V8 Supercar numbers - 2005

[A9Xer]

Who is going to be wearing what number next year?

Ambrose 1
Ingall 2??
Skaiffe ??
Seton 18??
#5???

What are your thoughts?

[Kenseth17]

I think Skaife will stay as 2 and Ingall will be 9 or 98 depending on sponsorship.I think SBR have the right to 4,9 and 98. HRT have the right to 2,22 etc. Seton will be 18 and Junior Johnson his no 17.
If and when the Pirtek Falcon loses it's title, it will revert back to the no 4.
I can't see too many changes with other numbers but it will be interesting to see if Murphy takes 51 to PWR with their 50 and if 16 goes to KRT with the 15.
Numbers like colour schemes are exciting and it felt like only last week we were talking about this for season 2004. :)

[Cracker]

Just a thought PWR to stay the same aswell as Kmart.

Why would Kmart get rid of two Bathurst winning numbers.

[brchi17]

Murph IS taking #51 to PWR

Seton wil run #18 - this is DJR remember.....

HRT 2 & 22

KR 15 & 16

all other's status quo apart from tasman who'll require a # for the 2nd car.

[Riddler]

I think SBR should be entitled to #2.

After all they did earn it...

[A9Xer]

Originally posted by Riddler
I think SBR should be entitled to #2.

After all they did earn it...

Yeah that is I was kind of getting at with this thread.

If I was Stone Brothers I would want my cars reflecting the teams achievements by running as #1 and #2.

[Kiwiracing]

There is another thread floating around that has this very discussion, and as someone pointed out #1 is the only reserved number in V8 Supercars (a part from (I believe) 05 which is retired in Australia). SBR cannot ask for number two, I suspect they'd have to negoiate with HRT.

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Malik]

if SBR want it.. then they can apply to AVESCO for it.. but if HRT has already applied.. then chances are they will keep it...

you dont "EARN" the number 2... only the number 1...

[Malik]

if SBR want it.. then they can apply to AVESCO for it.. but if HRT has already applied.. then chances are they will keep it...

you dont "EARN" the number 2... only the number 1...

[Riddler]

Originally posted by Malik
you dont "EARN" the number 2... only the number 1...
I realise you dont 'EARN' number 2 (bad choice of words earlier) however I do feel they deserve to have that number available given their performance this year...

Being a Holden fan this hurts a little however credit where credit is due...

Please note this is only my opinion and not gospel...

[HRT 1-2]

Originally posted by Riddler
I realise you dont 'EARN' number 2 (bad choice of words earlier) however I do feel they deserve to have that number available given their performance this year...

Being a Holden fan this hurts a little however credit where credit is due...

Please note this is only my opinion and not gospel...

What number would MS get on his car if he gives it up until he gets the "1" back on it at the end of next year? :D

[Malik]

Originally posted by HRT 1-2
What number would MS get on his car if he gives it up until he gets the "1" back on it at the end of next year? :D

he would get whatever number that is available that he applies for....

[Malik]

Originally posted by Riddler
I realise you dont 'EARN' number 2 (bad choice of words earlier) however I do feel they deserve to have that number available given their performance this year...

Being a Holden fan this hurts a little however credit where credit is due...

Please note this is only my opinion and not gospel...

I dont necessarily disagree... but it comes down to if HRT is willing to release the number or not..

remember that Triple 8 had to negotiate with John Bowe to obtain the 888 number for their team.. and he agreed.. if he hadn't then chances are he would still be running 888 himself.

[Kenseth17]

The numbers discussion is an interesting one.Each car and some more than others have their traditional numbers.Some championship winners choose to take the number 1 and others don't.Brock used it a few times but not on others and Johnson never used it after winning a title because his 17 was his trademark.Depends on who wins the title.In NASCAR in America, the number 1 means nothing.You could win numerous NASCAR titles but never be the 1 because each number has it's own tradition.Dale Earnhardt won 6 of his 7 titles in car number 3 and Richard Petty in car 43, so as years have gone on, these numbers mean more than number 1.
Saying that, I doubt wether SBR would want number 2 because the Caltex Havoline car has had the 9 for a number of years now and this is currently an SBR number.It looks good and people become familiar with it.The only time it would change is if it won the title and took 1.Just as the 4 would be the other number on the Pirtek Falcon, 05 with Brock and 17 with Johnson.
I have mixed feelings with taking the 1 and it would be really hard not to want it after winning the championship as you may never get another chance.

[HRT 1-2]

Originally posted by Malik
he would get whatever number that is available that he applies for....

Yeah I know, it was more meant as a "why would you give up number 2 for some other dunga number"

02 could be an option?

Having said that, I do agree that 1 & 2 should both be reserved numbers for the championship team, I guess we were so used to HRT carrying both for so long (5 years), are the good ol' daz! ;)

[69Mach1]

Bathurst is the Mecca of all races, the driver that wins the race for the year should get number 2 and the championship winner would get number 1.

That way the number 2 will always belong to a HOLDEN !!!!

2005 - 7 in a row........

[mutchoo]

was it my eye sit playin up last weeked as Russel Ingal had number 98 0n his car. My thoughts was he advertising that caltex has an octane rating of 98 ? :confused:

[Y2kGoofball]

he was, similar to 2002 when Garth Tanders GRM car sported the number 427 after the Bathurst 24 Hour Monaros win (I cant remember what V8 Supercar round it was though but it was after the 24 hr race), similar situation with Ingall because the last round was an advertisers heaven, especially for the SBR cars with the #1 heading into its 2nd championship win and the Ingall car possibly taking out a historic team 1 -2 etc.

Also I too have been told #05 is gone, no one bar one bloke can have that number, you can only have the #5 (if you can get it too)

As for Skaife I have heard last year he also applied for 111 to represent 3 consecutive championships 2001/ 2002/ 2003 but was knocked back due to Avesco trying to limit the 3 digit car number due to timing issues (but then again 888 still remains so buggered if I know). This mightnt be true, but it is what I heard.

As for 02 thats also an option, HYL have had that number in 2002 to represent the year, still 2 and 02 work and I thought this year thats the scheme they'd use (but I was wrong)

As for 2 itself well it would be a battle for SBR. Remember if Skaife isnt #1 then he's always been #2, or had the #2 in the team. Its a shame HRT also lost the #15 to KRT back when it was "in the family" because thats another one of 'their numbers' but its gone now, especially since the whole 15 - 51 and now the 15 - 16 thing which I cant see the team going to upset by removing #15

another lost HRT number is 50 (lost to PWR), Skaife has also had this number on his HRT car in the past to represent Holdens 50th anneversary (1998 from memory). At Team Brock it was to represent 05 backward but Weel held onto it and now it looks like its worked with the whole 50 and 51 thing.

As for SBR yes I think it would be fantastic to have #1 and #2 to represent the teams 1 - 2 championship finish, but I cant see skaife giving up "his" number so to speak (I mean he doesnt own it but like I said its either been on his car or one of the teams cars in the past)

[GSXR1]

Originally posted by Kenseth17
In NASCAR in America, the number 1 means nothing.You could win numerous NASCAR titles but never be the 1 because each number has it's own tradition.

That used to confuse the hell out of me when I first started watching NASCAR - Steve Park used to have it on the Pennzoil car, so I thought he was the reigning champ, and I used to wonder why the commentators never used to refer to him as such, or why he wasn't having a good year defending his crown... :rolleyes:

Valentino Rossi's won the MotoGP crown for the past few years, but still insists on running his traditional #46 (although he does have a small #1 on the shoulder of his leathers). I think this is one of the things that got up Honda's nose when he rode for them - they (understandably) wanted to see the #1 on their bike.

And the current Australian Sprintcar champion (Robbie Farr) doesn't run with the #1, as he's now racing for different team to the one he won the title with, and doesn't feel it's appropriate. His old team can't (and probably wouldn't even if they could) run with it either, as the plate belongs to the winning driver, not the team...

All different to V8Supercars I know, but interesting to see how different categories (and drivers/riders within them) value the #1.

[GSXR1]

Also on the subject of race numbers, does anybody else find it bizarre in the highly commercial, 'professional' billion dollar industry that is Formula 1 that no team is allocated the number 13? Surely it's not just because of superstitions and that it's considered bad luck?!?:confused: :rolleyes:

[spoonster05]

As far as I'm aware the superstitions are the only reason there is no car 13 on the F1 grid, this has been going on for some time now..

[wayno]

Originally posted by Kenseth17
In NASCAR in America, the number 1 means nothing.You could win numerous NASCAR titles but never be the 1 because each number has it's own tradition.

If that isn't confusing enough in NASCAR what about the use of 0 in front of numbers. Having 1 and 01 (amongst others) in the same race confuses me still.

[Mickcals]

1 Pirtek Racing - Marcos Ambrose
9 Caltex Havoline/Vortex Racing - Russell Ingall

2 Holden Racing Team - Mark Skaife
22 Holden Racing Team - Todd Kelly

3 Tasman Motorsport - Jason Raichards
43 Tasman Motorsport - Jamie Wincup

5 Ford Performance Racing - Greg Ritter
6 Ford Performance Racing - Jason Bright*

7 Autobarn Racing - Alex Davison
8 BP Ultimate Racing - Paul Dumbrell
11 Castrol Perkins Motorsport - Steven Richards

10 Larkham Orrcon Racing - Jason Bargwanna
20 Larkham Orrcon Racing - Mark Winterbottom

12 Ozemail/Virgin/Harvey Norman Racing Team - John Bowe
21 Ozemail/Virgin/Harvey Norman Racing Team - Brad Jones

14 Team Bright - Steve Owen*

15 Kmart Racing - Rick Kelly
16 Kmart Racing - Garth Tander

17 Shell Helix Racing - Steven Johnson
18 Shell Helix Racing - Glenn Seton

021 Team Kiwi - Paul Radisich
29 Sirromet Life Style Wine - Paul Morris

31 Steven Ellery Racing - uncomfirmed

33 GRM Valvoline Cummins - Cameron McConville
34 GRM Valvoline Cummins - Andrew Jones

44 Team Dynamik- Simon Wills
45 Team Dynamik- Dale Brede*

23 WPS Racing - David Besnard
48 WPS Racing - Driag Baird

50 PWR Racing - Paul Weel
51 PWR Racing - Greg Murphy

75 Toll Racing - Anthony Tratt

88 Team Betta Electrical - Steven Ellery
888 Team Betta Electrical - Craig Lowndes

* Unconfirmed or likely


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* There questioning concerning WPS/CPR numbers. As WPS owns Perkin's licenses it is possible that Besnard could be car #8 or #11 with Richo being #48 if WPS wanted, but it is believed that the current numbers will stay with there respective teams.

* AS you know PWR and KRT have swapped #51 for #16, with PWR getting #51 and KRT getting #16

* Seton has been allocated #18, therefore keeping the Johnson/#17 connection

* Ingall will revert back to #9, as #98 is owned by a team in the development series and SBR gained their permission to use that number for the last round at Eastern Creek

[HRT 1-2]

Originally posted by mutchoo
was it my eye sit playin up last weeked as Russel Ingal had number 98 0n his car. My thoughts was he advertising that caltex has an octane rating of 98 ? :confused:

Correct, new Caltex Vortex with 98 octane!

[Dingo]

Garth Walden is currently trying to organise to run a Falcon BA in the main game next year, which would mean he will run #24 as per the Romano franchise.

Paul Stokell is being suggested as the 2nd Team Dynamik driver in place of Dale Brede...

Which leaves just Steve Ellery Racing as the lone spot on the grid, and that franchise may be leased out to whoever wants it...step on down Mr Brock... :D

[szwadiak100]

Y2KGoofball, Tander used number 427 at the Sandown round (the final round that year) in 2002.

[Rob]

Originally posted by Mickcals

* There questioning concerning WPS/CPR numbers. As WPS owns Perkin's licenses it is possible that Besnard could be car #8 or #11 with Richo being #48 if WPS wanted, but it is believed that the current numbers will stay with there respective teams.


Not correct. Numbers are not associated with the Franchise,
so the current CPM and WPS numbers will remain as is.

There will be no BP sponsored car either only Castrol.

[Leigh]

Back tracking to the number 2 discussion, nobody has a problem with other "automatic" associations...

i.e. 17 is DJR, 51 is Murphy, 11 CPR etc...

One that is often forgotten, is the association of #2 with Skaife...He has used this number in most of the years he has not used #1...its just he's used #1 so often people tend to forget...

Cheers

[stonebrosfan]

Originally posted by Rob
Not correct. Numbers are not associated with the Franchise,
so the current CPM and WPS numbers will remain as is.

id like to see where you read that!

[GSXR1]

Originally posted by wayno
If that isn't confusing enough in NASCAR what about the use of 0 in front of numbers. Having 1 and 01 (amongst others) in the same race confuses me still.

Happens in V8Supercars as well. What about #2 (Bright) and #02 (Rick Kelly) in 2002, and #21 (Brad Jones) and #021 (various TKR drivers) for the past two or three years...

[Malik]

AFAIK "01" is not availabe for use in the V8SC

[Kubanator kid]

Originally posted by wayno
If that isn't confusing enough in NASCAR what about the use of 0 in front of numbers. Having 1 and 01 (amongst others) in the same race confuses me still.


From memory numbers 00 - 09 in NASCAR actual stand for 100 - 109 allowing them more 2 digit numbers.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by Y2kGoofball
......As for Skaife I have heard last year he also applied for 111 to represent 3 consecutive championships 2001/ 2002/ 2003 but was knocked back due to Avesco trying to limit the 3 digit car number due to timing issues (but then again 888 still remains so buggered if I know). This mightnt be true, but it is what I heard........

Just to continue on from your post, the 3 digit timing issues are only at the AGP, as the FIA's timing system that they use does not cope with 3 numbers on a car. Hence why JB could never run #888 at the AGP (when he carried it during the regular season) & why Triple 8 ran car #77 & #88 at the AGP this year.

The system AVESCO uses can accept 3 digits & hence why we see 888, 021, etc during the regular season.

cheers. :)

[Kiwiracing]

Originally posted by GSXR1
Also on the subject of race numbers, does anybody else find it bizarre in the highly commercial, 'professional' billion dollar industry that is Formula 1 that no team is allocated the number 13? Surely it's not just because of superstitions and that it's considered bad luck?!?:confused: :rolleyes:

And same reason you will find no row 13 on aircraft!

Cheers
Kiwiracing

[Rob]

Originally posted by stonebrosfan
id like to see where you read that!

From Rod Nash