Hungarian Grand Prix

[wayno]

Well, the circus that is F1 is off to the most boring track on the calendar this week end. Qualifying is probably as important here as it is on any track on the calendar, which is going to make things very difficult for Mark Webber and Kimi Raikkonen.
Hopefully there will be an announcement about the Williams engine supply this week. Sam Michael insists the team haven't made a decision either way, but this quote from the BMW Motorsport director sums it all up.

"We are not where we wanted to be with our partners at the moment but I hope we can improve and have some good results because we want to finish this six-year partnership on a high, not a low."
Dr Mario Theissen.

On the race front, it will be interesting to see if the low average speed of this track can bring any of the other cars closer to the Mc Laren's and Renault's. This may happen, but I think it will still come down to Alonso or Montoya barring a qualifying disaster.

[MarkHM]

I think the singularly most spectacular incident at Hungary was Mansell overtaking Senna, dspite his failings the man had balls and cheek (am I allowed to say that?)

[TBVX05]

I never liked Senna, maybe because he was opposition to Mansell, who should have been champion more than once! I also hated Schumacher at Benetton because he was a constant pest to D Hill! Now I only like Williams and Webber, and I havent got too much respect for Button and Montoya, and those other clowns who pay their way to the top, and fall to the botton like 9 pins!

[wayno]

Look at any of the drivers in F1 and some are better than others, but I guarantee that most of them could still punt a race car faster than you or me!
There are a lot of exceptionally good drivers in F1 at the moment. I think your comments are a little bit wide of the mark mate.

[inter]

Have you guys heard that one of the Mclaren f1 team died last night, fell of an 8 storey building in budapest ( hungary). I think it was the cook?

inter:(

[AMBER ROSE]

Has anyone got any decent F1 links they wouldn't mind posting. I van't seem to ever get any decent ones in google.

Thanks.

[Tander#34]

DING DING DING DING! We have a winner!..... The most ridiculous post of the day. Take bow TBVX05

[wayno]

Session one run. Mist of the guys didn't really bother with a time until about seven minutes left, seeming content to let the third cars and the lower teams clean up what is one of the dustiest surfaces they compete on all year.

1. WURZ McLaren 1m21.411s

2. BARRICHELLO Ferrari 1m22.834s

3. BUTTON BAR 1m23.028s

4. RAIKKONEN McLaren 1m23.159s

5. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1m23.234s

6. MASSA Sauber 1m23.375s

7. HEIDFELD Williams 1m23.384s

8. MONTOYA McLaren 1m23.558s

9. SATO BAR 1m23.679s

10. R.SCHUMACHER Toyota 1m23.706s

11. TRULLI Toyota 1m23.764s

12. ALONSO Renault 1m23.833s

13. WEBBER Williams 1m23.918s

14. FISICHELLA Renault 1m23.940s

15. LIUZZI Red Bull 1m24.174s

16. ZONTA Toyota 1m24.270s

17. VILLENEUVE Sauber 1m24.683s

18. KARTHIKEYAN Jordan 1m26.130s

19. DOORNBOS Minardi 1m27.011s

20. MONTEIRO Jordan 1m27.344s

21. ALBERS Minardi 1m27.540s

22. KIESA Jordan 1m28.230s

23. NISSANY Minardi 1m34.319s

24. KLIEN Red Bull no time

25. COULTHARD Red Bull no time

Session two on now, and I have to leave for work!

:mad:

[szwadiak100]

Originally posted by TBVX05
I never liked Senna, maybe because he was opposition to Mansell, who should have been champion more than once! I also hated Schumacher at Benetton because he was a constant pest to D Hill! Now I only like Williams and Webber, and I havent got too much respect for Button and Montoya, and those other clowns who pay their way to the top, and fall to the botton like 9 pins!
How exactly did Button and Montoya "pay their way to the top"? They were picked up by the big teams because of their skill when working the wheel. I have to agree with what Wayno said. All drivers in F1 are exceptionally talented because you don't get into a big F1 team if you are not any good.

[jager]

Has anyone got any decent F1 links they wouldn't mind posting. I van't seem to ever get any decent ones in google.

ITV-F1 (the main TV broadcaster) :

http://www.itv-f1.com/Home.aspx

F1-Live :

http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/

Motorsport.com (for some of the best F1 photo's) :

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/series.asp?S=F1&Y=0

Hope this is a bit of a start.

[Footy]

Originally posted by Tander#34
DING DING DING DING! We have a winner!..... The most ridiculous post of the day. Take bow TBVX05
Aka..The painful, gmcorvette, it just keeps getting better... Not :eek:

[wayno]

Looks like the dusty track caught a few guys out this afternoon. Barrichello and Fisichella, Wurz, Alonso, Toyota trio Zonta, Schumacher and Trulli, Minardi’s Robert Doornbos and Christijan Albers, Mark Webber, Jacques Villeneuve and Narain Karthikeyan (twice) all had miscues of one sort or another. MS also had an electrical problem in the Ferrari after about 12 minutes of the second session that sidelined him.

Friday second practice times from the Hungaroring

1. ZONTA Toyota 1m20.409s

2. WURZ McLaren 1m20.519s

3. RAIKKONEN McLaren 1m21.281s

4. TRULLI Toyota 1m21.410s

5. R.SCHUMACHER Toyota 1m21.631s

6. MONTOYA McLaren 1m21.662s

7. BARRICHELLO Ferrari 1m21.914s

8. ALONSO Renault 1m22.473s

9. BUTTON BAR 1m22.544s

10. KLIEN Red Bull 1m22.626s

11. FISICHELLA Renault 1m22.652s

12. HEIDFELD Williams 1m22.861s

13. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m22.886s

14. LIUZZI Red Bull 1m22.913s

15. WEBBER Williams 1m22.935s

16. VILLENEUVE Sauber 1m23.558s

17. SATO BAR 1m23.560s

18. MASSA Sauber 1m23.574s

19. DOORNBOS Minardi 1m23.670s

20. ALBERS Minardi 1m24.093s

21. MONTEIRO Jordan 1m24.862s

22. KARTHIKEYAN Jordan 1m25.184s

23. KIESA Jordan 1m25.269s

24. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari no time

25. NISSANY Minardi no time

Be interesting to see where Kimi ends up despite having to go out first tonight.

[brchi17]

1 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.686
2 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:21.842
3 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.980
4 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:22.712
5 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:22.798
6 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:22.888
7 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 1:23.167
8 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:23.583
9 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:23.678
10 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:23.715
11 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:23.902
12 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:23.932
13 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:24.006
14 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:24.070
15 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:24.078
16 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:24.200
17 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth 1:25.691
18 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:25.721
19 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:25.947
20 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:26.600

Also news from the circuit is that Jordan has announced that they will be using Toyota power for 2006 when they will be know as Midland.

cheers. :)

[lukey73]

What a dog the Williams must be Kimi goes out first and ends up 4th on the grid Webber goes 2nd and ends up 16th 2.6 seconds slower than Kimi. Now i know that fuel may have something to do with it but 2.6 seconds !!

Oh well there is always next year for Williams

And one M.schumacher seems to be back in the running this year as he is on pole.

Luke

[wayno]

But how light is he?

[Holden2003]

I dont think that Michael is that light. He was quite close to the Mclaren's in practise. It may only be 2 laps of fuel. At least the ferrari failure of success (at legitimate races) has been good for the series.

[brchi17]

Originally posted by wayno
But how light is he?

I recon he had to be pretty light considering he was almost a second faster than JPM in the McLaren. (see below)

1 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:19.882
2 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:20.779
3 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:20.839
4 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:20.891
5 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:20.964
6 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:21.141
7 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:21.158
8 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:21.302
9 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:21.333
10 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:21.787
11 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:21.937
12 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 1:22.086
13 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:22.279
14 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:22.565
15 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:22.866
16 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:23.495
17 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:24.443
18 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:25.057
19 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth 1:25.484
20 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota

With Mark back there in 16th, hopefully he won't get hit from behind again :rolleyes:

Perhaps we should start a pole of how many laps of fuel Michael had, as I think he must of been pretty light to all of a sudden have such great pace.

cheers. :)

[toad]

Schumaker knows its impossible to pass on this track, so he is probably very happy the Renaults are not at the very pointy end or he would loose the drag to the first corner.

Webber is going to have another painful race. Hopefully he will survive the first corner this time. But even if his car miraculously developes some speed, he will be bottled up in a procession following the Saubers etc. The best he can hope for is a reliable race, some attrition amongst the other cars and a resonable position to qualify from in the next race.

[wayno]

Fuel will be the key tonight. Will be interesting to see how it all works out. If Michael is running light I feel it would be a disadvantage as when you pit you will stick yourself in the cue behind some slower cars.
Have a look at p1 and p2. Could be some first corner fireworks I'm thinking!

[ferrari fan]

Maybe Bridgestone has found the winning formula and mixed up a good compound.
FERRARI has not been iddle in trying to find speed, so the possibility of having found it has to be considered.
Barrichello is also in the pointy end of the field, so the car must be fast.

[brchi17]

Interesting to note, that Ferrari has stated that Michael is on a 3 stop strategy.

I find this statement strange because we all know that Ferrari don’t usually disclose any information.

I wonder if they are playing down things to hide the fact that they may actually be ultra competitive for once this year.

cheers. :)

[toad]

Schuey could be in a very light car and could put in some blinder early laps. When he pits and rejoins, his car will be slow and the others will be lighter and faster. So I expect it will be Schuey doing the holding up at this point. If he can get enough gap in the early part of the race he may be able to pit and rejoin in the top 4 or 5 cars then hold those poor blokes up because they can't pass on this circuit. This would help him get maybe a top 3-5 result in the end.

[ferrari fan]

I will stick my neck out, (I am off for a forthnight anyway, with not a computer in sight:mad: )and 'predict' a win for the "kaiser"
We will dissapear in the distance and win by a Hungarian country mile:D

[toad]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
I will stick my neck out, (I am off for a forthnight anyway, with not a computer in sight:mad: )and 'predict' a win for the "kaiser"
We will dissapear in the distance and win by a Hungarian country mile:D

Thats a very big call.

I think Kimi will walk it.

[brchi17]

I don't want to get too excited, but I'm backing Michael :D !!!

[lukey73]

Webber must have had fuel in every orifice of the Williams 56 laps on the First stint goes to show how much fuel he was carrying in qualifying ! No wonder he was 2.6 sec's slower than Kimi who pitted after 11 laps.

:D

Luke

[wayno]

About time Kimi had some luck. It's been a long time coming! Must feel sorry for JPM though. It was going to be pretty close between those two. Would have been interesting to see if Juan would have been asked to "help" Kimi or not.
The Mc Laren reliability record is a bit of a worry. They have the fastest cars around, but still can't crack it for a 1-2 result.
Finally we see a flinch from Alonso. The kid is human after all! No points and a big chunk out of his lead. Once he ended up back in the pack at this track it was game over. As for his team mate. You have to ask how safe is his seat for next year.
I was glad to see Michael back near the front, but the drop off in performance from the Bridgestone tyres was alarming! I hope the competitiveness he showed was not a one off. Hungry can tend to make bad cars look better than they are much like Monaco.
The Williams is still a boat anchor. Mark and Nick were steady, if unspectacular and finished about as well as they could have hoped for.
Off to a new circuit for everyone next which should be interesting. I hope Kimi can pull some more points back so we can see a good title race to the wire.

[timbo333]

I hear there was plenty of 'drama' on the first lap.

I only taped the race so yet to watch it. I heard Klein went for a barrel roll....:eek:

Well done to McLaren on 1st possie though.

Looking forward to seeing the race from the VCR.

Cheers,

Timbo.

[REDVRSS]

A Good Solid Effort from Webber, watching him on live timing he was at times matching the top 3 for pace but spent a lot of his race behind other cars.

Great win for Kimmi however if Montoya didnt have the drive shaft give up I reckon there may have been a Columbian on top of the podium if he was on a 2 stop plan.

BTW I love this 19 race season, 4 races in 5 weeks is awesome!

Cheers,

Paul.

[wayno]

Originally posted by REDVRSS
BTW I love this 19 race season, 4 races in 5 weeks is awesome!


Hearing you on that one! It's just too good! :cool:

[wayno]

Just checking out driver quotes and came across this from Jordan's Tiago Monteiro.

"This is another finish for me, which is good for my record and the team," said Monteiro. "The car was again very reliable. Unfortunately, we are paying the price for kamikaze drivers around us at the beginning.

The fumes coming out of his Toyota engine must be getting to him. Has he forgotten what happened just a week ago?

[toad]

Its part of the problem in having racing where its very difficult to overtake. No one wants to give one inch in the first corner as it is about the only chance to make up a place on the track. And if you happen to look like loosing a place going into turn 1, its very unlikely to get it back later other than thru strategy.

Everyone becomes a desperado in turn 1 and that makes it about the most exciting part of the whole race.