getting up at 3:30 one day each year too see the V8s