1/12 Biante project. [Archive] - Biante Model Cars - Australian Diecast Collectors Forum

Eliot Meadows

20-09-2005, 08:07 PM

If its a car I like then the price will be ok, but if I dont think highly enough of whatever it's to be then I wont buy one, typical fussy bugger collector eh!
Something like the HZ LE COUPE would make the desirable list but something like an XF (?) ESP 5.8 would not. Just a little Holden bias showing through.
Perhaps Bev and Trevor are still unsure as to whether the yet to be revealed "previously unmodelled car" would sell in enough numbers to justify the developement costs.
We will just have to wait and see what develops whilst the crew at B&T snigger at all the guesses and think "if only you knew!".
I feel a competition coming on!!
First correct guess wins the prototype or something similar.
What are the chances people in "the know" at BIANTE?

I will take an outside chance of the above mentioned LE COUPE.

szwadiak100

20-09-2005, 09:45 PM

This is the first I've heard of a 1:12 Biante model.

Malik

20-09-2005, 10:29 PM

I thought the whole project was shelved.

HSV GOD

21-09-2005, 12:56 AM

PERSONALLY i'd like to see biante stay with the 3 scales and look at getting more models out that people have showed interest in rather than having all these ''DEVELOPMENT APPROVED'' models clogging up there website

i think people would start to be interested again knowing that a model will be released sooner;)

NatesV8s

21-09-2005, 06:48 AM

I'll still stick to my minicars and 1:43's, they are more affordable and you can have more of them.

biante1762

21-09-2005, 07:29 AM

I still rekon its a phase 4 road car

adhowie

21-09-2005, 07:47 AM

if you look at other threads relating to this the reson admin give for not telling us what the model is is that the manufacture has not release the car yet.

correct me if im wrong admin!

BUt having said that if its a brock related car it would be hard for me not to buy.

texan

21-09-2005, 07:48 AM

I asked about this a little while ago.

Here is the ensuing discussion.

(I hope the link works)

http://forums.biante.com.au/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6289

MarkHM

21-09-2005, 10:39 AM

If the car has "05" on the door, or is in any way related to PB then it will be in my collection irrespective of price...these things don't generally come around twice.

Hey Charger

21-09-2005, 11:14 AM

imagine its Bill Bourke's XW GT 428 special...yumyumyum

fomoco04

21-09-2005, 11:23 AM

Crikey. I'm with you Hey Charger.:D :D

hot5

21-09-2005, 12:05 PM

enough BS just tell us what when and how much

NatesV8s

21-09-2005, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by hot5
enough BS just tell us what when and how much

yum yum yum, thats what teenaged girls say.

VXfan

21-09-2005, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by NatesV8s
yum yum yum, thats what teenaged girls say.
And exactly what is that supposed to mean?what the f...?

Hey Charger

21-09-2005, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by NatesV8s
yum yum yum, thats what teenaged girls say.

the yumyumyum comes out every time when im on a major scoff-a-thon firstly devouring everything visually then actually comitting it all to my stomach when Iget down to it....so its a round about ref to what im going to feel if such a model is made...ps the last and only time I know a chick went yum yum yum, well lets just say I wont go there :D

MclarenF1

21-09-2005, 12:56 PM

Dear Biante/Administration

I and others are sick to death of the suspence about this model, and i know everyone on this forum want's some answers relating to what it is, and when we will see it.
It is unjust and unfair to keep your loyal diecast supporters in the dark like this, it's cruel and nasty.
We all want a quick and comprehensive response concerning this models identification.
Please have the decency and respect to respond to this letter and give us all what you know we want, some answers.

Regards
MclarenF1

Leigh

21-09-2005, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by MclarenF1
Dear Biante/Administration

I and others are sick to death of the suspence about this model, and i know everyone on this forum want's some answers relating to what it is, and when we will see it.
It is unjust and unfair to keep your loyal diecast supporters in the dark like this, it's cruel and nasty.
We all want a quick and comprehensive response concerning this models identification.
Please have the decency and respect to respond to this letter and give us all what you know we want, some answers.

Regards
MclarenF1
Umm, please don't speak for me...I couldn't give a stuff what it is...I'll probably buy it anyway, and would gladly wait another 5 years if that is what it takes to make it just right!

Stop being so impatient, there is more to life than a 1:12 model:rolleyes: I am personnaly sick to death of these "I demand to know" type of threads...:eek:

hot5

21-09-2005, 01:08 PM

take youre own advice and DON'T SPEAK FOR OTHERS the guys here just want some answers no harm in that !!!!!!!

a9x

21-09-2005, 01:36 PM

i'm with leigh on this one. why is it every time a new member joins their first post is asking why hasn't or when will a model be released

Leigh

21-09-2005, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by hot5
take youre own advice and DON'T SPEAK FOR OTHERS the guys here just want some answers no harm in that !!!!!!!
Excuse me, but I specifically used the word I. So unless I am vastly mistaken, the word I refers to me and only me, and not anybody else...:rolleyes:

Hey Charger

21-09-2005, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by a9x
i'm with leigh on this one. why is it every time a new member joins their first post is asking why hasn't or when will a model be released

Irrespective new or long serving forum member ....whole point of the forum is to feel free to ask the question otherwise whats the point of having a forum....I could have ignored this thread but I do have an interest as I have 1:12 scale in my collection and would love to add an Aussie Muscle car....so from from my end I would like to know "what it is" more than "when it'll happen" so in part im like Leigh happy to wait but i'll do my best to "fish" out something from Biante....further Biante did hint at it and its been a while since any further light been shed on the matter..

Cheers

fomoco04

21-09-2005, 02:25 PM

Regardless of WHAT or WHEN
Im sure you'd all want it to be perfect as it won't be cheap.
And it will be the centre piece of any collection it graces.

texan

21-09-2005, 02:26 PM

There's fishing out information, and then there's whinging like a spoilt brat.

I dread what F1's parents have to put up with every year. What am I getting for xmas? I demand to know now!

You don't speak for everyone, if you bothered to look at the link I posted, you will see that most people are happy to have an adult discussion, speculating as to what it will be.

Regardless of what it will be, it will be a major milestone in Biante's manufacturing history that should be kept secret until Biante are ready to go with it.

Hey Charger

21-09-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by texan
There's fishing out information, and then there's whinging like a spoilt brat.

I dread what F1's parents have to put up with every year. What am I getting for xmas? I demand to know now!

You don't speak for everyone, if you bothered to look at the link I posted, you will see that most people are happy to have an adult discussion, speculating as to what it will be.

Regardless of what it will be, it will be a major milestone in Biante's manufacturing history that should be kept secret until Biante are ready to go with it.

But its not a secret any longer as its now common knowledge that there is a 1:12 in the pipeline so basically the cats out of the bag but we donâ€™t know what kind it is.....I do agree with you that the previous link you kindly posted covered much detail & Hypothesis...Not speaking for everyone but the "impression" I had was thatâ€™s where it ended, peoples hypothesis on how many will be made, cost etc all detail without knowing what the final product would be much like the "the cart before the horse" analogy....seeing this thread I thought maybe a new start on a different angle may have resulted in a different outcome unfortunately it didnâ€™t get to go in the right direction and basically crashed & burned into the wall at the end of the alley..

Cheers

Martin Thomas

21-09-2005, 02:49 PM

If I have learnt 1 thing in 33 years it's this:

It's not WHAT you ask... But HOW you ask

Geez, if my kids "spoke" to me the way some write here, they would get nothing. It's pretty obvious, TO ME, that Biante aren't ready to tell us (or their competitors) what the 1/12th will be. At least we know it's in the pipeline and we can be ready for it, unlike the Ambrose/Ingall twinset. Please, don't make Biante regret giving all of us a bit of inside info, or they may stop.:(

MclarenF1

21-09-2005, 02:59 PM

I'm not speaking for everyone but i think it is only fair to the loyal members that Biante stop the secrecy that is fundamentally unnesessary.
It is not like a rival a manufacturer is going to produce this model and steel there thunder.
Why Biante are going to these lowest of low's to hide the true intent of there plains is beyond reasonable ethics.
They must come out with there intentions for there own benifit and the continued respect from there supporters.
This also stands for models in 1/18 also.
There is no reason what so ever that they need to keep this project a secret as they are the only manufacturer that produce Aussie muscle cars.
Biante i and others want the truth as we are mature people and deserve to be treated as such.

Regards
MclarenF1

fomoco04

21-09-2005, 03:36 PM

?There is no reason what so ever that they need to keep this project a secret as they are the only manufacturer that produce Aussie muscle cars.

Ever heard of Trax, Dinkum or Classic Carlectables?

Malik

21-09-2005, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by MclarenF1
Dear Biante/Administration

I and others are sick to death of the suspence about this model, and i know everyone on this forum want's some answers relating to what it is, and when we will see it.
It is unjust and unfair to keep your loyal diecast supporters in the dark like this, it's cruel and nasty.
We all want a quick and comprehensive response concerning this models identification.
Please have the decency and respect to respond to this letter and give us all what you know we want, some answers.

Regards
MclarenF1

mate next time your at KFC can you get me the recipe for the 11 secret herbs and spices?

Biante are in absolutely no way obligated to tell us any more then they already have....

Why Biante are going to these lowest of low's to hide the true intent of there plains is beyond reasonable ethics.

reasonable ethics nothing... they dont have to tell us squat... this is their business and therefore we should probaby just be happy they are doing the 1:12 and have even told us that much..

castkrazy

21-09-2005, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Malik
mate next time your at KFC can you get me the recipe for the 11 secret herbs and spices?

Biante are in absolutely no way obligated to tell us any more then they already have....

reasonable ethics nothing... they dont have to tell us squat... this is their business and therefore we should probaby just be happy they are doing the 1:12 and have even told us that much..

Well said Malik :D , I must say I had a good laugh at your opening sentence .

Seriously though , MclarenF1 we are Primarily "adults" here and should act like it , not come forward with Demanding spoilt Brat mentality which by the way is something mature people would not do ...:mad:

texan

21-09-2005, 06:25 PM

F1,

You are missing the point with the whole secrecy thing. It's not because Biante think the competition will get the jump on them (if Admin has said they should have a sample around Oct - Nov,
no one can develop a model from scratch that quick) , it's to give us collectors a bit of joyful anticipation as to what will be a very special release.

I must admit, I'm also wondering why you are so impatient with this. Once it's announced, it still won't be available for some months thus you'll still have plenty of time to decide if you want it or not.

Tumbo

21-09-2005, 06:34 PM

Forgive me if i'm wrong but mclarenf1 reminds me of another former member who many of us thought we were rid of :rolleyes:

Footy

21-09-2005, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Tumbo
Forgive me if i'm wrong but mclarenf1 reminds me of another former member who many of us thought we were rid of :rolleyes: Like a dose of herpes ,does'nt go away!
His next I:d will be Bugatti Veyron.:rolleyes:

a9x

22-09-2005, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by MclarenF1
I'm not speaking for everyone but i think it is only fair to the loyal members that Biante stop the secrecy that is fundamentally unnesessary.
It is not like a rival a manufacturer is going to produce this model and steel there thunder.
Why Biante are going to these lowest of low's to hide the true intent of there plains is beyond reasonable ethics.
They must come out with there intentions for there own benifit and the continued respect from there supporters.
This also stands for models in 1/18 also.
There is no reason what so ever that they need to keep this project a secret as they are the only manufacturer that produce Aussie muscle cars.
Biante i and others want the truth as we are mature people and deserve to be treated as such.

Regards
MclarenF1
Have you thought about the fact that admin's hands are tied and there is a higher power enforcing the gag of information on a vehicle that may not be in production yet:eek:

when it was first announced the car was yet to be built and yes i can finally put you out of your misery my source has revealed the car that will be made in 1/12 will be the mitsubishi 380 V8supercar:D

MclarenF1

22-09-2005, 06:48 AM

Why is it that out of all the alarge manufacturers like exoto,AA,Kyosho that they release information on upcomming models well in advance even when they know there competitors could get the jump on them. These companies are all in competition yet they don't keep secrets.
Biante on the otherhand don have any competition in the market and are playing games.
They know full well what it is, and how much it will be but they want to drag this out for as long as they can for some sick twisted reprehensible reason.
What are there intentions?
I can guarantee that if they needed information on models they may consider for production they woulds get and immediate reponse from there supporters yet they don't have the common decency to do anything for anyone else.
These large companies function primarily for themselves and there stock holders. They don't give as stuff about the people who got them there.

I'm not being spoilt, i just feel that these people have to start pulling themselve inline with other manufactures and reveal at least a slight abount of information. As it stands they don't want the consumer to have any.

I'm asking Biante to stop the games and produce the truth.

a9x

22-09-2005, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by Tumbo
Forgive me if i'm wrong but mclarenf1 reminds me of another former member who many of us thought we were rid of :rolleyes:
i was thinking it was mclarenfan but the spelling reminds me of ian:D

Dingo

22-09-2005, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by MclarenF1
Why is it that out of all the alarge manufacturers like exoto,AA,Kyosho that they release information on upcomming models well in advance even when they know there competitors could get the jump on them. These companies are all in competition yet they don't keep secrets.
Biante on the otherhand don have any competition in the market and are playing games.
They know full well what it is, and how much it will be but they want to drag this out for as long as they can for some sick twisted reprehensible reason.
What are there intentions?
I can guarantee that if they needed information on models they may consider for production they woulds get and immediate reponse from there supporters yet they don't have the common decency to do anything for anyone else.
These large companies function primarily for themselves and there stock holders. They don't give as stuff about the people who got them there.

I'm not being spoilt, i just feel that these people have to start pulling themselve inline with other manufactures and reveal at least a slight abount of information. As it stands they don't want the consumer to have any.

I'm asking Biante to stop the games and produce the truth.
Would you also like them to personally get your approval before producing any model cars in the future? How about Trevor defer to you in all further production decisions that need to be made? In fact, why don't you take over the entire company, you seem to know so much about what they should and shouldn't do???

Or better yet, why don't you shut up and let them run their business the way that they feel they need to? You've gotten yourself all messed up over 1 (ONE) model car that may or may not be produced, when Biante inform their customers well in advance of nearly every model they decide to go ahead with...

Hopefully this thread's gone far enough that the powers that be can close it without undue fuss...

MclarenF1

22-09-2005, 07:00 AM

what i'm trying to say is Biante are the major manufacturer in Aus of 1/18 cale cars. I know Trax do diecast but can you really imagine them doing a 1/12?

Guys i don't know what you are getting at with me being somebody else from the past.

Who are you speaking of?

Hey Charger

22-09-2005, 07:03 AM

Guys, can I add something in respect to the comments/approach being made by a particular member which I dont know from a bar of soap.....just looking at it from a different perspective and this is how I approach situations at work...

Iâ€™m sure there are people that we work with that you just think "what the hell are you on" this is based on how they go about treating other people, how they talk in terms of being abrupt, direct how poorly they interacting with others, always winging about their lot or that they're not getting what they deserve or want....so do we at work tell em "if my kids behaved in this manner or if my kids spoke in this way or that theyâ€™re spoilt brats"...we dont go saying that ...we deal with it by either ignoring them or playing up to their egos or tolerate them by responding as little as possible...and I see the forum as no different

I dont know if one can say Biante's hands are tied....1) if they were and wanted it to be a secret then why make the 1:12 comment?? 2) References to speculative costing of moulds, usage and returns which suggests a train of thinking from Biante's part....there is allot of other tid-bits of info released here and thereâ€¦

...so what not just come out categorically and say "yep were doing this Moffat 65E XY"..as for the competition well they may have no interest in going into the 1:12 market just going by the States not everyone goes and follows what the other guy into 1:12 because it is so cost prohibitive to begin and also the first manufacturer has basically got the market covered and if they do want to move in it'll be five or so years which Biante will have the Market covered for that (XY) model which they'll have to do something else ie Manaros/Chargers...which will be a win win for us collectorsâ€¦just my unworthy views

Tumbo

22-09-2005, 07:06 AM

one would wonder though w/ someone pushing so much whether they aren't involved w/ another cmpy? MclarenF1 has made a lot of noise and just keeps making it....no logical reason for this.

MclarenF1

22-09-2005, 07:10 AM

Guys i sorry for prevoking any argument concerning this model, this was not my intention.

I am a fan of diecast an like most people get a little impatient with these secrets.

I just don't understand why they are doing this in this way.

a9x

22-09-2005, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by a9x
i was thinking it was mclarenfan but the spelling reminds me of ian:D
edit: whoops i think i mean't mclaren not mclarenfan:confused:
sorry

Richard Poole

22-09-2005, 09:06 AM

Ok, I think this fire needs to be put out.

The 1:12 project isn't as simple as announcing the next model in the Brock/Moffat/Johnson collections. It will be the first EVER 1:12 scale model of an Australian car. It's going to be a huge milestone for Australian diecast collecting. As such the release of information will be a big event also. When we have a sample ready to show we will then make the announcement. Every company does this. Companies like Exoto and Autoart do release information well before the model release (as do Biante) but they would have already been working on those items for a long time before you even heard about it. There are models that I saw at the factory in February last year that still haven't been announced. Maybe it was a mistake even acknowledging that we were making a 1:12 scale model so early?

The second Holden decided to call their next model VE they didn't run out and tell everyone did they. They waited until they were ready.

The actual subject that we are modelling has changed, twice, from our original proposal. That's another reason why we have held our cards close to our chest.

When we have confirmed information that will not change we will release it.

Hey Charger

22-09-2005, 09:11 AM

Richard,

Well put & thank you

PS

Originally posted by Richard Poole
......Maybe it was a mistake even acknowledging that we were making a 1:12 scale model?.....

Suppose Yes & No...YES cos all the undue speculation & pressure it may place....No well it does provide a bit of hype & excitement amongst the collectors and its all good word of mouth for the Biante

Cheers

MclarenF1

22-09-2005, 10:38 AM

for posting back and giving the reason behind the secrecy.
I understand the situation now and accept what you have said.

Regards
MclarenF1.

castkrazy

22-09-2005, 11:00 AM

I think most guy's will agree waiting is half the fun , it's like antisipating what diecast presents you may get for Xmas , you may not know what it will be but you know it's going to be GOOD and worth the wait ... :D

Cheers Jim .

Leigh

22-09-2005, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Richard Poole
Maybe it was a mistake even acknowledging that we were making a 1:12 scale model so early?
I hope the actions of some won't stop Biante acknowledging or hinting at future releases well ahead of time in the future.

Cheers

wayno

22-09-2005, 11:37 AM

I'm quite happy to wait to find out what is coming. Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be big!
I'm a bit the other way. I get a little frustrated by the lead in times that some manufacturers have after announcing a model will be produced. The exoto Mansell car and Minichamps 1:18 McLaren 84 Lauda car spring to mind.

Eliot Meadows

22-09-2005, 12:01 PM

DOH!! I had forgotten about the NEW CAR bit, so my guess about the LE Coupe looks a bit silly now.
With all the speculation and rumours about will they use a particular engine and will they even make one at all, my new guess will be for the VE HSV GTS sedan with the 7 litre gruntmaster motor. Remember that Biante released the model of the new Monaro about the same time as the 1/1 car.
I wonder how many trips to Holdens "area 51" Trevor and the crew have made recently.