Bathurst 2000 Car?

[the_goldie]

Just curious as to why this car has not been very popular and why it sells so cheap? I have seen this car sell for as little as $80. Don't people like Tander or Bargwanna?

It is a Bathurst Winner and number 2 in the Bathurst Collection so I can't understand this, especially when the 99 HRT Bathurst cars sell for $250+.

It's strange how certain cars fetch so much more than others.

One other question - how come the Moffat 1970 and 1971 cars sell for so much and not the 1972 model???

In case you are wondering, no I don't have my cars to resell - not in a million years ;)

[BATHURSTFAN]

I could never understand why the 2000 Bargs/Tander winner has been selling cheaply either.

The Lowndes Green Eyed Monster has not moved price wise either, possibly due to the large (10500) numbers that were made.

I don't and hopefully never will have to sell my cars but it is interesting as to why some models prices vary so greatly.

[Troy_H]

I dont think they are a really popular team. Most Holden fans follow HRT. The build number tends to effect the price as well. I think the market was swamped at the time with VTs of around 5 teams. Most people didnt want this model as they already had a couple of other 2000 cars.

It works out nicely for those who do now pick it up for $100. I bought one to create an 'as raced' model with the front light hanging out and covered in dirt. What a wet weekend it was. Should look good when I get around to doing it.

[pdg666]

I think the 2000 Bathurst Winner of Bargwanna/Tander will be a bit of a sleeper, this model will form part of the "bathurst Winners" Collection Series which a lot of people will make there theme of Car Collections and it only has 4200 Pieces made. Another Cheapie that Can Be had is the Group "A" VL 1990 Bathurst Winner of Grice/Percy this car can also, still be had brand new at $105 From Holden Dealers. So theres 2 sleepers if you want to calculate it that way. Both these cars will be important parts of the Bathurst Winners Collection.

My two bobs worth

[ozrider]

Hey guys clue me in on where I can get a Percy/Grice for $100 or the Tander/Barg car for $80, Which Holden dealer? Can you send me a private message on this forum?(this is my first post) Oh yeah,feel free to let me know of any other specials!! Thanks...

[BATHURSTFAN]

try www.gatewaymodels.com.au (Brisbane) they sell a few Holdens for $100 and recently dropped the DJR Shell Falcons to $119

[Aussiecollector]

Maybe it’s because the so called Bathurst collection has no consistency, none of the packaging is the same and the promotion of the collection has died, this collection should be a priority for Biante.

The 2000 Bathurst winners box when on the shelf with all of the other auto art boxes looks very much the same it does not jump out and say “I am part of a special collection and I am limited�, yes it does have a description on the back panel but that’s pretty lousy. This collection should be in special promotion packaging seal boxes like the HRT corporate boxes.

For all those that will come out now and say its about the cars and not the boxes, think about it this is a special car that is currently being discounted in almost every shop it is sold, why because it does not look any different to the cheap ordinary window face boxes that all of the regular edition cars come in.

Does anyone else feel this way or is it just me, lets make some noise and maybe the producer of the collection will listen to the customer (us) and make it something special from now on.

Getting down of the soap box now, but this collection I’m very passionate about and at the moment I don’t think that it’s being given the priority nor the recognition that it deserves, It’s our premier race!!!! Let’s make it a PREMIER COLLECTION.

Glenn – I want a decent Bathurst Collection to collect.

[admin]

We stated quite clearly when we announced the Bathurst Winners Collection, that they would be cars that Moffat, Brock and Johnson drove as well as selected others.
Now we have been blasted by some for bringing out the same car twice, so thats why we said 'some of the winning cars would automaticallly happen during the releases'.

So to date we have, not 2, but 9 Bathurst Winners.

If you leave anything in its shipping carton you will not know one thing from another, but if you have them on display, out of the boxes, you will have the winners from 1970, 1971, 1972, 1981, 1989, 1990, 1992, 2000 and 2001.

Next month you will have the 1977 winner and before Xmas, the 1985 and 1991 winners. January you will have the 2002 winner, providing one of our 8 teams wins, which is more than an even money bet.

For a collection of cars, thats not too bad.

Almost bordering on "There's too many Bathurst Winners being made"

We can't win!!!

[passenger]

ADMIN:
i origanally started this collection as b`thurst winning cars , but have obtained more since - road cars etc .
i still will collect b`thurst No1`s , i have 7 & 1 on the way, would the 9th be the 2001 ??
i think there are 3in the collection 1990, 1992, 2000. but whose counting ! because it was said that moffat,brock,johnson, would be seprate from the b`thurst collection .
they might be a little bit slow to be released but , gives me time to buy others , so not to worried .

if it`s any help im happy , like they say you cant please everyone .

P.S. you saynext month and before xmas there will be,

1977..............1985................1991...
ford 1`2........xjs jaguar.........nissan gtr...

ok...................???..................???....

there won`t be to many bathurst winners .

[ferrari fan]

I, as a collector ,am very happy with the cars that are produced by the host of this forum.

:)

[passenger]

con`t
also the twin set of skaife/longhurst or as a single , its each to there own to bye , missing out on the twin set i will be getting the single when released .
the twin set when released was of 1500.
the single to be released will be of 4000.
in total thats 5500 so its not as if there are too many ,there would have been that amount released anyway, either twin set or a single

------------- happy with what i have got .:)

[BATHURSTFAN]

I would like to see Biante release these in 1:43 scale also. I know that most of these have been released by other makers over recent years but with the latest technology the models would be much better detailed.

I buy mostly 1:18 Fords with the occasional Holden but I like to collect the Bathurst winners in 1:43.

[Aussiecollector]

Still not a dedicated Bathurst winners collection. As in a collection in its own right is it.

Why not have a poll and ask us your customers what we would like as a Bathurst collection. Put it on the home page.

Got your commission cheque FF.

Glenn

[ferrari fan]

yes I did ,thank you
:D

[the_goldie]

All,

I only asked a simple question and now it has turned into another slugfest and off the track - but we did find out about 2 new models being made. Thanks admin :)

I am happy with the models released that are Bathurst Winners (regardless of how they are marketed/packaged)... I just wanted to know the answers a few simple questions...


Cheers.

[GTSCoup]

Aussiecollector, why do I get the feeling that you could with division 1 in Lotto for 4 weeks straight and you could still find something in the win to whinge about?.

If Biante made every Bathurst winner part of the Bathurst winners collection (along with the Brock, Moffat, and Johnson collection) then you would be the first person to whinge about the same car being produced in different boxes .

As has been cleared up before, you don't work in the diecast industry, and you don't know what goes into producing models, so please stop trying to run Biante. So you buy Biante models, good on you, so does every other person that posts on this board and we don't get on the forum going on about 'only 1 1:18 police car would be financially viable each year',telling them how many Webber Minardi models to have made, and telling Biante what to do. Did you pull those figures out of thin air?

These cars could come wrapped in newspaper in plain cardboard boxes and it would not bother me (and I am sure many other collectors are with me) as I collect models, not boxes. Why are you so obsessed with Bathurst winners collection boxes?.

[oldxr]

Well said GTSCoup, people like Aussiecollector need to decide if their not happy with the product whether they should still be buying it or maybe start buying another product (CC's) then he can pay for the privlige of having a forum to complane about their product, what i'm trying to say Aussiecollector is pull your head in, you should be thanking Bianti every day for the small pieces of Aussie motor racing history they produce for us to enjoy.

[drof]

To the last 2 Thread providers all I can say is "Freedom", Freedom of Speech is what Aussie Collector is doing. It is no good sitting in the back row of the class and never saying anything, but a soon as it does'nt go your way you moan and complain. What Aussie is doing is giving Biante customer feedback, and with this info Biante can only get better. I can see both side of the arguement, and to some boxes mean nothing, but to others they make a valuable part of their collection, please don't bag these people, common we all live in a democratic society where everbody is entitled to their own opinions.
My personal opinion is if the Bathurst Winners Collection is part of another ie Moffat Collection, than keep the boxes as per the Moffat Collection but like CC's have a photo on the back of the box with a Photo of the Driver/s on the Podium.
We have been there and done that with Threads about people bagging and slagging other members so to the last 2 thread writers, please write about what the forums are for Diecast Model Cars and not personal attacks, Aussie is one of the few that have written the most threads and I'm pretty sure Biante take on board everything Aussie writes and values his opinion.

Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!

Brock 1st place at the Bob Jane T-Mart Classic in his 05 Motorized Scooter!!

[Aussiecollector]

Thanks Drof,

OldXR and GTSCoupe, whats wrong with asking (Sorry telling Biante what we would like, are we not the consumers). Do you run a business, I do and if I did not listen to my Customers I would not have one, so thats the point I am trying to make in my threads, not to tell Biante how to run their business but to say "
MY NAME IS GLENN AND I BUY YOUR PRODUCT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DEDICATED BATHURST COLLECTION ON ITS OWN, IN ITS OWN PACKAGING.

As for your comments regarding the cars being re-released, I take it your are referring to my comments regarding the 2001 Bathurst cars, Good point I went of half cocked because the Info I had said that the twin car set was the only way the cars were going to be released. That was a mistake on my part and I can only hope that the single car when released will form part of the newly revamped BATHURST Collection. (thats a joke ok get it "insert laughter here"


As for telling them how to run their business I dont recall saying "hey Bev ,Trevor and Richard your doing a crap job heres how you should do it. If they make a mistake and some body picks it up (and that somebody should be me then I think that they should be told, as well as the rest of the collectors on the forum, after all is that not what this is all about.

As far as the Police cars and the Webber models go, How many Police cars do you think they would sell? And as for the Webber it would be nice to see Biante have some say it its design (packaging) and production on behalf of the Australian Collectors and if possible see a Model made that was truly limited, and not a so called Limited Edition to 20,000 like some of the other manufacturers.

I buy models from everybody about a grand a month and there not all from Biante but most come through them at some point.

So being a paying customer a feel that I have some, (I wont say right) but rather a obligation to be critical when critical is warranted. If nobody spoke up we might still be getting Skafes instead of skaifes and if pointing out that a decal has been applied over the original paintwork in order to sell the car as a different car is considered by some as whinging then I am sorry, I might be too fussy for some. Being observant is not a crime, its my job.

GTS,
Division (1) 4 weeks running, I swear you would not hear a peep out of me, that is unless they spelt the name wrong or maybe put the cheque in the wrong coloured envelope.

Anyway, sorry to those who don't like what I say but as drof said the Kid that sits at the back and does'nt say a thing does'nt learn much or get questions answered.

But be honest do you not think a dedicated Bathurst Collection would be good, 1/43rd or 1/18th I dont care as long as it is a true collection.

Pulling my head in now, maybe, depends.

Glenn

[GTSCoup]

Glenn.

It is not the things that you say that I disagree with (hey, you have some very good ideas) but the way you say it. You seem to hit the ground running and go straight for the throat sometimes.

I do run a business and buy my fair share of model cars as well but I would never consider going into someones work place (or onto their site) and going off like you tend to do sometimes. If a customer comes in with a problem I listen to their comments and take on board what is relevant but if they come in for a rant and rave it isn't very productive is it.

You have pretty much answered my next question already. What is wrong with saying "MY NAME IS GLENN AND I BUY YOUR PRODUCT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DEDICATED BATHURST COLLECTION ON ITS OWN, IN ITS OWN PACKAGING"?. You don't need any agro or other comments.

When I have a problem (which is rarely) I don't come to the forum but e-mail Biante direct. I view the forum as a place for collectors to get together and discuss this hobby that we enjoy, not a place to discuss problems with Biante.

And the police cars, I don't know what costs are involved so I would not even try and guess how many would be viable over a 1 year period. Minichamps would have more of an idea about how many 1:18 Minardis they can produce than you and me put together and it obviously isn't viable at the moment. I would love 1 to add to my collection though.

Do you think that Biante let out errors (such as the Skafe decals) on purpose, they just say 'Oh well, that'll do'. I doubt it. The only company that I know of that do that produces some very dubious 1:43 models that I wont mention. I am sure you put 100% effort into the work you do and that you always strive for as good as whatever you do can be. So do I. And I am sure Biante do as well.

I look forward to more discussions with you on this forum but can we please lose the agro.

Thanks.

GTSCoup.

[Aussiecollector]

Thanks GTS,

Funny thing is though, you all say to me don't tell Biante what to do but it is always somebody else jumping to Biante's defence, everyone is speaking for Biante in there defence instead of Biante. I know this is not the same as you say telling them what to do, but it is similar. I know I would not want anyone and everyone answering questions on my behalf.

Now this is the first time we have had a discussion but FF jumps up and down everytime some one say's anything about Biante.

This is not a love fest its a forum, and yes it would be nice not to have to talk about errors and mistakes but the reality is they have been made and you would have to admit some of them were pretty stupid. And I have never said they have done it on purpose but quality control is what stops errors before they get to the consumer. Now don't go getting upset I think the current releases have come of age and the quality is great, although this will depend on the quality of the commodores in comparison with the fords.

From now on I will tone down my replies to ensure that I don't upset people but I will not stop asking questions or making suggestions in the open forum in an effort to get Biante's reaction and replies, should they be forthcoming.

Still hoping for a Bathurst Collection.

Glenn

[drof]

Another point GTS Coup is, what is the point in only e-mailing Biante with problems when there are thousands of consumers out there that may not realise that there is a problem with the Model that they have bought. If Biante new about such errors before they left the factories they would have delayed the boat and fix the problem. It is only when consumers like us get these substandard models that Biante knows the problems. It is then our right as a consumer to make up our minds if we want to return/exchange or get a refund on the particular model. To some collectors a small defect is considered more valuable than one that is 100% correct.
It goes back to the statement I made in my last thread, What is the point of sitting in the back row of the classroom and saying nothing, people like Ferrari Fan, Aussiecollector and I'd like to think myself are there sitting in the front row with our hands in the air asking the teacher (Biante) the questions.
Also GTS how can you say, "It is the way you say it" when none of us can see Glenn when he is writting the Threads, it is your own interpretation of the way you read the Threads that you come to this conclusion. Will nothing short of a emotions dialogue box be good enough for people to understand the various threads.

Regards

Dave from Kiwiland!!