Comparison or Review

[drof]

Thats my point Aussie, I know you have been doing this for the last year or so, but this is a Biante Forum, by all means have your say about Biante Models, but use the CC's site to give us your Review Essays, as this is a more appropiate site and Im sure the people at Southern Models Supplies would welcome your feedback more than us.
Is your life so boring that you have to carry around a ruler to every model shop to measure models so that they are exact replicas and are the right colour shades before you buy them.
How do you know for a fact that the Biante Models are a truer scale and not CC's? You compare CC's to Biante but what if the Biante model is incorrect in it's scale and colour? You are just ASSUMING that Biante is right and everyone else is wrong.
I am an avid collector probably like yourself and have over 400 various scale and various makes of models in my collection but as you are entitled to your own opinion, my last point is, if you listened to every movie reviewer you would watch no movies and to end it, everybody Hates Critics and if you dont think you are I dont think you even read your own thread it probably should be in the Sydney Morning Herald right next to Aunt Agony.

ps It is not a Review as you call it because a Review would only concentrate on one product.What you do have and this is what I am sick of is a comparison. If you would have just done a Review on the Russell Ingall Model and given us all the statistics this would have been fine.So don't go on about me not reading your thread properly when you dont even know yourself the difference between REVIEW and COMPARISON.

Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[GTSCoup]

The problem with your idea drof is that you have to be a member of the RCCA to gain access to the CC forum. Theirs is not free to the public like this one. If you can't post over there then where can you post?. I am not sure if Glenn is a member or not.

I have heard it being said that CC are hiding from criticism by having the forum only available for club members as the only people that would pay are fans of CC anyway. I don't know if that is true or not but it is what I have heard around the traps.

I do agree with you about the constant CC V Biante messages posted on here (and I assume on their forum as well). It's getting a bit over done I think.

[Troy_H]

I enjoy everyones comments on any model. The only way people find out about new models is when others let you know. Biante is the benchmark for Aussie models. Classics now seem to be making a product which is a good quality. Everyone wins with competition, it lifts the bar.

Biante dont make Setos car, I will settle for a classic one which is a good representation of the actual race car. It looks good with the other V8s on display.

Each to their own.

[wacpt]

GTSCOUP
I have heard it being said that CC are hiding from criticism by having the forum only available for club members as the only people that would pay are fans of CC anyway. I don't know if that is true or not but it is what I have heard around the traps.

Actually it's not true

I recently joined the CC club, purely out of curiosity. I have been an avid Biante fan for so long, I can't remember how many years, but thought what the hell. I'm a model nut, so I forked out the $45 to join CC.
Well, I got my members model and what a let down, I got an old one not the new one. How can I see the "IMPROVEMENTS" they've obviously made when mine doesn't have an interior, anyway, sorted that out and a NEW model is on it's way.

My point, you don't have to be a fan to join.

As for their forum, There's not many postings and definately NO COMPARISONS. Either nobody writes any or they are censored, but I have seen postings from people on the CC forum bagging Biante models and then seen the same people on this forum bagging CC models.

So who do you believe when someone compares the two?
I make my own judgements.

Enjoy the models for what they are, but don't start arguements no-one can win.

[The Judge]

As I see it, you can't have a heaven without hell, you can't have good without bad and you need to have comparitive models to be properly able to determine which is the best.

If no models exceed the quality of a CC then of course, THEY would be the best.

So......if we set Biante models as the benchmark, then we can determine better or worse based on that.

Although I have my own opinion. I look forward to and take note of the opinion of others. That is probably what the forum is about.

[wacpt]

The Judge
Fair comment. I too set Biante as the benchmark, but there are a lot of people that seem to prefer CC models and there always will be, probably not as many as those who like Biante models.

A review is a sensible way of pointing out things, but when the specs are put next to the competitions, then it becomes a comparison. Aussiecollector had the right idea, I just feel he shouldn't have put the Biante specs next to the CC specs.

Everyone is an expert, that's why reviews are basically personal opinions and there is nothing wrong with that, but the way Aussiecollector wrote his is more of a comparison than a review.

Inform the masses, then let them decide. Unfortunately, there are many who take these "reviews" as gospel, therefor, never forming their own validated opinion.

It's probably just the way I learn't English at school that I think Biante didn't need to be mentioned in the "Review" so many times. We know he was looking at the CC model and we know he was gauging it with the Biante model. Who else makes them.

Enough said

[Aussiecollector]

Drof,

Your in the wrong thread, completely of the point once again and at the risk of being banned an A Grade Jerk.

For you once again, I don't judge the models in the shop I buy them, I decided to do the review because it has not been done before and thought it might be good and helpful, obviously I hit a nerve with you.

Oh well next time I will write a good report for CC and gloss over everything shall I.

Looking forward to your next reply

Glenn

[drof]

Yet again Glenn you have missed the point so I will make it clearer this time.
YOU DID A COMPARISON NOT AS IN YOUR WORDS "A REVIEW"!!
I enjoy what other people have to say about new models, but as I keep saying, I hate it like you did was to make out that the CC's were an inferior product. You can't compare the two model makes unless you have 2 identical models from both manufacturers. We will be not able to do this until we see the DJR cars as these are done by both.
You still have'nt answered my question about what makes you think that Biante are the truer scale and not CC's? I agree that both manufactures cars look different along side one another but you just assume that Biante has the correct scale. What proof do you have to back up your claim?
And why am I a A Grade Jerk? because I have an opinion and it differs from yours? I don't have a problem with you as you are a fellow collector the problem is the way you compared the models instead of just reviewing the VX Ingall Commodore.

Regards once again

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[perry]

Drof, there are some serious issues here if you cant see the CC's are just plain cr@p and out of scale. You do not need to view the cars side by side to see that the biante products absolutely EAT the CC's for breakfast.

[drof]

Thanks for your opinion Perry, but I will ask you the same question that I asked Aussiecollector (and buy the way we have had a e-mail conversation and all is well between us now that we had cleared a few issues) What facts do you have beside your naked eye that you assume Biante are the truer scale and not other Manufacturers???????? I think that we will never find out because I think all manufacturers will think that their product is correct.
Do you collect only Biante Perry? because one would assume by your comments that you do. I personally think that you could rip **** into any manufacturer and find all sorts of faults in their model cars, but as the story goes we still collect them because we like them.
Another question for you Perry, If you are a die hard Lowndes fan and Biante did'nt have the rights to produce any 00 Motorsport Cars but CC's did, would you buy the CC's??????
Of cause you would, because will will collect anything and everything to make our collections complete regardless of who manufactures them.

Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!!

[perry]

I buy biante, as its the most accurately scaled Aussie model on the market. If CC's had a more accurate model, i would buy them. I consider Biante to be the benchmark, any thing below is cr@p.

This model (http://www.classiccarlectables.com.au/pages/image s/18/18007.jpg) just looks like a cheap toy. The way the bonnet bulges is terrible.


It looks like the new CC's "V8 Precision Replica" may just be what is needed to get my business look here. (http://www.classiccarlectables.com.au/images/18%2 0Engine.jpg) I'll have to check them out when released.


If you enjoy admiring mis-proportioned models, good on you. Personally, id rather give the substandard models a miss.

I buy models to admire the precision and manufacturing. I choose the shapes i want, as they are the cars im interested in, but a current 1:18 scale CC would get no attention (regardless of model/make) in my cabinet... and thats not value for MY money.

[drof]

Thanks for the reply Perry, but still no answer to my question. Why do you all think that Biante are the truer scale? Our own naked eyes and our impressions are'nt good enough proof for me. How do you know that the so called bonnet bulge is not an accurate scale of the real car?
I'm up for a good debate about this subject because I am not convinced anybody has given me proof of which make is the truer scale.

Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[perry]

Drof, now your just being a troll.

Youd have to be the only person on earth (including CC staff), that think CC is more accurate than Biante.

[drof]

Why is it when the going gets rough and tough questions get asked people start name calling. What is so hard about the question. I won't think of you any differently Perry if you just put your hand up and answered "I don't know"," the answer to your question Dave". If you know of any inside information about Diecast scaling by all means enlighten the rest of us. Are you now speaking on behalf of the CC's Staff as well.
I Don't think that CC's are more accurate than Biante nor do I think that Biante is more accurate than CC's the whole idea of this thread is to find out who has the truer scale by means of PROOF not personal opinions.

Thanks Again and Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[perry]

Im happy with my opinion that biante is the most accurate.

Your the one thats all concerned over it, so why dont YOU tell us which is the most accurate.

Please take your time.

[Aussiecollector]

Gee aren’t I glad I decided to do a review.

Please everybody calm down, even though I made some comparisons to the Biante it was never intended that it would be a slagging match I did it to show what I thought of the CC model I brought.

At the moment drof is right, until we get the measurements from the original cars (length and width) we can not categorically state that either model is correct, if you read my original thread all I did was point out the measurements of both cars, and I stated that the CC looked fatter than the Biante.

Sideon they don’t look too bad, and as a Mad perkins fan it is allowing me to display some more of my Favourite cars.

Yes the scale is important and if they say on the box its 1/43rd then we expect that it is, but as can been seen by displaying the two cars one is obviously wrong, and because of CC’s past performance we can only assume that Biante is correct.

Whilst I consider the scales important the thing that really gets me going is the attention to detail overall and the blatant disregard of our intelligence in the pursuit of easy profit. Biante is not perfect in fact they are far from it, there have been many well document mistakes that have been allowed to get through to us the buyers. The one that really ticked me off was the so called late season cars, which were promoted and packaged well but on closer inspection have just had stickers added over the top of the regular season cars, for example the rear bumper has the Siemens decal stuck over the top of the HSV painted decal and is very obvious.

Now this may spark another rash of violent threads against me because I have said something bad about Biante, but in reality have I said anything that was not true or obvious. We all need to calm down before typing (me included, no more threads on busy works days). Lets say what we think without outright abuse of the forum owners and theirs or anyone else’s product but at the same time we should be able to comment about anything that we feel is relevant to other collectors. Reviews and comparisons should informative and good fun.

Looking forward to the next review by whom ever

Cheers Glenn
:D :D

[drof]

Thats great Perry we are not that much unalike that I buy models that I am happy with in my opinion, but I still can't tell you which one is the truer scale, because, frankly, I don't know. Sure the 2 models are different in size,shape and bulgyness but again the whole idea of the thread is to find out by someone that knows what their talking about so we can find out the Truth.

Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!
ps what is a Troll?, is that an Aussie that hides under bridges.

[drof]

Great Thread Glenn, you can't see me but I am standing up giving you a round of applause for those superb words you wrote. It's always good to read threads that are well thought about and unbias.

Looking forward to future threads from you

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[perry]

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Have fun with that link, and enjoy!!

[the_goldie]

quote from Glenn: "The one that really ticked me off was the so called late season cars, which were promoted and packaged well but on closer inspection have just had stickers added over the top of the regular season cars, for example the rear bumper has the Siemens decal stuck over the top of the HSV painted decal and is very obvious. "

Aftre reading your post Glenn, I had a look at the rear of the Bathurst cars and I could not believe it!!! I was amazed. Does anybody know why BIANTE would do this. Did the Bathurst cars have the Siemens sponsorship stuck over the HSV logo on the real cars and thus BIANTE have produced the cars as raced???

See Glenn - I told you, you had a better eye for detail than me. You must get the magnifying glass out. Hmmm I might look over the other models now ;)


Cheers.

[drof]

Shock, Horror I did a bad thing this morning, while putting new models in my cabinet, and I blame you Aussiecollector for your influence, I actually put my new CC's Seton against Biante's 00 Green Eyed Monster and should I say it...... I compared them.
While both are different any various ways and I won't go into them, what I did pick up and would look great on the Biante Car's is the Underneath Detail.

Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[Aussiecollector]

Its not bad is it, the exhaust colour is good. I am currently detailing a HRT 2001 Skaife & Bright in a garage scene its called Titanium Silver.

I will post some pics once I get a new digital Camera

Glenn

[chups]

ok heres what ive dug up

actual car** Hight - 1450mm (1:43 - 33.7mm)
Lenght - 4891mm (1:43 - 113.7mm)

CC Hight - 1419mm -31 (1:43 - 33 mm)
Lenght - 5031mm +140 (1:43 - 117mm)

Biante Hight - 1376mm -74 (1:43 - 32mm)
Lenght - 4988mm +97 (1:43 - 116mm)

** actual car hight may be slightly higher as they are based on a standard commodore that has not been lowered.


so from what i can work out (without width of models), the CC car is close to actual hight but alot longer,(difference of 109mm) whereas the biante model, although the hight is out a bit more, the length is also out by a fairly proportional amount (difference of 23mm)

but when it all gets shrunk, these difference figures convert to 2.53 and 0.53 respectively so the length of the CC model is 2.53mm longer than it should be, and the biante model is only 0.53mm longer so it looks more proportional. - Case closed!

how bout someone does a comparison on the cc and biante 1:64 cars, now that would be funny. (sorry CC fans)

your figure hunter
-Chups-