F1 rumours and gossip 2006. [Archive] - Biante Model Cars

wayno

24-01-2006, 01:58 PM

Martini have confirmed a three year deal with Ferrari. Also it's being reported that McLaren are in negotiations to get Vodafone on their cars for 2006. It could happen, but I'm sure the Maranello boys would want some pretty hefty compensation.
Also, ITV are reporting that the Belgian GP might not be a dead duck like we all thought. Let's hope common sense prevails and we can keep this fine event on the calendar.

Formula 1’s governing body has dismissed suggestions that the Belgian Grand Prix has been struck off the 2006 calendar.
A local politician claimed on Friday to have been informed by Bernie Ecclestone’s group that the race would not go ahead because upgrades to the pit/paddock complex could not be completed in time.
However, Saturday’s Daily Telegraph reports the FIA as saying it is not taking the claims seriously.
Ecclestone, who has been in negotiations with the Wallonian regional government over the future of the race for several months after the former promoter went bankrupt, was unavailable for comment.
The F1 supremo has previously spoken of his desire to see the race remain on the calendar, and earlier this month a deal that would have safeguarded the event for another three years appeared to be on the cards.
The main sticking points are understood to be the amount of money the regional government is prepared to commit to revamping the circuit’s facilities, and the demanding timescale for those upgrades set by the FIA.

Chev_350

24-01-2006, 06:09 PM

Also it's being reported that McLaren are in negotiations to get Vodafone on their cars for 2006. It could happen, but I'm sure the Maranello boys would want some pretty hefty compensation.

oh ya never know, Marlboro ownes almost every single bit of advertising space ( except I think for the piece of real estate Shell covers) on the Red Barrons and then on sells it and word is Marlboro was asking Vodafone for quite a bit extra compared to other years

Andrew

25-01-2006, 09:58 AM

Toyota are looking to introduce their TF106 'B' spec car by Round 7!!!!

It looks as though the financial and resources muscle in Cologne are finally being flexed.

Word is that the TF107 will be built and run by the end of the year!

wayno

25-01-2006, 01:13 PM

Some great launch pics of the new Ferrari here;

http://www.sportnetwork.net/main/s85/st89285.htm

I think Honda launch tomorrow and Williams the day after. I must say, some very nice looking cars will be running this season.

brchi17

25-01-2006, 02:38 PM

WOW !!!

I love the look of the new Ferrari !!!!

Perhaps with a change of name (to 248F1 instead of the expected name of F2006) Ferrari are hoping for a change in fortune.....

With the change to the new V8 it appears that a lot of teams are really redesigning the contours of the rear of the cars towards a tear drop effect and boy it looks good !!!

Any ideas of the McLaren launch and whether they'll keep that fantastic looking orange colour scheme ???

cheers. :)

wayno

25-01-2006, 02:49 PM

They wont. They do a lot of testing in the orange to keep the link up with Bruce McLaren as a sort of tribute. It's a striking scheme. I really want a model of that. I think I'd get one if they win the world championship or not! :D

wayno

26-01-2006, 10:13 AM

The new Honda has been launched,

http://www.hondaracingf1.com/en/index.php?section= 8

It also is rumoured that Karthikayan has signed a deal to work with Williams for the current season. It's being suggested he'll share Friday testing duties with Wurz. I think this would be a good move for Williams, as India is a massively untapped market for formula one.
If Karthikayan could eventually step up to a full time drive I feel the support that Williams would garner from India would be massive.

dwarfs

26-01-2006, 01:28 PM

Narain getting a test driver role at Williams would be no surprise as the team were very impressed with him when he done a few tests with the team a couple of weeks ago.. Hope he does well..

cheers

wayno

26-01-2006, 08:00 PM

See Valentino Rossi is going to do a proper f1 test at Valencia next week alongside Michael Schumacher and McLaren, BMW, Williams and Honda.
This should be REAL interesting! :D

wayno

27-01-2006, 07:00 AM

Seems the money has been paid and Super Aguri have been confirmed by the FIA as the 11th team in formula one.

MarkHM

27-01-2006, 07:48 AM

wayno

27-01-2006, 08:12 AM

I read with interest that MS might be having 2nd thoughts about retirement (or at least he was correcting the media who have all assumed he will retire)...I'd like to see him reign for another couple of years.

If he does go on I wonder if it will be at Ferrari. Raikkonen is up for grabs at the end of this season and I can't see these two guys fitting in to one team.
Ferrari have to look to the future, and Michael can't go on forever. No matter how great his talent.

dwarfs

27-01-2006, 12:14 PM

Sourced from http://f1.racing-live.com

A new sponsor for Williams
Battery joins the Grove-based team

A day prior to the WilliamsF1 Team’s launch, Battery, the international energy drink, has announced a long term association with the team.

Battery has chosen to team up with Williams in a campaign to reach new global markets. The relationship is a perfect match as both companies share a commitment to success, delivered through effort and hard work, while always remaining true to their core values.

The partnership will afford Battery significant branding opportunities, not least via the global marketing properties of Formula One, but also through considerable logo visibility, including branding on the drivers’ visors, drinks bottles and within the general team environment.

Owned and manufactured by Finnish Sinebrychoff, a daughter company of Carlsberg Breweries A/S, the Battery Energy Drink hit the shelves in 1997, and retains market leadership in many of its territories. Today, Battery is sold in 25 countries, from Finland to Sierra Leone and from Chile to Singapore.

On the new partnership, Mikael Aro, CEO of Finnish Sinebrychoff, concluded, “The WilliamsF1 Team is recognised as one of the most enduring and successful organisations in global sport and we are extremely proud to have entered into this partnership agreement. The deal with Williams will take Battery into an ambitious new arena through which we hope to expand the Battery Energy Drink brand across the global marketplace. We feel energised by Williams and hope Battery will provide the team with the stimulation required for the hard work necessary to win races and world championships.”

Frank Williams, Team Principal of the WilliamsF1 Team, commented, “I am delighted that Battery has taken the decision to sponsor the WilliamsF1 Team. Their core values of hard work and dedication are as prevalent in Formula One as anywhere and we will endeavour to reward their confidence in us with results on the track.”

cheers

Holden2003

27-01-2006, 08:00 PM

If he does go on I wonder if it will be at Ferrari. Raikkonen is up for grabs at the end of this season and I can't see these two guys fitting in to one team.
Ferrari have to look to the future, and Michael can't go on forever. No matter how great his talent.

I am starting to get sick of this will he/wont he retire talk. I know its being going on for years, but its just getting boring now. I think the toyota/schumacher team rumour is rubbish, I cant see why he won't finish with Ferrari, as he won 5 of his 7 championships consecutively with them and he has the preferential treatment in the team (Yes he does). lets get on with the season and lets see him fight. If its a good season, leave on a good note. If its bad, swallow your pride and step gracefully from the limelight.

As for Raikkonen, he has the incentive to jump Mclaren (lack of reliablility) but I think Mclaren would prefer Raikkonen over Montoya and would fight for him. Lets see the chess pieces move now.

wayno

27-01-2006, 10:41 PM

New Williams is on their websyte.

http://www.williamsf1.com/index.html

brchi17

27-01-2006, 10:48 PM

New Williams is on their websyte.

http://www.williamsf1.com/index.html

Looks just like a BMW..............only it isn't...... :eek:

wayno

27-01-2006, 11:01 PM

An announcement on the site confirming Karthikayan and announcing their first Indian sponsor.
Wonder if the two are related? ;)

lukey73

28-01-2006, 06:08 AM

Holden2003

28-01-2006, 01:18 PM

I wish they had of stuck with there winter testing colours, they looked alot nice and smarter than the drab boring thing they will running during the year. I see they dont have a major sponsor yet either.

Luke

Geez this year is bringing some awful F1 designs. I didn't think we wou;d get a more uglier design then the Midland one, but there we go with Williams. The White BMW also makes an ugly look.

What do you think the Squadra Torro Rosso Car will look like? I think it will be Identical to the Red Bull Car in LIvery except the Dark Blue would be replaced with white as seen on the Red Bull ads. If thats the case, would make for some great models.

brchi17

28-01-2006, 10:26 PM

Does anyone else think that new Williams livery looks like the reverse of the BWM-Sauber one ???

If only they'd stuck with the testing livery as it was much, much better.

ferrari fan

29-01-2006, 06:07 AM

McLaren is /will be in trouble this year and even more so in the future.
The reason; Technical Key people are leaving the team in droves after Newey finnished up and the development has come to a stop.
Not good news I am afraid, as we need as many top teams as possible.
Also the move from Fernando seems to be coming to a dead end street.
Well all will be revealed when the flag drops and the Bull dust stops.

Chev_350

29-01-2006, 08:25 AM

yep Red Bull looks like it will become a major player in a few years and with all the Mclaren people heading there maybe thats where Kimi might end up.

wayno

29-01-2006, 08:56 AM

yep Red Bull looks like it will become a major player in a few years and with all the Mclaren people heading there maybe thats where Kimi might end up.

I have been, quite frankly, amazed at the way Red Bull have gone. It's an absolute credit to all involved. I just hope they can afford to keep the same level of investment going in the long term.
A top level driver for 2007 is something I think they'll need. The technical team will be in place and a great driver would be the last piece in the puzzle.
This begs the question for me as to who will be their engine supplier in 2007. It will be interesting to see how they go this season as Ferrari customer teams haven't been a great success in the past. With the investment going on at RBR, I can't see the team being satisfied with a power unit that is second best to anyone in 2007.

Holden2003

29-01-2006, 11:12 AM

A top level driver for 2007 is something I think they'll need. The technical team will be in place and a great driver would be the last piece in the puzzle.

This brings an interesting point. I have thought about this for a bit and there a few options. At the moment you could say if Kimi stays at Mclaren, Juan Pablo Montoya would be the driver. He does fit the Red Bull image.

MIght I suggest Mark Webber? There is good reason for him to go there as many of his former crews are in both Red Bull teams now and his contract does too like M Schumacher, Trulli, Alonso (signed up already), Raikkonen and Montoya all expire at the end of this year. Anthony Davidson may be another option to.

wayno

29-01-2006, 11:54 AM

A lot depends on power units for RBR for 2007 as to who goes there. I can't see Kimi or JPM changing to a camp with anything less than a full factory engine.
That said, I really think Montoya will remain at McLaren, but it's early days yet.

wayno

30-01-2006, 08:10 PM

Bridgestone supplying Super Aguri for 2006. Could this be Honda trying to get some data before they switch from Michelin next year?

MarkHM

31-01-2006, 03:43 AM

Bridgestone supplying Super Aguri for 2006. Could this be Honda trying to get some data before they switch from Michelin next year?

i would not be surprised at all, this is a sport of intrigue

brchi17

31-01-2006, 07:57 PM

have a look at these :D

http://www.biante.com.au/products.htm?action=detai ls&id=16776

http://www.biante.com.au/products.htm?action=detai ls&id=16777

I know they're only 1:43, but perhaps if the little ones are coming them perhaps in time so too might the bigger ones :cool: ???

cheers.

wayno

31-01-2006, 08:58 PM

wayno

01-02-2006, 09:03 PM

Just read this on Autosport. I find it VERY puzzling.

Flavio Briatore will remain Fernando Alonso's manager despite the Spaniard's decision to leave the Renault team at the end of the season.
World Champion Alonso stunned Formula One when he announced he would leave Renault at the end of 2006, when his current contract with the French squad expires. The move prompted speculation that Alonso would break free of his ties with Briatore.
But although Briatore was not aware of the talks between Alonso and McLaren prior to the announcement being made, Alonso has clarified that the flamboyant Italian and his FBB management company will continue looking after his career.
When asked at the Renault launch in Monaco whether Briatore would continue to be his manager, Alonso said: "Yes. Flavio will still be my manager."
Speaking about whether his relationship with Briatore had changed, despite the controversy of his move, Alonso said: "No. Not at all. It is even stronger now."
Briatore moved to clarify Alonso's remarks later on, however, claiming that he has not been personally involved in the management of Alonso while he has been running the Renault team.
He has left that up to Bruno Michel, who helps runs Briatore's Renault-backed FBB management company.
"At the moment I am in charge of Renault and I do not care about the management company," said Briatore. "Bruno Michel is dealing completely with the management company and I don't have any information. It's as simple as that.
"I don't need to clarify anything. Fernando signs a contract with this company and in this company I don't have any active part. I am like Silvio Berlusconi. I never discussed with Bruno Michel. I am the managing director with Renault and Renault know exactly what I am doing."

Andrew

02-02-2006, 11:06 AM

Honda have looked incredibly fast in pre-season testing. While I know the usual "you can't tell much by winter testing times..blah..blah..blah..." they are fast enough for other teams to be sitting up and taking notice with alarm. Renault too look very good for 2006.

Could it be the Michelin boots?

ferrari fan

02-02-2006, 05:27 PM

Honda has never been just a player, look at their record and their achievements, anybody that is involved in F1/MotoGP and does not sit up and takes notice, should be booted out of the paddock.

ferrari fan

02-02-2006, 05:42 PM

Here a pic of the new F1 Renault.
More curves and still not blond but very nice never the less.

ferrari fan

02-02-2006, 05:49 PM

And here is the 2005 MODEL car as a comparison.

Chev_350

02-02-2006, 07:12 PM

rapidshare.de/files/12234981/2006_Ferrari_248_Test ing.zip.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/12234981/2006_Ferrari_ 248_Testing.zip.html )

The new 2006 Ferrari testing at Mugello, credit to steve.......who ever he is.

wayno

03-02-2006, 10:45 AM

Ferrari have confirmed that Nicholas Tombazis will leave McLaren and rejoin the team next month as Chief Designer.
McLaren are starting to leak some pretty important staff members. Who will be next?
Also Japan Tobacco have finally confirmed that 2006 will be their last season as a sponsor in formula one.

wayno

03-02-2006, 09:09 PM

Midland have launched the first ever Russian F1 car. Personally, I think the colour scheme looks pretty good.

http://www.itv-f1.com/F1_Photographs.aspx

berkut76

04-02-2006, 03:12 AM

Midland have launched the first ever Russian F1 car. Personally, I think the colour scheme looks pretty good.

http://www.itv-f1.com/F1_Photographs.aspx

Is there anything Russian on this team besides promotional Matryoshkas or Balalaikas, even if that? The guy who owns this team has an Israeli or Canadian citizenship and has business interests throughout the world, with some development projects in Russia being his priority in the moment. If his business goals will change the team WILL become Chinese, Indian, Sub Saharian African or whatever.

In short, I'm more of a Russian, despite the fact that I don't have a drop of slavic blood in me and was born in Ukraine, than this team will ever be.

Although, I have to give this guy his props. Having an F1 team allows a perfect opportunity to invite some Russian government officials to spend the weekend in exotic palce to do their patriotic duty and cheer for the "Russian F1 team". In the process, if some behind the scene shady business deal will take place, who cares, right?!

Regards,

Sergey

wayno

04-02-2006, 08:05 AM

Well, it's racing under a Russian licence. :rolleyes: Geez!

berkut76

04-02-2006, 08:56 AM

Well, it's racing under a Russian licence. :rolleyes: Geez!

Nothing against you, Wayno, but I just find the idea of "russian" team with no practical Russian involvement whatsoever to be ridiculous. I hope the Russian falg decal is of peel and stick variety to suit the owner geographic business needs.

Please tell me that they have at least imported umbrella girls from Mother Russia?!

Regards,

Sergey

Elvis

04-02-2006, 12:52 PM

Nothing against you, Wayno, but I just find the idea of "russian" team with no practical Russian involvement whatsoever to be ridiculous.

I agree 100%........this team is about as Russian as John Howard.

If my full Aussie parents were rolling in money and went on a world trip and had me in China,do I tell everyone.........Hi,Im Jim Allen Smith and im proudly Chinese??

ferrari fan

04-02-2006, 06:44 PM

never mind, we can look forward to a full grid again.
The more cars the better, just my 5 cents.
F1 =Bui$ne$$

Tumbo

05-02-2006, 10:05 AM

Hope so Brad. Great looking car! :D

Watch what you wish for Wayne

http://biante.com.au/products.htm?action=details&id=16791

3 of them in 1/18 are now up ;)

wayno

05-02-2006, 10:33 AM

Watch what you wish for Wayne

http://biante.com.au/products.htm?action=details&id=16791

3 of them in 1/18 are now up ;)

YYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :cool:

On my watch list now! Oh, and I counted FOUR!

Tumbo

05-02-2006, 11:40 AM

Micounted whooops.....oh well its the thought that counts ;)

wayno

08-02-2006, 04:58 AM

Well, despite how good the McLaren looks they have suffered no end of problems during pre-season testing. So much so that a new version of their V8 engine is rumoured to be nearly ready to hit the track. Seems piston head and crank have all been revised.
Hopefully this will do the trick as I think the Renaults have been the pick so far in testing.
As a side note, Alex Wurz was quickest in testing yesterday with the new Williams.
Gee I can't wait for the season to start! :D

Andrew

08-02-2006, 04:16 PM

Renault look really good, don't they?
Honda also look fast. Could we see these two teams topping the grid in Bahrain?

My letter got published in the current AutoAction, #1176, 8-14 February, titled 'Rubber Bounce for Webber?'

Does anyone agree with what I said?

TBVX05

08-02-2006, 04:58 PM

Watch what you wish for Wayne

http://biante.com.au/products.htm?action=details&id=16791

3 of them in 1/18 are now up ;)

That colour looks terrible, dont you think?

Tumbo

08-02-2006, 06:07 PM

Personally I think the orange is fantastic. Something different plus the history behind the livery. Don't be so quick to judge TBVX05

ferrari fan

08-02-2006, 06:20 PM

There is already a Orange test car in the 1/18 Minichamps lineup namely the MP 12 in both The Coultard and Hakinnen edition.
I agree that it is a few years back when the livery changed to West silver and black from Marlboro red and white.
I will at this stage not post a pic as they are not being aproved for some reason.

Chev_350

08-02-2006, 06:27 PM

My letter got published in the current AutoAction, #1176, 8-14 February, titled 'Rubber Bounce for Webber?'

Does anyone agree with what I said?

intresting read there Andrew, Webber knows Bridgestone suit the pit stop races and they would gain extra data for next year when only the "Bridges" are the only boots for 2007

I had my letter in AA a year ago......it won letter of the week :)

ferrari fan

08-02-2006, 06:28 PM

Ahh Oilrighty wainey here they are.
MP4-12B MP4-12 test and MP4-11 1/18 scale.

ferrari fan

08-02-2006, 06:30 PM

just have a look at the detail in this Exoto model!

wayno

08-02-2006, 07:37 PM

That colour looks terrible, dont you think?

You've got to be kidding don't you? As Tumbo said, look at the history. The orange is a tip of the cap to Bruce McLaren who started the team. I think It looks great.
Bert, call me wainey again and you will have some SERIOUS problems next time you come visit me at Bathurst! :D

brchi17

08-02-2006, 08:09 PM

Interesting to note that Mild Seven will not be renewing their current sponsorship contract with Renault F1 when it expires in 2007. I wonder if this is another clue to the timing of the departure of Renault from Formula One ???

cheers. :)

dwarfs

09-02-2006, 02:22 AM

Belgian Grand Prix off for 2006
From correspondents in Brussels
February 9, 2006

This year's Belgian Grand Prix has been cancelled, but it may be reinstated for 2007.

Dropping the race which was scheduled for Septeber 17 at the historic Spa-Francorchamps course, means the 2006 season will feature 18 races instead of 19.

The race has been in jeopardy since local race organisers filed for bankruptcy last year, forcing the regional government to cover mounting financial losses.

Belgian officials wanted Formula One's commercial director Bernie Ecclestone to take over as race promoter.

In a brief statement, the FIA made no mention of the financial troubles.

"The withdrawal has been made in order to allow the completion of extensive improvement work to facilities at the Spa-Francorchamps circuit," the FIA said.

"The FIA hopes that the event will be included once again in the Formula One Championship calendar from 2007."

Despite talk of reinstating the race, Ecclestone has suggested he would prefer cutting the calendar to 17 or 18 races for 2007.

Spa is one of Formula One's most venerated tracks, but attendance slipped last year to 50,000, half that of a decade ago.

Agence France-Presse

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What a shame, one of the best race track in F1 gone for 2006...

Holden2003

09-02-2006, 11:00 AM

What a Shame for Drivers, teams and above all Fans. Not running Spa is saying that Bathurst wil be scrapped.

wayno

09-02-2006, 05:59 PM

wayno

09-02-2006, 07:43 PM

Gerhard Berger has bought a 50% share of Scuderia Torro Rosso.

Also, Renault have announced they will look at their involvement in f1 on a year by year basis.

"As long as it's a good investment for Renault, we'll stay," Carlos Gosn said. "At the moment it's a good investment. We will look at it year after year, in 2007, then 2008, then 2009.
As long as we continue to perform well and offer a good show and be at the top level of F1, then there is no question about the future," he said at the launch last week. "As long as F1 has a good return for manufacturers and investors, then we should be there."

Might be setting up to take their bat and ball and go home yet again! :mad:

MarkHM

13-02-2006, 12:36 PM

Wayno, is Carlos Gosn (spelling?) the CEO of Renault? I'm sure he was the guy that turned Nissan around...mind you Renault own 40 odd% of Nissan so I guess they're all related

wayno

13-02-2006, 01:06 PM

Wayno, is Carlos Gosn (spelling?) the CEO of Renault? I'm sure he was the guy that turned Nissan around...mind you Renault own 40 odd% of Nissan so I guess they're all related

It is most certainly the same guy.

wayno

14-02-2006, 05:14 AM

Has anyone been reading about the latest ides from Max Mosley for cost cutting in f1?
This is part of an article from Autosport:

Mosley has also further increased the pressure on the manufacturers by revealing controversial plans to reduce costs by introducing same-spec engines from 2008 to 2010.
Under the scheme, manufacturers would have to lodge their engine design with the FIA by next June and then that specification of power-unit would be frozen for 2008, 2009 and 2010 - meaning no development at all for three years.
Reliability problems, however, could be addressed as long as the work did not result in a performance advantage.
"It would save up to one billion Euros per year on engine development," explained Mosley.
"I have a real determination to see this through. If F1 is to prosper we have got to get the costs down in order to help the independents survive.
"The GPMA and the manufacturers have been complaining about not getting enough money back from the sport, but they are spending between them one billion Euros per year. It would be better to cut that than try and get more back from Bernie Ecclestone."

Whilst I do believe there has to be some limits put on spending in f1 I think the proposed engine rule is absolute madness! Mosley wants to be very careful as in my opinion limits like this will be detrimental to the sport. F1 is as much about innovation and challenge as it is about racing. This makes it different from practically every other series in the world. A balance must be struck or f1 will lose what makes it unique.
The last part about how it would be a better way for the teams to get more back from Bernie Ecclestone is also ridiculous. Money grabbing is inherent in f1 now and it annoys the hell out of me. :mad:
There is talk now that the Hockenheim facility could go down for good and the German gp be cancelled for this season unless a big cash injection is found for the place. There are countries queing up to host a gp and this is great, but the ever rising costs imposed on the circuits by the greedy little men that run the sport are meaning the traditional venues are being lost.
We have lost quite a few great venues because they just can't find the money to compete with countries nobody ever heard of who think an f1 gp is a great way to legitimise themselves. If by some sheer fluke the venue under attack does manage to find the ever increasing sanctioning fee then it seems that all of a sudden some costly major improvement has to be made a.s.a.p. or the event just can't possibly go ahead.
How many ivory back scratchers does one man need?

Leigh

14-02-2006, 06:20 AM

So what happens if say Toyota lock in a design with 50hp more than everybody elses locked in design?

Commitment to 3 years of losses with no room to bridge the gap...:rolleyes:

from 2000-2004, most teams lived in hope of bridging the gap between themselves and Ferrari

wayno

14-02-2006, 09:58 AM

The thing that would worry me most is you could get to the stage where a team had developed a new part and resorted to detonating engines on the second car so that it could be introduced. Then the new part would 'coincidently' have an extra x-amount of hp!
Teams would still spend the same money.

wayno

15-02-2006, 03:57 PM

Hopefully the Williams is starting to look good.

1. WEBBER Williams 1m10.691s
2. KLIEN Red Bull 1m11.240s
3. DE LA ROSA McLaren 1m11.633s
4. MONTOYA McLaren 1m11.701s
5. WURZ Williams 1m12.657s
6. MONTEIRO MF1 1m12.920s
7. DOORNBOS Red Bull 1m14.053s
8. WINKELHOCK MF1 1m14.299s
9. MONDINI MF1 1m24.100s

Also, Team Aguri Suzuki have announced Takuma Sato and Yuji Ide as their drivers for this season.

Chev_350

15-02-2006, 07:35 PM

Wayno, is Carlos Gosn (spelling?) the CEO of Renault? I'm sure he was the guy that turned Nissan around...mind you Renault own 40 odd% of Nissan so I guess they're all related

yes but he has the nick name "Le Cost Cutter", so if they get beat too many times, consider in F1 program cut

brchi17

15-02-2006, 07:40 PM

yes but he has the nick name "Le Cost Cutter", so if they get beat too many times, consider in F1 program cut

Isn't it done all ready, we just need to wait until 2007 when Alonso & Mild 7 leave and then we'll hear the 'this is our last year, we've achieve all we set out to achieve' speech.........

cheers. :)

wayno

16-02-2006, 06:37 PM

Things are not verry happy at Mercedes at the moment.

Mercedes-Benz motorsport director Norbert Haug fears his company may not be able to solve its engine problems before the first round of the season in Bahrain, in three weeks time.
Haug publicly admitted for the first time that Mercedes is lagging behind on the V8 engine development and is facing some problems.
"I openly admit that we are not where we want to be with the V8 programme," Haug told this week's Autosport magazine. "The timescale is tight and we have some problems. Will we have it 100 per cent solved before Bahrain? Who knows?
"In the past we haven't had the biggest bore, so we've had to make a big step and associated with that is a learning process."
But the German added that recent reports, which claimed the Mercedes V8 is significantly down on revs compared to its rivals, were wide off the mark.
"These things get exaggerated. We're not panicking," he said.

Norbert, you may not be panicking, but I bet Kimi is!

ferrari fan

17-02-2006, 12:09 PM

F1 shgould be a free for everything, including design and amount spend.
This is just way of the mark.
If you cannot afford the cost get into another class.
MAX GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN.

wayno

18-02-2006, 06:21 PM

Raikkonen into the 09's at Valencia for the fastest pre-season time by a V8 car. Things are starting to hot up.
I can't wait for round one of what promises to be an excellent season! :D

stirlf1

02-03-2006, 01:19 PM

Looks as though Ch. 10 will be showing qualifying this year.

http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/cgi-bin/TV/Search.cgi?term=bahrain&state=Adelaide&searchtype=search&fta=1&fox=0&opt=0&lk=sofcom
http://www.southerncrossbroadcasting.com.au/TVGuid e/eguide.asp?ch=PIR%2010:Southern%20Cross%20TEN%20-%20Port%20Pirie&dd=20060311

Wont have to follow qualy through live timing this year. :)

inter

02-03-2006, 02:15 PM

wayno

02-03-2006, 08:55 PM

wayno

02-03-2006, 09:07 PM

Rumours in Finnish and German newspapers saying a deal is done for Raikkonen to go to Ferrari next season even if Michael stays.
Also reports that insiders from the Alonso camp are stating that Raikkonen will definately not drive with Fernando next year.
I wonder how long before we get an announcement on this? It will be interesting because it seems Red Bull are courting JPM as well. I don't think Ron would mind too much if they both went. He has secured Fernando and has been grooming Lewis Hamilton for quite a while now. He would probably just bump him up to f1 earlier than he planned.

MarkHM

03-03-2006, 02:37 AM

I am nerly in tears! Best news I've had in a LONG time!!!!! :D :D :D :cool:

But let's hope the "new" qualifying format is worth it. We are getting F1 this year (including qual) on sky so we're waiting with baited breath. A shame really because I thought Geoff Bryan did a great job as anchor...same cannot be said about Bob though

ferrari fan

03-03-2006, 08:15 AM

Iceman with no expression in a heavenly Ferrari??
Yer got to be kiddin!
Us Ferrari Tifosi want Fernando, Not this frozen nob from the toendra's.

brchi17

03-03-2006, 08:31 PM

I am nerly in tears! Best news I've had in a LONG time!!!!! - WHAT !!!! and I thought SBR winnning a 3rd straight championship really did it for ya pal :D !!!

How cool is this & at that time of the night (http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/cgi-bin/TV/Search.cgi?term=formula+1&state=Melbourne&searchtype=search&fta=1&fox=0&opt=0&lk=sofcom) we won't need sun glasses to watch the shinny new mclaren go past as it will be night time :D LOL !!!

cheers. :)

wayno

03-03-2006, 08:56 PM

- WHAT !!!! and I thought SBR winnning a 3rd straight championship really did it for ya pal :D !!!

How cool is this & at that time of the night (http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/cgi-bin/TV/Search.cgi?term=formula+1&state=Melbourne&searchtype=search&fta=1&fox=0&opt=0&lk=sofcom) we won't need sun glasses to watch the shinny new mclaren go past as it will be night time :D LOL !!!

cheers. :)

Funny guy. I don't mind losing the championship as it needs to be shared around to keep both sides interested. Bathurst is another matter!

wayno

03-03-2006, 09:18 PM

According to reports at Autosprt Williams will run their seamless shift gearbox at Bahrain. Be interesting to see how it goes. It has done a full gp distance in testing, and the team are quietly confident about the improvement it makes in lap times.

ferrari fan

04-03-2006, 08:26 AM

REALY MarkWebber should be installed in the Ferrari, and not be a dummy tester for frank's disintergrating team.

Andrew

09-03-2006, 04:21 PM

wayno

09-03-2006, 05:33 PM

I don't think the Honda has ever really lacked that much for speed. Their biggest problem last year was the perplexing way the car lost pace mid race.
If the chassis can run fast consistently then they will be a force. Rumours say the teams tyres haven't been lasting as well in testing as some of the others so we shall see.

singer

09-03-2006, 06:07 PM

REALY MarkWebber should be installed in the Ferrari, and not be a dummy tester for frank's disintergrating team.

Bert,

Why don't you suggest that to Sir Frank:eek: ;)

brchi17

09-03-2006, 06:49 PM

F1 Racing believes from pre-season estimates that the Cosworth V8 powering the Williams is the most powerful engine, putting out 745bhp.

Honda and Ferrari are estimated at 730 bhp, while formerly top dog (or equal) Toyota is equalling Renault for approx 720bhp. BMW and Mercedes meanwhile are estimated to produce 715 and 710 bhp respectively.

Remember, these are merely estimates, but they would confirm the pre-season pace from Honda.

While I'm sure it would be good for Mark to have his fair share of power, it really doesn't mean squat if it's not drivable or if you can't get all of this power down :D !!!

That said, no one will argue that these are awesome figures considering the size of the engine they're using. I know this is formula one, but 700+bhp from a 2.4lt V8 has got to be rather impressive in anyones language.

cheers. :)

wayno

10-03-2006, 04:49 AM

I will not be fully sold on the new engine regs until I've heard them in the flesh. I think the V-10's were stunning sounding things. I just hope the V-8's can still send the same tingle down my spine.

wayno

10-03-2006, 02:12 PM

First session at 7pm Melbourne time tonight via live timing, which it seems is still free.
Then the dilemma tomorrow night. Do I stay away from the forum and the pc and watch the session on 10 as "live", or give in to temptation and use the pc?!? :confused:

james

10-03-2006, 03:20 PM

Most likely both.

wayno

10-03-2006, 03:32 PM

Most likely both.

I think I'll try for the watch it as live option. I just have to make sure I have the will power to stay away from the results! :D

james

10-03-2006, 03:38 PM

I think I'll try for the watch it as live option. I just have to make sure I have the will power to stay away from the results! :DWon't happen....... you will be drawn by not knowing to LOG on.

brchi17

10-03-2006, 04:01 PM

I think I'll try for the watch it as live option. I just have to make sure I have the will power to stay away from the results! :D

You can do it buddy :D !!!

I know how you feel as I'm pondering the same predicament. I think watching it on the telly not knowing would be the much better option, than just looking at numbers on a screen.

Hang in pal, it's less than 2 days away, you know you can do it !!!

cheers. :)

wayno

10-03-2006, 04:12 PM

Live timing on now for session one for those interested.

brchi17

10-03-2006, 04:14 PM

Live timing on now for session one for those interested.

just waiting for mine to load............:rolleyes:

brchi17

10-03-2006, 04:24 PM

interesting to note that it appears the big guns are waiting for the also rans to clean up & run in the circuit.....:rolleyes:

wayno

10-03-2006, 04:47 PM

With tyre restrictions, etc some are predicting no more than three flying laps from the big guys on Friday. I'm more interested in the times of the third drivers today.

brchi17

10-03-2006, 04:51 PM

very true, have you caught up on the latest rule change regarding qualifying ???

If you car stops, spins, brakes down etc out on the track you are automatically out of the session, regardless of any previous time you've set :eek: !!!

Bloody stupid in my book, why not just make it a one hour session, fastest car gets pole, the old keep it simple theory......

Just when it appears they seem to make the game more appealing, someone has to step in at the 11th hour to bugger things up :rolleyes:

wayno

10-03-2006, 04:53 PM

I think the new format is too confusing for the average race fan.

brchi17

10-03-2006, 04:56 PM

....I'm more interested in the times of the third drivers today.

that's all fine and good, but some of these 3rd drivers I've never heard of & therefore I don't know which team they are driving for :eek: !!!

an entry list would be handy - if I could find one......

brchi17

10-03-2006, 05:01 PM

finally with 5 minutes to go the big guns are starting to hit the track !!!

brchi17

10-03-2006, 05:09 PM

Interesting to note that neither of Williams or Honda's main pairs didn't even do a sighting lap......

Also interesting to note that maybe & just maybe the Ferrari's might be back on the pace, that said Masser was a fair way behind Michael & yes I know it's only the 1st session of the year.

wayno

10-03-2006, 05:12 PM

BMW - Heidfeld, Villeneuve, Kubica
Honda - Button, Barrichello, Davidson
Red Bull - Coulthard, Klein, Doornbos
Midland - Monteiro, Albers, Winklehock
Toro Rosso - Liuzzi, Speed, Jani
McLaren - Raikkonen, Montoya
Renault - Alonso, Fisichella
Super Aguri - Sato, Ide
Ferrari - M Schumacher, Massa
Williams - Webber, Rosberg, Wurz
Toyota - Trulli, R Schumacher

I think I got them all. That's how I remember who's driving for who anyway.

wayno

10-03-2006, 05:29 PM

Interesting. Track conditions seem to be pretty good. As a point of reference, Zonta was quickest in Friday practice last year with a 1.31.449, so the pace is pretty darn good in my eyes.
If the pace of Kubica is anything to go by then BMW have certainly hit the ground running!
The pace for Williams is encouraging as well. Wurz was equal quickest in sector two, fastest in sector three, but .2 down in sector one.
Speed trap times are interesting, but will probably be more representative after this afternoon when they've all run. Kubica quickest so far on the straight, Wurz fastest at the sector splits. Maybe BMW are becoming the uber power specialists again?

wayno

10-03-2006, 05:47 PM

Sorry, times for anyone interested;

1. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:32.170 20
2. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:32.310 + 0.140 18
3. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:33.388 + 1.218 6
4. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:33.469 + 1.299 5
5. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:34.800 + 2.630 6
6. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:34.831 + 2.661 15
7. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:34.887 + 2.717 6
8. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:34.925 + 2.755 6
9. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:35.017 + 2.847 4
10. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:35.083 + 2.913 8
11. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrar (M) 1:35.203 + 3.033 15
12. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:35.371 + 3.201 7
13. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:36.542 + 4.372 9
14. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:36.930 + 4.760 9
15. Winkelhock MF1-Toyota (B) 1:37.918 + 5.748 16
16. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:38.190 + 6.020 15
17. Ide Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:40.782 + 8.612 15
18. Davidson Honda (M) No Time 2
19. Alonso Renault (M) No Time 2
20. Fisichella Renault (M) No Time 2
21. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) No Time 2
22. Trulli Toyota (B) No Time 1
23. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) No Time 1
24. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) No Time 1
25. Barrichello Honda (M) No Time
26. Button Honda (B) No Time
27. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M) No Time
28. Villeneuve BMW-Sauber (M) No Time

Holden2003

10-03-2006, 08:11 PM

Just watching the last few minutes of practise 2 on live timing. Surprise, surprise Rakikkonen seems to blown an engine. His car stopped on circuit half way throught the session. Trulli also stopped and so did Ide. Don't read too much to webbers time (17th) as he came out late in the session and it was busy plus yellow flagged. The top four, Davidson, M Schumacher, WURZ!!! and Massa (in order) put in genuine qualifying laps towards the end.

Also toyota seems very slow, finishing 22nd (Ralf) and 24th (Trulli). Wonder if they are slow or was a race-test. Can't wait for qualifying 2moro. Its going to look good on live timing.

fomoco04

10-03-2006, 11:36 PM

Alex wurz has done a fine job with the T car for Williams, hope it's a sign of good things to come for Webber.

wayno

11-03-2006, 05:11 AM

Kimi had an electrical failure and Jarno broke a gearbox. Seems a few guys were having trouble with turn 10. Schumacher, Montoya and Liuzzi were among the drivers to transgress.
JPM is also complaining about his engine being down on power compared to Kimi's, but Ron Dennis has said there is no reason for a change as both are exactly the same spec. Juan has been saying he's about seven kph slower than Kimi with the same aero set up, but according to speed trap figures there was only 2.3 kmh between the two cars best runs. :confused:
Also interesting to note two BMW's in the top three cars on the main straight speed trap. :eek:

Holden2003

11-03-2006, 08:32 AM

Hey who is going to watch F1 qualifying tonight on Live timing or who is going to stay up till 12:25 am for it on Television? Channel 10 in Perth at least are putting it on after tonights movie. Thio is 4 and a half hours after it finishes. I think ill watch the tv as it would be visually better to watch this new qualifying. This and maybe Malaysia would be 1 off shows to qualifying to add to what we see with Melbourne but it would be nice if it was on every GP weekend

brchi17

11-03-2006, 03:40 PM

.....Also interesting to note two BMW's in the top three cars on the main straight speed trap. :eek:

Main problem for BMW has always been getting all their ponies to the ground (until the 2nd 1/2 of last season when they lost interest & stopped development of the V10) as even in the early Williams days they had one of the most powerful units.

What I find extremely interesting is that Ferrari may have found some much needed pace. I wonder if the switch back to fresh tyres at pit stops is allowing Bridgestone to revert back to their 2004 form ???

cheers :)

wayno

11-03-2006, 03:59 PM

Ever since they came into f1 BMW have been right up there with the power stakes. My point is that it seems "amazing" now that they've left Williams that they are back up there.
In my eyes Williams got screwed last year.

wayno

11-03-2006, 04:41 PM

Sat first practice on now.

wayno

11-03-2006, 05:22 PM

Very, very exciting session!

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Button Honda (M) 1:31.857 16
2. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:31.868 + 0.011 8
3. Alonso Renault (M) 1:31.975 + 0.118 11
4. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:32.050 + 0.193 12
5. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:32.826 + 0.969 6
6. Villeneuve BMW-Sauber (M) 1:32.913 + 1.056 14
7. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:33.038 + 1.181 16
8. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:33.262 + 1.405 12
9. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:33.523 + 1.666 14
10. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:33.876 + 2.019 11
11. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:33.944 + 2.087 14
12. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:34.009 + 2.152 15
13. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M) 1:34.094 + 2.237 11
14. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:34.142 + 2.285 16
15. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:34.406 + 2.549 11
16. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:34.434 + 2.577 11
17. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:34.541 + 2.684 14
18. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:35.026 + 3.169 14
19. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:35.351 + 3.494 13
20. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:35.532 + 3.675 13
21. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:36.994 + 5.137 15
22. Ide Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:41.889 + 10.032 10

Ferrari and Renault had both cars in the top four of the speed trap at pretty much every sector. Button just came from nowhere at the last minute.
Now I just have to resist the temptation and watch 10 like it's live later. I know I can do it! :D

Holden2003

11-03-2006, 05:42 PM

Ferrari and Renault had both cars in the top four of the speed trap at pretty much every sector. Button just came from nowhere at the last minute.
Now I just have to resist the temptation and watch 10 like it's live later. I know I can do it! :D

Wayno go to sleep now eh! Caught the last 10 min of it and yes it was very exciting. Good news about webber being 10th, so he can go to the last sector. Can't wait 7 hours now to get my first sight and sound of F1 this year.

Interestingly, apart from albers beating monterio, MF1, STR and aguri filled the last spots of the session in order! Webber Creamed Rosberg (of course its testing so we have to wait 2/7 hrs to see real form) and Montoya was 7 positions slower then Raikkonen. So is there going to be an engine change?

And last thing, is 107% rule still in force? as Ide is out of that range of times in that session (1:38.287 is 107% according to my calculation, based on Buttons chart topping time)

Chev_350

11-03-2006, 06:35 PM

what time is qual on the telly?

lukey73

11-03-2006, 06:39 PM

what time is qual on the telly?

2.30 am or something silly for us in QLD

wayno

11-03-2006, 06:40 PM

01:25 Melbourne time. I have beer so it's all good! :D
Montoya was 6 kph down on Kimi in that session, so maybe he does have something to complain about. Button and Barrichello were only two kph apart, so first points well and truly to Jenson.

xa351gt

11-03-2006, 09:40 PM

Ferrari front row!!! All is right in the world again.
Webber only 1/2 sec quicker than rookie teammate. He better show better race results or the boot will be coming. Frank is notorious for having little patience when the chips are down.

wayno

11-03-2006, 11:41 PM

Glad I waited for the tv. Worth every second. About time we got shown that session.

brchi17

11-03-2006, 11:45 PM

How good was this !!!

I am sooooooooooooooooo glad I stayed up for it & we got the itv feed which just was the bees knees !!!

simply awesome !!!

xa351gt

12-03-2006, 12:43 AM

Dingo

12-03-2006, 06:54 AM

Wonder if Ferrari will disappear into the distance again...

Once again the FIA appear to have screwed the F1 viewing public with its complete disregard for "racing" in the endless quest to put on a show for its corporate backers...

dwarfs

12-03-2006, 08:22 AM

hey guys who are your race commentators? In the States on Speed we have Bob Varsha, Steve Machette, and David Hobbs. A great crew who call the race from a non biased fan point of view. Do you guys get friday practice on the telly?Over here in NZ we have Martin Brundle and Allen Woods (i think, could be wrong)..

Anyway Kimi's suspension failure was scary stuff, the car almost rolled..

Chev_350

12-03-2006, 09:00 AM

Over here in NZ we have Martin Brundle and Allen Woods (i think, could be wrong)....

Thats who we have in Aus......can't stand em

Holden2003

12-03-2006, 09:06 AM

Over here in NZ we have Martin Brundle and Allen Woods (i think, could be wrong)..

Anyway Kimi's suspension failure was scary stuff, the car almost rolled..

Its not Allen Woods, Its James Allen. They are ITV Formula 1's commentating team and James Allen was replacement of the Immortal legend Murray Walker.

Absolutely Fantastic Session!!! The main critisism may come at the cars just trundling out trying to dump fuel in the last session, but if it was a free for all (no fuel restriction) it could be argued that no cars would come at all. It made the last 5 minutes of the session just fantastic, and I am so glad they picked up the lap of Both Schumacher and Button. Worth staying up for.

The Kimi roll may change the tactics of the team come Sepang as that was crazy stuff with all those cars having to come out for the one lap in a row. It was like watching a race. Wouldn't want to play poker with Briatore after watching the Renault tactics.

Pug205

12-03-2006, 09:10 AM

Its James Allen and he is annoying but Brundle is excellent. The new format is exciting until the final session starts. System needs some tweaking. Why cant we go back to low fuel runs for the entire session? Make pole represent the reward for the fastest car and driver again not who has what fuel for the race. F1 qualifying seems so "artifical" when it gets too gimicky (if that makes sense)

Watchout for the Renaults tonight!!!! Go boys!!! :D
I think it will be between them and Ferrari for the win.
Kimis fightback should be fun like always too.
Hope Webber does well, car should be strong for him.
Oh so many points of interest! I cant wait :)

wayno

12-03-2006, 09:38 AM

Can't wait for tonight. Alonso made an error on his flying lap in the final session, but two fastest laps in the first two parts says he will be quick to me.
Jenson is third on the grid and looking good. The car is obviously quick and it will be interesting to see how it treats its tyres over a race distance.
Ferrari are back and Michael did an awesome job, but personally I was very impressed with the form of Massa.
I hope Webber has a good run tonight. Be interesting to see how he gets the car off the line this year.
Should be a great night! :D

spoonster05

12-03-2006, 11:08 AM

I liked being able to watch the qualifying session, particularly with the new format being used for the first time.

Looks like it's going to be a good race tonight...

Holden2003

12-03-2006, 11:09 AM

Is Barrichello just plain slow? They always said that he is a good driver but Ferrari management made Michael their man. Now at BAR he was creamed by Button. I know its too early to make a general comment like that, but it could be true. Massa would of given Michael a few nightmares last night, he has a competitive team mate for once!

Did everyone think after every qualifying stage there was too much info to digest? Like who was fast, who was eliminated, who's on what fuel strategy, whats the cut off time, How good are STR's V10's, who can make another lap in the session? I like that. Makes the sport either Interesting (F1 fan) or complex (lay man).

ferrari fan

12-03-2006, 11:15 AM

YES, YES, YES. Der KAISER IST ZURUCK!!
Ferrari 1-2 rest 3 and lower.
Raikonnen destroyed another one.
Adrian Newey is a smart man and left Dennis the Mennis the king of style with no substance.
Alonso's the man/team to beat.
And Borrachello has proven the long held knowledge, that he is useless in anything other than dummy spittin and emotional (tear) jerking

Ahhh this feels good.
All we need is a victory at Bathurst 1000 by: First On Race Day!

wayno

12-03-2006, 05:22 PM

With hardly any running in the Friday sessions at Bahrain, can anyone see two day f1 week-ends in the future?

brchi17

12-03-2006, 05:33 PM

While I'm excited about seeing Ferrari back with some form, I do hold a little concern amount of concern for the Renault's as it does seem they are heavy. This will be interesting to watch as at present no one really knows how long one can run with these new engines, regulations.

Could they have been cruising around last night with the aim of setting a pace which could save them a pitstop ???

I'll say it again that last night qualifying was awesome & I would have to think back to the Senna era where I can remember watching a more exciting F1 qualifying session.

The only disappointing point for me in this current qualifying format is that the cars should be allowed to go flat out for the ultimate lap time & not be sandbagged for the final session.

I just hope that now ch.10 have shown the qualifying session, that we don't have to watch it all again before they show the race. For me, their qualifying rap (which was basically the rpm segment replayed) was a real nuisance & hopefully now they can just cut straight to the race when it begins at 10:30pm.

IT's not long now fellas, a little under two hours & the long wait will be all over :D !!!

cheers.

wayno

12-03-2006, 05:39 PM

Been very little available on the net gossip wise. I'll be very interested to see what strategy McLaren adopt with Kimi's car.
I dare say a fresh engine wouldn't go astray as he's back of the bus anyway. I'm thinking they might pump for a heavy fuel load to try and run longer than everyone else.

inter

12-03-2006, 06:05 PM

ferrari fan

12-03-2006, 07:12 PM

Tell us what you really think?

inter

I thought I did?
What part is still hazy for you?
I will endeavour to make it even clearer for you, if that would be of any help.
I am a wee bit perplexed that my outburst of joy has a meaning at all to anybody, just a bit of posthoaring, notting serious.Other than a victory by FORD at the mountain, so I can have a beer with Wayno in peace and tranquility,............ Ahhh the thought of that.
I feel like Big KEV!

ferrari fan

12-03-2006, 07:15 PM

Been very little available on the net gossip wise. I'll be very interested to see what strategy McLaren adopt with Kimi.

More ice!! to keep him frozen.

GSXR1

12-03-2006, 10:31 PM

Looks as though Ch. 10 will be showing qualifying this year. Sadly no mention in Perth TV guide for coverage of qualifying for Malaysia next week...and the race itself is scheduled for a 10.30pm replay, despite being in a similar time-zone to Australia :(

brchi17

12-03-2006, 10:58 PM

Well what a race :D !!!

Interesting to note how slow the Toyota's were for the whole race & has fast Nico was in the closing stages of the race, hopefully this shows some good signs for the Williams outfit. I wonder how Nico would have gone had he not had his nose knocked off in the 1st turn ???

Between Nico & Klien for my drive of the race. Christian drove the race of his career, that said who could ignore Kimi's performance either. Although it was pretty impressive it was rather disappointing that again he had to over come a component failure on his race to 3rd. Another driver who could have performed better had it been for other circumstances.

I must admit there was a loud cheer in our household when JV's BMW blew up also !!! Yes I am still a grumpy about how BMW treated Williams in the later half of 2005 :mad: !!!

Mark drove well but unfortunately we didn't see much of it so it's hard to tell if he was pushed or if he just sustained his buffer over 7th & cruised.....

Alas, F1 is back and all is well with the world again :)

wayno

13-03-2006, 04:36 AM

Nico Rosberg, you have arrived! :cool:
Great race. If we see more like that for this year I will be a happy man.
Also, no mention of qualifying for nest week in the tv guide in the Sunday Herald-Sun.:mad:

inter

13-03-2006, 04:46 AM

I thought I did?
What part is still hazy for you?
I will endeavour to make it even clearer for you, if that would be of any help.
I am a wee bit perplexed that my outburst of joy has a meaning at all to anybody, just a bit of posthoaring, notting serious.Other than a victory by FORD at the mountain, so I can have a beer with Wayno in peace and tranquility,............ Ahhh the thought of that.
I feel like Big KEV!

i was being sarcastic, just don't know how to attach the little faces yet?

inter

xa351gt

13-03-2006, 09:12 AM

Wow , that was a great race. Not the result I hoped for with the RED BARON coming in second :( ,but a excellant arce to watch non the less. Lots of food for thought, 1. If Kimi ever starts near the front who can catch him? 2. Great to see Webber get a decent result.2.a. Remember when everyone said Williams was gonna be in trouble without a factory engine deal? I know it's early yet .but Cosworth definately has got game. 3. Nico Rosberg IS the real deal . How good will this kid be ? 4. Thank god somebody woke up and let them change tires again. Now that the tire handicap is gone we should be in for a great season of racing

biante4321

13-03-2006, 09:17 AM

yea roseborg was sick, but i hated how crompton was talking so much and they didnt have the ITV who knew what was going on, i dont mind crompton but i would rather listen to ITV crew instead

spoonster05

13-03-2006, 09:29 AM

Great first race for the season, looks like Webber may get pushed along this year by Rosberg so Williams may do better this year.

MarkHM

13-03-2006, 10:51 AM

Best GP for a long time...it was the first-time I'd seen qualifying for 6 years, and what a great way to start. MS for 8!!

ferrari fan

13-03-2006, 11:18 AM

ITV James Allen is pathetic and very annoying.
ITV Martin Brundle is sensational and VERY informative.
Ch.10 Neil Chrompton is exelent.
Ch. 10 the other one is the opposite to Neil and on par with James Knowallnottin.

Kim was on a different stratergie then the front runners, he drove hard, but without the data it is hard to see if he is that much faster.
The post interview of Kimmi was woefull, no emotion, no expression, someone in McLaren needs to coach him.
Great race, great spectacle and already intriguing rumours floating around.
Dennis has stated that if Kimmi wants to leave, he can.
Monty is also believed to have been talking and is linked with Toyota.
I for one would not be suprised to see either one or both ending up there.
With all the $$ being spend there, something will make it faster somehow.

ferrari fan

13-03-2006, 11:36 AM

Here a pic to give you a taste of what the model is like.
Red Bull Racing Cosworth RB1 D. Coulthard 2005

And the Jordan with Nigel Mansell as the driver in London, just before the GB GP

wayno

13-03-2006, 01:24 PM

Great effort from Rosberg to set fastest lap of the race, but the top 11 drivers fastest laps were within a second of each other! :eek:
This augers well for an excellent season I think. Weather conditions may be interesting next week.
Once again temperatures were well down for what was expected. If it's hot next week-end it will be interesting to see how good the Bridgestones are. Michelin have always seemed to have an advantage in hotter conditions from memory. If it's hot in Malaysia we'll be able to see if they've overcome this.
Hope my tv guide is wrong. I REALLY want to see qualifying again! :(

wayno

13-03-2006, 01:32 PM

Here a pic to give you a taste of what the model is like.
Red Bull Racing Cosworth RB1 D. Coulthard 2005

And the Jordan with Nigel Mansell as the driver in London, just before the GB GP

The Red Bull car looks sensational Bert. Is that the show car?
I'll definately be getting one of these now I've expanded my f1 interests, but will wait for the race version.
Thanks for sharing.

ferrari fan

13-03-2006, 03:49 PM

Found this in Target.
It is a game and the modelcar drives in circles and getts charged with a plug on the side,
Called the Pits stop challenge.
Was $35 and will make a beaut diorama.
Also found a remote contrlled model of a Ferrari 1/24 scale with a Watch type controller for the same $$

REDVRSS

13-03-2006, 04:31 PM

Sensational start to the season. Good Solid result from our Mark.
Nico is the real deal but 1 race doesnt maketh a champion.

good to see 22 cars on the grid! but they could try a few more colours... the cars paint look so similar its not funny. even brundle was getting the Williams confused with the BMW.

A grid of Blue/White, Red/White or red/Silver.... just like the supercar grid will be all orange... :)

biante4321

13-03-2006, 06:40 PM

[QUOTE=ferrari fan]ITV James Allen is pathetic and very annoying.
ITV Martin Brundle is sensational and VERY informative.
Ch.10 Neil Chrompton is exelent.
Ch. 10 the other one is the opposite to Neil and on par with James Knowallnottin.
yea i agree with ya, Brundle is the senstaional and that james allen isnt that bad, does carry on with some crap but so does crompo.

Cant wait till wait week at malaysia, is always a great race and a really hard track, but the best thing is that the Australian grand prix is under 3 weeks away

wayno

14-03-2006, 04:54 AM

brchi17

14-03-2006, 06:35 PM

David Coulthard will have to endure a 10 spot grid penalty in Malaysia. His Ferrari engine suffered a problem after the checkered flag and will need to be replaced before this week-end.
With Klein starting to show some promise this will put DC under some pressure on Sunday.

At least we now know why he'd stopped on the cool down lap - at least he didn't run out of petrol & luckily it wasn't in Brazil as his car wouldn't be able to start next week for all the missing pieces !!!

As for qualifying, I can't seem to find any information for it & I have been unable to find an email address for ch10. either, if anyone gets an email address, perhaps they should post it so that we can let them know how good it was to watch qualifying and why we need it for every round of the championship.

cheers. :)

wayno

14-03-2006, 06:44 PM

Television:rpm@networkten.com.au

Try this one. I have! :D

brchi17

14-03-2006, 07:09 PM

Television:rpm@networkten.com.au

Try this one. I have! :D

Thanks pal, an email has been sent ;)

stirlf1

14-03-2006, 07:32 PM

Hi guys,

I sent an email to RPM yesterday to confirm that the Bahrain qly telecast was a one off, and recieved this response...

Thanks for your email.

We will be broadcasting F1 qualifying again in Australia, but for the other rounds RPM will now increase our commitment by airing more qualifying content and vision within our program.

Kind Regards

The RPM Team
www.rpmlive.tv

Really dissapointed as I was really looking forward to watching qly this year. :mad:

brchi17

14-03-2006, 07:59 PM

Hi guys,

I sent an email to RPM yesterday to confirm that the Bahrain qly telecast was a one off, and recieved this response...

Really dissapointed as I was really looking forward to watching qly this year. :mad:

Perhaps if they get a lot of requests for it then perhaps they might change their view ???

cheers. :)

wayno

15-03-2006, 12:24 PM

Fuji to host the Japanese gp from 2007 according to ITV.com. A second gp in Japan anyone? I can't see Honda taking this lying down.

The Japanese Grand Prix will move from the Honda-owned Suzuka track to Toyota’s Fuji International Speedway in 2007.
The Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper was informed by Bernie Ecclestone last Friday that Fuji has secured a multi-year contract to host the country’s grand prix.
The race has been held at Suzuka since 1987, but Fuji staged Japan’s first two world championship grands prix in 1976 and 1977.
Since being bought by Toyota in 2000 the facility has undergone a $168 million investment programme.
The news will be met with caution by many Formula 1 drivers and fans, since Suzuka is widely regarded as one of the world’s most challenging circuits.
But Ecclestone has apparently thrown Suzuka a lifeline by holding out the possibility of a second Japanese race, which would likely be badged the Pacific or Asian GP.
Suzuka president Ikuo Shimizu attended the Bahrain GP for contract talks with Ecclestone and confirmed that he will continue negotiations.
“I’m not surprised at all because I had heard the rumour [that Fuji would win the Japanese GP contract],” he said.
“I’m going to keep on negotiating.”

brchi17

15-03-2006, 03:01 PM

Unless I'm very much mistaken

Murray Walker to call the Australian GP on ch10. :D !!!

how good is this :D !!!

wayno

16-03-2006, 01:57 AM

Unless I'm very much mistaken

Murray Walker to call the Australian GP on ch10. :D !!!

how good is this :D !!!

Big shock, but a very welcome one!

wayno

16-03-2006, 02:10 AM

10 spot penalty for Massa as well. Ferrari have a few issues with his engine and will replace it for Malaysia.

biante4321

16-03-2006, 05:57 AM

yea finally the legend is back Murray walker, but ill hav to get my mum to tape the race while im down there to watch it, just wish that he was back full time but its good to see him back

stirlf1

16-03-2006, 01:47 PM

Found this:

Murray Walker has turned down an offer to 'call' the Australian GP in Melbourne next month.

The legendary British commentator, who retired from F1 in 2001 at the age of seventy seven, will return to many grand prix paddocks this year as an ambassador for Honda.

But, when asked by Australia's channel '10' to call the 2006 event, Walker said 'no'.

'While we respect Murray's decision, he will be dropping by the commentary box for a couple of practice sessions,' said executive producer Scott Young.

Walker, 82, will also do a pre-race grid walk.

http://www.homeofsport.com/f1/news/item.aspx?id=14 956

Holden2003

16-03-2006, 02:06 PM

I am not suprised that Murray is coming down to Melbourne, as he has stated many times that Australia is his favourite country. I wouldn't expect him though to commentate for just the Grand prix, as he had a very emotional farewell in Indinapolis 2001 (1st Sport event After September 11 in US, read his auto biography for more). Even though his honda duties start in Europe, he will probably do some work for them in Melbourne.

1 Has a feeling that Honda recruiting walker is due to Simon Fuller's (Idol Creater) entertainment group now running PR for Honda.

Andrew

16-03-2006, 04:20 PM

Sorry to get in late for the post-race chat, but gee, I am gutted at how slow and terrible Toyota were.
Apart from that personal disappointment, the race was fantastic, we have a buzzing season ahead, and Nico Rosberg....well, what can you say. To do what he did in the first race was nothing short of incredible.

wayno

16-03-2006, 04:39 PM

Don't get too concerned just yet Andrew. They have major resources behind them and can right whatever their problem is I think.
I think the tyres have upset their apple cart a little and I still have an issue with their driving line up.
I hope they can get to the front. At this early stage it looks like being very competitive, and another team up the front would be very welcome!

spoonster05

16-03-2006, 04:50 PM

There's no doubt in my mind that Toyota will fix whatever the current issues are with the cars and get back up the sharp end of the grid and to have another couple of cars battling for podium spots this season will be even better.

This is the first year in ages I've been so enthuastic about the F1 season, hopefully the first race was just the beginning of a great season..

Leigh

17-03-2006, 11:43 AM

Does anybody have access to the live timing for the first session that is happening right now?

Robert Murphy

17-03-2006, 11:55 AM

try www.f1live.com
Rob

Leigh

17-03-2006, 12:22 PM

Thanks Robert

wayno

17-03-2006, 12:58 PM

Second session starts at 5pm Melbourne time today.

brchi17

17-03-2006, 02:14 PM

Does anybody have access to the live timing for the first session that is happening right now?

Leigh, I use this one http://www.formula1.com mainly because it's free, plus all you need is java on your pc to watch it :)

wayno

17-03-2006, 02:39 PM

Interesting how our predictions have dried up since f1 became the finishline choice! :D

lukey73

17-03-2006, 05:53 PM

Interesting how our predictions have dried up since f1 became the finishline choice! :D

Same top 3 for me with Webber/rosberg an outside chance at an upset podium spot, dont think kimi's luck will get any better just yet.

Luke

Chev_350

18-03-2006, 12:40 PM

Seems Pepsi is intrested in buying Red Bull (the company, not the race teams) for over $8 Billion and one Mateschitz's partner is serious about the offer, however it is said that a condition of offer is that motorsport sponsorship must stop

wayno

18-03-2006, 02:02 PM

Final session starts in six minutes. Will have to watch online since 10 stiffed us! :mad:

Tumbo

18-03-2006, 03:11 PM

Final grid:

top 10
Fisi
Button
Rosberg
Schumacher
Webber
Montoya
Raikkonen
Alonso
Klien
R Schumacher

Holden2003

18-03-2006, 03:29 PM

Here I have composed a final grid after penalties have been applied. From my understanding of the rules, if you swap an engine before qualifying its a 10 spot penalty and if you swap an engine after qualifying, which Ralf looks like having to do, its automatically to the back of the grid. Here is a before and after of the grid:

Grid - Before Penalties
1 Fisichella
2 Button
3 Rosberg
4 M Schumacher
5 Webber
6 Montoya
7 Raikkonen
8 Alonso
9 Klien
10 R Schumacher
----------------
11 Coulthard
12 Barrichello
13 Trulli
14 Villeneuve
15 Heidfeld
16 Massa
----------------
17 Speed
18 Liuzzi
19 Albers
20 Moterio
21 Sato
22 Ide

After Penalties
1 Fisichella
2 Button
3 Rosberg
4 Webber
5 Montoya
6 Raikkonen
7 Alonso
8 Klien
9 Trulli (Free fuel strategy)
10 Villeneuve (Free Fuel Strategy)
11 Heidfeld
12 Speed
13 Liuzzi
14 M Schumacher (Engine before Qualifying, fuel strategy set)
15 Albers
16 Monterio
17 Sato
18 Ide
19 Coulthard (Engine Before Qualifying)
20 Barrichello (Engine Before Qualifying)
21 Massa (2 Engines before Qualifying)
22 R Schumacher (Engine replaced after qualifying, Fuel strategy set????)

The interesting thing is that Trulli and Villeneuve have free fuel strategies, while the other 8 are set on fuel for the race. Also Michael is set in 14th, and is ralf set on fuel?

Chev_350

18-03-2006, 04:43 PM

oh the Williams pair on th second row...looks very good

when is the race on TV?

spoonster05

18-03-2006, 05:31 PM

10:30pm on Channel 10 tomorrow night.

Looks good for Williams, hopefully another close race again..

Chriso

18-03-2006, 05:56 PM

The reliability factor of Cosworth is looking good. Great start for the Williams Team. I know its early but I really hope for Mark's sake (and ours of course) that he can keep the pointy end placing's up. Go Webber!!!. Rosberg couldn't ask for a better start, great race & speed last week and up on his team mate this week.

Go Scott Speed!!!..... what a great name for a racer :)

He's scott speed....or has he :D

Holden2003

18-03-2006, 06:02 PM

10:30pm on Channel 10 tomorrow night.

Looks good for Williams, hopefully another close race again..

Not happy with that as the race could well be live into perth as we are in the same timezone as Sepang. If there wasn't daylight savings in the eastern states, it might of been put live (5pm start with daylight savings, 4pm without EST)

Leigh

19-03-2006, 08:02 AM

The interesting thing is that Trulli and Villeneuve have free fuel strategies, while the other 8 are set on fuel for the race. Also Michael is set in 14th, and is ralf set on fuel?
What are you talking about with this fuel strategy thing? I see you mention it with a few of the drivers...

ferrari fan

19-03-2006, 10:16 AM

The reliability could well be a deceiding factor, as this 2 races plus all the practice-Qalifying laps does stressed the hell out of these buzz boxes.
To be the winner, you have to finnish first.

Holden2003

19-03-2006, 10:26 AM

What are you talking about with this fuel strategy thing? I see you mention it with a few of the drivers...

The final top 10 in qualifying have to start the final phase of qualifying with race fuel on board. They have been set on to a fuel strategy for the race already. The reason i put the notes to next to some of the drivers is that 2 drivers will now start in the top due to engine penalties without making it into the top 10 qualifying and hence, not be on a pre set fuel strategy, while the top 8 are already on fuel.

Michael has been set onto a fuel strategy as he made it into the top 10 for qualifying, so how is that going to disadvanatge him? I am not sure if Ralf is on a set fuel strategy as his car blew up even though he made it onto fuel strategy.

Overall, i put those notes as the guys who are 9th and 10th now have a slight advantage of being in the top 10 as they are able to dictate their race strategy while the others in the top 10 cannot change theirs and that Michael and Ralf Schumacher will/may have to race in lower race positions with pre set fuel strategies around guys who can change theirs.

Felippe Massa made the comment that he did not attempt to get in the top 10 so that he could dictate his fuel strategy.

brchi17

20-03-2006, 09:25 AM

The reliability factor of Cosworth is looking good. Great start for the Williams Team. I know its early but I really hope for Mark's sake (and ours of course) that he can keep the pointy end placing's up

All very true, if only a Grand Prix was a 5 lap sprint then both of them would have done quite well :D LOL !!!

As for the start, what was Nico thinking :rolleyes: ???

I wonder if he knew that while he was squeezing his team mate off the line that he gave the follow Alonso the racing line to zoom right past them :rolleyes:

I know the kid's only new & considering the champion in waiting he appears to be, I bet we don't see a repeat of this again.

By the way, did JPM's McLaren have some troubles or is he starting to look a little out of his league. He appeared to have a touch of the Truilies in the race where he was there for the start & finish, but lost the plot during the middle.

cheers. :)

VXfan

20-03-2006, 10:16 AM

According to the 'Today' show this morning,Mika Hakkinen came 4th last night!:confused: Nothing like a bit of research eh?:D
Rosberg seriously lost the plot at the start.Can't see how trying to put ur teammate in the wall is any kind of team order(silly boy)
Cheers,
Tony.
P.S. another 0 points for me in the Finishline comp.:rolleyes:

MarkHM

20-03-2006, 10:26 AM

Not happy with that as the race could well be live into perth as we are in the same timezone as Sepang. If there wasn't daylight savings in the eastern states, it might of been put live (5pm start with daylight savings, 4pm without EST)

I bloody near missed it, used to our delayed coverage of "local" races, just happened to be surfing and found it about to start.

xa351gt

20-03-2006, 11:08 AM

wayno

20-03-2006, 12:53 PM

Well done to Fisichella. Maybe it's finally sunk in that he's racing for his future now.
Nico Rosberg needs to be hauled over the coals for his antics. I know he's new, but you don't do that to your team mate.
Seems everyone will be playing catch up to the Renaults like they were last season. Kimi must be about as unlucky a driver as you can get.

Leigh

20-03-2006, 12:59 PM

Kimi must be about as unlucky a driver as you can get.
As was said on last nights telecast, Williams fuels for grid position, McLaren fuels for the race...to combine this with Perkins famous saying "to finish first, first you must finish" then I think there was no bad luck at all, just bad tactics...

Cheers

ferrari fan

20-03-2006, 01:04 PM

Keke was also a nutcase on the track in his racing day's.
He should be made to drive the transporter for the next few races only as a punishment.

wayno

20-03-2006, 01:06 PM

By the way, did JPM's McLaren have some troubles or is he starting to look a little out of his league. He appeared to have a touch of the Truilies in the race where he was there for the start & finish, but lost the plot during the middle.

cheers. :)

According to JPM they were running with less wing to preserve the engine, but I suppose in truth we'll never know!
Encouraging run from Button, but the car still seems to have problems after a pit stop time wise.

brchi17

20-03-2006, 02:32 PM

According to JPM they were running with less wing to preserve the engine, but I suppose in truth we'll never know!
Encouraging run from Button, but the car still seems to have problems after a pit stop time wise.

Sorry pal, but how does less wing make life better for the engine :confused: ???

Wouldn't that put more stress on it as it would allow the engine to push the car faster down the straights of which there are a few at this track.....???

To be honest I'm not all that sure from the comments last night that McLaren want JPM to succeed. As it was said that the team prefer to keep Kimi to drive with Alonso.

I'd almost go out on a limb to say that it's now Championship Over & #2 for Alonso !!!

cheers :) .

lukey73

20-03-2006, 03:25 PM

Sorry pal, but how does less wing make life better for the engine :confused: ???

Wouldn't that put more stress on it as it would allow the engine to push the car faster down the straights of which there are a few at this track.....???

To be honest I'm not all that sure from the comments last night that McLaren want JPM to succeed. As it was said that the team prefer to keep Kimi to drive with Alonso.

I'd almost go out on a limb to say that it's now Championship Over & #2 for Alonso !!!

cheers :) .

Brad

Less wing equals less drag so the engine doesnt have to "push" as hard against the downforce. It would make the corner speed of the car lower but give it a slighty higher tops speed with less effort.

Luke

wayno

20-03-2006, 03:56 PM

I'm wondering if there's more to the JPM thing than we're being told. He's been linked in rumours to both Red Bull and Toyota, teams that desperately need a top line driver in my opinion and would be willing to pay handsomely for the privelege.
Kimi and Alonso at McLaren would be fantastic, but McLaren could very well find themselves in the situation of BOTH their drivers changing camps come the end of the season.
I'm wondering if Ron Dennis (who love him or hate him is a smart operator) is looking to pump Lewis Hamilton into an f1 drive?

Holden2003

20-03-2006, 06:11 PM

I think F1 should suspend the 2 race per engine deal until these engines can get the relibility up. It is going to screw up every second race at the current rate. The 1st race of the year was great ,2nd race was okay. I'd like to see guys be able to run all out and not have to hold back so that they race the next week without being penalized or blow up during the race.Here in the states we get to watch friday practice the only guys who went out were the 3rd drivers for the teams that are allowwed to have them. No one else went out as to not put any extra miles on their fragile engines.

I dont think the regulations of 2 rounds per engine are wrong, its more of how the teams are using or in this case abusing them. They had a choice, to either cut down power for reliablilty (what Mr Mossley wanted) or to cut mileage and run stronger engines, for more speed (The sensible approach to WINNING).

If the F1 teams continue to do the latter, maybe we should bring back free engines. With so many blowups, how many engines have been saved? Also fans want to see action, through the weekend. Rules should be placed that should help the people who fund the sport.

wayno

20-03-2006, 07:42 PM

Rules are rules. It doesn't seem to be upsetting Renault that much.

wayno

20-03-2006, 07:45 PM

If anyone taped the race I would be interested in a copy. I stuffed up last night! :mad:

brchi17

20-03-2006, 07:46 PM

I dont think the regulations of 2 rounds per engine are wrong, its more of how the teams are using or in this case abusing them. They had a choice, to either cut down power for reliablilty (what Mr Mossley wanted) or to cut mileage and run stronger engines, for more speed (The sensible approach to WINNING).

If the F1 teams continue to do the latter, maybe we should bring back free engines. With so many blowups, how many engines have been saved? Also fans want to see action, through the weekend. Rules should be placed that should help the people who fund the sport.

With what we've seen from the past two races why would you want to pay out all that money to attend on the Friday of a GP ???

To be honest, knowing that none of the main players would be out there for more than a one lap or two is enough to make me not bother about attending & saving the $$$ for Saturday instead.

cheers. :)

wayno

20-03-2006, 07:51 PM

As I said earlier in the thread, what chance of a two day gp week end in the very near future?

brchi17

20-03-2006, 07:57 PM

As I said earlier in the thread, what chance of a two day gp week end in the very near future?

I know you did, but the amount of driving we see on a Friday is why I'll save my $$$ & not attend.

I'd be happy to cut the GP's back a day & make a free for all in the engine department as I'd suggest that making an engine to last for two Gp's is no cheaper then making one to go extra fast for one.

cheers. :)

xa351gt

20-03-2006, 09:39 PM

I'd be happy to cut the GP's back a day & make a free for all in the engine department as I'd suggest that making an engine to last for two Gp's is no cheaper then making one to go extra fast for one.

cheers. :)

Exactly, how cheap is it to keep replacing entire engine blocks when they detenate into a thousand bits. The whole idea was to save the teams money wasn't it? These cars are sprinters not enduros. that is why they have the two hour, 200 mile maximum limit to each grand prix.

Leigh

21-03-2006, 06:20 AM

Can somebody tell me exactly how many engines blew in the race? I think you will find that there were more that retired from other issues...

Leigh

21-03-2006, 06:22 AM

Exactly, how cheap is it to keep replacing entire engine blocks when they detenate into a thousand bits. The whole idea was to save the teams money wasn't it? These cars are sprinters not enduros. that is why they have the two hour, 200 mile maximum limit to each grand prix.
Ummm, once they hit there two race life, they are scrapped anyway!

They used to be scapped every race, although in reality they'd go through several engines each race through qualifying, practice, testing and actual race!

Cheers

brchi17

21-03-2006, 11:35 AM

Can somebody tell me exactly how many engines blew in the race? I think you will find that there were more that retired from other issues...

while the governing bodies are handing out 10 grid place penalties for engine failures, of course they are going to list other items as the cause.

cheers. :)

wayno

21-03-2006, 12:51 PM

Alonso, Trulli, Montoya, Button, Albers, Monteiro and Sato have all gone the two week end distance on the same engine from the V8 runners.

brchi17

21-03-2006, 01:04 PM

Alonso, Trulli, Montoya, Button, Albers, Monteiro and Sato have all gone the two week end distance on the same engine from the V8 runners.

So we had seven from twenty two drivers who lasted the two races which is what about 31% of the field. Meaning that more than two thirds struggled to make it & some had more than one engine change. So does this mean it's a cheaper alternative.......I severely doubt it. And let's not forget all the extra expense this year for R&D of the new V8 engine :rolleyes:

Also, while we're thinking about rule changes, why not scrap the current qualifying system and return it to the tired and tested one hour long session, with the fast car winning. None of this starting fuel load crap, just pure out and out lap speed, fastest car gets the pole !!!

cheers. :)

Leigh

21-03-2006, 01:37 PM

while the governing bodies are handing out 10 grid place penalties for engine failures, of course they are going to list other items as the cause.

cheers. :)
The penalty applies to replacing the engine, not to engine failures par sai...

So if they change the engine, they get the penalty.

AFAIU, the penalty would not apply to either Williams for example as you are allowed to change the engine every second race...

So I again ask, exactly how many blew?

Cheers

wayno

21-03-2006, 01:38 PM

Reliability is not real good, but what can you do? Also, remember two of the cars are running limited V10's and I didn't include them.
The old format one hour session would be much better. Me thinks this one has been designed with commercial breaks in mind.

lukey73

21-03-2006, 04:41 PM

The old format one hour session would be much better. Me thinks this one has been designed with commercial breaks in mind.

Come one Wayno are saying that the FIA and Bernie have done something that will beneift the TV rights holders and make them more likely to stay also to pay more money for the next round of TV rights!

No dont say its true, Bernie does everything he can for the teams and not his own financial benefit! :eek:

Luke

Holden2003

21-03-2006, 07:10 PM

Also, while we're thinking about rule changes, why not scrap the current qualifying system and return it to the tired and tested one hour long session, with the fast car winning. None of this starting fuel load crap, just pure out and out lap speed, fastest car gets the pole !!!

cheers. :)

Cmon mate the new qualifying, bar 17 of the last 20 mins in the final session is great. 1 lap qualifying on paper seems edgy but its not. This format makes the whole hour seem exciting to watch (pending changes to the last session), unlike the hourlong 12 lap session which may not see cars for ages. It leaves room for nail biting moments like raikonens failure causing chaos to all the teams in qualifying, and Ralf failure affecting his position.

1 Lap qualifying is boring to a fan who cannot see the technicalites of driving like when they brake, turn and accelarate relative to other drivers. It does lead to the best being on grid, but remember they did start with more then race fuel in it as they had no fuel 'credits'.

Just tweak the final phase of qualifying to free fuel load and it will be great. Only problem is that it conflicts with Parc Ferme conditions, so should they be scrapped. Of course if they are scrapped it means engine changes, which means we should go back to 2002 conditions of spiralling costs and entertaining driving (as it should be!!!)

Holden2003

21-03-2006, 07:15 PM

Me thinks this one has been designed with commercial breaks in mind.

This is not new to this year. The last qualifying systems (03-05) was designed with breaks too. There was a break after every 5 cars went out on track. The V8s go on breaks too after 3 cars in the shootout. How else can we afford to see f1 on tv???

xa351gt

21-03-2006, 09:40 PM

The old qualifying session might as well only been 10 minutes long because that was when most of the cars went out and then screwed up each others hot lap. I didn't mind the single car qualifying and this new system is okay . It's only been 2 races so I think it at least needs a fair chance

Holden2003

23-03-2006, 12:16 PM

Alonso, Trulli, Montoya, Button, Albers, Monteiro and Sato have all gone the two week end distance on the same engine from the V8 runners.

You probably could add Raikkonen to that list. Of course we cannot know for sure if he would of lasted through Malaysia but it probably would of. His car had 2 suspension failures, one on its own and the other with help from Klien.

Still thats a weak looking list,but lets wait and see what Melbourne and Imola are going to be. They aren't so tough as Bahrain and Sepang.

wayno

24-03-2006, 07:21 PM

From itv.com

A three-year freeze on engine design, a move to a single tyre supplier and the replacement of 10-place grid penalties were among the new rules approved by the FIA World Motor Sport Council on Wednesday.
The WMSC met in Paris to ratify a new set of sporting regulations that will take effect from 2008.
Many of the reforms have been on the table for some time; the principle of a single tyre supplier, for example, was agreed at the previous WMSC meeting in December, which set out the basis for the 2008 technical regulations.
But the engine freeze is a radical – and controversial – change.
It was one of the issues about which the Grand Prix Manufacturers Association expressed concern in the letter it sent to FIA president Max Mosley on Tuesday night.
The GPMA’s 11th-hour attempt to delay ratification of some of the proposed changes pending further discussion fell on deaf ears.
The new engine rules will require teams to submit their designs for homologation by 1 June.
The specification will then be frozen and only FIA-approved modifications will be permitted.
The measure is a central plank of Mosley’s cost-cutting programme but – although proposed by GPMA member Renault – it is not popular with most of the manufacturer teams.
They fear it will undermine F1’s status as the pinnacle of technology and also that the three-year cycle will cause instability in their staffing arrangements.
Other changes approved by the WMSC include a mandatory testing limit of 30,000km (18,600 miles) per team per year, a ban on spare cars and a requirement for gearboxes to last four races.
The move back to a single tyre supplier will be accompanied by a return to slicks and a ban on tyre-warming blankets.
And instead of the current 10-place grid relegations, changing an engine before the end of its two-year cycle will attract a 15kg weight penalty.
The requirement for new teams to lodge a $48 million deposit with the FIA has also been dropped, while the WMSC held open the possibility of a 20-race calendar in future.

Freeze engine design in f1? Don't get me started! :mad:

MarkHM

25-03-2006, 03:37 AM

Max is just as bigger idiot as his predecessor (the Frog), let's dumb it down again and homologate Volvo engines only.

Leigh

25-03-2006, 06:41 AM

What exactly does "freeze engine design" mean? It is definately not the same as the previous statement of "freeze engine development/design"...

Given the experience with Production Car racing and V8 Supercars etc where the engine design is frozen, and strict regulations pertail to the bolt on accesories, this may not reduce costs at all, as small tweaks usually cost more...

I do however like the return to slicks!

Cheers

brchi17

25-03-2006, 07:25 AM

I wonder if the freeze engine design just means that they'll keep the 2.4Lt V8 for the next 3 years ???

I also question how making items to last longer will be cheaper cost wise for the teams than the current replace when required method ???

Also I agree with Leigh, bring back slicks :mad: !!!!

cheers.:)

wayno

25-03-2006, 08:28 AM

I hope that's what it will end up meaning brad, but at the moment Mosley wants them to homologate an engine and then only FIA approved mods will be allowed. This could have massive implications for the sport.
What if a manufacturer gets it fundamentally wrong? They will have to make do with an engine that's not competitive for three years. Does anyone really think a manufacturer will stay in the sport to run at the back in the hope they get it right 'next time'?
I seriously doubt it.
F1 has always been at the cutting edge. It's a fundamental element of what makes the sport what it is and should not be taken away.
There are some good points in the proposed regulations, but hopefully the manufacturers can band together and get this silly engine rule changed.

wayno

25-03-2006, 08:35 AM

Also, Williams chief designer Jorg Zander has left the team for 'personal reasons'.

brchi17

25-03-2006, 09:04 PM

......What if a manufacturer gets it fundamentally wrong?...........Does anyone really think a manufacturer will stay in the sport to run at the back in the hope they get it right 'next time'?
I seriously doubt it......

I know it's not Formula 1, but Ford and the Au Falcon came to mind when I read what you wrote above :D LOL :D LOL :D LOL :D LOL !!!

brchi17

25-03-2006, 09:08 PM

Speaking of Formula 1, I read a rumor on the net somewhere of the Williams mechanics sending a picture of Villeneuve's BMW-Sauber on fire to BWM management with the caption under it saying;

Chassis on fire - Engine ok !!!

Very funny :D LOL !!!

BILLFORD1

25-03-2006, 11:24 PM

Better buy the buggers cameras for their birthdays so they can take a few photos of the Williams chassis fires in R2 !!! :D

spoonster05

26-03-2006, 07:34 PM

Also, Williams chief designer Jorg Zander has left the team for 'personal reasons'.

Maybe gardening leave before joining BMW ?

wayno

28-03-2006, 06:02 AM

Leigh

28-03-2006, 06:16 AM

The five 'rebel' teams in f1 have signed up for the world championship from 2008 onwards.
This pretty much rules out a break-away series now and it seems Max's move to exclude teams that hadn't signed on by the end of March has worked.
At least now the manufacturers will get to have a say in how the new regulations will look. I'm expecting things to get quite heated over some of the points when the talks start in earnest.
Quite simply, the five year engine freeze has to go.
One of the aims of the GPMA is to have a large say on the series, and make it fairer for all...

Now that the GPMA have signed up to the series post Concorde, it makes it very difficult for the FIA to do anything without their support.

wayno

28-03-2006, 09:25 PM

Autosport are saying that Paul Staddart is submitting a Minardi entry for the 2008 season.
Bet Max is pleased! :D

Holden2003

28-03-2006, 09:54 PM

The five 'rebel' teams in f1 have signed up for the world championship from 2008 onwards.
This pretty much rules out a break-away series now and it seems Max's move to exclude teams that hadn't signed on by the end of March has worked.
At least now the manufacturers will get to have a say in how the new regulations will look. I'm expecting things to get quite heated over some of the points when the talks start in earnest.
Quite simply, the five year engine freeze has to go.

Bernie Eccelstone remaining 25% stake (Only 25%!!! Seems like 125%. Yes I do know about the banks inheriting Kirch's 75% stake) has been bought by bought by CVC capital partners. This is in relation to all the teams agreeing to F1 beyond 2008. Bernie will still run it though. CVC have now bought Bernie's Stake as well as BayernLB and now have a controlling interest.

brchi17

29-03-2006, 08:12 PM

Autosport are saying that Paul Staddart is submitting a Minardi entry for the 2008 season.
Bet Max is pleased! :D

This could be a masters stroke of genius as he's sold his team for mega bucks & now they've slash the entry fee to what he could consider loose change.

Sounds like a financial win, win & F1 regains one of it's personalities.

cheers. :)

Holden2003

29-03-2006, 08:20 PM

The Australian GP may be in jeopardy. The exemption of Tobacco advertising for the Aus GP ends this year so Renault and Ferrari, the only manufacturers to continue advertising next year would not be able to advertise. Bernie is saying that is breach on contract while Ron Walker is so concerned. See ITV for more.

brchi17

29-03-2006, 08:31 PM

I might be way, way, way off the mark, but wasn't all this tobacco advertising supposedly banned around the middle of last year, or was that just for within Europe :confused: ???

I always thought that it was the main reason for BAR & West withdrawing from F1 when they did :confused: ???

cheers. :)

Chev_350

29-03-2006, 08:46 PM

wayno

29-03-2006, 08:52 PM

I think it was voluntary in Europe last year and the teams decided to abide by it. It will be interesting to see how Ferrari go next year as their tobacco sponsor is staying. Branding will be illegal in all European races and in most other countries.
Be interesting to see what happens with the asian and middle eastern countries as I don't think they've signed up for that agreement.

stephenhrt

29-03-2006, 08:58 PM

Canada banned tobacco advertising a few years ago. They still have a GP.

Why is bernie being a tool threatening us? Maybe more pressure from Ferrari.

wayno

29-03-2006, 09:00 PM

Germany hasn't had tobacco advertising since the early to mid seventies, maybe earlier.

wayno

29-03-2006, 09:22 PM

It seems Ferrari have made modifications to it's wings for Melbourne in the wake of the 'flexible' wing controvesy.
With cooler weather being predicted I will be very interested to see how the Bridgestone runners go.

Leigh

29-03-2006, 09:26 PM

Canada banned tobacco advertising a few years ago. They still have a GP.

Why is bernie being a tool threatening us? Maybe more pressure from Ferrari.
It's called negotiation...

You start with something awful, then soften it...we'll end up with a GP, no tobacco advertising but WILL lose the opening round of the season...

wayno

29-03-2006, 09:38 PM

I think you're on the money there Leigh. Once Bernie starts throwing around comments about how poorly our race goes in tv ratings as an opener compared to Bahrain this year then the alarm bells start ringing.

brchi17

30-03-2006, 08:04 AM

It's called negotiation...

You start with something awful, then soften it...we'll end up with a GP, no tobacco advertising but WILL lose the opening round of the season...

It's hard not to think that if/when this happens, either they'll lose the V8's or it will be come a round of the series like Indy did (provided they give the V8's some more room to operate, plus allow them to sell their merchandise).

I must admit, weather wise, they either need to have it either end of the season, plus then it will still fit outside the European summer.

cheers. :)

Leigh

30-03-2006, 08:13 AM

It will never be a double headline...the V8's need their own on-track pitlane and the Vic Government won't give them that...likewise the F1's won't share.

Cheers

wayno

30-03-2006, 10:27 AM

It will never be a double headline...the V8's need their own on-track pitlane and the Vic Government won't give them that...likewise the F1's won't share.

Cheers

Have to agree. A great pity though as I think it would make an excellent round.
Even if everyone else agreed I doubt f1 would share billing. I'm sure at Indy V8's only got to the top of the bill because of the poor state of the cart series.

wayno

30-03-2006, 10:37 AM

brchi17

30-03-2006, 11:06 AM

Numerous sites are running with the story that McLaren have tried to sign Nico Rosberg from Williams for 2007.
If the denials from McLaren about Raikkonens future are true then why would they be looking for another driver?

Very true, perhaps they'd prefer a future champion in waiting (Nico) to learn from the existing champ ???

To be honest I think the rumor of Kimi leaving is starting to become a worst kept rumor, it's just we're not 100% as to where he's going for 06. I wonder if it could be a straight swap with Renault ???

cheers. :)