The New Ford Falcon Series

[NatesV8s]

Anyone heard any details on a new falcon? after BA series

[TBVX05]

Who Cares! No many here would be interested anyway! :D

[NatesV8s]

Why?, Fords are awesome!

[diecastdude]

The New Ford Falcon Series, thats a great name for next years championship

[baylissfan]

I hear it is going to be the series III BA. I guess Ford will make some minor changes to the series II and that will be all.

I guess Ford want to keep on the winning formula in place of a Magna clone.

:)

[TBVX05]

Not when the VE comes out. That will look twice as good as the BA . Anyway the VZ is is killing the BA in sales as it is!

[baylissfan]

Your correct the VE will throw away the Magna image.


Maybe it will be a 380 clone. :D

[VXfan]

Saw a drawing of what many believe will be the VE in a magazine and it looks very ....european in appearance.Not sure if I like it but no doubt it will grow on me just like the VY's and VZ's.

[NatesV8s]

any chance of you scanning that drawing?

[Leigh]

VE Commodore Pictures? (http://gmh-torana.imagineering.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t= 18212&view=next&sid=d06a95526137a2111df452a4fa228fbf&&DI=194&IG=65f58cba15ef46a8b686fc7e1a509ef0&POS=3&CM=WPU&CE=2&CS=AWP&SR=2) As someone points out in that thread, it appears that his is sketched from the Buick (http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article =8183) spy shots...remember the Buick was to be based on the Zeta platform (Zeta being GM's designation for the VE series commodore)

I've also seen pictures of the Torana Prototype (or sketches developed from the Torana) with VE Commodore written on them...click here (http://www.calaisturbo.com.au/showthread.php?p=56 6818)

BaylissFan.

My understanding was the 2006 Falcon is a major facelift of the BA, and was to carry a different model designation...

Cheers

[Acj428]

Once again a Holden teddy high jacks a thread and turns it into a commodore thread :mad: :confused:

[TBVX05]

Fair enough, talk about the Falcon then.....

[VXfan]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
VE Commodore Pictures? (http://gmh-torana.imagineering.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t= 18212&view=next&sid=d06a95526137a2111df452a4fa228fbf&&DI=194&IG=65f58cba15ef46a8b686fc7e1a509ef0&POS=3&CM=WPU&CE=2&CS=AWP&SR=2) As someone points out in that thread, it appears that his is sketched from the Buick (http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article =8183) spy shots...remember the Buick was to be based on the Zeta platform (Zeta being GM's designation for the VE series commodore)

I've also seen pictures of the Torana Prototype (or sketches developed from the Torana) with VE Commodore written on them...click here (http://www.calaisturbo.com.au/showthread.php?p=56 6818)

BaylissFan.

My understanding was the 2006 Falcon is a major facelift of the BA, and was to carry a different model designation...

Cheers
That's the pics I saw.
Oops,I'm talking about Holdens again.........gee,wonder what the new falcon will look like?:)

[Odin]

All that pic is, is a guess..... Most of the time they get it wrong. I won't believe it until I see a half decent pic of a heavily disguised VE commodore, to actually base a photoshop on. The mags can guess away all they want, but thats all it is, a guess.

[awawaw]

well if THAT is the new commodore, it = CRAP. what a pile of smeg. i hope the BA stay's pretty much the same.

[NatesV8s]

Damn, looks like HOLDEN is going down hill, that car will never sell or I could be wrong... I hope The Falcon will never look as shizen as that.

[TBVX05]

I hope it looks better than the pics, its only a prototye anyway.

[hobby]

Hi again to all,

I heard the new Falcon will be made in New Zealand and the model code is


BAA BAA

[TBVX05]

LOL! I hope it is!

[Martin Thomas]

We see it all the time.. An artists impression or spy photos of an overseas model. When Holden gets it they add the "Aussie" touch and we end up liking it. They know their market and usually get it right. Lets face it, the only recent "Aussie" car that never realy grew on people was the AU..

[69Mach1]

At least Holden are moving forward and not persisting with a Series 5 AU Falcon..

Thats's the main reason why the GT , XT , Fairmont , LTD , Fairlane , Fairmont Ghia , XR8 , XR6 , Typhoon all share the same tail lights and wagon is based on the EA platform ( No IRS yet ).

My opinion....

[TBVX05]

:confused: First of all the AU looks nothing like the BA. Secondly, I would have though you were a Ford nut by your username....

[Leigh]

Originally posted by TBVX05
:confused: First of all the AU looks nothing like the BA. Secondly, I would have though you were a Ford nut by your username....
Same car though...Amazing what a set of quarter panels, boot lid, bumpers, front guards and bonnet will do to the looks of a car...

Although if you look at it that way, then the VZ is really a VT series 5 too :eek:

[Gan88]

Geez Leigh,

The BA is nothing like the AU. The only things that they really carried forward were the doors. Every other panel is new. Other major improvements were the increased torsional stiffness (ie, the floor pan and roof must have had a few more corrugations) and control blade IRS.

But you are right about the VT series 5. No real improvement in it since the late '90s.

[Leigh]

Originally posted by Gan88
But you are right about the VT series 5. No real improvement in it since the late '90s.
Really? VT to VZ are chalk and cheese to drive...;) That said, the overall design and engineering IS well overdue for replacement...

You are correct about the massive changes between AU and BA. What I meant above was they started with the AU, and rebuilt it (albeit massively)...rather than what they normally do (i.e. blank sheet of paper).

Cheers

[NatesV8s]

Originally posted by hobby
Hi again to all,

I heard the new Falcon will be made in New Zealand and the model code is


BAA BAA

LOL, I hope none of us here are from NZ:eek:

[Eliot Meadows]

I wouldn't buy one ( I'm lusting after an SS ute with a Gen IV )but I still think the BA is one of the best looking Fords in years (decades) a pity there is not more difference in looks between the performance models. Lets hope they don't have a recurrence of the "ugly car disease" that afflicted the AU, although at the moment Mitsubishi have stranglehold on the "ugly car" affliction.

[TBVX05]

Yes thats right. The BA is the only Ford that looks decent. You'd have to go back to the classic shapes of the 70's to Find a decent Ford....

Doesnt mean I like all Holdens either. The GEN 1 Commodore wasnt that good, especially the VB-VC which were shockers. The Brock cars were the only decent Holdens in the 80's. I hate the VL Turbo, especally in yellow, which Marios drive... :D

[spoonster05]

We had a BA hire car for Bathurst 2003 and apart from having to get used to what I thought was excessively light steering found it was a pretty good car compared to my friends AU I had driven on the odd occassion.

I agree with the VT to VZ comparisions but the auto still needs refining on the Commodores..

[Leigh]

Originally posted by spoonster05
I agree with the VT to VZ comparisions but the auto still needs refining on the Commodores..
The five speeds in the 190kw cars are so smooth, it almost feels like they only have one gear...

Cheers

[spoonster05]

Haven't actually sampled the 190kw with the new transmission yet. Most hire car companies only have the base model Execs with the old 4 speed still..

[Martin Thomas]

Originally posted by lcfp2297
The five speeds in the 190kw cars are so smooth, it almost feels like they only have one gear...

Cheers

Oh yeah, you got that right.. I got out of my VR:o and had a drive of my mates SV6. Chalk and VBs...

[TBVX05]

Thats good to hear. Those pig headed journos always find something wrong with Holdens auto and V6 engine... :rolleyes: but theyre a class above the predecessor.

[Tander#34]

The journos always find something wrong with GM 4 speed autos because it dates back to the 70's (Turbo400). They're rough as guts. They complain to get the manufacturer to fix things, thats their job, its just that its taken Holden a while to find a decent replacement. Too long!

[TBVX05]

They changed to the Turbo700 for the VN Im not sure how much difference that was, though, and the V6 has been going around for that long as well. I agree, Holden do take too long to change their gear! They should have changed the V6 and auto when the VT was around....

[mick78]

I have owned a VN Exec, AU Forte Wagon and now a VXII Wagon. Compared to the Falcon the 4 speed Holden auto is a dog. There was much to complain about with the AU but not with their auto, it was a smoth as silk compared with the Holden. I just wish Holden would give every model the 5 speed auto and retire the 4 speed. I ahve heard that the VE will have the same tranny arrangements as the VZ - what a shame. Aren't Ford looking at a six speed on their upper models for the BAIII?

[TBVX05]

I think Holden are also looking at a six speed auto for the Gen IV V8s. Hopefully it will be in when the VE arrives.

[Kenseth17]

Originally posted by Eliot Meadows
I wouldn't buy one ( I'm lusting after an SS ute with a Gen IV )but I still think the BA is one of the best looking Fords in years (decades) a pity there is not more difference in looks between the performance models. Lets hope they don't have a recurrence of the "ugly car disease" that afflicted the AU, although at the moment Mitsubishi have stranglehold on the "ugly car" affliction.

The series I AU left a lot to be desired but the series II and III are quite nice looking cars.They perform well and are solid in all areas but because the horse had already bolted after the series I was released and the AU did not have the success on the track as previous Falcon models did, there is a stigma that the AU is a bad car and ugly to boot.As I say, I believe the series II and III are really good cars.
Just my thoughts as we all have differing opinions...... thank god. :)

[Esses]

Originally posted by TBVX05
Yes thats right. The BA is the only Ford that looks decent. You'd have to go back to the classic shapes of the 70's to Find a decent Ford....

Doesnt mean I like all Holdens either. The GEN 1 Commodore wasnt that good, especially the VB-VC which were shockers. The Brock cars were the only decent Holdens in the 80's. I hate the VL Turbo, especally in yellow, which Marios drive... :D

It's all personal opinion, isn't it? I really like the looks of the XC, XD, XE, EA, EB & EL. XF was so-so, AU I was shocker, but AU II & III were nice. BA is great.
I liked the VB, VC, VK & VT Commodores. Disliked the rest, VZ is OK. All just personal opinion. The proof is in the sales. The ones that hit the spot with the buying public are the ones that got the package just about right.