AMC 24 Magazine

[Buffalo]

Just picked up a copy of the new AMC Mag Issue 24 ... as usual its jam packed with good stuff but unfortunately it would seem that they are running out of muscle car stories as there seems to be a large amount of new car articles like "Wheels" or "Motor" ...

[VXfan]

Just picked up a copy of the new AMC Mag Issue 24 ... as usual its jam packed with good stuff but unfortunately it would seem that they are running out of muscle car stories as there seems to be a large amount of new car articles like "Wheels" or "Motor" ...
What's on the front cover this time?
Cheers,
Tony.

[Buffalo]

Two Jack Brabham XY GT Falcons .... One a street car sold through his old Bankstown Ford dealership and the other a Series Production race car replica that was originally driven by Barry Sharp that was sponsored by the Brabham Ford Dealership ..

[VXfan]

Two Jack Brabham XY GT Falcons .... One a street car sold through his old Bankstown Ford dealership and the other a Series Production race car replica that was originally driven by Barry Sharp that was sponsored by the Brabham Ford Dealership ..
Thanks mate.:)

[Maximus]

The two tone cars??? They look awsome.

[VXfan]

Interesting article on chassis HRT 043,better known as the 2003 Bathurst winner.I had no idea it started out as Lowndes 2000 car,Lowndes/Skaife 2000 Bathurst and Skaife 2001.
Now it sits in the Toll/HSV team workshop as a spare.
I really hope someone decides to restore it with the full Kmart warpaint and put it on display.Still the fastest car around Bathurst.
Anyone else agree?
Cheers,
Tony.

[Nick Short]

I was afraid that AMC was going to start running more stories on new release stickered-up XR8 limited editions and various new HSVs, and I hope they don't return to the flavour of Issue 1, which was a mix of classics and Street Machine type stuff - awful! But there is a limited supply of classic race cars to cover, and once you've done, say, the A9X in detail then you can't really do the A9X again, apart from as a "Readers' Cars" thing - a couple of pages on some bloke's pride and joy.

[wayno]

Interesting article on chassis HRT 043,better known as the 2003 Bathurst winner.I had no idea it started out as Lowndes 2000 car,Lowndes/Skaife 2000 Bathurst and Skaife 2001.
Now it sits in the Toll/HSV team workshop as a spare.
I really hope someone decides to restore it with the full Kmart warpaint and put it on display.Still the fastest car around Bathurst.
Anyone else agree?
Cheers,
Tony.

Definately. The 2003 car needs to be restored to "as raced" condition as it is certainly one of the more significant cars of the V8 era.
Then we have to hope it does not end up in the hands of a "collector" who only lets it potter around the odd race circuit at cruising speeds (if it's allowed outside at all).
These cars were built to RACE and that's what they should do.

[Hey Charger]

My feeling and it just be me, it seems to be running out of steam or seems stale of late...in the early issues from 3 to mid teens it was several great stories/articles and now it seems one main story with allot of fluff...hence should this mag go to a bi monthly or longer cycle?? Alternatively would a combo of Muscle Cars (racing pedigree not street machine garbage) covering local & possibly overseas icons that either made an impact here or overseas be the g.o (going with the muscle car angle here)...would going in depth on certain Classics ie history/development of the Ford XR, A9X, Chargers, Windsor Engine be another option to get it back being informative??

Just my two bobs worth

[Rob]

I really hope someone decides to restore it with the full Kmart warpaint and put it on display.Still the fastest car around Bathurst.
Anyone else agree?


As the guy who designed that war paint, I would love to see it back in it's
former glory and either put in the Bathurst Museum or my Garage.

[Richard Poole]

Sorry Rob, It's mine! One powerball.

[Rob]

How much do you want???

[Richard Poole]

How much do you want???

Bummer, didn't win powerball so 043 is still up for grabs Rob. 22mil next week though. Win that and I'll have a job for you restoring the '03 winner and I know where the '04 Spiderman car is as well.

Hey, you gotta dream.

[james]

Sorry but you will have to stand in line if my numbers come up ,LOVE to have the Murf/Kelly car would be the best 1/1 for any collector.

[XR8]

Yep, it should be restored, at least for the honour of holding the Bathurst lap record.
You won't see too many of those sorts of laps on ANY racetrack in your lifetime!
It was an awesome drive.

Ed :)

[inter]

My feeling and it just be me, it seems to be running out of steam or seems stale of late...in the early issues from 3 to mid teens it was several great stories/articles and now it seems one main story with allot of fluff...hence should this mag go to a bi monthly or longer cycle?? Alternatively would a combo of Muscle Cars (racing pedigree not street machine garbage) covering local & possibly overseas icons that either made an impact here or overseas be the g.o (going with the muscle car angle here)...would going in depth on certain Classics ie history/development of the Ford XR, A9X, Chargers, Windsor Engine be another option to get it back being informative??

Just my two bobs worth


it is not just you it is running out of steam.

inter

[Nick Short]

For the first time in 24 issues I'm not going to buy it, sadly. There is nothing in there of enough interest to me to fork out, although I am vaguely interested in the Brabham Fords (Sir Jack used to make Vauxhalls for the UK too).

[awawaw]

i brought it but i could of lived without it.
they are going to have to do features on cars like the serria's, nissan's, mazda's etc which they say they will be doing at some point.
there are still quite a few indervidual cars to do yet.

[ferrari fan]

Richy, just go downstairs, you lucky so and so.
some of us have to slave on remote minesites to earn a penny.
At least we all can have a 1/18- or 1/43 scale model of nearly all the winners.
Thanks for the efford you are putting in to do them right.

[sleepy]

i notice last couple of issues have had a couple of pages dedicated to trax and classic carlectables. i wonder do they pay for the space???

[Hey Charger]

For the first time in 24 issues I'm not going to buy it, sadly. There is nothing in there of enough interest to me to fork out, although I am vaguely interested in the Brabham Fords (Sir Jack used to make Vauxhalls for the UK too).

Had a quick look at the Mag over the weekend (didn’t buy it)...two points....1) I actually saw one of these Brabham Fords (but at the time I didn’t know what it was) as I was driving by, it was for sale and I thought that had to be the most unco color scheme that I had ever seen on a car!!!2) Pity they didn’t go further on the 351 engine in its various race incarnations

[Leigh]

I really hope someone decides to restore it with the full Kmart warpaint and put it on display.Still the fastest car around Bathurst.
Anyone else agree?
Cheers,
Tony.
Problem is, it will never be the same...it would have had the strut towers cut out to fit wishbones...:mad:

Likewise I wonder if they still have the original running gear etc...:(

Cheers

[biante11688]

Yeah IMO AMC should go to bi-monthly or even quarterly & keep it quality. they did look at old speed way, drags stuff as well but it seems they're running out of quality for monthly. or it could be monthly is just not enough time for them.

the name says Australian Muscle Car, maybe they should have called it APC (Australian Performance Car)

But really what is peoples perception of a Muscle Car ??????????

Steveo

[AmonFan]

Well i reckon they don't do enough research, i did email Mark a few times asking if he wanted any help ;). There are so many great Aussie Race cars around that would make for great reading. Tony Edmondsons Alfetta Chev is still around, the guy who owns it has another car that would make great reading ;).... There are the Corvairs, yes there were more than 1 ;)..... There are a few Formula 5000s in sheds, some restored, some not.....
The Bob Middleton Camaro would be another, long history going way and it used to be sponsored by Winston Cigarettes ;) im sounding old now....
I could go on hehe....... Funny thing is many of these people are easy to find, even the Gibson's have restored one of the Rennmax's....

[Nick Short]

I think they will have to risk upsetting the Australian readership, and expand their definition of what is an Australian Muscle Car beyond "something from Ford or Holden with a V8". I reckon they should push the boat out and include any significant car that raced in Australia, or by Australians, so that would include all sorts of other Bathurst entries, sports racers, maybe even things like Aussie Invader. Otherwise they've painted themselves into a corner by sticking to Falcons and Commodores.

Looking at the contents page of Issue 24 I saw a photo of the 1991 works VN Group A and thought "it's worth buying for an article on that", but then flicked through and found it was a one page article on how nobody knew where it was, illustrated with the same photo. A bit sneaky if you ask me....What next for Issue 25 - a big cover photo of Peter Brock in the '79 A9X, for an article on archive photos? Or Moffat's Cobra on the cover, for an article on Globe alloys?

[Leigh]

I think they will have to risk upsetting the Australian readership, and expand their definition of what is an Australian Muscle Car beyond "something from Ford or Holden with a V8". I reckon they should push the boat out and include any significant car that raced in Australia, or by Australians, so that would include all sorts of other Bathurst entries, sports racers, maybe even things like Aussie Invader. Otherwise they've painted themselves into a corner by sticking to Falcons and Commodores.

I think that if they change it, readership will fall and it will cease, if they keep it the same then as you say they paint themselves in a corner and cease to exist...either way, I can't see the magazine lasting too much longer:eek:

the name says Australian Muscle Car, maybe they should have called it APC (Australian Performance Car)
Didn't APC die a few years back (can't say I've seen it in the newsagents for some years)...used to compete directly with Street Machine...

EDIT: The magazine was/is Performance Street Car (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7012201928), even so, I think customers would get confused.

Cheers

[Dingo]

Every month I read it at the newsagents and leave it there. I enjoy reading up on some of the information, but frankly I'm not really interested in shelling out ten bucks a month for it. It's not because I don't like the magazine, I just don't buy any magazines anymore. They're not worth the money.

[GT40]

AMC is not a monthly publication. It satarted as a quarterly then a few years ago went bi-monthly.

I have all the issues and have read most of them more than once but I have to agree that issue #24 didn't hold a lot of interest for me.

Maybe they do need to go back to a quarterly publication.

[awawaw]

[QUOTE=Nick Short]I think they will have to risk upsetting the Australian readership, and expand their definition of what is an Australian Muscle Car beyond "something from Ford or Holden with a V8". I reckon they should push the boat out and include any significant car that raced in Australia, or by Australians, so that would include all sorts of other Bathurst entries, sports racers, maybe even things like Aussie Invader. Otherwise they've painted themselves into a corner by sticking to Falcons and Commodores.

QUOTE]

yep, i agree.

[wayno]

I was watching a documentary I taped a while ago about the land speed record. In it the Aussie Invader guys had some big plans. Does anyone know if this effort is still ongoing or has it fallen by the wayside?

[Buffalo]

I've been pondering this a bit and to be fair IMO the magazine is called Australian Muscle Car Magazine and not Historic Racing Car Magazine ... Therefore whilst we all love reading the historic muscle and racecar stories it is probably fair to say that in reality it should include both old and new "muscle" cars .. now without getting into a huge debate on what a "muscle" car is - I would reckon that a mix of old muscle and new muscle would be fair ... I don;t want to read about Hyundai Sonata's in "Wheels" or "Motor" but am happy reading about new Clubsports, GTP's or even an EVO IX or WRX ( maybe modern muscle - ask your kids what they think ) ... Therefore maybe if I can buy a mag that does both the old and the new then that is a good thing ... I'm going to keep buying it :)

[Nick Short]

For road cars I'd prefer not to see anything that isn't factory, so no boy racer jobs, but a detailed look at offerings from Ford and Holden etc would fit the criteria. Jim Richards' BMW 635, Nissan Skylines, the Porsche 934 that won the 1981 ASCC, the Volvo 242 that won the ATCC - all are significant in Aussie motorsport and should be included, even if they're not from an Aussie manufacturer and don't have big V8s. It might upset a few die-hard V8 fans but then again it might actually educate a few of them that there is a world outside Aussie V8s.....

[Dingo]

It might upset a few die-hard V8 fans but then again it might actually educate a few of them that there is a world outside Aussie V8s.....
Most of them I suspect (and there's more than you'd think) would prefer to remain ignorant...

[Leigh]

For road cars I'd prefer not to see anything that isn't factory
So, for clarification, does that eliminate Cosworth, HDT, HSV, Corsa etc?

To put in modelling terms, the first three are equivalent to Code 2 (i.e. they have the original manufacturers permission).

Corsa (and others) are equivalent to Code 3 (interesting though that the manufacturers don't feel it neccessary to shut them down over Copyright issues...).

Cheers

[Nick Short]

By "factory" I meant official cars - Cosworth (I take it you're referring to the Sierras) RSs were built by Tickford for the Ford factory Group A programme, so were official Ford cars. Same with HSV, the Tickford-built EB GTs etc. Most of the proper homologation cars by any manufacturer were built by outside companies contracted by the factory, and so count as official "factory" models. Trouble is there are a lot of aftermarket companies that will bolt on a body kit and add a few performance parts plus chromed alloys, but that to me isn't an official car. I could spray a Falcon metallic purple and add wheels and engine parts I bought from the local speed shop, but I would hope it wouldn't be the staple of any future AMC, even if it made 1000 horsepower from its 8 turbos.....

[Leigh]

No worries...just clarifying where the line was drawn...

Yes I was referring to the Cosworth Sierra's.

Cheers

[Mark Wicks]

LOL @ Leigh...

Love the Code 3 analogy mate