License Suspension

[Ford Boy]

Just a query, what is the go with a license suspension.
I admit, young and stupid, Ive blown my 5 points, had my options letter sent out, I played double or nothing, and lost. I got a fine last night, and now Im walking for 6 months. My fault, Im not complaining, I'll cop it on the chin. Im just curious as to what happens now... Im going to pay my fine tomorrow, and I was hoping maybe someone who has been there before me can help me out as to what sort of a time frame Im looking at as to when my suspension starts, etc...

All information is greatly appreciated...

thanks in advance....

[Malik]

Originally posted by Ford Boy
Just a query, what is the go with a license suspension.
I admit, young and stupid, Ive blown my 5 points, had my options letter sent out, I played double or nothing, and lost. I got a fine last night, and now Im walking for 6 months. My fault, Im not complaining, I'll cop it on the chin. Im just curious as to what happens now... Im going to pay my fine tomorrow, and I was hoping maybe someone who has been there before me can help me out as to what sort of a time frame Im looking at as to when my suspension starts, etc...

All information is greatly appreciated...

thanks in advance....

AFAIK the suspension starts immediately....

[Nick Short]

How'd you lose it? Hopefully not like this: In the UK press this week there's been a few cases that have raised eyebrows. One woman, on drugs, with no license, no road tax, no insurance and a car that had bald tyres and one deflated, ran a guy down, killing him, and drove off. She got a fine of £83 and a driving ban on her non-existent license. In the same court, in front of the same magistrate on the same day, a guy who crashed into a tree was fined £430......
And (in a different court) yesterday a guy who accidentally ran a bloke down, again killing him, and who drove off before crashing into a tree, was fined for killing the bloke (careless driving) but told he faced jail for crashing into the tree (dangerous driving).........

[Malik]

Originally posted by Nick Short
How'd you lose it? Hopefully not like this: In the UK press this week there's been a few cases that have raised eyebrows. One woman, on drugs, with no license, no road tax, no insurance and a car that had bald tyres and one deflated, ran a guy down, killing him, and drove off. She got a fine of £83 and a driving ban on her non-existent license. In the same court, in front of the same magistrate on the same day, a guy who crashed into a tree was fined £430......
And (in a different court) yesterday a guy who accidentally ran a bloke down, again killing him, and who drove off before crashing into a tree, was fined for killing the bloke (careless driving) but told he faced jail for crashing into the tree (dangerous driving).........

Nick we had a guy here driving drunk on a suspended license (lost for DUI of all things) who ran down and killed a kid on a bike....

he got a 900 buck fine for driving drunk and was let of the murder cos the girl rode out in front of HIM..

nothing said about driving unlisenced.

[Glen Alexander]

I've lost mine twice in the past for speeding...... and I didn't lose it until I paid the fine and they sent me a letter telling me to hand in my license at the RTA. They send you a letter telling you when it will be cancelled. That's how it was in NSW, but that was about 7 years ago now.

You are a very naughty boy!!! haha!!!! It sucks walking for 6 months.... I lost mine for 9 in total.

[Road Runner 72]

Originally posted by Glen Alexander
I've lost mine twice in the past for speeding...... and I didn't lose it until I paid the fine and they sent me a letter telling me to hand in my license at the RTA. They send you a letter telling you when it will be cancelled. That's how it was in NSW, but that was about 7 years ago now.

You are a very naughty boy!!! haha!!!! It sucks walking for 6 months.... I lost mine for 9 in total.

You are so correct, same here in Vic.
I wonder if I have mine back yet.

Have to wait till you get the letter ford boy. tisk tisk.

wonders if the car upgrade was a good idea.

well hope you still have your old pushbike:D

Cheers

Mike

[Glen Alexander]

Just think, you won't be paying for petrol for the next 6 months, the money can go to mods on the Falcon!!!!

[Maximus]

Porr bugger, I guess you will learn the hard way.

I am sure that they will send you a letter saying WHEN you will not be able to drive from. Its something like 30 days after the offence.
Either wait & dont drive or just drop in to the local Police Station and ask.

Cheers & enjoy the bus.

[ratbag-racing]

Tough break , but at least you will learn not to do it again (hopefully). You can always strap on a couple of unwanted Biante's to your feet , at least you will look cool skatin down the street !:D

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Ford Boy
Just a query, what is the go with a license suspension.
I admit, young and stupid, Ive blown my 5 points, had my options letter sent out, I played double or nothing, and lost. I got a fine last night, and now Im walking for 6 months......

I had a mate who also played double or nothing & lost & his suspention started 28days from the date of the offence that caused him to lose....I'd check it out to be sure.

At least after your 6 month break you'll get all of your points back & at least for 6 months you'll be able to save a bit of money from all that fuel you'll not be using - got to find a positive in this somewhere :D

I must also compliment you for your attitude about this, as I know plenty of people who would be rainting & raving trying to find someone to blame - good to see you're man enought to acknowledge when you've done wrong & cop it sweet.

cheers. :)

[Ford Boy]

Originally posted by brchi17
I had a mate who also played double or nothing & lost & his suspention started 28days from the date of the offence that caused him to lose....I'd check it out to be sure.

At least after your 6 month break you'll get all of your points back & at least for 6 months you'll be able to save a bit of money from all that fuel you'll not be using - got to find a positive in this somewhere :D

I must also compliment you for your attitude about this, as I know plenty of people who would be rainting & raving trying to find someone to blame - good to see you're man enought to acknowledge when you've done wrong & cop it sweet.

cheers.

I was working it out after I read this, and If my maths is any good, going on how much I use at the moment, Im going to save something like $3500 in the time Im walking!!! Scary thought... So I figure an average of $180 per model.... Works out at bout 20 new models coming my way! :D

Glen, Im not to sure if mods to the XR would be a great idea! A meaner looking car would probably only make me wanna go faster! Im going to use some of the time to clean up some of the little scrathes and dents that were in it when I got it, so there will be some good coming out of the bad.

Thanks for the support of sor ts, and all the info, Im going to check it out, and I'll report back when I find out. Could make work interesting, as Im in the pizza game so yeah... Should be interesting!

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Ford Boy
......Could make work interesting, as Im in the pizza game so yeah... Should be interesting!

I hope you make them & not do the deliveries as I think most people like them hot :D !!!

You said you lost your 5 points, I thought we had 12 points in vic as I know I've lost 5pts, but got a letter saying I've got 7pts left,, have you been a really, really, bad boy, fordboy ???

Can we also ask, just how fast you were doing when you got spotted by the plodd, or did you have to pay Mr Bracks a donation for the loverly photograph he sent you :) ???

cheers.

[Esses]

....& what exactly is "Double or Nothing"? Do you draw straws, cards or what?:D Sorry, but as a Professional Courier I'm VERY careful with my license so I'm not up on all this.

[Malik]

Originally posted by Steve
....& what exactly is "Double or Nothing"? Do you draw straws, cards or what?:D Sorry, but as a Professional Courier I'm VERY careful with my license so I'm not up on all this.

not 100% sure.. but I think its where you pay double your fine and keep your lisence... or you cop the suspension and the original fine.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Steve
....& what exactly is "Double or Nothing"? Do you draw straws, cards or what?:D Sorry, but as a Professional Courier I'm VERY careful with my license so I'm not up on all this.

Basically double or nothing is this......

When you've used up all your 12 demerit points in less than 3 years you get the offer of taking an automatic 3 months suspension of your licence. Or you can choose to play double or nothing.

If you do choose to play double or nothing, you have to go 6 months (but it could be 12months, fordboy can correct me if I’m wrong) without losing anymore points.

If you fail, you get a 6 months loss of licence for your troubles & after you served your suspension, you get all your points back.

If you succeed in lasting the time without losing a point, you get all 12 points back & start with a clean slate.

cheers. :)

[Esses]

Wow, sounds complicated. Thanks. I think here you just get a "Show Cause" letter once you get to 9 or so points, but I'm not at all sure. If you can "Show Cause" you usually get a Restricted License. In my case that would have to be 13-14 hours of the day & cover half of Canberra!:D

[paranoid]

mmm... in WA you can be granted an 'extraordinary license', if you can show that you need your vehicle for work, and by not being able to drive would cause serious financial hardship to you/your family. However, it is quite hard to get and you cannot apply until a period of 28 (i think) days has lapsed. this depends on why lost license etc. We get people calling up to get legal advice on this all the time where i work, it is quite difficult to prove the elements, but maybe there is something similar where you are?

[Ford Boy]

Brad was pretty close...

Double or nothing is where you have the option of either lsoing your license for 3 months, or taking the option of a 12 month probationary period, in which time should one decur a single demerit point, one shall lose one's license for 6 months istead of the regular. I took double or nothing, and managed to get myself pulled over before my probationary time actually started!

I went into VicRoads today, and they seem to think I may not lose it, as the offence was outside my probation period, so its up in the air till I get paperowkr in the mail.

Brchi, in Victoria, you do get 12, but P platers have 5 points to last us 12 months, from the time we get them till 12 monthsl ater. As I got mine in July last year, Im still in that time, and Ive managed to rack up 10 points now, which Im quite embarressed to admit. As to how fast I was travelling, Im happy to be able to say, I spotted him before he spotted me, and I managed to brake considerably, and got doen doing 80 in a 60 zone. Id just had a massive fight with my ex, who is also my best mates little sister, and took my anger out on the accelerator. BIG MISTAKE!

The actual speed I was doing originally was bloody stupid, and in hindsight, I deserved to get caught. But yeah, all has happened, and as I said, I may get lucky on a technicality, but I dont know! I can only hope for th best, and be a good little boy in the meantime!

[Ford Boy]

Sorry I forgot to mention it, Im a supervisor at Pinkys Pizza, as in making, dispatching, and running the place, but every now and again I deliver. Maybe I could be a delivery boy for those who eat pizza the next day for breakfast.... :D Cheers!

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Ford Boy
Sorry I forgot to mention it, Im a supervisor at Pinkys Pizza, as in making, dispatching, and running the place, but every now and again I deliver. Maybe I could be a delivery boy for those who eat pizza the next day for breakfast.... :D Cheers!

Good to hear, I'd hate to have read that you have to do deliveries & would lose your job without a licence.

A wise man once told me never drive when angry, I guess this is why he used to tell me as I know I have been gulity of driving while angry & it's not a smart idea.

cheers. :)

[Ford Boy]

I wouldnt be too sad about it... the boss's are p*&%$'s anyway! It would be a good excuse to look for another job!!! Im looking at an apprenticeship in Automotive Spray Painting. Ah well! Pizza is fun!!!

Cheers! :D

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Ford Boy
I wouldnt be too sad about it... the boss's are p*&%$'s anyway! It would be a good excuse to look for another job!!! Im looking at an apprenticeship in Automotive Spray Painting. Ah well! Pizza is fun!!!

Cheers!

I think you should consider a job with the plod, as it least then you could go as hard as you want, knowing that you arn't going to get pulled over for a ticket :D
You could also drive around all day with your fog lights on, knowing that no one will be game to say anything.

cheers. :)

[wayno]

Got my third $200 penalty in the mail yesterday for the month. Got two last year as well. Think that letter can't be too far away.....

[Road Runner 72]

Originally posted by wayno
Got my third $200 penalty in the mail yesterday for the month. Got two last year as well. Think that letter can't be too far away.....

Dats a copule less modles 4 you:D

[Y2kGoofball]

hey Ford Boy, I almost know how you feel

Acctually 2 weeks ago I almost lost mine thanks to my work taking advantage of me!

The story goes like this ...

IN NSW now P platers (provisional licence holders) have "red" and "green". You progress to red after your lerners, and have red for minimum 12 months. Then if you hold onto all your points you then progress onto green for 24 months, then finally unrestricted. The aim is so that no one legally under the age of 20 can have an unrestricted licence.

Now what happened was, although I was working as assistant to a manager, one day the director/company owner thought it'd be a good idea to collect plastic crates for extra $$$.

As it was on the monday I was sent into the city to pickup these crates, this was to become a permanant thing every Monday / Wednesday / Friday.

Now they used to use a small flat trayed truck, one of them trucks the next size up from a Landcruiser (ie Mitsubishi Canter size for those who knows trucks). However our company only owned a Holden 1 tonner. They had a specially built trailer made up too to pack with these crates when I went out as well.

However as I'm only on my "red" p's (my 12 months are up next week so I go for my green) I cant tow the trailer, as its unloaded weight exceeds 250 KG, on the plate it had its unloaded weight of 775 KG (ie you can tow a trailer as long as unloaded it weighs 250 kg)

They also made up "gates" for the tray, so it almost made like a cube sort of thing without a roof. The gates height was roughly 30 cm above the roofline.

Anyway I was told to pick up every crate, all 350 odd of them, stack em 22 high. As it was At 20 crates high the top crates sat about half a metre above the roof line.

I was warned to tie them down good, as wind gets under the top few crates and lifts them up and they go flying off the top.

So happy that I had packed them 20 high and fitted them all on, and satisfied I tied them down as told (not shown but told) I headed off.

Doing 90 KPH down the freeway (90's a red p platers max speed) I see this police car on the side of the road with its lights flashing. I thought how odd, they usually do that when theyve pulled someone over, but for some reason theres no one in front of them??

anyway I continued. Next thing I know I see out the side mirror (obviously you cant see out the rear view mirror) the police car, sirens blaring. I pull over in an emergency stop bay thinking to myself "it might be those dammn crates", although I did keep an eye out the side mirrors to see if I was dropping any and sure enough I couldnt see any.

So the coppa comes to the ute and asks me for my licence. Not are you aware your loosing crated, but "good morning, do you have your licence on you" The day I got my P's I was told if they ever take your licence its never good

Anyway I was most upset at the thought I could be copping a fine just for working.

As it was the cop saw how upset i was and said "look, because you havent had any fines or ever been pulled over since you got your lerners I'll let you off, but be warned next time you will be fined and lose demerit points. This has also been recorded against your licence number on the licencing database that ive spoken to you about an unsecure load"

Anyway relieved I got out and we had a look, sure enough the rope was still tight but there were 7 or 8 crates missing. I told the cop thats how I was told to tie them down and I was told "well because their falling off its still classed as unsecure load".

Anyway got back to work and told not to worry about it. They said if I had have rang them they would have talked the cop out of fining me anyway. Whats worse is the boss said the way I had tied them down is the way I was told, therefore "we mustnt be tying them down properly" and "this is a good learning experience for all of us so it doesnt happen to some other poor bugger"

Worried, on my way home I stopped at the local police station and asked to talk to a highway patrol cop. We sat down and went though it.

Red P - plater only has 4 demerit points. The fine I would cop is a $440 fine and loss of 3 demerit points. That leaves 1, and "believe me by the sounds of it we could probably find something else to take that 1 point away". (and honestly they probably could because the 1 tonner wasnt a standard 1 tonner)

I was also told what my boss told me is rubbish, sure he could have said "I sent him out to get it" but the law is I am the driver carrying a load, therefore I'm responsile.". As the cop put it "it doesnt matter whether its my ute, your ute or the companies ute, your the bloke whose driving it therefore its your responsibility to make sure its safe. If there falling off it doesnt matter who owns the ute or why youve got them on the back, the fact is their falling off and your responsible".

Also had the crates damaged a car or caused an accident I'm also responsible

When I sat down on the Tuesday to discuss it I was told "not to worry, your going for your green P's in a few weeks and then youve got what, 6 points to 'play with'?? So if I am fined I only lose 3 out of 6 points".

Nah, I dont think so so as you can imagine I left on Tuesday arvo and havent been back

Now that was an experience for me, and ive learnt now when the ad says "drivers licence required" and they say in the interview its so "you can drop mail into the post office, or do the general run around for stationary using the company car" thats not what theyve got in mind at all:)

Anyway hope you get yours back shortly and hope youve learned your lesson (you'll be learning your lesson when your walking in the cold winters morning while everyone else zooms past in their heated cars so if thats not enough i dunno what is)

[Nick Short]

The b******* will do that if they can get away with it! I'm sorry to hear your boss was so unscrupulous. I worked some years ago for a company that had me driving forklifts of various kinds on only one type of license, and then, because I used to unload trucks, had me shifting them around the yard without my HGV license. I was told I was covered by the company insurance, but if I'd hit anyone I'm willing to bet I'd be on my own ("he must have been driving it without authorisation")! Best of all, when they were short of drivers they tried to get me to take a load out on the open road!!! Proper Volvo FH12 semitrailer, which because I moved them round a tight yard they thought I'd be fine in open traffic. I was young but not that stupid, but they clearly hoped I'd oblige, just to get them off the hook. Can you imagine what would have happened if I'd gone through with it and been caught? I'd still be paying for it now! But then this was a company that cared so little for its employees that one of the managers visited a guy at his home to demand he came back to work, only 3 days after his 5 year old daughter had died of meningitis, and before she was even buried.
Don't do anything that will leave you carrying the can, especially if it isn't legal - bosses will do anything for an easy life, even if it means dumping on employees from a great height.

[Ford Boy]

Haha, Im pretty lucky in regards to our company car! Its pretty hard to get done for speeding. Its a little Ford Festiva that has copped an absoltue flogging, and is ready to die. Wont do more than 90 or so, unless its headed downhill. (true story!) Our bosses are pretty tough on speeding. Because they dont want to be seen a sa company with bad and dangerous drivers, our drivers cop it bigtime if they are dobbed in or, have any problems with their driving.

[Y2kGoofball]

Nick yes, similar aspect to where it was going for me, although yours is on a larger scale. Thats the problem when they hire "young but not stupid" people

Ford boy thats the difference, you can have bosses who care, who dont want to be seen as a bad company etc, or those who dont care as long as the job gets done cheap:)

[Ford Boy]

Yeah I guess.. they probably care more about their image, than about us! Having said that though, one of the bosses (theyre partners) just got his back after a 12 month walk. Got done doing 166 in a 90 zone. OUCH! Funny though, if you knew the guy!