djr sierra

[CRAIG KEITH]

Can anybody tell me how long temporarily out of stock means. I try at 8am to buy it but its "In Transit" so I go to work and when I get home it's "Temporarily out of stock". I'm not whingeing, thems the breaks, I bought the XD and XE after they were sold out so if I have to I'll do the same with the Sierra. How many in the production run, how many are gone, when are they likely to be back in stock?

[ferrari fan]

Well there are ,according to my certificate 6000 made and this is one hell of a model! sensational!
The green one was good the blue one was Ok but this one is IT
Ferrari red with the Ultra shell decals in Yellow,gold wheels and a paintfinnish that is of the highest quality.
It is looking great next to the green one and I was going to sell mine but due to an accident where the box got damaged I kept it .What a pair of ford model cars,against the holden models and not to forget the Nissan Godzilla car ,now all we need is the Mazda Peter Stuyvesant sponsored one and the Thunderus VB/K comodores in Marlboro livery with a Camaro rolled around....
Stanbridges ,here in Perth do have 4 unallocated cars so maybe that is a way to get them ;Stanbridges hobbyshop Mt. Lawley Perth

P.S. You SHOULD get an updated brochure with your car that is the same leaflet that came out with the first model the Bryan Byrt XC
this leaflet is exactly the same other than that at the back it now mentioned #the next model will be the Ford RS 500 Sierra ........etc#

[wesley charles]

You think thats bad' I ve been checking the sight 3 times a day for the last week and this morrning I also checked it at 8.00 am, again at 10.00 am and again at 1.30 PM and it was still in transit, got home at 5.00 pm and they are all gone, got the same question to ask, how many were left that wern't already accounted for.

[passenger]

after reading the above, i guess i must be lucky .
not having the luxury of inter net use through the day , i rang the wife at 2pm to have a look for me , was still in transit .
in the goodness of her heart after picking up the kids she tried just after 4pm and BINGO she ordered 1 for me .
like others they were all gone when i got home also .

:D :D


P.S . ferrari fan - sounds like you have one already
thats quick service sounds good
can`t wait .

[admin]

Our apologies to all on the unbelievable sellout of this model.

There has been over 200 orders per hour come in and the site did not have enough stock due to a restricted shipment.

There will be a further quantity delivered in a few weeks, but this model has been a victim of the huge demand worldwide for very high quality accurate models of importance.

All the factories producing these models are flat out and running at 110% of capacity 7 days a week.

Let us get an update on the final delivery and we will post on the site.

There may be a few more come thru this week due to "empty" credit cards etc, so just keep a lookout.

[CRAIG KEITH]

Thanks for the reply, mr admin. I only started collecting your cars to enhance my extensive DJR memorobilia collection, thanks to this forum I purchased the first four DJR cars at a reasonable price. Hopefully I'll get the Sierra without too much damage to the balance. It does make me think maybe all these HRT supporters are'nt as backward as I think, I'll probably end up buying my Sierra off them, it might supplement their dole check. (That is a joke) :D

[ferrari fan]

All of the people involved in making this model (and all the others) have to be applauded
The Cosworth will be wanted all over the world ,It is realy a standout and rivals the best in my collection
thanks very much Trevor and Bev

[ferrari fan]

I have been trying to get one for a friend who lives in the country and they are SOLD OUT two days after release!
Is biante going to make some more of these or are a lot of people going to miss out?
this would be a shame as this is a great model. I am looking forward to the other variants of this great car

[berkut76]

I don't mean to set off mass panic, but this is what I've read on other forum:
"If you haven't noticed the DJ Sierra has been released and you had better hurry.There are only 6000 produced, and most dealers have had their orders halfed, meaning that there are 3000 models short and no one know where they are."

Regards,
Sergey

P.S. Please don't shoot the messenger!

[oldxr]

Admin, is it true what berkut76 has stated.:confused: :confused:

[berkut76]

Here is the deal as I see it (or would like to believe it). Fact: every place is already sold out of the DJR Sierra. At this point ALL of us would like to think that it's a production and distribution snag. Let's stick to this view until Admin would tell us otherwise.

However, I would like to speculate on some other stuff. A couple of 1:18 scale racing Sierras 500 are scheduled to be released by Minichamps. So, if the Biante's DJR Sierra is made by AutoArt is there a licensing or distribution conflict of interest for Biante, which is a major distributor of Minichamps products?!

A few years back, Maisto has acquired an EXCLUSIVE license from Mercedes Benz to produce a 1:18 scale model of SLK 230 roadster. Although, it wasn't meant to be. A UT, which is now called AutoArt, acquired license from AMG (a major MB tuner) to produce a 1:18 scale model of the AMG "tuned" MB roadster. At that time, AMG was an independent company. Both, MB and Maisto went ballistic, but couldn't do anything.

Could Biante be facing the same "dilemma" right now. It could have gotten a license to produce the DJR's Sierra from Ford of Australia while Minichamps obtained the license directly from the Ford HQ? This is my THEORY only. Right now I'm working for Intellectual property law frim, and it deals with this sort of patent disputes and IP infringement. I probably should spend less time at the office.

Regards,
Sergey

[ferrari fan]

from discussions I have had ,of this model ,with oversees collectors,they are very keen to get their hands on one off them .
Since this car came out there has not been a propper model like the DJR made in 1/18 and it is a Icon in modern motorsport all over Europe. The DJR car is even well known in England as Dick apperantly creamed the locals with the pace he was able to get out of the beast?!
It would be a shame if most are missing out and the price on the aftermarket goes silly ,just look at the green DJR car it has gone nuts .The DJR collection of cars is looking outstanding and the variaty of colour/modelshapes is a very pleasing aspect.
A RS500 ANZ or MOBIL will sure be happening sometime
together with the Eggenberger disqualification saga

[admin]

Originally posted by berkut76
I don't mean to set off mass panic, but this is what I've read on other forum:
"If you haven't noticed the DJ Sierra has been released and you had better hurry.There are only 6000 produced, and most dealers have had their orders halfed, meaning that there are 3000 models short and no one know where they are."

Regards,
Sergey

P.S. Please don't shoot the messenger!

Absolute garbage!!
Admin

[admin]

The only thing wrong with forums that have multiple threads on the same subject is that people come out with mouths blazing before they read what has gone before.
I have clearly stated that this model is made by MINICHAMPS.
Its on the box as well.
So before endowing us all with theories and speculation, read the topic thoroughly and then comment. Thanks.
ADMIN

[berkut76]

I apologize for that, but I have had no idea that MC made the Sierra. Furthermore, when I asked one of the dealers, which has already put this model up for an auction he told me that this was an AA product like all previous Biantes. On your part admin, you could have been less snappish with your "mouth blazing" comment.

Regards,
Sergey

[admin]

berkut76, I dont think the comment was unwarranted.
You put up 2 comments, both highly contentious without checking any facts.
Your contributions to the forum are normally of benefit to all, but in this case, most points were inaccurate and only cause concern to newer members.

[The real OZ GP]

Berkut, the DJR sierra is in fact made by minichamps ,so thats one theory out the window I am afraid .

The car is fantastic and I am now looking forward to more Sierra releases , maybe in bright yellow with some blank spaces for naughty weed words ;) The Black Eggenberger cars will by great too , and a Moffat ANZ car would be nice and of course an 05 Mobil car , gonna need a case just for Sierras HOORAY


OZ

[WESTY]

It goes to show how popular this model is, I am a regular collector and have purchased from the same supplier for years,
They ring me when a model comes in and I can go there when it suits and the model is waiting for me.
Just received my phone call for the Sierra but was told I have to collect this week only, other wise it will go to someone else.
They have had that many people wanting this model they said they can not hold it longer than a week.

:cool:

I cant wait till I pick it up !!!

[pdg666]

Originally posted by ferrari fan

Is biante going to make some more of these or are a lot of people going to miss out?


Are you serious Ferrari Fan, Make more, well i hope they dont i think 6000 is quite sufficient for a LE dont you think ?
i sincerely hope not too many people did miss out, but i have missed out on some models and have had to pay inflated market prices.
First in Best Dressed.

[ET351]

I agree with you, pdg666. The reason I collect these is that (a) I like 'em and (b) they're collectable. I too have had to pay more to get ones I've missed on first release, but that's the way it goes. That's why I'm happy to pay for a quality, Ltd Ed product. Otherwise I may as well buy mass produced toys!!

On another ferrarifan point, is that the Eggenberger with or without the illegal bodywork and fuel ;) (just trying to lighten the atmosphere in here!!)

My Sierra is at the PO and I can't wait to get it. Hurry up tomorrow!!!

Cheers, ET351

[v8coupe]

Originally posted by admin
Our apologies to all on the unbelievable sellout of this model.

There has been over 200 orders per hour come in and the site did not have enough stock due to a restricted shipment.

There will be a further quantity delivered in a few weeks, but this model has been a victim of the huge demand worldwide for very high quality accurate models of importance.

All the factories producing these models are flat out and running at 110% of capacity 7 days a week.

Let us get an update on the final delivery and we will post on the site.

There may be a few more come thru this week due to "empty" credit cards etc, so just keep a lookout.

Just wondering if Biante knows ruffly how many are still left to come through?

[passenger]

well some people just cant wait, there are two DJR sierra`s
on buy & sell for sale already
1.in W.A. 17th aug
1. in A.C.T. 15th aug ( 1 day after release ! )
both make an offer $$$
guess they didn`t like them or really wan`t them ! :confused:

[Nick Short]

Other than the "illegal" stickers the Peter Jackson RS500 was a looker as well. The '87 Texaco Bathurst winners/losers looked fantastic, and I'm still waiting for ANY manufacturer to get round to producing a 1:18 road-going RS500 (white, moonstone blue or black).....

[CRAIG KEITH]

Get a life sergey old mate, and relax.

[berkut76]

I agree with you Craig, but sitting in the office on Sunday afternoon still beats the hell out of going to an unemployment assiatance government branch on Monday.

Sorry for the screw up again.

Sergey

[ferrari fan]

I personaly could not care it there are 6000 or 600.000 made of a model ,the more people are involved in this pasttime the better and the more different models are available. I personaly find it sad that many collectors do miss out . I do have a feeling that this Ford Sierra is going to set a record for desirebility ,but that is just me.
Ivf you can get this model ,do not pass up the chance as it is outstanding.

[the_goldie]

For those who do miss out and are Brock fans there will always be Brock's Sierra in the future.

[pdg666]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
I personaly could not care it there are 6000 or 600.000 made of a model

I can't believe you said that Ferrari Fan, These models are high quality diecast replica's. Surely you dont think the quality would stay the same if they were mass produced like Matchbox or Dinky do you ? 600,000 Limited Edition NOT!!!

[ferrari fan]

6000 or 600.000 was only a matter of speak to indicate how I personaly feel regarding the matter
The old Bburago's were mass produced and even with their large number and primitive execution ,some of them command a lot of money (unfortunatly) ,that is collecting for me
I like to see this sort of model available to every one that wants one but that is just me. I nearly sold a carmodel recently and only an accident with it, stopped it I do not sell any models unless I have them more than once or they are not what i like at all.
There are models in my collection that are worth a big sum ,. They are not for sale
that is just my way and I do respect another point of view
Happy ccollecting and enjoy what you already got ,it will only get bigger/better.:)

[nirvana]

Originally posted by berkut76
I don't mean to set off mass panic, but this is what I've read on other forum:
"If you haven't noticed the DJ Sierra has been released and you had better hurry.There are only 6000 produced, and most dealers have had their orders halfed, meaning that there are 3000 models short and no one know where they are."

Regards,
Sergey

P.S. Please don't shoot the messenger!


There are only 6000 produced, and most dealers have had their orders halfed, meaning that there are 3000 models short and no one know where they are."

Errrrr......is this part absolute garbage?

[ET351]

It's Here!!!

Picked it up today, and must say that ferrarifan's assessment is spot on. Terrific detail, well made, and true to the original. Although after taking it out (carefully;) ) and having a play, it's probably got the worst turning circle I've seen!

Well done, Biante (and Minichamps). A truly great piece of memorabilia.

Cheers, ET351

[admin]

Originally posted by nirvana



There are only 6000 produced, and most dealers have had their orders halfed, meaning that there are 3000 models short and no one know where they are."

Errrrr......is this part absolute garbage?

Where are you people getting this rubbish from.

One (1) dealer had the supply cut by 24 models due to an overdue account. This happens now and then with every release and is no big deal.

EVERY other, (that mean ALL in case you cannot understand),dealer got their FULL allocation as ordered by them.

Admin

[Aussiecollector]

Admin,

you gone asian, you sounding funny in your reply.

[Road Runner 72]

All I can say is, I just hope I can get my hands on one, hates working afternoonshift..................


Sounds like its a fantastic looking model.


Take care all

[Aussiecollector]

Question,

Not having one of these, is this car a scratch built Biante, or has it been lifted from the minichamps range like the GTR was from Kyosho. Now if this has been asked and answered elswhere I have't seen it. This is not a critisism its just a question.

Glenn

[Richard Poole]

Glenn.

The Sierra is built from a Minichamps mould but all details and tooling was checked over and adjusted by Biante before being signed off for production.

[goxu1]

Does this mean that Minichamps will release different versions ?

[admin]

If you want to make full use of the site , you will see you only have to type SIERRA into 'Keywords' and all the Sierras will be listed.
The Australian ones wont be yet though as we are still prioritising them, but suffice to say there will be 3 or so more.
The Aussie ones are exclusive to Biante and will not be sold worldwide.
We contribute all the art work and graphics and finance any componentry that is needed to make the accurate model of our cars. There are quite a few new and different components.
I have asked Minichamps to consider doing one of the Eggenberger cars from Bathurst, just so the Sierra fans can have "a full grid" so to speak of Bathurst Sierra. It is under consideration.

[Aussiecollector]

Thanks Richard.

Question answered.

Glenn

[passenger]

thanks ADMIN :

that saved me writing a question i had .
when you said - ' suffice to say there will be 3 or so more'
would one by chance be the 1988 longhurst/mezera
B&H sierra ??? (with the blank space of cause )
:)

[BSB]

A "BIG THANKYOU" to the person that opted out of their order for their DJR Sierra, as I was first in line to receive this beautifully detailed model..........it rocks

[Dazz]

I picked up my DJR Sierra yesterday and have to say that it is one of the best models released so far.

The detail is very good, especially underneath, and the model captures the look of the real thing extremely well.

I will definitely be hoping for a Moffat/Hansford (Sandown 500 winner) ANZ version as well as a Brock Mobil version. The Bond Caltex cars also looked pretty tough, and I guess a black Eggenberger car would look pretty trick as well.

[lachlan]

Check out this Auction on e-bay:

BIANTE 1:18 JOHNSON/BOWE SIERRA
Item # 1760619069

There should be some kind of law stopping this person from selling cars at such a maked up price, $295 for a model that they get for dealers prices, what a rip off!! I think Biante should stop dealing with this person.

Shouldn't they have to sell there models for retail price? I bet if you rang them up they would tell you that they have all been sold.

What a Joke! The sad thing is that people will probarbly pay it.
I personaly would never deal with this place on principle.

[Renz Man]

I couldn't agree more Lachlan. I just registered to use the forum to bring this to others attention. The 'dealer' has the one on E Bay you listed ($295), plus also has a number on Sold.com for $249. This is blatent abuse of being a 'dealer' in my opinion. They had prior access to the general public in being able to order a number of these models, probably at a cheaper than retail rate.

It stinks, & as you say I hope no one buys them. But due to the demand I'm sure they will be sold. I'm sure there will be a lot of annoyed people who missed out in obtaining 1 at release, seeing these people holding them to ransom. :mad:

[biante1921]

Traffic toys is the retailer why not name them.
They seem to do it every time something is released that will increase in price over night.
I do a lot of reading on this sight but very rarely comment but seeing that price is a bit RUDE.

[Jed]

It would be a whole 'nother matter if they listed them with a starting bid at cost, or even retail price (and NO RESERVE), and let the "market" decide the final price... I'd have no problem with that, no matter what the final price...
But what this retailer (Traffictoys) has been doing for ages is called GOUGING, and since Biante are surely well aware that it's been going on, it is beyond my ability to comprehend why they (Biante) continue to supply them (Traffictoys) with any product
AT ALL!!

Now that's off my chest, I'll get down off the soapbox...

Keep The Shiny Side Up!!

Ed. C.

[lachlan]

I agree Jed, I wouldn't mind if they went about it that way either.

[admin]

We appreciate your point and concern but please understand the total scene.
They purchases all our goods across the 6 brands and list all sorts on the website of ebay, sold etc.
No one complains when they put Benettons or McLarens or BMW;s on, although I do agree the tactic of whacking a Sierra on within hours of release is a bit stupid. Could only lose a heap of customers I would think.
But it is everyones right to run their business how they choose and no one can deny them that right.

[Jed]

Point taken admin.. but surely, since all 'dealers' pay wholesale price (I presume) for these models, Should they not have an obligation placed on them to sell at NO MORE than a maximum "recommended retail" price?
You are correct about them losing customers, as I for one decided long ago that I will never do business with them, but the sad fact is, that someone WILL pay their inflated prices..
I stand by my earlier comment about price GOUGING, and it should not be tolerated IMO.

That makes it 4c. worth today...

Keep The Shiny Side Up!!

Ed. C.

[XR8]

Thanks for the info on Traffic guys. I've been looking everywhere for a Sierra, and I was going to get one from them. They've helped me out a couple of times with models, the most notable being the Greens-Tuf XE. I paid $269 for it when they'd not long sold out on the Biante site. But I WON"T pay $295 or more for a Sierra!!!
Ed :)

Edit: Didn't see the one for $249 until after I posted this!!!
Looks like I won't be stung too bad!

[admin]

Jed I agree totally, but the law is I cannot set any sort of retail price level..only suggest a RRP.
Water tends to seek its own level and these things even out over time.
We have been juggling this whole thing since the day we bought out the first XY on July 1st 1988. It frankly gives us the *****, but some people cannot do basic maths and realise that to sell 60 models a month, year in year out, works out far more profitable than to kill off all your customers with a "quick kill" over a few months.
The first Moffat car was being sold by a QLD shop at Indy in 1998, straight out of the shipping carton, for $600. That shopowner is now working in Coles or something. Collectors aren't stupid!

[ET351]

Admin, I have to agree with your sentiments. There's not much you can do, but the real collectors will dictate how much business these 'dealers' get.

I remember seeing a track red XY in a shop at the Gold Coast in 1999 (could have been the same shop). It was the week before Indy, and he had $500-00 on it (no doubt trying to cash in on the petrol heads in town). That was the first Biante I saw, but I didn't buy it, being hesitant to part with half a grand for a model (and with my wife staring daggers at me :( ).

Real collectors know the values, and even if we miss out, we know what is a reasonable price to pay on the market. I just feel sorry for those new to the scene, make the impulse buy, and regret it later. Of course, they won't go back to the rip-off merchants, and, as you say, those guys end up packing shelves (with Elvis) at late night stores :D

Cheers, ET351

[jager]

Its regrettable that some dealers seek to profit in this way, but remember that most retailers also stuck with excess stock of less desirable models. No one complains when they buy a model for $ 50 or $100 below the original retail price, so the opposite should apply equally. This also applies to Minichamps, IXO and other manufacturers models as much as it does to Biante models.

The profits made on a handful of Sierra models will quickly be absorbed by the "loss" on other models.

PS I am in no way affiliated with Traffic Toys (have never even purchased a model from) but just posting an alternative viewpoint.

[Jed]

Hey XR8...

Go to www.frontlinehobbies.com (They're in Newcastle)

Just checked, & they have the Sierra's listed ($169.00 or thereabouts)
Don't get knocked down in the rush!!

Keep The Shiny Side Up!!

Ed. C.

[Oh Five]

On the other side, perhaps $295 will be a good price, look at the green xe, its not even a bathurst winner but its pulling $400 plus!!!!!!!
Still i agree, traffic toys are - - - - - - - - '- !!!
I would have had the green one, but somebody backed out of a "phone handshake".
cheers

[XR8]

Originally posted by Jed
Hey XR8...

Go to www.frontlinehobbies.com (They're in Newcastle)

Just checked, & they have the Sierra's listed ($169.00 or thereabouts)
Don't get knocked down in the rush!!

Keep The Shiny Side Up!!

Ed. C.

Jed, thanks heaps for that, just placed my order!!
I'd gone and got the one off Sold for $249 but.. :(
Anyone who might be looking for a Sierra will be welcome to
buy my $249 one when I get it, only extra cost will be freight.
I'm not interested in making a fortune on it, just want my money
back!!!

Ed :)

[jamiemann]

while your talking about dealers holding models and selling them later theres alot of them doing it. My local shop in Brisbane also does this they say there sold out and you say dam i really wanted one and they say look i have one here that a customer brought back its dearer but ill sell it to you "at double the price" and you buy it go back a day later and he has another on the shelf. And yes its there busness and they can do as they wish but come on fair suck of the sav (Gateway models)

Jamie

[berkut76]

I agree with most of the comments about Traffictoys. He is one brazen jerk. A while ago, I wanted to get some model from him. He quoted me a freight charge of $40US(!) for it, shipped economy air. When I pointed out to him that Biante charges $30AUD for the same service, he replied that as a large business Binate gets special discounts from Australian postal carriers. What a bunch of... However, he is an exception. As an overseas buyer, I've dealt with a number of Aussie dealers, and ALL of them were wonderful to deal with even if I didn't buy anything in the end.

As for DJR's Sierra. I hope that the Biante's upcoming pre-order program for the Moffat/Bond twin set would prove viable. So, that in the future, avid collectors as ourselves would be able to pre-order items in advance without going through extra hurdles.

Regards,
Sergey

[jager]

From the newsletter 21/8/02 (Wednesday) :-

"The balance of the Johnson Sierra models are now also available to go on the site tomorrow with the new models. HOWEVER, in fairness to all the people that had e-mailed us immediately they sold out, we have contacted each of them and they have until 11.59 Perth time tomorrow to confirm their order. Any models that are left over at 12 noon tomorrow will be placed back onto the site for general sale."

Did any additional Sierra's actually make it onto the site ? Did anyone get one yesterday at 12.01 ?

[the_goldie]

Hi Jager,

I was checking the site 30mins before and an hour after that time and couldn't see any hint of additional sierras being released.

Looks like this is one sought after model.

[drof]

Jamiemann, are you sure that the models at Gateway you are talking about are his own stock or stock he has bought on the open market or from other Dealers to satisfy customer demand? I have been dealing with Gateway for a couple of years and have not had any problems. They even went the extra mile for me when I missed out on a couple of 1:64's, they bought them off another Dealer so I would'nt have a gap in my collection, and that is why I have asked you the above question.
Unless people know the facts, like asking the dealer involved, I hate it when people make comments blindly and without proof.

Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[911targa]

:D I have to make comment about the alleged $295 Sierra - I have checked ebay and that price is a 'buy it now' price. The auction starts at $1!! If you want to pay $295 that's up to you, but Traffic Toys are taking bids from one dollar - that doesn't mean you have to pay $295 to get one. I buy heaps of Minichamps models from them at cheaper than anywhere else - they are great retailers - check their feedback on ebay - there are over 1100 positive feedbacks on ebay and around 600 on sold.com and their customers rave about them. As far as I am concerned they are a credit to Biante. Oh yes by the way, they also sell Biante models at a loss - check out their prices for some of the year 2000 racing Commodores and a mate of mine just bought a Goss XY from them at $129 - he saw one in the Trading Post for $250! Maybe you have got an axe to grind Lachlan.

[Renz Man]

It is all very well for TrafficToys to have a start price of $1 & a 'Buy it Now' option of $295 as highlighted.

If this was the case, my question would be, what is the reserve price where the model will actually be sold? I bet it's well over the $168 release price. Anyway, when I looked at the particular auction, I didn't think there was an option to make a bid - I'm sure there only was the 'Buy it Now' option (the 2002 Lowndes GEM only has the 'Buy it Now' option).

For the record, I have purchased models from TrafficToys previously, & if they have ones I'm after in the future I will do so again. I just seriously disagree with what they have done with this particular item.

[911targa]

HI Renzman - my Goss mate bought his Sierra at Games World which are HUGE stockists of Biante - he paid $189 for it so I guess Biante won't ever sell Games World any more models (look - there's a flying pig!).

I only have one comment to make to all these collectors wingeing about model prices - when the time comes when you no longer love your Red XY or your Moffat XY or your Sierra or whatever, or your wife cracks it big time and wants the space back in her "Good China cabinet" or needs the $$'s to buy shoes for the kids, are you going to flog them off for $168 each(or whatever the price was when you bought it)? You bet not! You will want what every other bugger wants that advertise in the Trading Post or forums like that - and that's - BIG DOLLARS - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Welcome to the wonderful world of hypocrisy!

[lachlan]

The last time I brought a 1:43 scale model of them and they said postage was $6, no problem, at the same time I decided to buy two other 1:43 models of them to save on postage. They charged me $18 to post 3 1:43 scale models. What a rip off. I rang them up to complain and they said it was $6 each! The postage for all of them wouldn't have come anywere near that. When I rang them to complain they didn't want to know me. NEVER AGAIN!
If you are happy to buy from, well good luck to you, and good luck when something goes wrong.

[Renz Man]

Chill 911Targa - I think you have missed my original point. TrafficToys had access to a number of the Johnson Sierra's before the general public had the chance, probably at a retail cost. For them to immediately list their items at prices of $250+ is a bit off in my opinion.

If the models were started at a more 'reasonable' price like $189 & rocketed up to to $300 figure there would be no issue. I guess the market will ultimately decide & good luck to them if they can off load their stocks - and I'm guessing they will. I for one will not be purchasing one. Each to their own, & their opinions!
:D

Finally, I didn't realise that I indicated that becasue of what they are doing, they should not have access to models in the future:confused:

[oldxr]

Well, i just collected mine last night (thursday) and have to say WOW, what a fantastic model car.
On the other part of the subject, i deal with a small diecast model shop near where i live and have never had a proplem with paying over retail, even for odd stuff he has to find for me, he also allways seems to still have one or two models left of each new release when you guys are complaning that their all sold out, which he sells "AT RETAIL", i've supressed the urge to buy the extra sierras he has because i hate what these crooks are doing to people who just want own a small piece of their favorite oz motor sport history, plus i don't what to upset the relationship i have my dealer as i know he is a genuine collector just the same as me.:D

[911targa]

This is probably enough on this point - BUT - these Sierras you talk about are listed at $1 each starting price! Surely that is what you want isn't it?
I also think it somewhat naive to expect a retail store to not be able to purchase these models at below retail price - I believe that is called a "Wholesale price". These shops aren't a charity - it's a job for them and whether you dig holes for the council, work in an Insurance office or sell model cars over a counter, everyone has to make a living. I am sure this Traffic shop has huge rents, a mortgage and kid's school fees just like the rest of us. We live in a land of free enterprise (thank God!) and I for one wouldn't have it any other way. My grandfather didn't take a bullet at Gallipoli to have some form of retail communism take over this country! (no my name's NOT Ted Bullpit!).

[Renz Man]

I agree Targa - my last comments. The ones they are listing now are starting at $1 - the 2 'Buy it Now' auctions I saw, one was sold using that option & the $295 E Bay one was cancelled & started again from $1 with a reserve price.

Fully aware of the overheads etc for a business, & they should get 'wholesale' rates for obvious reasons (my family run a large, successful business). It just grates me to see what happened with the immediate prices these Sierra's were first listed with, & the sorry people who missed out on getting this item.

Anyway, other things to do - good 'discussing' the topic with you Targa:)

[911targa]

Well the bottom line is that not one of these Sierras has been sold at $295 as of now.
It will be interesting to watch the $1 item through to the end. I guess that whatever it finishes at is what the Australian public are willing to pay for one. It's in their hands, not the shop's. Cheers.:D

[frosty]

Hi All,

For what it is worth, there is ONE DJR Sierra available at Games World, Southland - Cheltenham, Vic as at 2:00pm AEST. 23-8-02

It is $179.95.

I wish you luck.

Go for it.

[Andrew]

Just a quick post to add what I think of the DJR Sierra - (and nothing about any eBay or Sold auctions)

I was fortunate enough to obtain one of the aforesaid Sierras, and am totally blown away by it. It is great detail (although no more detailed than the DJR XE and XD). The dimensions look just 'right', and I have to congratulate Minichamps on a fantastic car, and Biante, on an exceptional modifictaion process to bring it to the Johnson Shell vehicle. It is a true credit.

I paid more than the $169 retail, even though I got my car brand new from my local. So I don't know what's going on there. Admittedly I paid an extra $11, but I don't really mind too much as his stock was all pre-sold a while back, and he has always treated me very well. Anything I need, he gets it for me. No questions.

Commiserations to those who cannot get one, or refuse to pay hyper-inflated prices. I don't blame you. I would love one or two of the early Moffats, but can't justify the price. Keep your eyes peeled, you may get lucky (that's what I'm hoping to do one day).

I heard from my dealer that some of the other dealers were under the impression that the Johnson Sierra was to be the Touring Car Champion, and not the Bathurst winner. So they cut back their orders when their customers showed a lack of interest. Now that it turns out that the car is the Bathurst winner, there is a mad scramble for cars. I can't vouch for the truth of this statement, but that is what I have had told to me.

So, I have to finish by saying that the Sierra is an awesome vehicle, and well worth the money (the original retail that is). If you haven't seen one, try and have a look at one, and I'm sure even Holden fans will have to admire the craft involved in the construction of this model.

[Andrew]

One last thing. I read from one of these forums that Johnson went over to Pommy land with his Sierra and thrashed their cars, before his went bang. Can anyone provide me with any info regarding when he did this, track, etc. and anywhere where I might be able to purchase any footage of this (ie. Pitstop Bookshop)?

Thanks.

[Dazz]

Here is a bit of info you might be interested in. I seem to remember it being water pump failure that put the car out.

"For 1988, the ETC was back in the premier position, but only the dominent Ford Sierra RS500's and the BMW M3's remained. Nissan joined after a few rounds, but most of the privateers had gone and it was left to a bunch of slow amateurs to fill the back, mostly only competing because the Group A series in their country had died and they had nowhere else to race. The 1987 WTC Champ Roberto Ravaglia managed to win the 88 ETC in his M3, but only because the two factory Sierra's took points off eachother all the time, while all BMW's efforts went into Ravaglia. The writing was on the wall by the time the series got to Silverstone in September for Round 12 (of 14). Rumors were flying that the series would be axed at the end of 88, and it was here were the series had both a great day and embarrassing day. After having only 3 cars capable of winning all year (only 2 Texaco Sierra's and Ravaglia's BMW were competitive at each round, although others had won due to these teams bad luck), the main players were blown away by the Australian Sierra of Dick Johnson, who led and broke the lap record until retiring, and eventual winner Andy Rouse"

[lachlan]

I have the model aswell and it is great, but I still think the XE is better detail and finish. If you look at the graphics on the back and front you will see that there decals (look at the shell emblems on the back and you can see the clear bit in the middle to space them correctly) were on the XE it has been pad printed all over. Thats the only thing I can pick at it (besides under the bonnet were you can see through the fire wall for the left hand drive version). Still, its a model worth having in your collection.

[Andrew]

Thanks Dazz, this is something I would definitely like to know more about.

I might do some searching around.

[drof]

Who re-opened the thread?
Last time I read this Richard Poole had closed this thread and thanked everyone for their contributions!!

Dave from Kiwiland!!

[mustang1966]

Well after a stressfull week of trying to find the Sierra, I managed to get one.

Every modelshop I contacted/spoke on the phone to told me good luck. Sold.com.au had them in there at $249 and they had several cars. Someone out there is going to make a nice profit but it ain't from me.

I contacted Mark at pitstop models (Melton Victoria) and he said may have one spare but needed to check with those who normally buy off him. After a few days I spoke to him again and said he had saved me one. That brought a big smile to my face and now I am as happy as a pig in ****.


In future I intend to buy all my cars off Mark as he seems intent on looking after his customers as they will come back to him.

As I said, I am very happy but still have a few friends who have collected all DJR cars to date that will miss out, for those collectors I feel sorry.


Cheers
Mark

[Highlander]

Since the Sierra is part of the DJR Collection ,why was it restricted to 6,000 UNITS,when Tru Blu was released there were 8,247 units,the larger release meant every one got one at retail price,instead of being Scalped.
The Sierra could have sold out 8,247units so perhaps Admin could explain why Different Models in the same Collection didnt have the same release numbers.

[terrine]

all this fuss and we havent even got to the DJ greens-tuf mustang yet...now there is a model with similarity..yet difference

there will be a riot

[mustang1966]

terrine spot on.

How is that little gem going to look in the collection.

But then again I am biased towards Mustangs.

[Rat]

I might be having a stab here, but I think the 'Rock XD' will be the hardest to get.

[bayden]

Mustang 1966. I agree with those sentiments. I also missed out on the DJR Sierra from the club site and in a desperate struggle and numerous phone calls, contacted Mark at Pitstop, with the same result- a Sierra at release price. Mark seems to me to be one of those genuine retailers who like to look after their customers, I'll do the same and may have to buy all my models from Mark as well.

[mustang1966]

Well I am just waiting on mine in the post. I have had a quick look on several web sites and check the buy it price on this little gem

:rolleyes:

http://au.page.sold.yahoo.com/au/auction/511293047 ?aucview=0x23

:rolleyes:

[Andrew]

Someone's going to get burnt if they pay the full price being asked for the car in that auction. The car is signed on the roof, but it doesn't justify a price hike (or reserve) of that much. And the certificate with the car is signed anyway. Someone's being a bit greedy....

[ferrari fan]

A sierra was sold on the diecast swapmarket yesterday for about 180 dollars and another was for sale at best offer.
it seems that a few people have had the chance to stock up!
there was also a VL bathurstwinner with a box with some waterdamage but the model untouched and this went for $80.00 !!!! what a bargain!!
I scored a nice tractor Allis Chalmers D16 1/16 scale by ERTL:D

[berkut76]

Wow, there seems to be NO SHORTAGE of $300AUD Sierras on auction sites like eBay and Sold. It looks like that not just SOME collectors, but A LOT of collectors missed out on that model.

Regards,
Sergey

[VRSS]

hehe....well that Sierra didn't sell......got only two bids at $10 incriments after it started at $200!!!!

[mustang1966]

Another interesting item I found on Sold.com concerning the DJR Sierra.



http://au.page.sold.yahoo.com/au/auction/511303758 ?aucview=0x23


are 14 X 1/18 CC cars worth 1 DJR Sierra?

[goxu1]

I'd stand well back if I was him , he'll be knocked over in the rush to swap all that cr@p for a sierra.....

[Andrew]

Re: Sold.com Sierra. It is a noble blurb at the bottom by Bridge Model Cars to want to fill their existing orders. But....

Not having had any experience with CC's, I don't really know their quality. The Johnson Sierra is good, but is it worth 14 cars? He must be desperate if he is willing to trade 14 cars @ $30 each for one Sierra. Would anyone want to sacrifice their valuable DJR car for 14 cars of questionable (by comparison) quality that will peobably be worth very little (comparatively)?

[Graeme]

Dick and J.B. contested the Tourist Trophy at Silverstone in 1988 and blew them all into the weeds until brakes and water pump problems intervened. They finished 21st in the end but trashed the existing lap record.

Their Sierra was number 41 and wore the familiar red paint and Shell signage but major sponsor was REDKOTE Steel Tubing as was the case with Dick's NASCAR adventures.

I have videotape of the event in the form of a five minute highlights package. It also features one Tom Walkinshaw in the "Herbie Clips" VL Walkie .

I also have various tapes hidden away relating to Brock/Moffat, Grice/Bailey, and Moffat/Harvey in Commodores in Europe in 1986/87.

[Andrew]

Graeme, that sounds great. Is there anything on your tape that shows the English reaction to getting pasted in their own cars in their own backyard? Also, do you have any idea if there has been a highlights video of Dick's trip to the UK? Maybe on his motorsports history video/DVD? I knew nothing of this UK sojourn until the Biante forum. It proves Aussies really do things better....
(apparently, as an aside, the Gibson Motorsport GT-R's were the quickest in the world. Australian race know-how in the Johnson Sierra and Gibson Motorsport GT-R beating the best in the world)

Thanks :)

[Aussiecollector]

14 of the signature series and he might have a chance, but not the 1/18th.

I must say though I am confused at the comments on this car, some people have been raving about the quality and how good it is, but I just don't see it. It has less detail that the current AU cars available from Biante. Sorry had to say it, It's got nothing to do with me being a Holden fan as I have every 1/18th Falcon Moden race car that Biante have produced.

I brought it based on the comments on this forum site un seen and have to say its a bit boring, like the detail in the Biante Commodores.

Anyway, that just my opinion, not a whinge or a complaint, just an opinion.

Glenn

[SmartyMarty]

@Graeme
are you interested in swaping videos? I have a couple of historic videos..mostly from the Nürburgring from the 30s to the 60 s..some Duke videos and saloon car racing in england from the 60 s to the mid 70 s.
I d be interested in what you have about Moffat/Brock etc.
some of my videos are in german some in english ...depends which one...just let me know...regards Marty:D

[Graeme]

Re. Andrew and SmartyMarty.

The video of the 1988 T.T is like any other motorsport presentation with outside camera and some incar and pits stuff.
However, because of it's brief five minute format it features voice over commentary as in a news item with no driver interviews.

If anyone is interested I could perhaps copy it to a ten minute VHS tape, but I want to keep the original.

SmartyMarty should contact me when he returns to Australia; again, I don't want to release the original videos, but I would consider doing copies.

Email me direct at : wallgram@bigpond.com

P.S. DJR sold a few racing Sierras to England, notably to Rob Gravett's team.

[Nick Short]

It's interesting that DJ thrashed us Poms at our own game, as you Aussies took the US Cleveland V8 and made it do things the Yanks couldn't, and turned the Skyline into a race car that surprised even Nissan! It must be in your blood.......Having said that, my mate Steve was Jim Richards' engine man during his Nissan years, and he's definitely a Pom!

[berkut76]

Hello Glen,
Although, I haven't seen the Sierra, judging by the quality of previous 1/18 Minichamps it is definitely not up to par in comparision to even the regular AutoArts. As I have stated before, decals are the worst offenders. It's tough to believe that pad printing is not available to Minichamps. However, I've heard that the new dealer-exclusive 2001 BMW M3 GTR ALMS is a real breakthrough for Minichamps, and it puts AutoArt and the best of Kyoshos to shame. Back to Sierra, it's impossible to judge the quality of DJR's Sierras until DTM Sierras will make the appearance later in the fall. I hope that the DTM versions would feature tampo graphics as well as more rigid and thicker diecast shell.

Cheers,
Sergey

[ferrari fan]

If you haven't seen the model ,then do not pass judgement on it as it is great
Look at the execution of the doorhinges and the gaps Th whole model is just very well done and the decals are also correct.
I played around with a digi macro camera and in the right angles it is just as if you are looking at the real car especialy where the doorhinges etc are even the rear bootlid is perfect.
The Nissan in comparison is not at all in the same league in regard of the doors execution but is as a curbside model very well done.
Cause there is one or two on this forum that cannot see a good model from certain sources as they might have an axe to grind,and will bag what ever is produced, does not mean that they are the ones that give an unbiassed oppinion
This model is OUTSTANDING and when you see one in the diecastflesh ,I am sure you could be impressed.
Secondly it is only a modeltoycar!for the pricely sum of $170.00
australian.

[mustang1966]

Well guys just to add my 5 cents. I got my Sierra last week and she is a beaut. She looks great on the shelf with the other DJR cars. My preferences still goes to the XE with the XD a very close second, then a bees d!ck to the Sierra.

On another note I finally managed to pick up another Sierra for my nieces boyfriend. A young 3rd yeah apprentice mechanic on not big money and loves anything DJR. I got the car for 250 on Ebay.
:)

[berkut76]

To ferrari fan.
The only thing that I've said is that any product from any company will exhibit traits from its predecessors, which might be a good or a bad thing or a mix of both. It's nice to see that Minichamps has changed the hinges form Capri's "dog legs" to the present design. On the other hand, the decals are still there. Therefore, some peeling (depending on complexity of decalling) MIGHT occur in the future. So, I stand by what I've said in my previous post.

Cheers,
Sergey

[ferrari fan]

To Berkut 76
There is no problem on my side to your remarks and oppinion at all. and it is great to see so many interactions and oppinions expressed..........
I , personaly, am very happy/impressed with the latest of Biante and many before.
I do have about 400+ minichamps models including the very first ones in 1/12,18,24 and 43 scale, and up to this moment have not expiericed major problems with the decals other than on one Benneton model which I fixed with some contact adhesive.
I hope you get as much enjoyment out of your models as I do, regards; ferrari .:)

[GTSCoup]

Berkut.

I have my car here and there is a total of 3 decals on the whole car. All other signage seems to be tampo printed.

I always try to think that a company such as Minichamps would use the highest quality process whenever possible so hopefully they will have tampo prints on all of their future models and only use decals when tampos are not possible.

Fingers crossed.

[biante7125]

Yeh, bought a 1:18 Senna Mclaren and experienced a decal peal. Used Glag clear gum with no probs as it did not eat away anything.

Hope tampo printing becomes the standard.

Tomcat:)

[Aussiecollector]

FF make your mind up, in your first reply you say,

If you haven't seen the model ,then do not pass judgement on it

Then in the next reply you praise the guy for his opinion.

Whats it to be, and if you were referring to me thats ok because I still don't see what all the fuss is about, yes its a great looking car but is the detail as good as the current AU produced for 00 motorsport NO, thats what I said, no axe to grind, no bagging what ever is produced, and yes I do have an opinion, biassed or unbiassed its my opinion.

Now back to your tractors and Digi camera to see if you can make a model look real. GOOD LUCK

Glenn

[GTSCoup]

Glenn, are you sure you are not confusing detail with features?. Sure, the Lowndes car has a lot of features and things to look at, but the late '80s cars were pretty basic back then (compared to todays racers) and I think the Sierra model has captured the look and feel of the real car perfectly and is up there with the XD and XE in my favourites.

[terrine]

thanks mustang, i probably should have kept bidding but you were persistent

cheers
illberitewithya

[mustang1966]

Terrine,

Mate that was my final bid as well. The car was for my Nieces boyfriend. $260 was all he could go and I was shocked to get it.


Sorry about that buddy I will let you know if I see anything else.

[Aussiecollector]

GTS, I appreciate what you say and yes the cars today are very advanced but so was the cossie, and I though the engine might have got the same treatment as the detail in the current shell fords. As I said before I brought this model sight unseen based on the feedback on this forum which as we know was very positive within the first 24 hours of it being for sale, thats all.

Glenn

[inter]

Just an update on this great model.

This was the 3rd last model that i needed to complete my Biante 1:18 ford collection. I contenplated for year waiting in vain for this model to go down in price ( and it did a little) but not for long. Well to cut a long story short i got one last year.
This is to all the collectors who dont have one, if you are prepared to fork out the $ to get one, do it now. This model will soon average mid $700 ( by oct nov 2007). so get one now.

Average 2007 = $440
Average 2006 = $402
Average 2005 = $404
Average 2004 = $390
Average 2004 = $386

[Road Runner 72]

Just an update on this great model.

This was the 3rd last model that i needed to complete my Biante 1:18 ford collection. I contenplated for year waiting in vain for this model to go down in price ( and it did a little) but not for long. Well to cut a long story short i got one last year.
This is to all the collectors who dont have one, if you are prepared to fork out the $ to get one, do it now. This model will soon average mid $700 ( by oct nov 2007). so get one now.

Average 2007 = $440
Average 2006 = $402
Average 2005 = $404
Average 2004 = $390
Average 2004 = $386

Also don't sell now for those of us with one ;)

[Zilla32]

Looks like I will have to be content with the 1988 version only in my collection, looks like its going to join the winfield skyline.

[brchi17]

I must admit, I really hope that one day Dick's Silverstone Sierra is made....this was such an important vehicle imho as it was at the time the 'fastest Sierra in the world'

[rayman]

A 1989 Bathurst winner just sold on Ebay for $220 Buy It Now with free registered post!